Capitol Hill Riots

mickeyrat

 https://billmoyers.com/story/insurrection-timeline-first-the-coup-and-then-the-cover-up-updated/

mrussel1

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Anyone else think that the cops who killed themselves might have been on the inside facilitating the violent overthrow of congress and knew it was just a matter of time before the FBI came knocking?

that's a pretty big stretch at this point. 

Why? It’s been reported that there was coordination amongst the insurrectionists, communications indicate they had a level of knowledge of where to go and how to get there, they were able to flash badges and be allowed in and there’s pictures of them taking selfies with insurrectionists. I’m not sure if you’ve been in the capitol but beyond the public areas, there are a bevy and warren of hidden rooms, corridors and tunnels, some of them 3 stories down and part of the original Capitol (think arched brick and narrow) where the folks who service the cafeterias and conference rooms and such move unseen (catering, furniture movement, mail, auxiliary services, etc.). Many of the stairs, doors, etc aren’t marked. Very easy to get lost in.

To think that someone committed suicide because they were part of the 'plot' seems to be the stretch.  

I have no idea if this particular officer was involved in any "plotting", but given that many people have already lost jobs and have had their names, faces and backgrounds splashed all over the media outlets leading to widespread ridicule for their involvement in the riots, I don't view it as a stretch that the prospect could lead someone to commit suicide. 

But he did not storm the capital, he was a cop there.  I hear what you are saying, and I'm not saying anything is impossible.  But I agree with Hugh that it feels like a stretch and a tad irresponsible in the statement. 

That's not what you said in the post I was replying to. You said: "To think that someone committed suicide because they were part of the 'plot' seems to be the stretch", and that's what I disagree with - I think it's quite possible that someone would commit suicide because they knew it would be discovered that they were part of the "plot".

I'm not arguing at all that this officer was. 

Sorry, I skipped the part that I thought was known.  He was a metro police officer who responded to the assault  So for H2M to be right (in his conjecture), he would have been part of the plot and worried about getting arrested, so he committed suicide. I feel like while possible, a stretch.

mickeyrat

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Anyone else think that the cops who killed themselves might have been on the inside facilitating the violent overthrow of congress and knew it was just a matter of time before the FBI came knocking?

that's a pretty big stretch at this point. 

Why? It’s been reported that there was coordination amongst the insurrectionists, communications indicate they had a level of knowledge of where to go and how to get there, they were able to flash badges and be allowed in and there’s pictures of them taking selfies with insurrectionists. I’m not sure if you’ve been in the capitol but beyond the public areas, there are a bevy and warren of hidden rooms, corridors and tunnels, some of them 3 stories down and part of the original Capitol (think arched brick and narrow) where the folks who service the cafeterias and conference rooms and such move unseen (catering, furniture movement, mail, auxiliary services, etc.). Many of the stairs, doors, etc aren’t marked. Very easy to get lost in.

To think that someone committed suicide because they were part of the 'plot' seems to be the stretch.  

I have no idea if this particular officer was involved in any "plotting", but given that many people have already lost jobs and have had their names, faces and backgrounds splashed all over the media outlets leading to widespread ridicule for their involvement in the riots, I don't view it as a stretch that the prospect could lead someone to commit suicide. 

But he did not storm the capital, he was a cop there.  I hear what you are saying, and I'm not saying anything is impossible.  But I agree with Hugh that it feels like a stretch and a tad irresponsible in the statement. 

That's not what you said in the post I was replying to. You said: "To think that someone committed suicide because they were part of the 'plot' seems to be the stretch", and that's what I disagree with - I think it's quite possible that someone would commit suicide because they knew it would be discovered that they were part of the "plot".

I'm not arguing at all that this officer was. 

Sorry, I skipped the part that I thought was known.  He was a metro police officer who responded to the assault  So for H2M to be right (in his conjecture), he would have been part of the plot and worried about getting arrested, so he committed suicide. I feel like while possible, a stretch.

big stretch.

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Anyone else think that the cops who killed themselves might have been on the inside facilitating the violent overthrow of congress and knew it was just a matter of time before the FBI came knocking?

that's a pretty big stretch at this point. 

