CoVid19 Virus : Impact on PJ Spring & Summer Tours

chiwhitesox

mattsavard said:

O_G_D said:

(lame meme)

I'm not sure what's more annoying... Your attempt to politicize a burgeoning pandemic, or your 32 line signature. 

LOL!

elvistheking44

myoung321 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mattsavard said:

FEMA preparing to declare "Infectious disease emergency" 

6 Dead in WA State now 

You forgot the word “possible”

They didn't use the word possible.....  https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/king-county-now-has-14-coronavirus-cases-including-5-deaths/

In the quoted post from fema they most certainly did.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/02/fema-prepping-for-possible-coronavirus-emergency-declaration.html

YourLightMadeUsStars

If you can't tell by my post count, I don't do the social media thing very much. One of the main reasons is that it's so hard to sift through the bullshit and fear mongering in attempts to make you either click something or buy something.  Sometimes I miss the old blissfully ignorant days.. like when I wouldn't even know Wuhan China existed unless I went to the old encyclopedia or atlas and looked in the W section. Back then I feel like something like this would fizzle out without ever being sensationalized - life would go on without the unnecessary fear.  Now it's shoved down your throat and information tends to travel by whatever's news worth (aka fear worthy).   

Unfortunately social media has the ability to pressure groups and politicians into making rash decisions.  Fortunately, along with public perception, those same politicians are also just as concerned with money.  I just hope they realize the amount of money to their economy that would be lost will be enough to out weight needing to gain public perception by imposing ridiculous large gathering/travel bans (ex the CDN government felt the public pressure on the railroad barricades until ultimately the money spoke. I know that also caused some panic around here).   

I do have some experience in microbiology so I can appreciate the impact that bacteria and viruses can have. I understand that quarantine is necessary for some cases/areas with inadequate health care but some statements I've seen recently seem a bit over the top. I believe certain demographics need to be more cautious with their exposure to ANY strain of bacteria/virus but to blanket this treatment to the mass population is nuts. 

It's not hard to find some quick info to ease my mind, I just hope others are as critically thinking as we need to be in this era. 

We've all survived the deadly outbreaks of the past but do you remember just how deadly they were?  Just a couple of quick stats;  

• SARS had a fatality rate that was 5 times what the COVID rate is at this stage.  Squashed out within months with any major disruptions.
• H1N1 killed over 12,000 people in the US during the first year in transmission, infected 60 million in the US, and hospitalized a quarter million of them.  It spread so quickly we just gave up and it's now just another seasonal flu that circulates.  Not sexy enough for the media anymore though. 
• Speaking of the flu, it's killed at least 18,000 Americans so far THIS season according to the CDC.    

Wash your hands and don't be afraid to live your life. Read into things and you'll realized that the US cases/deaths hitting the news this week are all from the same nursing home in the Seattle area which is now refusing visitors. To my knowledge, most nursing homes have similar protocol when the common flu/cold hit their complex due to the age and compromised immune system of residents. The media likes to leave those details out of the headline though.     

If you don't understand a story then please don't make statements like "NCAA is considering playing to empty stadiums" when there is only a group lobbying for that to happen. Or that one guy thinks the Olympics shouldn't go on.  Some people believe this shit and run with it.. that's when we see things snow ball and the old school game of telephone happens.  

I'll be at my shows and travelling both worry & mask free.  I'll do my best not to take advantage this hype and use a few fake coughs/sneezes to gain more personal space in the airports/pit but no promises 

elvistheking44

YourLightMadeUsStars said:

If you can't tell by my post count, I don't do the social media thing very much. One of the main reasons is that it's so hard to sift through the bullshit and fear mongering in attempts to make you either click something or buy something.  Sometimes I miss the old blissfully ignorant days.. like when I wouldn't even know Wuhan China existed unless I went to the old encyclopedia or atlas and looked in the W section. Back then I feel like something like this would fizzle out without ever being sensationalized - life would go on without the unnecessary fear.  Now it's shoved down your throat and information tends to travel by whatever's news worth (aka fear worthy).   

