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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,170
    FUCK THAT. ALL OF THEM. CHARGE AND TRY EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM.
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  • josevolution
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    mickeyrat said:
    FUCK THAT. ALL OF THEM. CHARGE AND TRY EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM.
    Yep that’s the only way! No one should get a slap on their hands..
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,765
    josevolution said:
    mickeyrat said:
    FUCK THAT. ALL OF THEM. CHARGE AND TRY EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM.
    Yep that’s the only way! No one should get a slap on their hands..

    Agreed!

    And let's face it, an argument could be made that these people are going to get off easy.  The maximum penalty is 20 years imprisonment.  In many countries, conspiring to overthrow one's government would carry a much, much more severe punishment. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,083
    mickeyrat said:
    FUCK THAT. ALL OF THEM. CHARGE AND TRY EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM.
    With at least trespassing and failure to disperse. 200 hours of community service in an underserved DC neighborhood, one year’s probation and a $500 fine seems appropriate for those “just there.”
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    This is fucking nuts. 

  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,682
    Planning event? Starring the idiot offspring and Tommy Tuberville.

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,966
    OnWis97 said:
    Planning event? Starring the idiot offspring and Tommy Tuberville.

    https://sethabramson.substack.com/p/january-5-meeting-at-trump-international
    While I don't doubt the culpability of these idiots,  this seems all very circumstantial. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,966
    Haha, snitch!  Wonder how this will go down in the PB community?

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  • dankind
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    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Planning event? Starring the idiot offspring and Tommy Tuberville.

    https://sethabramson.substack.com/p/january-5-meeting-at-trump-international
    While I don't doubt the culpability of these idiots,  this seems all very circumstantial. 
    Circumstantial enough to warrant a thorough investigation!
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  • stuckinline
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    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2nd-dc-officer-who-responded-to-capitol-insurrection-dies-by-suicide-chief-says_n_60119c8bc5b67848ee7d4dfc
  • brianlux
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    stuckinline said:
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2nd-dc-officer-who-responded-to-capitol-insurrection-dies-by-suicide-chief-says_n_60119c8bc5b67848ee7d4dfc

    Tragic.  The impact of the insurrection is far reaching.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Anyone else think that the cops who killed themselves might have been on the inside facilitating the violent overthrow of congress and knew it was just a matter of time before the FBI came knocking?
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,997
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Anyone else think that the cops who killed themselves might have been on the inside facilitating the violent overthrow of congress and knew it was just a matter of time before the FBI came knocking?
    that's a pretty big stretch at this point. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Anyone else think that the cops who killed themselves might have been on the inside facilitating the violent overthrow of congress and knew it was just a matter of time before the FBI came knocking?
    that's a pretty big stretch at this point. 
    Why? It’s been reported that there was coordination amongst the insurrectionists, communications indicate they had a level of knowledge of where to go and how to get there, they were able to flash badges and be allowed in and there’s pictures of them taking selfies with insurrectionists. I’m not sure if you’ve been in the capitol but beyond the public areas, there are a bevy and warren of hidden rooms, corridors and tunnels, some of them 3 stories down and part of the original Capitol (think arched brick and narrow) where the folks who service the cafeterias and conference rooms and such move unseen (catering, furniture movement, mail, auxiliary services, etc.). Many of the stairs, doors, etc aren’t marked. Very easy to get lost in.
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  • mrussel1
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Anyone else think that the cops who killed themselves might have been on the inside facilitating the violent overthrow of congress and knew it was just a matter of time before the FBI came knocking?
    that's a pretty big stretch at this point. 
    Why? It’s been reported that there was coordination amongst the insurrectionists, communications indicate they had a level of knowledge of where to go and how to get there, they were able to flash badges and be allowed in and there’s pictures of them taking selfies with insurrectionists. I’m not sure if you’ve been in the capitol but beyond the public areas, there are a bevy and warren of hidden rooms, corridors and tunnels, some of them 3 stories down and part of the original Capitol (think arched brick and narrow) where the folks who service the cafeterias and conference rooms and such move unseen (catering, furniture movement, mail, auxiliary services, etc.). Many of the stairs, doors, etc aren’t marked. Very easy to get lost in.
    To think that someone committed suicide because they were part of the 'plot' seems to be the stretch.  
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mrussel1 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Anyone else think that the cops who killed themselves might have been on the inside facilitating the violent overthrow of congress and knew it was just a matter of time before the FBI came knocking?
    that's a pretty big stretch at this point. 
    Why? It’s been reported that there was coordination amongst the insurrectionists, communications indicate they had a level of knowledge of where to go and how to get there, they were able to flash badges and be allowed in and there’s pictures of them taking selfies with insurrectionists. I’m not sure if you’ve been in the capitol but beyond the public areas, there are a bevy and warren of hidden rooms, corridors and tunnels, some of them 3 stories down and part of the original Capitol (think arched brick and narrow) where the folks who service the cafeterias and conference rooms and such move unseen (catering, furniture movement, mail, auxiliary services, etc.). Many of the stairs, doors, etc aren’t marked. Very easy to get lost in.
    To think that someone committed suicide because they were part of the 'plot' seems to be the stretch.  

