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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 26,021
    personally, AOC's account to me sounds terrifying. given the known hatred of her by the extreme right, she was right in her fear for her life. 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 39,700
    PJNB said:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/doj-capitol-rioters-charges-debate/2021/01/23/3b0cf112-5d97-11eb-8bcf-3877871c819d_story.html

    Federal officials estimate that roughly 800 people surged into the building, though they caution that such numbers are imprecise, and the real figure could be 100 people or more in either direction.
    Can you post the article.  I tried to get access and won't let me.
    Jan. 23, 2021 at 2:21 p.m. AST

    Federal law enforcement officials are privately debating whether they should decline to charge some of the individuals who stormed the U.S. Capitol this month — a politically loaded proposition but one alert to the practical concern that hundreds of such cases could swamp the local courthouse.

    The internal discussions are in their early stages, and no decisions have been reached about whether to forgo charging some of those who illegally entered the Capitol on Jan. 6, according to multiple people familiar with the discussions.

    Justice Department officials have promised a relentless effort to identify and arrest those who stormed the Capitol that day, but internally there is robust back-and-forth about whether charging them all is the best course of action. That debate comes at a time when officials are keenly sensitive that the credibility of the Justice Department and the FBI are at stake in such decisions, given the apparent security and intelligence failures that preceded the riot, these people said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss legal deliberations.

    Federal officials estimate that roughly 800 people surged into the building, though they caution that such numbers are imprecise, and the real figure could be 100 people or more in either direction.

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    41 minutes of fear: A video timeline from inside the Capitol siege
    The Post obtained hours of video footage, some exclusively, and placed it within a digital 3-D model of the building. (TWP)
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    Among those roughly 800 people, FBI agents and prosecutors have so far seen a broad mix of behavior — from people dressed for military battle, moving in formation, to wanton vandalism, to simply going with the crowd into the building.

    Due to the wide variety of behavior, some federal officials have argued internally that those people who are known only to have committed unlawful entry — and were not engaged in violent, threatening or destructive behavior — should not be charged, according to people familiar with the discussions.

    Psaki says administration will take action against ‘domestic violent extremism’ after Capitol riot
    White House press secretary Jen Psaki on Jan. 22 announced the National Security Council will build new capability to focus on domestic extremism. (The Washington Post)

    Other agents and prosecutors have pushed back against that suggestion, arguing that it is important to send a forceful message that the kind of political violence and mayhem on display Jan. 6 needs to be punished to the full extent of the law, so as to discourage similar conduct in the future.

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    There are a host of other factors complicating the discussions, many of which center not around the politics of the riot, but the real-world work of investigators and prosecutors, these people said.

    The Justice Department has already charged more than 135 individuals with committing crimes in or around the Capitol building, and many more are expected to be charged in the coming weeks and months. By mid-January, the FBI had already received more than 200,000 tips from the public about the riot, in addition to news footage and police officer testimony.

    “There is absolute resolve from the Department of Justice to hold all who intentionally engaged in criminal acts at the Capitol accountable,” Justice Department spokesman Marc Raimondi said in an email. “We have consistently made clear that we will follow the facts and evidence and charge individuals accordingly. We remain confident that the U.S. District Court for Washington, DC can appropriately handle the docket related to any resulting charges.”

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    The primary objective for authorities is to determine which individuals, if any, planned, orchestrated or directed the violence. To that end, the FBI has already found worrying linkages within such extremist groups as the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, and Three Percenters, and is looking to see if those groups coordinated with each other to storm the building, according to people familiar with the investigation.

    Prosecutors have signaled they are looking to bring charges of seditious conspiracy against anyone who planned and carried out violence aimed at the government — a charge that carries a maximum possible prison sentence of 20 years.

    But even as Justice Department officials look to bring those types of cases, they privately acknowledge those more determined and dangerous individuals may have operated within a broader sea of people who rushed through the doors but didn’t do much else, and prosecutors will ultimately have to decide if all of those lesser offenders should be charged.

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    Officials insisted they are not under pressure in regards to timing of decisions about how to handle those type of cases. For one thing, investigators are still gathering evidence, and agents could easily turn up additional photos or online postings that show a person they initially believed was harmless had, in fact, encouraged or engaged in other crimes.

    Investigators also expect that some of those charged in the riot will eventually cooperate and provide evidence against others, and that could change their understanding of what certain people said or did that day, these people said.

    Nevertheless, these people said, some in federal law enforcement are concerned that charging people solely with unlawful entry, when they are not known to have committed any other bad acts, could lead to losses if they go to trial.

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    “If an old man says all he did was walk in and no one tried to stop him, and he walked out and no one tried to stop him, and that’s all we know about what he did, that’s a case we may not win,” one official said.

    Another official noted most of those arrested so far have no criminal records.

    Meanwhile, defense lawyers for some of those charged are contemplating something akin to a “Trump defense” — that the president or other authority figures gave them permission or invited them to commit an otherwise illegal act.

    “If you think of yourself as a soldier doing the bidding of the commander in chief, you don’t try to hide your actions. You assume you will be held up as a hero by the nation,” criminal defense lawyers Teri Kanefield and Mark Reichel wrote last week.

    Such a defense might not forestall charges but could be effective at trial or sentencing. Trump’s looming impeachment trial in the Senate will also focus further attention on his actions and raise questions about the culpability of followers for the misinformation spread by leaders around bogus election-fraud claims rejected by courts and state voting officials.

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    “It’s not a like a bunch of people gathered on their own and decided to do this, it’s not like a mob. It’s people who were asked to come by the president, encouraged to come by the president, and encouraged to do what they did by the president and a number of others,” said one attorney representing defendants charged in the breach who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss legal strategy.

    Prosecutors have other options. For rioters with no previous criminal records or convictions and whose known behavior inside the Capitol was not violent or destructive, the government could enter into deferred plea agreements, a diversion program akin to pretrial probation in which prosecutors agree to drop charges if a defendant commits no offenses over a certain time period.