Unfortunately social media has the ability to pressure groups and politicians into making rash decisions.  Fortunately, along with public perception, those same politicians are also just as concerned with money.  I just hope they realize the amount of money to their economy that would be lost will be enough to out weight needing to gain public perception by imposing ridiculous large gathering/travel bans (ex the CDN government felt the public pressure on the railroad barricades until ultimately the money spoke. I know that also caused some panic around here).   

I do have some experience in microbiology so I can appreciate the impact that bacteria and viruses can have. I understand that quarantine is necessary for some cases/areas with inadequate health care but some statements I've seen recently seem a bit over the top. I believe certain demographics need to be more cautious with their exposure to ANY strain of bacteria/virus but to blanket this treatment to the mass population is nuts. 

It's not hard to find some quick info to ease my mind, I just hope others are as critically thinking as we need to be in this era. 

We've all survived the deadly outbreaks of the past but do you remember just how deadly they were?  Just a couple of quick stats;  

• SARS had a fatality rate that was 5 times what the COVID rate is at this stage.  Squashed out within months with any major disruptions.
• H1N1 killed over 12,000 people in the US during the first year in transmission, infected 60 million in the US, and hospitalized a quarter million of them.  It spread so quickly we just gave up and it's now just another seasonal flu that circulates.  Not sexy enough for the media anymore though. 
• Speaking of the flu, it's killed at least 18,000 Americans so far THIS season according to the CDC.    

Wash your hands and don't be afraid to live your life. Read into things and you'll realized that the US cases/deaths hitting the news this week are all from the same nursing home in the Seattle area which is now refusing visitors. To my knowledge, most nursing homes have similar protocol when the common flu/cold hit their complex due to the age and compromised immune system of residents. The media likes to leave those details out of the headline though.     

If you don't understand a story then please don't make statements like "NCAA is considering playing to empty stadiums" when there is only a group lobbying for that to happen. Or that one guy thinks the Olympics shouldn't go on.  Some people believe this shit and run with it.. that's when we see things snow ball and the old school game of telephone happens.  

I'll be at my shows and travelling both worry & mask free.  I'll do my best not to take advantage this hype and use a few fake coughs/sneezes to gain more personal space in the airports/pit but no promises 

BRAVO!!!

AmishGuy91

YourLightMadeUsStars said:

We've all survived the deadly outbreaks of the past but do you remember just how deadly they were?  Just a couple of quick stats;  

• SARS had a fatality rate that was 5 times what the COVID rate is at this stage.  Squashed out within months with any major disruptions.
• H1N1 killed over 12,000 people in the US during the first year in transmission, infected 60 million in the US, and hospitalized a quarter million of them.  It spread so quickly we just gave up and it's now just another seasonal flu that circulates.  Not sexy enough for the media anymore though. 
• Speaking of the flu, it's killed at least 18,000 Americans so far THIS season according to the CDC.    

Wash your hands and don't be afraid to live your life. Read into things and you'll realized that the US cases/deaths hitting the news this week are all from the same nursing home in the Seattle area which is now refusing visitors. To my knowledge, most nursing homes have similar protocol when the common flu/cold hit their complex due to the age and compromised immune system of residents. The media likes to leave those details out of the headline though.     

If you don't understand a story then please don't make statements like "NCAA is considering playing to empty stadiums" when there is only a group lobbying for that to happen. Or that one guy thinks the Olympics shouldn't go on.  Some people believe this shit and run with it.. that's when we see things snow ball and the old school game of telephone happens.  

You had me until you compared it to the flu, a virus we know much more about and have a vaccine for.  The fear of Corona is the unknown, but yeah in a few months it will most likely have faded away.  

bbiggs

AmishGuy91 said:

YourLightMadeUsStars said:

We've all survived the deadly outbreaks of the past but do you remember just how deadly they were?  Just a couple of quick stats;  

• SARS had a fatality rate that was 5 times what the COVID rate is at this stage.  Squashed out within months with any major disruptions.
• H1N1 killed over 12,000 people in the US during the first year in transmission, infected 60 million in the US, and hospitalized a quarter million of them.  It spread so quickly we just gave up and it's now just another seasonal flu that circulates.  Not sexy enough for the media anymore though. 
• Speaking of the flu, it's killed at least 18,000 Americans so far THIS season according to the CDC.    