Why? It’s been reported that there was coordination amongst the insurrectionists, communications indicate they had a level of knowledge of where to go and how to get there, they were able to flash badges and be allowed in and there’s pictures of them taking selfies with insurrectionists. I’m not sure if you’ve been in the capitol but beyond the public areas, there are a bevy and warren of hidden rooms, corridors and tunnels, some of them 3 stories down and part of the original Capitol (think arched brick and narrow) where the folks who service the cafeterias and conference rooms and such move unseen (catering, furniture movement, mail, auxiliary services, etc.). Many of the stairs, doors, etc aren’t marked. Very easy to get lost in.

To think that someone committed suicide because they were part of the 'plot' seems to be the stretch.  

I have no idea if this particular officer was involved in any "plotting", but given that many people have already lost jobs and have had their names, faces and backgrounds splashed all over the media outlets leading to widespread ridicule for their involvement in the riots, I don't view it as a stretch that the prospect could lead someone to commit suicide. 

But he did not storm the capital, he was a cop there.  I hear what you are saying, and I'm not saying anything is impossible.  But I agree with Hugh that it feels like a stretch and a tad irresponsible in the statement. 

That's not what you said in the post I was replying to. You said: "To think that someone committed suicide because they were part of the 'plot' seems to be the stretch", and that's what I disagree with - I think it's quite possible that someone would commit suicide because they knew it would be discovered that they were part of the "plot".

I'm not arguing at all that this officer was. 

Sorry, I skipped the part that I thought was known.  He was a metro police officer who responded to the assault  So for H2M to be right (in his conjecture), he would have been part of the plot and worried about getting arrested, so he committed suicide. I feel like while possible, a stretch.

I didn't say i was "right," in your conjecture. I asked if anyone thought it was possible. Its not like its unknown that law enforcement and military folks are white supremacists or that members of law enforcement are being investigated for a potential role. Big stretch, sure. Just like the existence of a PTAPE is a big stretch, knowing what we do of POOTWH proclivities and past behavior.

mrussel1

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Anyone else think that the cops who killed themselves might have been on the inside facilitating the violent overthrow of congress and knew it was just a matter of time before the FBI came knocking?

that's a pretty big stretch at this point. 

Why? It’s been reported that there was coordination amongst the insurrectionists, communications indicate they had a level of knowledge of where to go and how to get there, they were able to flash badges and be allowed in and there’s pictures of them taking selfies with insurrectionists. I’m not sure if you’ve been in the capitol but beyond the public areas, there are a bevy and warren of hidden rooms, corridors and tunnels, some of them 3 stories down and part of the original Capitol (think arched brick and narrow) where the folks who service the cafeterias and conference rooms and such move unseen (catering, furniture movement, mail, auxiliary services, etc.). Many of the stairs, doors, etc aren’t marked. Very easy to get lost in.

To think that someone committed suicide because they were part of the 'plot' seems to be the stretch.  

I have no idea if this particular officer was involved in any "plotting", but given that many people have already lost jobs and have had their names, faces and backgrounds splashed all over the media outlets leading to widespread ridicule for their involvement in the riots, I don't view it as a stretch that the prospect could lead someone to commit suicide. 

But he did not storm the capital, he was a cop there.  I hear what you are saying, and I'm not saying anything is impossible.  But I agree with Hugh that it feels like a stretch and a tad irresponsible in the statement. 

That's not what you said in the post I was replying to. You said: "To think that someone committed suicide because they were part of the 'plot' seems to be the stretch", and that's what I disagree with - I think it's quite possible that someone would commit suicide because they knew it would be discovered that they were part of the "plot".

I'm not arguing at all that this officer was. 

Sorry, I skipped the part that I thought was known.  He was a metro police officer who responded to the assault  So for H2M to be right (in his conjecture), he would have been part of the plot and worried about getting arrested, so he committed suicide. I feel like while possible, a stretch.

I didn't say i was "right," in your conjecture. I asked if anyone thought it was possible. Its not like its unknown that law enforcement and military folks are white supremacists or that members of law enforcement are being investigated for a potential role. Big stretch, sure. Just like the existence of a PTAPE is a big stretch, knowing what we do of POOTWH proclivities and past behavior.

Fair enough.  I'd say even odds on the ptape, 20-1 on this issue. 

gimmesometruth27

i saw that manbearpigshaman is looking at 28 years in federal prison.

good.

Gern Blansten

gimmesometruth27 said:

i saw that manbearpigshaman is looking at 28 years in federal prison.

good.

That might be a bit excessive but I haven't reviewed exactly what he did.