    Such a resolution would not result in even a misdemeanor conviction, and has been used before in some cases involving individuals with a history of mental illness who were arrested for jumping the White House fence. Criminal defense attorneys note there may be further distinctions between individuals who may have witnessed illegal activity or otherwise had reason to know they were entering a restricted area, and those for whom prosecutors can’t show such awareness.

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    There is also a question over whether charging all of the rioters could swamp the federal court system. In 2019, D.C. federal courts recorded only about 430 criminal cases, and fewer than 300 last year, when the legal system slowed significantly due to the pandemic. Many of those cases, however, had multiple defendants.

    The workload of prosecuting the rioters could be eased if some of the cases were farmed out to other U.S. attorney offices around the country, but so far D.C. prosecutors have shown no interest in doing so. The law generally requires that individuals be prosecuted in the district in which a crime occurred.

    “The crime happened here. Prosecutors and judges can see the crime scene from their office windows. I find it strange anyone would suggest it be done anywhere else,” a person familiar with the investigation said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss an internal debate.

    Beyond all the evidence-gathering and charging decisions left to do, federal officials concede there will likely be some number of people who were there that day and are simply never identified, due to some combination of luck, masks or lack of social media posts.

    Wow only 700-900 people invaded the capitol building?

    LOL
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 26,021
    PJNB said:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/doj-capitol-rioters-charges-debate/2021/01/23/3b0cf112-5d97-11eb-8bcf-3877871c819d_story.html

    Federal officials estimate that roughly 800 people surged into the building, though they caution that such numbers are imprecise, and the real figure could be 100 people or more in either direction.
    Can you post the article.  I tried to get access and won't let me.
    Jan. 23, 2021 at 2:21 p.m. AST

    Federal law enforcement officials are privately debating whether they should decline to charge some of the individuals who stormed the U.S. Capitol this month — a politically loaded proposition but one alert to the practical concern that hundreds of such cases could swamp the local courthouse.

    The internal discussions are in their early stages, and no decisions have been reached about whether to forgo charging some of those who illegally entered the Capitol on Jan. 6, according to multiple people familiar with the discussions.

    Justice Department officials have promised a relentless effort to identify and arrest those who stormed the Capitol that day, but internally there is robust back-and-forth about whether charging them all is the best course of action. That debate comes at a time when officials are keenly sensitive that the credibility of the Justice Department and the FBI are at stake in such decisions, given the apparent security and intelligence failures that preceded the riot, these people said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss legal deliberations.

    Federal officials estimate that roughly 800 people surged into the building, though they caution that such numbers are imprecise, and the real figure could be 100 people or more in either direction.

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    41 minutes of fear: A video timeline from inside the Capitol siege
    The Post obtained hours of video footage, some exclusively, and placed it within a digital 3-D model of the building. (TWP)
    AD

    Among those roughly 800 people, FBI agents and prosecutors have so far seen a broad mix of behavior — from people dressed for military battle, moving in formation, to wanton vandalism, to simply going with the crowd into the building.

    Due to the wide variety of behavior, some federal officials have argued internally that those people who are known only to have committed unlawful entry — and were not engaged in violent, threatening or destructive behavior — should not be charged, according to people familiar with the discussions.

    Psaki says administration will take action against ‘domestic violent extremism’ after Capitol riot
    White House press secretary Jen Psaki on Jan. 22 announced the National Security Council will build new capability to focus on domestic extremism. (The Washington Post)

    Other agents and prosecutors have pushed back against that suggestion, arguing that it is important to send a forceful message that the kind of political violence and mayhem on display Jan. 6 needs to be punished to the full extent of the law, so as to discourage similar conduct in the future.

    AD

    There are a host of other factors complicating the discussions, many of which center not around the politics of the riot, but the real-world work of investigators and prosecutors, these people said.

    The Justice Department has already charged more than 135 individuals with committing crimes in or around the Capitol building, and many more are expected to be charged in the coming weeks and months. By mid-January, the FBI had already received more than 200,000 tips from the public about the riot, in addition to news footage and police officer testimony.

    “There is absolute resolve from the Department of Justice to hold all who intentionally engaged in criminal acts at the Capitol accountable,” Justice Department spokesman Marc Raimondi said in an email. “We have consistently made clear that we will follow the facts and evidence and charge individuals accordingly. We remain confident that the U.S. District Court for Washington, DC can appropriately handle the docket related to any resulting charges.”

    AD

    The primary objective for authorities is to determine which individuals, if any, planned, orchestrated or directed the violence. To that end, the FBI has already found worrying linkages within such extremist groups as the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, and Three Percenters, and is looking to see if those groups coordinated with each other to storm the building, according to people familiar with the investigation.

    Prosecutors have signaled they are looking to bring charges of seditious conspiracy against anyone who planned and carried out violence aimed at the government — a charge that carries a maximum possible prison sentence of 20 years.

    But even as Justice Department officials look to bring those types of cases, they privately acknowledge those more determined and dangerous individuals may have operated within a broader sea of people who rushed through the doors but didn’t do much else, and prosecutors will ultimately have to decide if all of those lesser offenders should be charged.

    AD

    Officials insisted they are not under pressure in regards to timing of decisions about how to handle those type of cases. For one thing, investigators are still gathering evidence, and agents could easily turn up additional photos or online postings that show a person they initially believed was harmless had, in fact, encouraged or engaged in other crimes.

    Investigators also expect that some of those charged in the riot will eventually cooperate and provide evidence against others, and that could change their understanding of what certain people said or did that day, these people said.

    Nevertheless, these people said, some in federal law enforcement are concerned that charging people solely with unlawful entry, when they are not known to have committed any other bad acts, could lead to losses if they go to trial.

    AD

    “If an old man says all he did was walk in and no one tried to stop him, and he walked out and no one tried to stop him, and that’s all we know about what he did, that’s a case we may not win,” one official said.