Wash your hands and don't be afraid to live your life. Read into things and you'll realized that the US cases/deaths hitting the news this week are all from the same nursing home in the Seattle area which is now refusing visitors. To my knowledge, most nursing homes have similar protocol when the common flu/cold hit their complex due to the age and compromised immune system of residents. The media likes to leave those details out of the headline though.     

If you don't understand a story then please don't make statements like "NCAA is considering playing to empty stadiums" when there is only a group lobbying for that to happen. Or that one guy thinks the Olympics shouldn't go on.  Some people believe this shit and run with it.. that's when we see things snow ball and the old school game of telephone happens.  

You had me until you compared it to the flu, a virus we know much more about and have a vaccine for.  The fear of Corona is the unknown, but yeah in a few months it will most likely have faded away.  

Just long enough to potentially derail parts of the tour. I’m locked and loaded for 3 shows in Spring and the hopes of more in Fall, so I sure hope not. The trajectory of this in the media, whether warranted or not, is not looking good so far. 

chiwhitesox

YourLightMadeUsStars said:

If you can't tell by my post count, I don't do the social media thing very much. One of the main reasons is that it's so hard to sift through the bullshit and fear mongering in attempts to make you either click something or buy something.  Sometimes I miss the old blissfully ignorant days.. like when I wouldn't even know Wuhan China existed unless I went to the old encyclopedia or atlas and looked in the W section. Back then I feel like something like this would fizzle out without ever being sensationalized - life would go on without the unnecessary fear.  Now it's shoved down your throat and information tends to travel by whatever's news worth (aka fear worthy).   

Unfortunately social media has the ability to pressure groups and politicians into making rash decisions.  Fortunately, along with public perception, those same politicians are also just as concerned with money.  I just hope they realize the amount of money to their economy that would be lost will be enough to out weight needing to gain public perception by imposing ridiculous large gathering/travel bans (ex the CDN government felt the public pressure on the railroad barricades until ultimately the money spoke. I know that also caused some panic around here).   

I do have some experience in microbiology so I can appreciate the impact that bacteria and viruses can have. I understand that quarantine is necessary for some cases/areas with inadequate health care but some statements I've seen recently seem a bit over the top. I believe certain demographics need to be more cautious with their exposure to ANY strain of bacteria/virus but to blanket this treatment to the mass population is nuts. 

It's not hard to find some quick info to ease my mind, I just hope others are as critically thinking as we need to be in this era. 

We've all survived the deadly outbreaks of the past but do you remember just how deadly they were?  Just a couple of quick stats;  

• SARS had a fatality rate that was 5 times what the COVID rate is at this stage.  Squashed out within months with any major disruptions.
• H1N1 killed over 12,000 people in the US during the first year in transmission, infected 60 million in the US, and hospitalized a quarter million of them.  It spread so quickly we just gave up and it's now just another seasonal flu that circulates.  Not sexy enough for the media anymore though. 
• Speaking of the flu, it's killed at least 18,000 Americans so far THIS season according to the CDC.    

Wash your hands and don't be afraid to live your life. Read into things and you'll realized that the US cases/deaths hitting the news this week are all from the same nursing home in the Seattle area which is now refusing visitors. To my knowledge, most nursing homes have similar protocol when the common flu/cold hit their complex due to the age and compromised immune system of residents. The media likes to leave those details out of the headline though.     

If you don't understand a story then please don't make statements like "NCAA is considering playing to empty stadiums" when there is only a group lobbying for that to happen. Or that one guy thinks the Olympics shouldn't go on.  Some people believe this shit and run with it.. that's when we see things snow ball and the old school game of telephone happens.  

I'll be at my shows and travelling both worry & mask free.  I'll do my best not to take advantage this hype and use a few fake coughs/sneezes to gain more personal space in the airports/pit but no promises 

Thank You! Excellent post! Very well said!

mattsavard

Indifference said:

myoung321 said:

mattsavard said:

O_G_D said:

(lame meme)

I'm not sure what's more annoying... Your attempt to politicize a burgeoning pandemic, or your 32 line signature. 

