European Tour Sales = Desaster

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  • Luckytwn1
    Luckytwn1 Posts: 518
    PJNB said:
    vedpunk said:
    Its only March 1st (or 2nd) and the prices will adjust accordingly.  That’s how this new ticketing system works for better or worse.  
    N2 for Barcelona is not even half sold out. The sections I am showing you here are the best sections available in the 200s right next to Mike. Sec 223, 224, and 225. The section to the left that looks sold out has never been available. The further you go back the worse it is. Some sections have zero tickets sold. 

    On top of that they dropped the price down on the 300's and they are barely moving any of those. They can keep dropping the prices but I think for most people the damage is already done. We are talking close to 10,000 tickets they need to move here. 



    Now Europe may be different because there has not been heavy use of Platinum there previously but in the US, Live Nation has made clear they now see it as a failure if a show sells out too quickly because it means they set the price too low. In 2019, I saw the Who at MSG. On the day of sale, they sold maybe 30-40% of the venue. Three weeks out, at least 1/3 of the venue was still unsold and yet, the night of the show, every seat was full. I paid $300 for 7th row on the floor, those tickets started out at over $1000 and they started to move them more around $600. It’s all about maximizing revenue now. 
  • vedpunk
    vedpunk Posts: 965
    Luckytwn1 said:
    PJNB said:
    vedpunk said:
    Its only March 1st (or 2nd) and the prices will adjust accordingly.  That’s how this new ticketing system works for better or worse.  
    N2 for Barcelona is not even half sold out. The sections I am showing you here are the best sections available in the 200s right next to Mike. Sec 223, 224, and 225. The section to the left that looks sold out has never been available. The further you go back the worse it is. Some sections have zero tickets sold. 

    On top of that they dropped the price down on the 300's and they are barely moving any of those. They can keep dropping the prices but I think for most people the damage is already done. We are talking close to 10,000 tickets they need to move here. 



    Now Europe may be different because there has not been heavy use of Platinum there previously but in the US, Live Nation has made clear they now see it as a failure if a show sells out too quickly because it means they set the price too low. In 2019, I saw the Who at MSG. On the day of sale, they sold maybe 30-40% of the venue. Three weeks out, at least 1/3 of the venue was still unsold and yet, the night of the show, every seat was full. I paid $300 for 7th row on the floor, those tickets started out at over $1000 and they started to move them more around $600. It’s all about maximizing revenue now. 
    Yup
  • Zen23
    Zen23 Posts: 493
    PJNB said:
    vedpunk said:
    Tjm007 said:
    These prices were crazy for Europe - hardly surprising that sales are poor. 
    Give it time….all these shows will sell out or be close to sold out.   
    Not even close to selling out. Wait until fan to fan adds seats back on to the map too. 
    Exactly. Wait and see what the graphic for Tottemham Stadium will look like once the red fansale tickets appear in addition to the thousands of unsold seats. It's like the stadium has measles.
  • danny
    danny Posts: 2,283
    not surprised considering ticket prices
    danny d
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,029
    Stadium -london-expensive-mainly be watching on a screen... Easy pass


    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
  • Tjm007
    Tjm007 Posts: 189
    Zen23 said:
    PJNB said:
    vedpunk said:
    Tjm007 said:
    These prices were crazy for Europe - hardly surprising that sales are poor. 
    Give it time….all these shows will sell out or be close to sold out.   
    Not even close to selling out. Wait until fan to fan adds seats back on to the map too. 
    Exactly. Wait and see what the graphic for Tottemham Stadium will look like once the red fansale tickets appear in addition to the thousands of unsold seats. It's like the stadium has measles.
    Whilst playing to a half empty stadium would be mildly amusing and perhaps send a message - I can imagine one outcome in the future will be PJ skipping London or even Europe on future tours.
  • Zen23
    Zen23 Posts: 493
    edited March 2024
    I've also thought about it before. But it would be a totally stupid consequence. Sounds like insulted toddler behavior to me. The only correct consequence would be to set ticket prices at a reasonable level right from the start. At least for the upper tiers.
    Post edited by Zen23 on
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,029
    Yeah read the room 