    Another official noted most of those arrested so far have no criminal records.

    Meanwhile, defense lawyers for some of those charged are contemplating something akin to a “Trump defense” — that the president or other authority figures gave them permission or invited them to commit an otherwise illegal act.

    “If you think of yourself as a soldier doing the bidding of the commander in chief, you don’t try to hide your actions. You assume you will be held up as a hero by the nation,” criminal defense lawyers Teri Kanefield and Mark Reichel wrote last week.

    Such a defense might not forestall charges but could be effective at trial or sentencing. Trump’s looming impeachment trial in the Senate will also focus further attention on his actions and raise questions about the culpability of followers for the misinformation spread by leaders around bogus election-fraud claims rejected by courts and state voting officials.

    AD

    “It’s not a like a bunch of people gathered on their own and decided to do this, it’s not like a mob. It’s people who were asked to come by the president, encouraged to come by the president, and encouraged to do what they did by the president and a number of others,” said one attorney representing defendants charged in the breach who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss legal strategy.

    Prosecutors have other options. For rioters with no previous criminal records or convictions and whose known behavior inside the Capitol was not violent or destructive, the government could enter into deferred plea agreements, a diversion program akin to pretrial probation in which prosecutors agree to drop charges if a defendant commits no offenses over a certain time period.

    Such a resolution would not result in even a misdemeanor conviction, and has been used before in some cases involving individuals with a history of mental illness who were arrested for jumping the White House fence. Criminal defense attorneys note there may be further distinctions between individuals who may have witnessed illegal activity or otherwise had reason to know they were entering a restricted area, and those for whom prosecutors can’t show such awareness.

    AD

    There is also a question over whether charging all of the rioters could swamp the federal court system. In 2019, D.C. federal courts recorded only about 430 criminal cases, and fewer than 300 last year, when the legal system slowed significantly due to the pandemic. Many of those cases, however, had multiple defendants.

    The workload of prosecuting the rioters could be eased if some of the cases were farmed out to other U.S. attorney offices around the country, but so far D.C. prosecutors have shown no interest in doing so. The law generally requires that individuals be prosecuted in the district in which a crime occurred.

    “The crime happened here. Prosecutors and judges can see the crime scene from their office windows. I find it strange anyone would suggest it be done anywhere else,” a person familiar with the investigation said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss an internal debate.

    Beyond all the evidence-gathering and charging decisions left to do, federal officials concede there will likely be some number of people who were there that day and are simply never identified, due to some combination of luck, masks or lack of social media posts.

    Wow only 700-900 people invaded the capitol building?

    LOL
    that's actually a lot more inside than I thought it was. crazy. 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,677
    OnWis97 said:
    AOC says she was hiding in her bathroom while people were trying to get into her office. 


    I don't think we truly appreciate how close we came to seeing a big name killed.* It's not hyperbolic to say that her life was in jeopardy nor that someone like Pelosi or Pence could have been killed if seconds/minutes had been lost.  But hey, let's move on!

    *And of course there's a lot of ignoring of those that did die, including the cop beaten to death on the scene. But realistically if a lawmaker had been killed the GOP would not be able to do this "time to move on" shtick.

    So it turns out the whole thing was a lie. LOL. She wasn't even in the building.  #AlexandriaOcasioSmollett
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 26,021
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    AOC says she was hiding in her bathroom while people were trying to get into her office. 


    I don't think we truly appreciate how close we came to seeing a big name killed.* It's not hyperbolic to say that her life was in jeopardy nor that someone like Pelosi or Pence could have been killed if seconds/minutes had been lost.  But hey, let's move on!

    *And of course there's a lot of ignoring of those that did die, including the cop beaten to death on the scene. But realistically if a lawmaker had been killed the GOP would not be able to do this "time to move on" shtick.

    So it turns out the whole thing was a lie. LOL. She wasn't even in the building.  #AlexandriaOcasioSmollett
    what?
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,677
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    AOC says she was hiding in her bathroom while people were trying to get into her office. 


    I don't think we truly appreciate how close we came to seeing a big name killed.* It's not hyperbolic to say that her life was in jeopardy nor that someone like Pelosi or Pence could have been killed if seconds/minutes had been lost.  But hey, let's move on!

    *And of course there's a lot of ignoring of those that did die, including the cop beaten to death on the scene. But realistically if a lawmaker had been killed the GOP would not be able to do this "time to move on" shtick.

    So it turns out the whole thing was a lie. LOL. She wasn't even in the building.  #AlexandriaOcasioSmollett
    what?

    There are mixed feelings on what it means. She was in Katie Porter's office in another building.  The "banging" on the door was a cop trying to move them to a secure location.  I guess you could argue that it's easy for us from the cheap seats to suggest she shouldn't have been freightened, but I'm starting to wonder whether she did go for the opportunist angle here.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 21,219
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    AOC says she was hiding in her bathroom while people were trying to get into her office. 


    I don't think we truly appreciate how close we came to seeing a big name killed.* It's not hyperbolic to say that her life was in jeopardy nor that someone like Pelosi or Pence could have been killed if seconds/minutes had been lost.  But hey, let's move on!

    *And of course there's a lot of ignoring of those that did die, including the cop beaten to death on the scene. But realistically if a lawmaker had been killed the GOP would not be able to do this "time to move on" shtick.

    So it turns out the whole thing was a lie. LOL. She wasn't even in the building.  #AlexandriaOcasioSmollett
    what?

    There are mixed feelings on what it means. She was in Katie Porter's office in another building.  The "banging" on the door was a cop trying to move them to a secure location.  I guess you could argue that it's easy for us from the cheap seats to suggest she shouldn't have been freightened, but I'm starting to wonder whether she did go for the opportunist angle here.
    I think she has a habit of framing everything that happens into a particular ideological viewpoint.  So it would not surprise.  However, being the Capitol complex would qualify as to being 'there' to me.  Are we splitting hairs?  If she was at Reagan National, that would be different. 
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 14,824
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    AOC says she was hiding in her bathroom while people were trying to get into her office. 