I vote signature... just a little over the top.. Other than Australia, they're all in the Northeast..  

plus just 32 shows pff.:-)

123 shows... 2 lines in his sig. Bravo @Indifference !  

Lerxst1992

O_G_D said:

mattsavard said:

O_G_D said:

(lame meme)

I'm not sure what's more annoying... Your attempt to politicize a burgeoning pandemic, or your 32 line signature. 

Take comfort in the fact that it was going to be 36 lines after March but that’s really looking in Jeopardy now.  So you might be spared.

As long as there will be editing, getting MSG out of the plural and into the singular would be much appreciated!

 Impressive list!

RatherStarved

YourLightMadeUsStars said:

If you can't tell by my post count, I don't do the social media thing very much. One of the main reasons is that it's so hard to sift through the bullshit and fear mongering in attempts to make you either click something or buy something.  Sometimes I miss the old blissfully ignorant days.. like when I wouldn't even know Wuhan China existed unless I went to the old encyclopedia or atlas and looked in the W section. Back then I feel like something like this would fizzle out without ever being sensationalized - life would go on without the unnecessary fear.  Now it's shoved down your throat and information tends to travel by whatever's news worth (aka fear worthy).   

Unfortunately social media has the ability to pressure groups and politicians into making rash decisions.  Fortunately, along with public perception, those same politicians are also just as concerned with money.  I just hope they realize the amount of money to their economy that would be lost will be enough to out weight needing to gain public perception by imposing ridiculous large gathering/travel bans (ex the CDN government felt the public pressure on the railroad barricades until ultimately the money spoke. I know that also caused some panic around here).   

I do have some experience in microbiology so I can appreciate the impact that bacteria and viruses can have. I understand that quarantine is necessary for some cases/areas with inadequate health care but some statements I've seen recently seem a bit over the top. I believe certain demographics need to be more cautious with their exposure to ANY strain of bacteria/virus but to blanket this treatment to the mass population is nuts. 

It's not hard to find some quick info to ease my mind, I just hope others are as critically thinking as we need to be in this era. 

We've all survived the deadly outbreaks of the past but do you remember just how deadly they were?  Just a couple of quick stats;  

• SARS had a fatality rate that was 5 times what the COVID rate is at this stage.  Squashed out within months with any major disruptions.
• H1N1 killed over 12,000 people in the US during the first year in transmission, infected 60 million in the US, and hospitalized a quarter million of them.  It spread so quickly we just gave up and it's now just another seasonal flu that circulates.  Not sexy enough for the media anymore though. 
• Speaking of the flu, it's killed at least 18,000 Americans so far THIS season according to the CDC.    

Wash your hands and don't be afraid to live your life. Read into things and you'll realized that the US cases/deaths hitting the news this week are all from the same nursing home in the Seattle area which is now refusing visitors. To my knowledge, most nursing homes have similar protocol when the common flu/cold hit their complex due to the age and compromised immune system of residents. The media likes to leave those details out of the headline though.     

If you don't understand a story then please don't make statements like "NCAA is considering playing to empty stadiums" when there is only a group lobbying for that to happen. Or that one guy thinks the Olympics shouldn't go on.  Some people believe this shit and run with it.. that's when we see things snow ball and the old school game of telephone happens.  

I'll be at my shows and travelling both worry & mask free.  I'll do my best not to take advantage this hype and use a few fake coughs/sneezes to gain more personal space in the airports/pit but no promises 

In regards to March Madness, yes an outside group recommended that NCAA consider playing in empty arenas.  You are right.  Clearly it is silly to suggest the NCAA is actually considering all the options. 

PureandEasy

YourLightMadeUsStars said:

If you can't tell by my post count, I don't do the social media thing very much. One of the main reasons is that it's so hard to sift through the bullshit and fear mongering in attempts to make you either click something or buy something.  Sometimes I miss the old blissfully ignorant days.. like when I wouldn't even know Wuhan China existed unless I went to the old encyclopedia or atlas and looked in the W section. Back then I feel like something like this would fizzle out without ever being sensationalized - life would go on without the unnecessary fear.  Now it's shoved down your throat and information tends to travel by whatever's news worth (aka fear worthy).   