    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
  • JABK
    JABK Finland Posts: 361
    lastexitlondon said:
    Yeah read the room 
    Yep...play arenas and festivals in Europe with decent pricing.
  • Gravey1975
    Gravey1975 Posts: 342
    edited March 2024
    Tjm007 said:
    Zen23 said:
    PJNB said:
    vedpunk said:
    Tjm007 said:
    These prices were crazy for Europe - hardly surprising that sales are poor. 
    Give it time….all these shows will sell out or be close to sold out.   
    Not even close to selling out. Wait until fan to fan adds seats back on to the map too. 
    Exactly. Wait and see what the graphic for Tottemham Stadium will look like once the red fansale tickets appear in addition to the thousands of unsold seats. It's like the stadium has measles.
    Whilst playing to a half empty stadium would be mildly amusing and perhaps send a message - I can imagine one outcome in the future will be PJ skipping London or even Europe on future tours.
    Or just play more sensibly sized shows. Even at £160 a ticket, London O2 would have easily sold out by now. Even 2 nights  - as per the rumoured original plan - would probably have almost sold out.
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    vedpunk said:
    Luckytwn1 said:
    PJNB said:
    vedpunk said:
    Its only March 1st (or 2nd) and the prices will adjust accordingly.  That’s how this new ticketing system works for better or worse.  
    N2 for Barcelona is not even half sold out. The sections I am showing you here are the best sections available in the 200s right next to Mike. Sec 223, 224, and 225. The section to the left that looks sold out has never been available. The further you go back the worse it is. Some sections have zero tickets sold. 

    On top of that they dropped the price down on the 300's and they are barely moving any of those. They can keep dropping the prices but I think for most people the damage is already done. We are talking close to 10,000 tickets they need to move here. 



    Now Europe may be different because there has not been heavy use of Platinum there previously but in the US, Live Nation has made clear they now see it as a failure if a show sells out too quickly because it means they set the price too low. In 2019, I saw the Who at MSG. On the day of sale, they sold maybe 30-40% of the venue. Three weeks out, at least 1/3 of the venue was still unsold and yet, the night of the show, every seat was full. I paid $300 for 7th row on the floor, those tickets started out at over $1000 and they started to move them more around $600. It’s all about maximizing revenue now. 
    Yup


    Dropping standard prices for 10,000 seats is not the way they do business. They missed the window with the most eyes looking for tickets.

    Maybe if they had a couple of thousand premium tickets to move then ya I would agree but this is way above that.

    Also it’s interesting they actually lower the standard prices in Europe. With shows like Fresno and Sacramento in 2022 they did not move the lowest price at all. 

    I am going to Barcelona. I am excited for the city and the shows. That said they missed the mark big time here.


  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,259
    Still can’t wait for the shows.. 

    Picked up front standing for London so I’m not too concerned what’s going on behind me….. just excited to see the band again shitty stadium or not
  • drfox
    drfox Posts: 1,505
    JABK said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Yeah read the room 
    Yep...play arenas and festivals in Europe with decent pricing.
    Yep - this is not Pearl Jam’s model but if they did a run of 8 or so arena shows in the U.K. like Kings of Leon are doing or QOTSA did last year (eg in Leeds, Birmingham, Manchester, Glasgow, Nottingham etc) and priced around £100-£120 a ticket they would have sold the entire tour the morning the tickets went on sale. People don’t want to spend £160 for tickets a mile away from the stage in one of the largest football stadiums in a not great area of London. Still looking forward to the shows though despite these issues and pleased I got GA
  • BlueLedbetter
    BlueLedbetter Posts: 1,380
    pdalowsky said:
    Still can’t wait for the shows.. 

    Picked up front standing for London so I’m not too concerned what’s going on behind me….. just excited to see the band again shitty stadium or not
    Front standing makes a massive difference in stadiums I did it for springsteen and it felt like being at a show rather than watching on tv
  • drfox
    drfox Posts: 1,505
    Wonder if they’ll go back to 15-18 date Euro tours after this (hopefully they will not skip us!). I like to think the reason for the high ticket prices is that with the tour being so much shorter than normal they have less shows to spread the cost over (and not just wanting to maximise revenue). Tour length must have something to do with it, how else can QOTSA charge £55 a ticket.
  • JackD.
    JackD. Posts: 523
    drfox said:
    Wonder if they’ll go back to 15-18 date Euro tours after this (hopefully they will not skip us!). I like to think the reason for the high ticket prices is that with the tour being so much shorter than normal they have less shows to spread the cost over (and not just wanting to maximise revenue). Tour length must have something to do with it, how else can QOTSA charge £55 a ticket.
    Easy. QOTSA has a lower fee. People have to stop trying to make reason. If Pearl Jam wouldn‘t ask for a very high fee per show, tickets would be significantly cheaper.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,666
    Luckytwn1 said:
    PJNB said:
    vedpunk said:
    Its only March 1st (or 2nd) and the prices will adjust accordingly.  That’s how this new ticketing system works for better or worse.  
    N2 for Barcelona is not even half sold out. The sections I am showing you here are the best sections available in the 200s right next to Mike. Sec 223, 224, and 225. The section to the left that looks sold out has never been available. The further you go back the worse it is. Some sections have zero tickets sold. 