He certainly thought a lot of himself.  He reminds me of this idiot in my dorm in college that told us his name was "Zeus".  My guess is he made that nickname up to reinvent himself.  

HughFreakingDillon

k, the word "stretch" might have been misused. I'll just say I don't think it's appropriate. 

HughFreakingDillon

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Anyone else think that the cops who killed themselves might have been on the inside facilitating the violent overthrow of congress and knew it was just a matter of time before the FBI came knocking?

that's a pretty big stretch at this point. 

Why? It’s been reported that there was coordination amongst the insurrectionists, communications indicate they had a level of knowledge of where to go and how to get there, they were able to flash badges and be allowed in and there’s pictures of them taking selfies with insurrectionists. I’m not sure if you’ve been in the capitol but beyond the public areas, there are a bevy and warren of hidden rooms, corridors and tunnels, some of them 3 stories down and part of the original Capitol (think arched brick and narrow) where the folks who service the cafeterias and conference rooms and such move unseen (catering, furniture movement, mail, auxiliary services, etc.). Many of the stairs, doors, etc aren’t marked. Very easy to get lost in.

because i'm just not a fan of accusing someone who just committed suicide of treason with nothing but conjecture, that's why. 

There's a body of circumstantial evidence that's been reported and an AG stating that there are serious charges of sedition before a grand jury, in the hundreds. Yea, maybe I'll just chalk it up to the fact that a certain number of cops commit suicide every year. And I'm not dismissing that nor making light of it. Hopefully, there will be a full investigation and report, inclusive of those who committed suicide and whether they were involved or not.

sometimes it's just best to keep our thoughts to ourselves for a while. 

mickeyrat

Gern Blansten said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i saw that manbearpigshaman is looking at 28 years in federal prison.

good.

That might be a bit excessive but I haven't reviewed exactly what he did.

He certainly thought a lot of himself.  He reminds me of this idiot in my dorm in college that told us his name was "Zeus".  My guess is he made that nickname up to reinvent himself.  

wrote a threatening note to pence on the dias desk.

mrussel1

Gern Blansten said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i saw that manbearpigshaman is looking at 28 years in federal prison.

good.

That might be a bit excessive but I haven't reviewed exactly what he did.

He certainly thought a lot of himself.  He reminds me of this idiot in my dorm in college that told us his name was "Zeus".  My guess is he made that nickname up to reinvent himself.  

Zeus??  Ha!  That's like someone named Gordon calling themselves "Sting". 

Merkin Baller

The silence from the Blue Lives Matter crowd these last few weeks has been deafening.

Halifax2TheMax

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Anyone else think that the cops who killed themselves might have been on the inside facilitating the violent overthrow of congress and knew it was just a matter of time before the FBI came knocking?

that's a pretty big stretch at this point. 

Why? It’s been reported that there was coordination amongst the insurrectionists, communications indicate they had a level of knowledge of where to go and how to get there, they were able to flash badges and be allowed in and there’s pictures of them taking selfies with insurrectionists. I’m not sure if you’ve been in the capitol but beyond the public areas, there are a bevy and warren of hidden rooms, corridors and tunnels, some of them 3 stories down and part of the original Capitol (think arched brick and narrow) where the folks who service the cafeterias and conference rooms and such move unseen (catering, furniture movement, mail, auxiliary services, etc.). Many of the stairs, doors, etc aren’t marked. Very easy to get lost in.

because i'm just not a fan of accusing someone who just committed suicide of treason with nothing but conjecture, that's why. 

There's a body of circumstantial evidence that's been reported and an AG stating that there are serious charges of sedition before a grand jury, in the hundreds. Yea, maybe I'll just chalk it up to the fact that a certain number of cops commit suicide every year. And I'm not dismissing that nor making light of it. Hopefully, there will be a full investigation and report, inclusive of those who committed suicide and whether they were involved or not.

sometimes it's just best to keep our thoughts to ourselves for a while. 

Practice what you preach?

HughFreakingDillon

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Anyone else think that the cops who killed themselves might have been on the inside facilitating the violent overthrow of congress and knew it was just a matter of time before the FBI came knocking?

that's a pretty big stretch at this point. 