Unfortunately social media has the ability to pressure groups and politicians into making rash decisions.  Fortunately, along with public perception, those same politicians are also just as concerned with money.  I just hope they realize the amount of money to their economy that would be lost will be enough to out weight needing to gain public perception by imposing ridiculous large gathering/travel bans (ex the CDN government felt the public pressure on the railroad barricades until ultimately the money spoke. I know that also caused some panic around here).   

I do have some experience in microbiology so I can appreciate the impact that bacteria and viruses can have. I understand that quarantine is necessary for some cases/areas with inadequate health care but some statements I've seen recently seem a bit over the top. I believe certain demographics need to be more cautious with their exposure to ANY strain of bacteria/virus but to blanket this treatment to the mass population is nuts. 

It's not hard to find some quick info to ease my mind, I just hope others are as critically thinking as we need to be in this era. 

We've all survived the deadly outbreaks of the past but do you remember just how deadly they were?  Just a couple of quick stats;  

• SARS had a fatality rate that was 5 times what the COVID rate is at this stage.  Squashed out within months with any major disruptions.
• H1N1 killed over 12,000 people in the US during the first year in transmission, infected 60 million in the US, and hospitalized a quarter million of them.  It spread so quickly we just gave up and it's now just another seasonal flu that circulates.  Not sexy enough for the media anymore though. 
• Speaking of the flu, it's killed at least 18,000 Americans so far THIS season according to the CDC.    

Wash your hands and don't be afraid to live your life. Read into things and you'll realized that the US cases/deaths hitting the news this week are all from the same nursing home in the Seattle area which is now refusing visitors. To my knowledge, most nursing homes have similar protocol when the common flu/cold hit their complex due to the age and compromised immune system of residents. The media likes to leave those details out of the headline though.     

If you don't understand a story then please don't make statements like "NCAA is considering playing to empty stadiums" when there is only a group lobbying for that to happen. Or that one guy thinks the Olympics shouldn't go on.  Some people believe this shit and run with it.. that's when we see things snow ball and the old school game of telephone happens.  

I'll be at my shows and travelling both worry & mask free.  I'll do my best not to take advantage this hype and use a few fake coughs/sneezes to gain more personal space in the airports/pit but no promises 

So you have experience in microbiology . . . 

One way to alleviate transmission of a contagious virus is to limit large groups of people congregating.  Eliminate people sharing air space on public transportation - any form of public transportation.

It's common sense.  I'm not saying this is at this level, but it could be very quickly.  Nothing wrong with prevention.  

THEBIBLEISTEN

The news is trying to get people to read their scary headlines. I understand this is serious but don’t freak out people. And don’t believe the idiot in the White House. The positive spin to this crisis is that it will help get trump not elected. Guy is a total moron.

given2fly23

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

The news is trying to get people to read their scary headlines. I understand this is serious but don’t freak out people. And don’t believe the idiot in the White House. The positive spin to this crisis is that it will help get trump not elected. Guy is a total moron.

I'm a germophobe. If you told me that if someone with Corona coughs on me directly, in my face, Trump will not get re-elected, I would take that deal in a second, no hesitation. 

myoung321

given2fly23 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

The news is trying to get people to read their scary headlines. I understand this is serious but don’t freak out people. And don’t believe the idiot in the White House. The positive spin to this crisis is that it will help get trump not elected. Guy is a total moron.

I'm a germophobe. If you told me that if someone with Corona coughs on me directly, in my face, Trump will not get re-elected, I would take that deal in a second, no hesitation. 