    On top of that they dropped the price down on the 300's and they are barely moving any of those. They can keep dropping the prices but I think for most people the damage is already done. We are talking close to 10,000 tickets they need to move here. 



    Now Europe may be different because there has not been heavy use of Platinum there previously but in the US, Live Nation has made clear they now see it as a failure if a show sells out too quickly because it means they set the price too low. In 2019, I saw the Who at MSG. On the day of sale, they sold maybe 30-40% of the venue. Three weeks out, at least 1/3 of the venue was still unsold and yet, the night of the show, every seat was full. I paid $300 for 7th row on the floor, those tickets started out at over $1000 and they started to move them more around $600. It’s all about maximizing revenue now. 
    This was my experience with Smashing Pumpkins. For a couple months after the onsale it wasn't even half sold. It was insane. I wondered if they would cancel it or move it. By the show it was 80-90% full. A couple nosebleed sections that were empty in the back but a totally normal arena crowd.
  • kmcmanus
    kmcmanus Posts: 903
    Tjm007 said:
    Zen23 said:
    PJNB said:
    vedpunk said:
    Tjm007 said:
    These prices were crazy for Europe - hardly surprising that sales are poor. 
    Give it time….all these shows will sell out or be close to sold out.   
    Not even close to selling out. Wait until fan to fan adds seats back on to the map too. 
    Exactly. Wait and see what the graphic for Tottemham Stadium will look like once the red fansale tickets appear in addition to the thousands of unsold seats. It's like the stadium has measles.
    Whilst playing to a half empty stadium would be mildly amusing and perhaps send a message - I can imagine one outcome in the future will be PJ skipping London or even Europe on future tours.
    The Who said a year ago that they will likely never tour America again because it’s too expensive and that if there’s even 1 cancellation they’d likely lose money on the tour. And PJ is a band that has had cancellation issues the last 3 years. So I’d expect that this could be more of a possibility than people want to accept. 
    If you don’t like the price certainly don’t pay it, vote with your wallets. But if you vote “no” that may be your final answer. The rhythm section are in thier sixties, none of this will last forever.
  • apirk72
    apirk72 Posts: 506
    JackD. said:
    drfox said:
    Wonder if they’ll go back to 15-18 date Euro tours after this (hopefully they will not skip us!). I like to think the reason for the high ticket prices is that with the tour being so much shorter than normal they have less shows to spread the cost over (and not just wanting to maximise revenue). Tour length must have something to do with it, how else can QOTSA charge £55 a ticket.
    Easy. QOTSA has a lower fee. People have to stop trying to make reason. If Pearl Jam wouldn‘t ask for a very high fee per show, tickets would be significantly cheaper.
    They should have a much higher fee then QOTSA, not an insult to them.   They aren't ever going to do larger tours then these, and if they don't want to they shouldnt have to.  Touring is super expensive and I can't imagine how expensive it would be to tour abroad.  If they played more shows tickets would be cheaper but then you have a band playing shows they really do not want to be playing and that doesn't always end well.
  • drfox
    drfox Posts: 1,505
    apirk72 said:
    JackD. said:
    drfox said:
    Wonder if they’ll go back to 15-18 date Euro tours after this (hopefully they will not skip us!). I like to think the reason for the high ticket prices is that with the tour being so much shorter than normal they have less shows to spread the cost over (and not just wanting to maximise revenue). Tour length must have something to do with it, how else can QOTSA charge £55 a ticket.
    Easy. QOTSA has a lower fee. People have to stop trying to make reason. If Pearl Jam wouldn‘t ask for a very high fee per show, tickets would be significantly cheaper.
    They should have a much higher fee than QOTSA, not an insult to them.   They aren't ever going to do larger tours than these, and if they don't want to they shouldnt have to.  Touring is super expensive and I can't imagine how expensive it would be to tour abroad.  If they played more shows tickets would be cheaper but then you have a band playing shows they really do not want to be playing and that doesn't always end well.
    Overall I think we are all looking forward for the tour. I’m ultra excited about seeing them again despite my slight disappointment in the way the whole thing played out. I do feel lucky that I can do my four shows, they always form such special memories. I feel a bit disappointed for a few people I know though on the various fan groups who are struggling financially to go (some of them missing the tour for the first time in around 30 years). 

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