    I have no idea if this particular officer was involved in any "plotting", but given that many people have already lost jobs and have had their names, faces and backgrounds splashed all over the media outlets leading to widespread ridicule for their involvement in the riots, I don't view it as a stretch that the prospect could lead someone to commit suicide. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,997
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Anyone else think that the cops who killed themselves might have been on the inside facilitating the violent overthrow of congress and knew it was just a matter of time before the FBI came knocking?
    that's a pretty big stretch at this point. 
    Why? It’s been reported that there was coordination amongst the insurrectionists, communications indicate they had a level of knowledge of where to go and how to get there, they were able to flash badges and be allowed in and there’s pictures of them taking selfies with insurrectionists. I’m not sure if you’ve been in the capitol but beyond the public areas, there are a bevy and warren of hidden rooms, corridors and tunnels, some of them 3 stories down and part of the original Capitol (think arched brick and narrow) where the folks who service the cafeterias and conference rooms and such move unseen (catering, furniture movement, mail, auxiliary services, etc.). Many of the stairs, doors, etc aren’t marked. Very easy to get lost in.
    because i'm just not a fan of accusing someone who just committed suicide of treason with nothing but conjecture, that's why. 
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  • mrussel1
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    oftenreading said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Anyone else think that the cops who killed themselves might have been on the inside facilitating the violent overthrow of congress and knew it was just a matter of time before the FBI came knocking?
    that's a pretty big stretch at this point. 
    Why? It’s been reported that there was coordination amongst the insurrectionists, communications indicate they had a level of knowledge of where to go and how to get there, they were able to flash badges and be allowed in and there’s pictures of them taking selfies with insurrectionists. I’m not sure if you’ve been in the capitol but beyond the public areas, there are a bevy and warren of hidden rooms, corridors and tunnels, some of them 3 stories down and part of the original Capitol (think arched brick and narrow) where the folks who service the cafeterias and conference rooms and such move unseen (catering, furniture movement, mail, auxiliary services, etc.). Many of the stairs, doors, etc aren’t marked. Very easy to get lost in.
    To think that someone committed suicide because they were part of the 'plot' seems to be the stretch.  

    I have no idea if this particular officer was involved in any "plotting", but given that many people have already lost jobs and have had their names, faces and backgrounds splashed all over the media outlets leading to widespread ridicule for their involvement in the riots, I don't view it as a stretch that the prospect could lead someone to commit suicide. 
    But he did not storm the capital, he was a cop there.  I hear what you are saying, and I'm not saying anything is impossible.  But I agree with Hugh that it feels like a stretch and a tad irresponsible in the statement. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Anyone else think that the cops who killed themselves might have been on the inside facilitating the violent overthrow of congress and knew it was just a matter of time before the FBI came knocking?
    that's a pretty big stretch at this point. 
    Why? It’s been reported that there was coordination amongst the insurrectionists, communications indicate they had a level of knowledge of where to go and how to get there, they were able to flash badges and be allowed in and there’s pictures of them taking selfies with insurrectionists. I’m not sure if you’ve been in the capitol but beyond the public areas, there are a bevy and warren of hidden rooms, corridors and tunnels, some of them 3 stories down and part of the original Capitol (think arched brick and narrow) where the folks who service the cafeterias and conference rooms and such move unseen (catering, furniture movement, mail, auxiliary services, etc.). Many of the stairs, doors, etc aren’t marked. Very easy to get lost in.
    because i'm just not a fan of accusing someone who just committed suicide of treason with nothing but conjecture, that's why. 
    There's a body of circumstantial evidence that's been reported and an AG stating that there are serious charges of sedition before a grand jury, in the hundreds. Yea, maybe I'll just chalk it up to the fact that a certain number of cops commit suicide every year. And I'm not dismissing that nor making light of it. Hopefully, there will be a full investigation and report, inclusive of those who committed suicide and whether they were involved or not.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mrussel1 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Anyone else think that the cops who killed themselves might have been on the inside facilitating the violent overthrow of congress and knew it was just a matter of time before the FBI came knocking?
    that's a pretty big stretch at this point. 
    Why? It’s been reported that there was coordination amongst the insurrectionists, communications indicate they had a level of knowledge of where to go and how to get there, they were able to flash badges and be allowed in and there’s pictures of them taking selfies with insurrectionists. I’m not sure if you’ve been in the capitol but beyond the public areas, there are a bevy and warren of hidden rooms, corridors and tunnels, some of them 3 stories down and part of the original Capitol (think arched brick and narrow) where the folks who service the cafeterias and conference rooms and such move unseen (catering, furniture movement, mail, auxiliary services, etc.). Many of the stairs, doors, etc aren’t marked. Very easy to get lost in.
    To think that someone committed suicide because they were part of the 'plot' seems to be the stretch.  

    I have no idea if this particular officer was involved in any "plotting", but given that many people have already lost jobs and have had their names, faces and backgrounds splashed all over the media outlets leading to widespread ridicule for their involvement in the riots, I don't view it as a stretch that the prospect could lead someone to commit suicide. 
    But he did not storm the capital, he was a cop there.  I hear what you are saying, and I'm not saying anything is impossible.  But I agree with Hugh that it feels like a stretch and a tad irresponsible in the statement. 

    That's not what you said in the post I was replying to. You said: "To think that someone committed suicide because they were part of the 'plot' seems to be the stretch", and that's what I disagree with - I think it's quite possible that someone would commit suicide because they knew it would be discovered that they were part of the "plot".

    I'm not arguing at all that this officer was. 

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