    I don't think we truly appreciate how close we came to seeing a big name killed.* It's not hyperbolic to say that her life was in jeopardy nor that someone like Pelosi or Pence could have been killed if seconds/minutes had been lost.  But hey, let's move on!

    *And of course there's a lot of ignoring of those that did die, including the cop beaten to death on the scene. But realistically if a lawmaker had been killed the GOP would not be able to do this "time to move on" shtick.

    So it turns out the whole thing was a lie. LOL. She wasn't even in the building.  #AlexandriaOcasioSmollett
    what?

    There are mixed feelings on what it means. She was in Katie Porter's office in another building.  The "banging" on the door was a cop trying to move them to a secure location.  I guess you could argue that it's easy for us from the cheap seats to suggest she shouldn't have been freightened, but I'm starting to wonder whether she did go for the opportunist angle here.
    She wasn’t in the Capitol? 
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  • hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of foreverPosts: 23,181
    Glass half-full thought of the week: Most people now know the spelling difference between capitol and capital.

    I crack myself up sometimes. 
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 7,960
    tbergs said:
    Seems like a lot of radicalized people to me


    Around 200 or so. That's Trump math there. "A lot of people are saying...", "Everyone knows...", "The biggest..." Until large numbers equal bad, then it's just a few out of the masses. Everyone past the barricades "stormed" the capitol. Not all made it in, but the whole thing was treasonous.
    tempo never said the picture above was 200. he actually said something in the thousands were outside the capitol, but was asking about how many were INSIDE. does everyone understand the word INSIDE?? and asking how many were inside is not "minimizing". 

    some people just like facts. 

    kinda hard having a factual discussion without,...you know.....FACTS. 
    That's all fine and dandy, but I'm a bit skeptical of anyone at this point who openly wonders about how that many people got in the capitol or what happened. It's almost been a month. All the shit is out there. If you're wondering, do a bit of research. There's tons of video of the whole crazy mess from multiple angles and entries. Sorry, I get annoyed when it seems that ignorance is being employed to downplay what happened.

    Also, I think I was mostly snapping at the dumb sarcasm from another poster calling it mostly peaceful after this was brought up. The whole thing was a cult rally based on conspiracy theories and lies and thousands took it to the next level with hundreds more turning it violent. People just stood around and videoed officers being beaten and attacked and then followed the most violent once barriers (human and physical) were out of the way. I'll estimate that half of these crazies would be just fine pulling the trigger on anyone walking on their property and be ready to stand their ground. Fuck all of these people.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,677
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    AOC says she was hiding in her bathroom while people were trying to get into her office. 


    I don't think we truly appreciate how close we came to seeing a big name killed.* It's not hyperbolic to say that her life was in jeopardy nor that someone like Pelosi or Pence could have been killed if seconds/minutes had been lost.  But hey, let's move on!

    *And of course there's a lot of ignoring of those that did die, including the cop beaten to death on the scene. But realistically if a lawmaker had been killed the GOP would not be able to do this "time to move on" shtick.

    So it turns out the whole thing was a lie. LOL. She wasn't even in the building.  #AlexandriaOcasioSmollett
    what?

    There are mixed feelings on what it means. She was in Katie Porter's office in another building.  The "banging" on the door was a cop trying to move them to a secure location.  I guess you could argue that it's easy for us from the cheap seats to suggest she shouldn't have been freightened, but I'm starting to wonder whether she did go for the opportunist angle here.
    She wasn’t in the Capitol? 

    No.  A nearby office building. That said, I don't have any idea how close/accessible the buildings are to each other.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,653
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    AOC says she was hiding in her bathroom while people were trying to get into her office. 


    I don't think we truly appreciate how close we came to seeing a big name killed.* It's not hyperbolic to say that her life was in jeopardy nor that someone like Pelosi or Pence could have been killed if seconds/minutes had been lost.  But hey, let's move on!

    *And of course there's a lot of ignoring of those that did die, including the cop beaten to death on the scene. But realistically if a lawmaker had been killed the GOP would not be able to do this "time to move on" shtick.

    So it turns out the whole thing was a lie. LOL. She wasn't even in the building.  #AlexandriaOcasioSmollett
    what?

    There are mixed feelings on what it means. She was in Katie Porter's office in another building.  The "banging" on the door was a cop trying to move them to a secure location.  I guess you could argue that it's easy for us from the cheap seats to suggest she shouldn't have been freightened, but I'm starting to wonder whether she did go for the opportunist angle here.
    She wasn’t in the Capitol? 

    No.  A nearby office building. That said, I don't have any idea how close/accessible the buildings are to each other.
    They’re all connected by tunnels. Not secret tunnels, mind you, but tunnels made for the specific purpose of getting from your assigned office, location determined by party in power and seniority, to the house or senate floor for votes. Most senior members of respective parties have an office just off the floor of each chamber. They’re called hideaways and it’s where the real work takes place. The other offices are for staff and constituent services. Also, to avoid having to navigate outdoors, in heat and rain and where The chances of running into an armed nut job are infinitely higher. The tunnels are public and not secret.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,653
    Funny how some get so offended when not even quoted, eh? OMG, an opinion I don't agree with! The horror!
    I quoted you because of the after comment.  If you didn't direct that first part at me then I'll move on.

    I'm not offended at all, you're still a tool.
    Grasping. 
    So did you you or didn't you direct your tirade at me?
    Tirade? Because I think you made a lame attempt at minimizing something by asking "how many?" What if it were one person and the result was the same? Say, one person with an assault rifle and a few hundred rounds of armor piercing ammo? Almost a month later and we're debating "how many got inside." Like it makes a fucking difference. Tirade. Tool. You seem stuck on Ts today, Tempo. Tirade. Tool. Tirading Tool. Tooling Tirader. Tirading Tool Tooling Tiraded. FFS. I'll respectfully ask, do you watch the news? Did you not see the countless hours of footage from inside the capitol? Seems to me to be more than 200. But again, what fucking difference does it make?
    so let's back this up: the guy got his facts wrong, he gets trashed for it. he then asks for facts, and now those facts are irrelevant? and how is asking for facts "minimizing" in your head?