That's brave, thank you for taking one for humanity  

PB11041

AmishGuy91 said:

YourLightMadeUsStars said:

We've all survived the deadly outbreaks of the past but do you remember just how deadly they were?  Just a couple of quick stats;  

• SARS had a fatality rate that was 5 times what the COVID rate is at this stage.  Squashed out within months with any major disruptions.
• H1N1 killed over 12,000 people in the US during the first year in transmission, infected 60 million in the US, and hospitalized a quarter million of them.  It spread so quickly we just gave up and it's now just another seasonal flu that circulates.  Not sexy enough for the media anymore though. 
• Speaking of the flu, it's killed at least 18,000 Americans so far THIS season according to the CDC.    

Wash your hands and don't be afraid to live your life. Read into things and you'll realized that the US cases/deaths hitting the news this week are all from the same nursing home in the Seattle area which is now refusing visitors. To my knowledge, most nursing homes have similar protocol when the common flu/cold hit their complex due to the age and compromised immune system of residents. The media likes to leave those details out of the headline though.     

If you don't understand a story then please don't make statements like "NCAA is considering playing to empty stadiums" when there is only a group lobbying for that to happen. Or that one guy thinks the Olympics shouldn't go on.  Some people believe this shit and run with it.. that's when we see things snow ball and the old school game of telephone happens.  

You had me until you compared it to the flu, a virus we know much more about and have a vaccine for.  The fear of Corona is the unknown, but yeah in a few months it will most likely have faded away.  

So here is an example of distorted information.  The H1N1 pandemic of 2009-10 did not have a vaccine available until about 7 months into that in October of 2009.  The first mass doses were not available until December.  

Flu vaccines for seasonal flu (of which novel H1N1 is now a permanent seasonal strain - and quite ferocious still) are roughly 40% to 60% effective.   You should still get them, but they are not a cure all.

The most likely real dilemma of COVID-19 is that it is undoubtedly going to put a strain on medical resources for the coming months, and that it will become a permanent seasonal virus that has highly negative impact rates on people above 65 years of age.  

The best case scenario is that COVID-19 burns out, but that is ridiculously unlikely.   So the most long term problem on the horizon is that seasonal influenza and seasonal corona virus will both be occurring simultaneously which puts a strain on containment of new novel viruses in either families.

mace1229

YourLightMadeUsStars said:

If you can't tell by my post count, I don't do the social media thing very much. One of the main reasons is that it's so hard to sift through the bullshit and fear mongering in attempts to make you either click something or buy something.  Sometimes I miss the old blissfully ignorant days.. like when I wouldn't even know Wuhan China existed unless I went to the old encyclopedia or atlas and looked in the W section. Back then I feel like something like this would fizzle out without ever being sensationalized - life would go on without the unnecessary fear.  Now it's shoved down your throat and information tends to travel by whatever's news worth (aka fear worthy).   

Unfortunately social media has the ability to pressure groups and politicians into making rash decisions.  Fortunately, along with public perception, those same politicians are also just as concerned with money.  I just hope they realize the amount of money to their economy that would be lost will be enough to out weight needing to gain public perception by imposing ridiculous large gathering/travel bans (ex the CDN government felt the public pressure on the railroad barricades until ultimately the money spoke. I know that also caused some panic around here).   

I do have some experience in microbiology so I can appreciate the impact that bacteria and viruses can have. I understand that quarantine is necessary for some cases/areas with inadequate health care but some statements I've seen recently seem a bit over the top. I believe certain demographics need to be more cautious with their exposure to ANY strain of bacteria/virus but to blanket this treatment to the mass population is nuts. 

It's not hard to find some quick info to ease my mind, I just hope others are as critically thinking as we need to be in this era. 

We've all survived the deadly outbreaks of the past but do you remember just how deadly they were?  Just a couple of quick stats;  

• SARS had a fatality rate that was 5 times what the COVID rate is at this stage.  Squashed out within months with any major disruptions.
• H1N1 killed over 12,000 people in the US during the first year in transmission, infected 60 million in the US, and hospitalized a quarter million of them.  It spread so quickly we just gave up and it's now just another seasonal flu that circulates.  Not sexy enough for the media anymore though. 
• Speaking of the flu, it's killed at least 18,000 Americans so far THIS season according to the CDC.    

