European Tour Sales = Desaster

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  • Force Of Nature
    Force Of Nature York, England Posts: 1,136
    I dont think any of this will affect where or when they play in Europe again, maybe just a change in process e.g. ticketing system, advanced notice etc
  • kaw753
    kaw753 Posts: 941
    I have a stupid question. The NZ/Aus tour had the second nights added "due to unprecedented demand." Why did they even announce the second nights in Berlin and Barcelona before the first nights sold out? Seems like they could have saved themselves some bad PR by just holding off on those. Clearly, they would not have announced the second night and maybe pivoted by adding a show or two later on to fill in the schedule gaps. It seems like adding a show in the South of France or Zurich is better than playing to a half empty arena on a Monday night in Barcelona. 
  • just_one
    just_one Lisbon Posts: 2,289
    edited March 2024
    kaw753 said:
    I have a stupid question. The NZ/Aus tour had the second nights added "due to unprecedented demand." Why did they even announce the second nights in Berlin and Barcelona before the first nights sold out? Seems like they could have saved themselves some bad PR by just holding off on those. Clearly, they would not have announced the second night and maybe pivoted by adding a show or two later on to fill in the schedule gaps. It seems like adding a show in the South of France or Zurich is better than playing to a half empty arena on a Monday night in Barcelona. 
    who ever is in charge now thought they could sell out both nights with those price tickets, plain and simple.

    i have no doubt that the price tickets in berlin,barcelona and london are the reason its not sold out yet, also annoucing in february and not the usual december didnt help either

    also....after 2022 fuck france!
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  • HailHailVitalogy
    HailHailVitalogy Posts: 6,015
    Yeah in hindsight if they didn’t announce the second nights in Europe they could have had a contingency to add a different city. But there’s no way people in Prague are gonna pay those prices.
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  • drfox
    drfox Posts: 1,482
    Not sure if any line has seen but the Black Keys have just announced a short U.K. tour including a date at the Co-Op Live arena in Manchester. Will be interesting to see how well that sells. Pearl Jam are a much much bigger band than Black Keys in the U.K. so if Black Keys is an instant sell out it sort of confirms the pricing issue. 
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,600
    Two nights over three days gives an extra day for merch sales in each city. Definitely part of the touring model. 
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  • ilockyer
    ilockyer Posts: 2,272
    drfox said:
    Not sure if any line has seen but the Black Keys have just announced a short U.K. tour including a date at the Co-Op Live arena in Manchester. Will be interesting to see how well that sells. Pearl Jam are a much much bigger band than Black Keys in the U.K. so if Black Keys is an instant sell out it sort of confirms the pricing issue. 
    The other 2 dates of which are at the soon to reopen Brixton Academy. Total of 10k across the 2 nights there if capacity isn't reduced as part of the licence conditions. Playing the arena seems an odd choice. 
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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,245
    Same fan base that’ll drop $500 or more on merch without blinking. 
  • DE4173
    DE4173 Posts: 2,888
    nicknyr15 said:
    Same fan base that’ll drop $500 or more on merch without blinking. 


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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,600
    nicknyr15 said:
    Same fan base that’ll drop $500 or more on merch without blinking. 
    After waiting in line for three plus hours to do so.
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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,245
    JimmyV said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Same fan base that’ll drop $500 or more on merch without blinking. 
    After waiting in line for three plus hours to do so.
    Exactly.
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,927
    tino_11 said:
    pdalowsky said:
    Zen23 said:
    I also fear that this is it for Europe for the time being. They're certainly not going to put up with this kind of presale and this kind of shitstorm again in two years' time. I can only see two scenarios for another European tour going well. Reasonable prices, at least in the upper tiers from the start. Or a farewell tour with even higher prices, which the fans don't care about because it will be the last time.
    or hitting the festival circuit
    I wouldn't worry too much. This is a shorter Euro leg than usual and they've certainly hit the resistance mark price wise. I can see them offsetting lower price tickets for regular shows with a few more festival appearances to make future tours work for them. 

    PJ knows that there's a decent size fanbase here with relatively high income, clearly not US level but greater than most parts of the world. They won't want to oversaturate the market in the US, so it makes sense to do Europe, South America etc once in a while.  

    Yes ticket prices stink but,
    Oversaturate the US market?? Most of us in New York have never seen a blue dot msg face value ticket ever, and prices are too high?

    Not only are fans willing to pay the $200 for the ticket, they're paying $500 for airfare and $300 a night for hotel rooms to see them here

    Yet they refuse to play an appropriate number of shows in New York commensurate with their popularity here
  • cottagesteeze
    cottagesteeze St. Paul, MN Posts: 218
    Lerxst1992 said:
    tino_11 said:
    pdalowsky said:
    Zen23 said:
    I also fear that this is it for Europe for the time being. They're certainly not going to put up with this kind of presale and this kind of shitstorm again in two years' time. I can only see two scenarios for another European tour going well. Reasonable prices, at least in the upper tiers from the start. Or a farewell tour with even higher prices, which the fans don't care about because it will be the last time.
    or hitting the festival circuit
    I wouldn't worry too much. This is a shorter Euro leg than usual and they've certainly hit the resistance mark price wise. I can see them offsetting lower price tickets for regular shows with a few more festival appearances to make future tours work for them. 

    PJ knows that there's a decent size fanbase here with relatively high income, clearly not US level but greater than most parts of the world. They won't want to oversaturate the market in the US, so it makes sense to do Europe, South America etc once in a while.  

    Yes ticket prices stink but,
    Oversaturate the US market?? Most of us in New York have never seen a blue dot msg face value ticket ever, and prices are too high?

    Not only are fans willing to pay the $200 for the ticket, they're paying $500 for airfare and $300 a night for hotel rooms to see them here

    Yet they refuse to play an appropriate number of shows in New York commensurate with their popularity here
    What exactly is the "appropriate number of shows"? They don't owe anything to us. This is their job. It doesn't matter how popular they are in a given location, they tour how and where they want. If it's important to a fan, they can either accept to pay the cost of a ticket or not. So much entitlement around here.
  • RatherStarved
    RatherStarved Posts: 5,777
    I mean there are 7 shows within reasonable range of NYC in a 15 day period, and 3 more in 7 more days if you include Indy and Chicago.   
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  • STATEOFLOVE59
    STATEOFLOVE59 Posts: 20
    sales seem to improve a bit in Berlin
  • Zen23
    Zen23 Posts: 492
    Well. Minimal. Still a long way to go.
  • MRMACPHISTO75
    MRMACPHISTO75 Posts: 416
    Tottenham May end up like The Who at Wembley when Eddie supported. Half sold even with Ticketmaster offering 2-1 nearer the time
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  • Zen23
    Zen23 Posts: 492
    What does 2-1 mean?
  • Hawk123
    Hawk123 Posts: 2,368
    Zen23 said:
    What does 2-1 mean?
    Buy one, get one free I’m assuming
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,600
    A twofer
    Two for the price of one
    Buy one get one free
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