    I'd say the difference between 200 and 10,000 is quite a fucking bit. and relevant. no matter the number, yes, they were all traitorous pieces of trash. but I think factual questions should be THE MINIMUM expectation around here. 
    A month after the “fact,” he got his facts wrong. WTF? Pay the fuck attention to the biggest fucking political conspiracy and malfeasance in several generations, maybe since 1860. Pay the fuck attention to “simple” fucking facts that were broadcast live, streamed live and reported on and rebroadcast for a month. The “facts” weren’t hidden, they weren’t made the fuck up and they weren’t fake fucking news. If you want to know the facts, Jack. By the way, I heard it was 201. Again, what the fuck difference does it make if it were 1, 100, 200, 201, 1,000, 10,000, 100,000, particularly if the result, and attempted result, were the same? Tool Tirading on behalf of facts and against minimizing.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 24,717
    I’ll tell you how many broke into the capitol building 1 too many! 
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    DOJ considering usibg RICO to prosecute. Which can grab those not directly engaged.....

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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 26,628
    tbergs said:
    tbergs said:
    Seems like a lot of radicalized people to me


    Around 200 or so. That's Trump math there. "A lot of people are saying...", "Everyone knows...", "The biggest..." Until large numbers equal bad, then it's just a few out of the masses. Everyone past the barricades "stormed" the capitol. Not all made it in, but the whole thing was treasonous.
    tempo never said the picture above was 200. he actually said something in the thousands were outside the capitol, but was asking about how many were INSIDE. does everyone understand the word INSIDE?? and asking how many were inside is not "minimizing". 

    some people just like facts. 

    kinda hard having a factual discussion without,...you know.....FACTS. 
    That's all fine and dandy, but I'm a bit skeptical of anyone at this point who openly wonders about how that many people got in the capitol or what happened. It's almost been a month. All the shit is out there. If you're wondering, do a bit of research. There's tons of video of the whole crazy mess from multiple angles and entries. Sorry, I get annoyed when it seems that ignorance is being employed to downplay what happened.

    Also, I think I was mostly snapping at the dumb sarcasm from another poster calling it mostly peaceful after this was brought up. The whole thing was a cult rally based on conspiracy theories and lies and thousands took it to the next level with hundreds more turning it violent. People just stood around and videoed officers being beaten and attacked and then followed the most violent once barriers (human and physical) were out of the way. I'll estimate that half of these crazies would be just fine pulling the trigger on anyone walking on their property and be ready to stand their ground. Fuck all of these people.
    Funny how some get so offended when not even quoted, eh? OMG, an opinion I don't agree with! The horror!
    I quoted you because of the after comment.  If you didn't direct that first part at me then I'll move on.

    I'm not offended at all, you're still a tool.
    Grasping. 
    So did you you or didn't you direct your tirade at me?
    Tirade? Because I think you made a lame attempt at minimizing something by asking "how many?" What if it were one person and the result was the same? Say, one person with an assault rifle and a few hundred rounds of armor piercing ammo? Almost a month later and we're debating "how many got inside." Like it makes a fucking difference. Tirade. Tool. You seem stuck on Ts today, Tempo. Tirade. Tool. Tirading Tool. Tooling Tirader. Tirading Tool Tooling Tiraded. FFS. I'll respectfully ask, do you watch the news? Did you not see the countless hours of footage from inside the capitol? Seems to me to be more than 200. But again, what fucking difference does it make?
    so let's back this up: the guy got his facts wrong, he gets trashed for it. he then asks for facts, and now those facts are irrelevant? and how is asking for facts "minimizing" in your head?

    I'd say the difference between 200 and 10,000 is quite a fucking bit. and relevant. no matter the number, yes, they were all traitorous pieces of trash. but I think factual questions should be THE MINIMUM expectation around here. 
    A month after the “fact,” he got his facts wrong. WTF? Pay the fuck attention to the biggest fucking political conspiracy and malfeasance in several generations, maybe since 1860. Pay the fuck attention to “simple” fucking facts that were broadcast live, streamed live and reported on and rebroadcast for a month. The “facts” weren’t hidden, they weren’t made the fuck up and they weren’t fake fucking news. If you want to know the facts, Jack. By the way, I heard it was 201. Again, what the fuck difference does it make if it were 1, 100, 200, 201, 1,000, 10,000, 100,000, particularly if the result, and attempted result, were the same? Tool Tirading on behalf of facts and against minimizing.
    Did not know the facts because I wasn't watching news all day and was curious so I asked.  I ask a question and get ZERO answers, I decide to do the research then i get lambasted for repeating what I read and everyone has a problem with it.

    I do not live and breathe the news so I asked a fucking question.

    I also asked 3 separate parts to it that certain people have particular issues with they were:
    1 How many people were at the rally?
    Which I found to be around 50,000
    2 How many people rushed the Capitol?
    Which I found to be around 10,000
    3 How many actually made it inside?
    I had heard 200, don't recall where but couldn't find a number in any google search.

    Why did I ask?  Because people here are generally informed and I wanted to know.  Not minimizing. Didn't want to go through a bunch of articles.  

    Also mentioned that AOC was in Rep Porters office after doing some research and that was dismissed as bullshit.

    Asked this question a month after the fact because more information comes out and a better idea of what happened can summed up.

    I am truly sorry for asking a question.  Apparently they have ulterior motives...
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 12,074
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    AOC says she was hiding in her bathroom while people were trying to get into her office. 


