CoVid19 Virus : Impact on PJ Spring & Summer Tours

pbultimate said:

It’s an all or none deal right? If there are any “no notice” cancels, it should only affect Toronto. 

Maybe/probably? I could see them making a decision about the 4 Canadian shows and waiting a bit longer on the US.  

given2fly23 said:

Don't cancel. The world is ending on 4/29 anyways. 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1249990/Asteroid-warning-NASA-tracks-4KM-killer-asteroid-hit-Earth-end-civilisation-asteroid-news

I raise your viral pandemic with a dinosaur level extinction event...

If Raleigh 2016 was any indication of how much notice you get, then I'd plan for the absolute last minute. 

NAL but I work with hotel/convention contracts.  If the WHO declares it a global pandemic, I believe that would allow the Force Majeur clause that is standard in our contracts to allow such events to cancel with out penalty to THEM.   If those are standard with the air travel and venues for the band as well, it would likely mean they could cancel at any time prior to the shows without incurring financial damages to themselves or their insurers. The flip side of that is that there is nothing that would aide in the business impacted recouping their monetary loses. Like everyone else, I've never bothered to read the user agreements when booking a flight but I would imagine there is some kind of cancellation policy in place for Force Majeur or "acts of god".  Most hotels will be reasonable with flexing their individual cancellation policies when stuff like this happens because it is beyond your control assuming people aren't dicks when the call the hotel to cancel. 

guitar101 said:

drakeheuer14 said:

PJNB said:

There is absolutely no reason to cancel the Canadian part of this tour as it stands right now. I think they need to unfortunately wait till the last minute to make this decision since so much can change. 

Just because they can wait, doesn’t mean they should. People still have money they can recover from travel costs. They really need to decide soon. 

That doesnt really make sense though.  I cant see them cancelling at this point when no other touring acts or professional sporting events in the current touring routing are doing so.  If things change drastically and we start seeing person to person infections happening, in for example Toronto, then things would change really fast.  If shows are getting cancelled on the spring tour it will most definitely be much closer to the actual shows.

It wasn’t a request to cancel. But again, being proactive will help more than being reactive. 

Clapper said:

NAL but I work with hotel/convention contracts.  If the WHO declares it a global pandemic, I believe that would allow the Force Majeur clause that is standard in our contracts to allow such events to cancel with out penalty to THEM.   If those are standard with the air travel and venues for the band as well, it would likely mean they could cancel at any time prior to the shows without incurring financial damages to themselves or their insurers. The flip side of that is that there is nothing that would aide in the business impacted recouping their monetary loses. Like everyone else, I've never bothered to read the user agreements when booking a flight but I would imagine there is some kind of cancellation policy in place for Force Majeur or "acts of god".  Most hotels will be reasonable with flexing their individual cancellation policies when stuff like this happens because it is beyond your control assuming people aren't dicks when the call the hotel to cancel. 

it is not simply defining it as a pandemic (a global pandemic is not really a thing, pandemic means it has spread far and wide across geographies) the novel H1N1 influenza of 2009-10 was a pandemic, that did not shut down the world. 

tdawe said:

drakeheuer14 said:

guitar101 said:

drakeheuer14 said:

PJNB said:

There is absolutely no reason to cancel the Canadian part of this tour as it stands right now. I think they need to unfortunately wait till the last minute to make this decision since so much can change. 

Just because they can wait, doesn’t mean they should. People still have money they can recover from travel costs. They really need to decide soon. 

That doesnt really make sense though.  I cant see them cancelling at this point when no other touring acts or professional sporting events in the current touring routing are doing so.  If things change drastically and we start seeing person to person infections happening, in for example Toronto, then things would change really fast.  If shows are getting cancelled on the spring tour it will most definitely be much closer to the actual shows.

It wasn’t a request to cancel. But again, being proactive will help more than being reactive. 

I disagree, they should absolutely be “reactive” in this scenario. Which is why they should & will wait until the last minute to make decisions, so they can react to the latest and best information. 

I have a hard time believing more harm comes from making a decision now rather than mid-tour. In all respects from health and fans $. 

guitar101 said:

drakeheuer14 said:

tdawe said:

drakeheuer14 said:

guitar101 said:

drakeheuer14 said:

PJNB said:

There is absolutely no reason to cancel the Canadian part of this tour as it stands right now. I think they need to unfortunately wait till the last minute to make this decision since so much can change. 

Just because they can wait, doesn’t mean they should. People still have money they can recover from travel costs. They really need to decide soon. 

That doesnt really make sense though.  I cant see them cancelling at this point when no other touring acts or professional sporting events in the current touring routing are doing so.  If things change drastically and we start seeing person to person infections happening, in for example Toronto, then things would change really fast.  If shows are getting cancelled on the spring tour it will most definitely be much closer to the actual shows.

It wasn’t a request to cancel. But again, being proactive will help more than being reactive. 

I disagree, they should absolutely be “reactive” in this scenario. Which is why they should & will wait until the last minute to make decisions, so they can react to the latest and best information. 

I have a hard time believing more harm comes from making a decision now rather than mid-tour. In all respects from health and fans $. 

But why should they cancel now when its not warranted ?

Feel like i’m running in circles. I’m not saying it’s the right thing or what I want, but it is what I believe benefits fans more than cancelling mid-tour or the day before.

drakeheuer14 said:

guitar101 said:

drakeheuer14 said:

tdawe said:

drakeheuer14 said:

guitar101 said:

drakeheuer14 said:

PJNB said:

There is absolutely no reason to cancel the Canadian part of this tour as it stands right now. I think they need to unfortunately wait till the last minute to make this decision since so much can change. 

Just because they can wait, doesn’t mean they should. People still have money they can recover from travel costs. They really need to decide soon. 

That doesnt really make sense though.  I cant see them cancelling at this point when no other touring acts or professional sporting events in the current touring routing are doing so.  If things change drastically and we start seeing person to person infections happening, in for example Toronto, then things would change really fast.  If shows are getting cancelled on the spring tour it will most definitely be much closer to the actual shows.

It wasn’t a request to cancel. But again, being proactive will help more than being reactive. 

I disagree, they should absolutely be “reactive” in this scenario. Which is why they should & will wait until the last minute to make decisions, so they can react to the latest and best information. 

I have a hard time believing more harm comes from making a decision now rather than mid-tour. In all respects from health and fans $. 

But why should they cancel now when its not warranted ?

Feel like i’m running in circles. I’m not saying it’s the right thing or what I want, but it is what I believe benefits fans more than cancelling mid-tour or the day before.

I'm more confused now too. If its not the right thing, and there's a good chance they wouldn't even need to. Then how would it benefit anyone, especially the fans, to prematurely cancel a show if it is not needed?
Many of us have already made plans, canceling now or 3 weeks from now isn't going to make much of a difference. But canceling now only to find out 3 weeks from now we didnt need to, that would suck.

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