European Tour Sales = Desaster

Zen23

marumaruko said:

cloudsnmars said:

kaw753 said:

I have a stupid question. The NZ/Aus tour had the second nights added "due to unprecedented demand." Why did they even announce the second nights in Berlin and Barcelona before the first nights sold out? Seems like they could have saved themselves some bad PR by just holding off on those. Clearly, they would not have announced the second night and maybe pivoted by adding a show or two later on to fill in the schedule gaps. It seems like adding a show in the South of France or Zurich is better than playing to a half empty arena on a Monday night in Barcelona. 

Mate, agree re:Zurich,that sold out in under 5 mins for the '22 show... would've done the same for this year I think... ( AC/DC sold out in 20 mins for a Stadium of 55,000 in Zurich for this year ) It's a strange model for this Euro tour,and skipping Italy is baffling also.Hope they make some changes for the next Euro tour,it's kinda sad how this has panned out ( ticket sales I mean)

And at this point I only see the second night in Barcelona at a real danger of being possibly cancelled, all the other shows are selling well enough with 4months left. 

London looks like a disaster to me. 

pdalowsky

Im glad Placebo announced their June show late too as that would have been a direct conflict with Manchester. Been dying to see them lately so I can only hope they add more shows

yorkshirestone

pdalowsky said:

Im glad Placebo announced their June show late too as that would have been a direct conflict with Manchester. Been dying to see them lately so I can only hope they add more shows

Ah man me too - love the piece hall for gigs too. Also a clash with Sheryl crow Halifax and foo fighters Manchester 

drfox

I just wished they spread the timing more of the U.K. and Europe concerts. Literally all the rock and indie bands are touring in a tiny 3 week window at the same time as each other (the last two weeks of June and 1st week of July). Frustratingly you get to say August and there is no competing rock music (eg the major tours are acts like Justin Timberlake in early August etc). Everyone you want to watch is playing the same 2-3 weeks, been like this for years and getting worse. Only takes a minor adjustment to spread the rock concerts over the three Summer months instead of three weeks...

benjs

Eddie's voice can't hold up through a decent-length tour, meaning they make their tours crazy short. Then, presumably seeking the same level of income, they selfishly raise their ticket prices, knowing their rabid fans will typically pay any price, while keeping the mediocre stage and lighting setup. They then overcharge for merchandise, which they shove in the faces of their fans.

It's about time a collective group of people spoke with their wallets. I wish it would've happened while I still loved this band, but I hope you fine folks will reap the benefit and that this forces a correction in the band's management's way of thinking. People don't have unlimited budgets, and selling out a show is not an indication that the pricing was fair, just that there's a disparity in wealth, and enough of the 'haves' can prevent fans from getting in the building.

tino_11

drfox said:

I just wished they spread the timing more of the U.K. and Europe concerts. Literally all the rock and indie bands are touring in a tiny 3 week window at the same time as each other (the last two weeks of June and 1st week of July). Frustratingly you get to say August and there is no competing rock music (eg the major tours are acts like Justin Timberlake in early August etc). Everyone you want to watch is playing the same 2-3 weeks, been like this for years and getting worse. Only takes a minor adjustment to spread the rock concerts over the three Summer months instead of three weeks...

Yeah, so many gigs taking place in UK at that time and being from the North East all involve some travel. Glad I waited for PJ, which always takes priority for me, but I'm a bit disappointed to be missing so many other shows as a result. 

JackD.

just_one said:

marumaruko said:

cloudsnmars said:

kaw753 said:

I have a stupid question. The NZ/Aus tour had the second nights added "due to unprecedented demand." Why did they even announce the second nights in Berlin and Barcelona before the first nights sold out? Seems like they could have saved themselves some bad PR by just holding off on those. Clearly, they would not have announced the second night and maybe pivoted by adding a show or two later on to fill in the schedule gaps. It seems like adding a show in the South of France or Zurich is better than playing to a half empty arena on a Monday night in Barcelona. 

Mate, agree re:Zurich,that sold out in under 5 mins for the '22 show... would've done the same for this year I think... ( AC/DC sold out in 20 mins for a Stadium of 55,000 in Zurich for this year ) It's a strange model for this Euro tour,and skipping Italy is baffling also.Hope they make some changes for the next Euro tour,it's kinda sad how this has panned out ( ticket sales I mean)

Without knowing any more I would assume that this is the first leg and shows take place more centrally. The second leg will then take place in different places, somewhere in France, Copenhagen/Stockholm, Hamburg, Munich(overdue!), Prague, Vienna, Zurich, etc. 

And at this point I only see the second night in Barcelona at a real danger of being possibly cancelled, all the other shows are selling well enough with 4months left. 

i really hope they dont cancel the 2nd barcelona night , a lot of people are travelling with that show in mind and have tickets!!

Can‘t be „a lot“ looking at the seating map! 

johnny__utah

Maybe things aren't totally fine in NA either, but definitely not as bad. See there have been more tickets released for some of the venues, meaning they weren't actually sold out. Looking at Vancouver right now esp night 2 there are a ton of tickets released, all still marked premium but prices are falling. F2F can't be too far off with this activity. 

tino_11

JackD. said:

just_one said:

marumaruko said:

cloudsnmars said:

kaw753 said:

I have a stupid question. The NZ/Aus tour had the second nights added "due to unprecedented demand." Why did they even announce the second nights in Berlin and Barcelona before the first nights sold out? Seems like they could have saved themselves some bad PR by just holding off on those. Clearly, they would not have announced the second night and maybe pivoted by adding a show or two later on to fill in the schedule gaps. It seems like adding a show in the South of France or Zurich is better than playing to a half empty arena on a Monday night in Barcelona. 