    I don't think we truly appreciate how close we came to seeing a big name killed.* It's not hyperbolic to say that her life was in jeopardy nor that someone like Pelosi or Pence could have been killed if seconds/minutes had been lost.  But hey, let's move on!

    *And of course there's a lot of ignoring of those that did die, including the cop beaten to death on the scene. But realistically if a lawmaker had been killed the GOP would not be able to do this "time to move on" shtick.

    So it turns out the whole thing was a lie. LOL. She wasn't even in the building.  #AlexandriaOcasioSmollett
    what?

    There are mixed feelings on what it means. She was in Katie Porter's office in another building.  The "banging" on the door was a cop trying to move them to a secure location.  I guess you could argue that it's easy for us from the cheap seats to suggest she shouldn't have been freightened, but I'm starting to wonder whether she did go for the opportunist angle here.
    She wasn’t in the Capitol? 

    No.  A nearby office building. That said, I don't have any idea how close/accessible the buildings are to each other.
    You’re falling for the latest right wing media minimization technique, led by Tucker Carlson, who also said that this wasn’t a riot at all, but merely the GOP’s internal power struggle and that no one inside the Capitol was actually in danger.

    The buildings are all connected in a larger complex; it was the complex that was stormed, not just the Capitol building itself. 
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 6,178
    tbergs said:
    tbergs said:
    Seems like a lot of radicalized people to me


    Around 200 or so. That's Trump math there. "A lot of people are saying...", "Everyone knows...", "The biggest..." Until large numbers equal bad, then it's just a few out of the masses. Everyone past the barricades "stormed" the capitol. Not all made it in, but the whole thing was treasonous.
    tempo never said the picture above was 200. he actually said something in the thousands were outside the capitol, but was asking about how many were INSIDE. does everyone understand the word INSIDE?? and asking how many were inside is not "minimizing". 

    some people just like facts. 

    kinda hard having a factual discussion without,...you know.....FACTS. 
    That's all fine and dandy, but I'm a bit skeptical of anyone at this point who openly wonders about how that many people got in the capitol or what happened. It's almost been a month. All the shit is out there. If you're wondering, do a bit of research. There's tons of video of the whole crazy mess from multiple angles and entries. Sorry, I get annoyed when it seems that ignorance is being employed to downplay what happened.

    Also, I think I was mostly snapping at the dumb sarcasm from another poster calling it mostly peaceful after this was brought up. The whole thing was a cult rally based on conspiracy theories and lies and thousands took it to the next level with hundreds more turning it violent. People just stood around and videoed officers being beaten and attacked and then followed the most violent once barriers (human and physical) were out of the way. I'll estimate that half of these crazies would be just fine pulling the trigger on anyone walking on their property and be ready to stand their ground. Fuck all of these people.
    Funny how some get so offended when not even quoted, eh? OMG, an opinion I don't agree with! The horror!
    I quoted you because of the after comment.  If you didn't direct that first part at me then I'll move on.

    I'm not offended at all, you're still a tool.
    Grasping. 
    So did you you or didn't you direct your tirade at me?
    Tirade? Because I think you made a lame attempt at minimizing something by asking "how many?" What if it were one person and the result was the same? Say, one person with an assault rifle and a few hundred rounds of armor piercing ammo? Almost a month later and we're debating "how many got inside." Like it makes a fucking difference. Tirade. Tool. You seem stuck on Ts today, Tempo. Tirade. Tool. Tirading Tool. Tooling Tirader. Tirading Tool Tooling Tiraded. FFS. I'll respectfully ask, do you watch the news? Did you not see the countless hours of footage from inside the capitol? Seems to me to be more than 200. But again, what fucking difference does it make?
    so let's back this up: the guy got his facts wrong, he gets trashed for it. he then asks for facts, and now those facts are irrelevant? and how is asking for facts "minimizing" in your head?

    I'd say the difference between 200 and 10,000 is quite a fucking bit. and relevant. no matter the number, yes, they were all traitorous pieces of trash. but I think factual questions should be THE MINIMUM expectation around here. 
    A month after the “fact,” he got his facts wrong. WTF? Pay the fuck attention to the biggest fucking political conspiracy and malfeasance in several generations, maybe since 1860. Pay the fuck attention to “simple” fucking facts that were broadcast live, streamed live and reported on and rebroadcast for a month. The “facts” weren’t hidden, they weren’t made the fuck up and they weren’t fake fucking news. If you want to know the facts, Jack. By the way, I heard it was 201. Again, what the fuck difference does it make if it were 1, 100, 200, 201, 1,000, 10,000, 100,000, particularly if the result, and attempted result, were the same? Tool Tirading on behalf of facts and against minimizing.
    Did not know the facts because I wasn't watching news all day and was curious so I asked.  I ask a question and get ZERO answers, I decide to do the research then i get lambasted for repeating what I read and everyone has a problem with it.

    I do not live and breathe the news so I asked a fucking question.

    I also asked 3 separate parts to it that certain people have particular issues with they were:
    1 How many people were at the rally?
    Which I found to be around 50,000
    2 How many people rushed the Capitol?
    Which I found to be around 10,000
    3 How many actually made it inside?
    I had heard 200, don't recall where but couldn't find a number in any google search.

    Why did I ask?  Because people here are generally informed and I wanted to know.  Not minimizing. Didn't want to go through a bunch of articles.  

    Also mentioned that AOC was in Rep Porters office after doing some research and that was dismissed as bullshit.

    Asked this question a month after the fact because more information comes out and a better idea of what happened can summed up.

    I am truly sorry for asking a question.  Apparently they have ulterior motives...
    On the bright side, this discussion has been “mostly peaceful” :)
    I don’t think you are wrong for asking for details...they matter.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 14,824
    I’ll tell you how many broke into the capitol building 1 too many! 
    So if just 1 person that made it in didn't, it would have all been ok?  

    I'm not sure you stated what you think you did. 
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 14,824
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    AOC says she was hiding in her bathroom while people were trying to get into her office. 