Wash your hands and don't be afraid to live your life. Read into things and you'll realized that the US cases/deaths hitting the news this week are all from the same nursing home in the Seattle area which is now refusing visitors. To my knowledge, most nursing homes have similar protocol when the common flu/cold hit their complex due to the age and compromised immune system of residents. The media likes to leave those details out of the headline though.     

If you don't understand a story then please don't make statements like "NCAA is considering playing to empty stadiums" when there is only a group lobbying for that to happen. Or that one guy thinks the Olympics shouldn't go on.  Some people believe this shit and run with it.. that's when we see things snow ball and the old school game of telephone happens.  

I'll be at my shows and travelling both worry & mask free.  I'll do my best not to take advantage this hype and use a few fake coughs/sneezes to gain more personal space in the airports/pit but no promises 

I agree with that last paragraph, I’ll do the same. 

But it isn’t far-fetched to worry about March madness or the olympics or these shows. Japan is pushing to close all schools for a month, their officials have also stated fear for the olympics. This isn’t 1 dude spreading fear on social media, this is real.
Timing really couldn’t be worse for the spring tour. With the number of communal cases and deaths slowly rising that means it could be a big issue in a week or 2, just before the start of the tour. 

Now I personally believe that won’t be the case, that in a year from now we’ll look back are resize this is even 1/10 the problem of what the yearly flu is. But the truth is we just don’t know, and if my uneducated guess is wrong, all those things can easily happen.

jimjam1982

PureandEasy said:

YourLightMadeUsStars said:

If you can't tell by my post count, I don't do the social media thing very much. One of the main reasons is that it's so hard to sift through the bullshit and fear mongering in attempts to make you either click something or buy something.  Sometimes I miss the old blissfully ignorant days.. like when I wouldn't even know Wuhan China existed unless I went to the old encyclopedia or atlas and looked in the W section. Back then I feel like something like this would fizzle out without ever being sensationalized - life would go on without the unnecessary fear.  Now it's shoved down your throat and information tends to travel by whatever's news worth (aka fear worthy).   

Unfortunately social media has the ability to pressure groups and politicians into making rash decisions.  Fortunately, along with public perception, those same politicians are also just as concerned with money.  I just hope they realize the amount of money to their economy that would be lost will be enough to out weight needing to gain public perception by imposing ridiculous large gathering/travel bans (ex the CDN government felt the public pressure on the railroad barricades until ultimately the money spoke. I know that also caused some panic around here).   

I do have some experience in microbiology so I can appreciate the impact that bacteria and viruses can have. I understand that quarantine is necessary for some cases/areas with inadequate health care but some statements I've seen recently seem a bit over the top. I believe certain demographics need to be more cautious with their exposure to ANY strain of bacteria/virus but to blanket this treatment to the mass population is nuts. 

It's not hard to find some quick info to ease my mind, I just hope others are as critically thinking as we need to be in this era. 

We've all survived the deadly outbreaks of the past but do you remember just how deadly they were?  Just a couple of quick stats;  

• SARS had a fatality rate that was 5 times what the COVID rate is at this stage.  Squashed out within months with any major disruptions.
• H1N1 killed over 12,000 people in the US during the first year in transmission, infected 60 million in the US, and hospitalized a quarter million of them.  It spread so quickly we just gave up and it's now just another seasonal flu that circulates.  Not sexy enough for the media anymore though. 
• Speaking of the flu, it's killed at least 18,000 Americans so far THIS season according to the CDC.    

Wash your hands and don't be afraid to live your life. Read into things and you'll realized that the US cases/deaths hitting the news this week are all from the same nursing home in the Seattle area which is now refusing visitors. To my knowledge, most nursing homes have similar protocol when the common flu/cold hit their complex due to the age and compromised immune system of residents. The media likes to leave those details out of the headline though.     

If you don't understand a story then please don't make statements like "NCAA is considering playing to empty stadiums" when there is only a group lobbying for that to happen. Or that one guy thinks the Olympics shouldn't go on.  Some people believe this shit and run with it.. that's when we see things snow ball and the old school game of telephone happens.  

I'll be at my shows and travelling both worry & mask free.  I'll do my best not to take advantage this hype and use a few fake coughs/sneezes to gain more personal space in the airports/pit but no promises 

So you have experience in microbiology . . . 