Why? It’s been reported that there was coordination amongst the insurrectionists, communications indicate they had a level of knowledge of where to go and how to get there, they were able to flash badges and be allowed in and there’s pictures of them taking selfies with insurrectionists. I’m not sure if you’ve been in the capitol but beyond the public areas, there are a bevy and warren of hidden rooms, corridors and tunnels, some of them 3 stories down and part of the original Capitol (think arched brick and narrow) where the folks who service the cafeterias and conference rooms and such move unseen (catering, furniture movement, mail, auxiliary services, etc.). Many of the stairs, doors, etc aren’t marked. Very easy to get lost in.

because i'm just not a fan of accusing someone who just committed suicide of treason with nothing but conjecture, that's why. 

There's a body of circumstantial evidence that's been reported and an AG stating that there are serious charges of sedition before a grand jury, in the hundreds. Yea, maybe I'll just chalk it up to the fact that a certain number of cops commit suicide every year. And I'm not dismissing that nor making light of it. Hopefully, there will be a full investigation and report, inclusive of those who committed suicide and whether they were involved or not.

sometimes it's just best to keep our thoughts to ourselves for a while. 

Practice what you preach?

i did. i had the same thought, but thought better of expressing it this early. 

Gern Blansten

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i saw that manbearpigshaman is looking at 28 years in federal prison.

good.

That might be a bit excessive but I haven't reviewed exactly what he did.

He certainly thought a lot of himself.  He reminds me of this idiot in my dorm in college that told us his name was "Zeus".  My guess is he made that nickname up to reinvent himself.  

Zeus??  Ha!  That's like someone named Gordon calling themselves "Sting". 

I give him credit for having a full bar in his dorm room.  And I mean he sold beverages at the bar.  

That lasted about a week but still...

mrussel1

Gern Blansten said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i saw that manbearpigshaman is looking at 28 years in federal prison.

good.

That might be a bit excessive but I haven't reviewed exactly what he did.

He certainly thought a lot of himself.  He reminds me of this idiot in my dorm in college that told us his name was "Zeus".  My guess is he made that nickname up to reinvent himself.  

Zeus??  Ha!  That's like someone named Gordon calling themselves "Sting". 

I give him credit for having a full bar in his dorm room.  And I mean he sold beverages at the bar.  

That lasted about a week but still...

helluva week.

Pap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1tgg-6dD8Q

mace1229

Merkin Baller said:

The silence from the Blue Lives Matter crowd these last few weeks has been deafening.

Because essentially everyone condemns the riot. I have yet to personally hear a single person say this was the right thing to do. Sure, I've heard a few people say a friend of a friend of a friend said so maybe, but the overwhelming majority of the country knows this riot was wrong. Therefore I don't see a reason to speak out for Blue LM. Blue LM has always been, from my understanding and experience, a response to people targeting cops. This riot wasn't about targeting the police nor does anyone support the violence that happened here. Now if you hear people chanting they should have killed more cops so they can enter the capitol, that'd be a different story. 

mace1229

Gern Blansten said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i saw that manbearpigshaman is looking at 28 years in federal prison.

good.

That might be a bit excessive but I haven't reviewed exactly what he did.

He certainly thought a lot of himself.  He reminds me of this idiot in my dorm in college that told us his name was "Zeus".  My guess is he made that nickname up to reinvent himself.  

Probably just a huge fan of Samuel L Jackson in Die Hard 3.

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

The silence from the Blue Lives Matter crowd these last few weeks has been deafening.

Because essentially everyone condemns the riot. I have yet to personally hear a single person say this was the right thing to do. Sure, I've heard a few people say a friend of a friend of a friend said so maybe, but the overwhelming majority of the country knows this riot was wrong. Therefore I don't see a reason to speak out for Blue LM. Blue LM has always been, from my understanding and experience, a response to people targeting cops. This riot wasn't about targeting the police nor does anyone support the violence that happened here. Now if you hear people chanting they should have killed more cops so they can enter the capitol, that'd be a different story. 

Can you link us to the condemnation from the repubs, repub party and POOTWH, please. I haven't seen much. Links to quotes would be appreciated. Did POOTWH visit the families of the fallen or any of the injured? I haven't heard that he did. Like everything else, use 'em and abuse 'em. I guess getting hit in the head with a fire extinguisher and beaten to death isn't "targeting cops?" Or crushing a cop up against a door frame and purposely closing his face shield repeatedly, making it more difficult for him to breathe, wasn't "targeting a cop?" Or ramming a fence wicket through a cops arm wasn't "targeting a cop?" Guess their uniforms and badges didn't matter and they were just in the way?Good lord.