    I don't think we truly appreciate how close we came to seeing a big name killed.* It's not hyperbolic to say that her life was in jeopardy nor that someone like Pelosi or Pence could have been killed if seconds/minutes had been lost.  But hey, let's move on!

    *And of course there's a lot of ignoring of those that did die, including the cop beaten to death on the scene. But realistically if a lawmaker had been killed the GOP would not be able to do this "time to move on" shtick.

    So it turns out the whole thing was a lie. LOL. She wasn't even in the building.  #AlexandriaOcasioSmollett
    what?

    There are mixed feelings on what it means. She was in Katie Porter's office in another building.  The "banging" on the door was a cop trying to move them to a secure location.  I guess you could argue that it's easy for us from the cheap seats to suggest she shouldn't have been freightened, but I'm starting to wonder whether she did go for the opportunist angle here.
    She wasn’t in the Capitol? 

    No.  A nearby office building. That said, I don't have any idea how close/accessible the buildings are to each other.
    You’re falling for the latest right wing media minimization technique, led by Tucker Carlson, who also said that this wasn’t a riot at all, but merely the GOP’s internal power struggle and that no one inside the Capitol was actually in danger.

    The buildings are all connected in a larger complex; it was the complex that was stormed, not just the Capitol building itself. 
    I would never call for people to storm a building, but some people can't get it unless it happens to them.  I wonder what Carlson would think if hundreds of people stormed the Fox studio while he was on air?  
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 11,603
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    AOC says she was hiding in her bathroom while people were trying to get into her office. 


    I don't think we truly appreciate how close we came to seeing a big name killed.* It's not hyperbolic to say that her life was in jeopardy nor that someone like Pelosi or Pence could have been killed if seconds/minutes had been lost.  But hey, let's move on!

    *And of course there's a lot of ignoring of those that did die, including the cop beaten to death on the scene. But realistically if a lawmaker had been killed the GOP would not be able to do this "time to move on" shtick.

    So it turns out the whole thing was a lie. LOL. She wasn't even in the building.  #AlexandriaOcasioSmollett
    what?

    There are mixed feelings on what it means. She was in Katie Porter's office in another building.  The "banging" on the door was a cop trying to move them to a secure location.  I guess you could argue that it's easy for us from the cheap seats to suggest she shouldn't have been freightened, but I'm starting to wonder whether she did go for the opportunist angle here.
    She wasn’t in the Capitol? 

    No.  A nearby office building. That said, I don't have any idea how close/accessible the buildings are to each other.
    Just because she wasn't in the fucking rotunda doesn't mean she wasn't in the mix of what was going on.  Nothing she said was untrue.  Don't believe the right wing bullshit.
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    Funny how some get so offended when not even quoted, eh? OMG, an opinion I don't agree with! The horror!
    I quoted you because of the after comment.  If you didn't direct that first part at me then I'll move on.

    I'm not offended at all, you're still a tool.
    Grasping. 
    So did you you or didn't you direct your tirade at me?
    Tirade? Because I think you made a lame attempt at minimizing something by asking "how many?" What if it were one person and the result was the same? Say, one person with an assault rifle and a few hundred rounds of armor piercing ammo? Almost a month later and we're debating "how many got inside." Like it makes a fucking difference. Tirade. Tool. You seem stuck on Ts today, Tempo. Tirade. Tool. Tirading Tool. Tooling Tirader. Tirading Tool Tooling Tiraded. FFS. I'll respectfully ask, do you watch the news? Did you not see the countless hours of footage from inside the capitol? Seems to me to be more than 200. But again, what fucking difference does it make?
    so let's back this up: the guy got his facts wrong, he gets trashed for it. he then asks for facts, and now those facts are irrelevant? and how is asking for facts "minimizing" in your head?

    I'd say the difference between 200 and 10,000 is quite a fucking bit. and relevant. no matter the number, yes, they were all traitorous pieces of trash. but I think factual questions should be THE MINIMUM expectation around here. 
    A month after the “fact,” he got his facts wrong. WTF? Pay the fuck attention to the biggest fucking political conspiracy and malfeasance in several generations, maybe since 1860. Pay the fuck attention to “simple” fucking facts that were broadcast live, streamed live and reported on and rebroadcast for a month. The “facts” weren’t hidden, they weren’t made the fuck up and they weren’t fake fucking news. If you want to know the facts, Jack. By the way, I heard it was 201. Again, what the fuck difference does it make if it were 1, 100, 200, 201, 1,000, 10,000, 100,000, particularly if the result, and attempted result, were the same? Tool Tirading on behalf of facts and against minimizing.
    we're on a rock band's message board. a guy asked a question. and your reaction is how many pages of this^^^^?

    I know you have trouble with people discussing things and not being at the same exact level of outrage as you all the time. But some of us like to calmly discuss facts. you blathered on and on and on about facts the last 4 fucking years. i'd think you of all people would appreciate someone wanting to clarify them. 
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 14,824
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    AOC says she was hiding in her bathroom while people were trying to get into her office. 


    I don't think we truly appreciate how close we came to seeing a big name killed.* It's not hyperbolic to say that her life was in jeopardy nor that someone like Pelosi or Pence could have been killed if seconds/minutes had been lost.  But hey, let's move on!

    *And of course there's a lot of ignoring of those that did die, including the cop beaten to death on the scene. But realistically if a lawmaker had been killed the GOP would not be able to do this "time to move on" shtick.

    So it turns out the whole thing was a lie. LOL. She wasn't even in the building.  #AlexandriaOcasioSmollett
    what?

    There are mixed feelings on what it means. She was in Katie Porter's office in another building.  The "banging" on the door was a cop trying to move them to a secure location.  I guess you could argue that it's easy for us from the cheap seats to suggest she shouldn't have been freightened, but I'm starting to wonder whether she did go for the opportunist angle here.
    She wasn’t in the Capitol? 