Mate, agree re:Zurich,that sold out in under 5 mins for the '22 show... would've done the same for this year I think... ( AC/DC sold out in 20 mins for a Stadium of 55,000 in Zurich for this year ) It's a strange model for this Euro tour,and skipping Italy is baffling also.Hope they make some changes for the next Euro tour,it's kinda sad how this has panned out ( ticket sales I mean)

Without knowing any more I would assume that this is the first leg and shows take place more centrally. The second leg will then take place in different places, somewhere in France, Copenhagen/Stockholm, Hamburg, Munich(overdue!), Prague, Vienna, Zurich, etc. 

And at this point I only see the second night in Barcelona at a real danger of being possibly cancelled, all the other shows are selling well enough with 4months left. 

i really hope they dont cancel the 2nd barcelona night , a lot of people are travelling with that show in mind and have tickets!!

Can‘t be „a lot“ looking at the seating map! 

Haha, I'm keeping positive. The show will go ahead and will be this year's 'Katowice 2000' show!

just_one

tino_11 said:

JackD. said:

just_one said:

marumaruko said:

cloudsnmars said:

kaw753 said:

I have a stupid question. The NZ/Aus tour had the second nights added "due to unprecedented demand." Why did they even announce the second nights in Berlin and Barcelona before the first nights sold out? Seems like they could have saved themselves some bad PR by just holding off on those. Clearly, they would not have announced the second night and maybe pivoted by adding a show or two later on to fill in the schedule gaps. It seems like adding a show in the South of France or Zurich is better than playing to a half empty arena on a Monday night in Barcelona. 

Mate, agree re:Zurich,that sold out in under 5 mins for the '22 show... would've done the same for this year I think... ( AC/DC sold out in 20 mins for a Stadium of 55,000 in Zurich for this year ) It's a strange model for this Euro tour,and skipping Italy is baffling also.Hope they make some changes for the next Euro tour,it's kinda sad how this has panned out ( ticket sales I mean)

Without knowing any more I would assume that this is the first leg and shows take place more centrally. The second leg will then take place in different places, somewhere in France, Copenhagen/Stockholm, Hamburg, Munich(overdue!), Prague, Vienna, Zurich, etc. 

And at this point I only see the second night in Barcelona at a real danger of being possibly cancelled, all the other shows are selling well enough with 4months left. 

i really hope they dont cancel the 2nd barcelona night , a lot of people are travelling with that show in mind and have tickets!!

Can‘t be „a lot“ looking at the seating map! 

Haha, I'm keeping positive. The show will go ahead and will be this year's 'Katowice 2000' show!

that is exactly what im thinking aswell

Zen23

Seriously. I wish all ticket holders in Barcelona nothing but the best. But honestly, what scenarios await us in the coming weeks and months? There is virtually no movement in ticket sales. What do you think are the most likely scenarios? Another drastic reduction in the ticket price? Possible cancellation of one of the two concerts? Something completely different?

RatherStarved

johnny__utah said:

Maybe things aren't totally fine in NA either, but definitely not as bad. See there have been more tickets released for some of the venues, meaning they weren't actually sold out. Looking at Vancouver right now esp night 2 there are a ton of tickets released, all still marked premium but prices are falling. F2F can't be too far off with this activity. 

NA is following the usual trend of tickets being relatively easy to get in the west and very difficult in the east.  

just_one

Zen23 said:

Seriously. I wish all ticket holders in Barcelona nothing but the best. But honestly, what scenarios await us in the coming weeks and months? There is virtually no movement in ticket sales. What do you think are the most likely scenarios? Another drastic reduction in the ticket price? Possible cancellation of one of the two concerts? Something completely different?

they better play the shows dammit. just give us a b-side setlist since only hardcore fans will be there like katowice 2000.

BloodMeridian80

This thread gives me an ‘in line at the airport’ vibe

just_one

BloodMeridian80 said:

This thread gives me an ‘in line at the airport’ vibe

what do u mean?

stones

I'm guessing the new album will give them additional media exposure and sell a few tickets.

mace1229

This thread got me thinking. If Europeans are not used to higher prices and tickets are not selling, why doesn't PJ just tour the states more? It's got to cost a lot more to tour over seas, and for less money. It seems like with every tour, South America or Europe gets more shows than NA. I always just assumed they made more doing it, but apparently not. 

Ryan

mace1229 said:

This thread got me thinking. If Europeans are not used to higher prices and tickets are not selling, why doesn't PJ just tour the states more? It's got to cost a lot more to tour over seas, and for less money. It seems like with every tour, South America or Europe gets more shows than NA. I always just assumed they made more doing it, but apparently not. 

It seems like PJ is trying a different touring model this year (and 2023) than they had in the past - more days off, more two-night stands in a city, and fewer festivals.  

They may very well find out that this isn’t working, and for future tours go back to more festivals in EU, like in the past.  If I recall most EU tours since 2007 and onwards have been anchored by at least four festival dates, 2024 only has two festivals.  

drfox

mace1229 said:

This thread got me thinking. If Europeans are not used to higher prices and tickets are not selling, why doesn't PJ just tour the states more? It's got to cost a lot more to tour over seas, and for less money. It seems like with every tour, South America or Europe gets more shows than NA. I always just assumed they made more doing it, but apparently not. 

This makes no sense. North America always gets significantly more shows than Europe and South America. We get so few shows in Europe in comparison. Eg 2 per tour in U.K. for a country of 70 million and 2 per tour in Germany for a county of 85 million is not that many. By extrapolation to 330 million US population that’s basically 9 US shows per tour. US get significantly more than that. 

I agree though there’s a risk they will tour here less if they think they can sell more tickets in the US at the prices they are after 

vedpunk

Better buy up those tickets or Europe will be a thing of the past 🥲