    No.  A nearby office building. That said, I don't have any idea how close/accessible the buildings are to each other.
    Just because she wasn't in the fucking rotunda doesn't mean she wasn't in the mix of what was going on.  Nothing she said was untrue.  Don't believe the right wing bullshit.
    It may or may not matter.  But people should be really clear and honest, that's all.  And she may have been...but from what I was reading or saw I never knew she wasn't closer to the actual chambers
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 26,021
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    AOC says she was hiding in her bathroom while people were trying to get into her office. 


    I don't think we truly appreciate how close we came to seeing a big name killed.* It's not hyperbolic to say that her life was in jeopardy nor that someone like Pelosi or Pence could have been killed if seconds/minutes had been lost.  But hey, let's move on!

    *And of course there's a lot of ignoring of those that did die, including the cop beaten to death on the scene. But realistically if a lawmaker had been killed the GOP would not be able to do this "time to move on" shtick.

    So it turns out the whole thing was a lie. LOL. She wasn't even in the building.  #AlexandriaOcasioSmollett
    what?

    There are mixed feelings on what it means. She was in Katie Porter's office in another building.  The "banging" on the door was a cop trying to move them to a secure location.  I guess you could argue that it's easy for us from the cheap seats to suggest she shouldn't have been freightened, but I'm starting to wonder whether she did go for the opportunist angle here.
    She wasn’t in the Capitol? 

    No.  A nearby office building. That said, I don't have any idea how close/accessible the buildings are to each other.
    You’re falling for the latest right wing media minimization technique, led by Tucker Carlson, who also said that this wasn’t a riot at all, but merely the GOP’s internal power struggle and that no one inside the Capitol was actually in danger.

    The buildings are all connected in a larger complex; it was the complex that was stormed, not just the Capitol building itself. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 21,219
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    AOC says she was hiding in her bathroom while people were trying to get into her office. 


    I don't think we truly appreciate how close we came to seeing a big name killed.* It's not hyperbolic to say that her life was in jeopardy nor that someone like Pelosi or Pence could have been killed if seconds/minutes had been lost.  But hey, let's move on!

    *And of course there's a lot of ignoring of those that did die, including the cop beaten to death on the scene. But realistically if a lawmaker had been killed the GOP would not be able to do this "time to move on" shtick.

    So it turns out the whole thing was a lie. LOL. She wasn't even in the building.  #AlexandriaOcasioSmollett
    what?

    There are mixed feelings on what it means. She was in Katie Porter's office in another building.  The "banging" on the door was a cop trying to move them to a secure location.  I guess you could argue that it's easy for us from the cheap seats to suggest she shouldn't have been freightened, but I'm starting to wonder whether she did go for the opportunist angle here.
    She wasn’t in the Capitol? 

    No.  A nearby office building. That said, I don't have any idea how close/accessible the buildings are to each other.
    Just because she wasn't in the fucking rotunda doesn't mean she wasn't in the mix of what was going on.  Nothing she said was untrue.  Don't believe the right wing bullshit.
    It may or may not matter.  But people should be really clear and honest, that's all.  And she may have been...but from what I was reading or saw I never knew she wasn't closer to the actual chambers
    Maybe AOC exaggerates.  Maybe she is dramatic.  Maybe she was never truly in danger, but maybe she felt she was.  Maybe she just likes face time.  None of that matters.  How someone felt in that situation is irrelevant to the fact that what happened was an abomination.  And no one will convince me (nor probably 75% of Americans) that had the rioters actually found her, she would have been in grave danger.  
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 14,824
    It appears that the building is pretty dang close.  I've been on the tour, even got to ride the "subway" from my senators building to the main capitol building.  You can certainly get anywhere once inside but for this proximity does matter.

    I'm no expert but it would seem that her office building was certainly close enough to the rotunda to be a risk pretty quickly after people entered.  Not to mention, reports of pipe bombs in the area.  

    If it were me I would certainly be concerned.  I wonder why their protocols for this weren't better?
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  • dankinddankind I am not your foot. Posts: 17,643
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    AOC says she was hiding in her bathroom while people were trying to get into her office. 


    I don't think we truly appreciate how close we came to seeing a big name killed.* It's not hyperbolic to say that her life was in jeopardy nor that someone like Pelosi or Pence could have been killed if seconds/minutes had been lost.  But hey, let's move on!

    *And of course there's a lot of ignoring of those that did die, including the cop beaten to death on the scene. But realistically if a lawmaker had been killed the GOP would not be able to do this "time to move on" shtick.

    So it turns out the whole thing was a lie. LOL. She wasn't even in the building.  #AlexandriaOcasioSmollett
    what?

    There are mixed feelings on what it means. She was in Katie Porter's office in another building.  The "banging" on the door was a cop trying to move them to a secure location.  I guess you could argue that it's easy for us from the cheap seats to suggest she shouldn't have been freightened, but I'm starting to wonder whether she did go for the opportunist angle here.
    She wasn’t in the Capitol? 

    No.  A nearby office building. That said, I don't have any idea how close/accessible the buildings are to each other.
    You’re falling for the latest right wing media minimization technique, led by Tucker Carlson, who also said that this wasn’t a riot at all, but merely the GOP’s internal power struggle and that no one inside the Capitol was actually in danger.

    The buildings are all connected in a larger complex; it was the complex that was stormed, not just the Capitol building itself. 
    i watched his show one time last week for a lark. I honestly don't know how anyone can sit there and listen to that weasel and not get a shiver down their spine in a mix of both rage and repulsiveness. I got through about 15 minutes before I had to shut it off and pour myself a drink. 
    Easy. His viewers are fueled by rage and repulsion. 
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 12,074

    So there was a threat when Mace wanted to tweet about it, but not when AOC wanted to tweet about it, is that the situation?

    It's my understanding that AOC never claimed that "insurrectionists stormed our hallway". 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 21,219
    Dumbest argument ever. 
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