One way to alleviate transmission of a contagious virus is to limit large groups of people congregating.  Eliminate people sharing air space on public transportation - any form of public transportation.

It's common sense.  I'm not saying this is at this level, but it could be very quickly.  Nothing wrong with prevention.  

You cant transmit Corona via air. So sharing air space means nothing. Thanks for playing fear mongering 101 today.

YAKIMATSU

jimjam1982 said:

PureandEasy said:

YourLightMadeUsStars said:

If you can't tell by my post count, I don't do the social media thing very much. One of the main reasons is that it's so hard to sift through the bullshit and fear mongering in attempts to make you either click something or buy something.  Sometimes I miss the old blissfully ignorant days.. like when I wouldn't even know Wuhan China existed unless I went to the old encyclopedia or atlas and looked in the W section. Back then I feel like something like this would fizzle out without ever being sensationalized - life would go on without the unnecessary fear.  Now it's shoved down your throat and information tends to travel by whatever's news worth (aka fear worthy).   

Unfortunately social media has the ability to pressure groups and politicians into making rash decisions.  Fortunately, along with public perception, those same politicians are also just as concerned with money.  I just hope they realize the amount of money to their economy that would be lost will be enough to out weight needing to gain public perception by imposing ridiculous large gathering/travel bans (ex the CDN government felt the public pressure on the railroad barricades until ultimately the money spoke. I know that also caused some panic around here).   

I do have some experience in microbiology so I can appreciate the impact that bacteria and viruses can have. I understand that quarantine is necessary for some cases/areas with inadequate health care but some statements I've seen recently seem a bit over the top. I believe certain demographics need to be more cautious with their exposure to ANY strain of bacteria/virus but to blanket this treatment to the mass population is nuts. 

It's not hard to find some quick info to ease my mind, I just hope others are as critically thinking as we need to be in this era. 

We've all survived the deadly outbreaks of the past but do you remember just how deadly they were?  Just a couple of quick stats;  

• SARS had a fatality rate that was 5 times what the COVID rate is at this stage.  Squashed out within months with any major disruptions.
• H1N1 killed over 12,000 people in the US during the first year in transmission, infected 60 million in the US, and hospitalized a quarter million of them.  It spread so quickly we just gave up and it's now just another seasonal flu that circulates.  Not sexy enough for the media anymore though. 
• Speaking of the flu, it's killed at least 18,000 Americans so far THIS season according to the CDC.    

Wash your hands and don't be afraid to live your life. Read into things and you'll realized that the US cases/deaths hitting the news this week are all from the same nursing home in the Seattle area which is now refusing visitors. To my knowledge, most nursing homes have similar protocol when the common flu/cold hit their complex due to the age and compromised immune system of residents. The media likes to leave those details out of the headline though.     

If you don't understand a story then please don't make statements like "NCAA is considering playing to empty stadiums" when there is only a group lobbying for that to happen. Or that one guy thinks the Olympics shouldn't go on.  Some people believe this shit and run with it.. that's when we see things snow ball and the old school game of telephone happens.  

I'll be at my shows and travelling both worry & mask free.  I'll do my best not to take advantage this hype and use a few fake coughs/sneezes to gain more personal space in the airports/pit but no promises 

So you have experience in microbiology . . . 

One way to alleviate transmission of a contagious virus is to limit large groups of people congregating.  Eliminate people sharing air space on public transportation - any form of public transportation.

It's common sense.  I'm not saying this is at this level, but it could be very quickly.  Nothing wrong with prevention.  

You cant transmit Corona via air. So sharing air space means nothing. Thanks for playing fear mongering 101 today.

And thank you for fact misleading. Droplets in a sneeze or cough, that NEVER happens, through the air is how it transmits.  Calling fear mongering while misleading facts is evil and cruel. Some might call that trolling. 

jimjam1982

YAKIMATSU said:

jimjam1982 said:

PureandEasy said:

YourLightMadeUsStars said:

If you can't tell by my post count, I don't do the social media thing very much. One of the main reasons is that it's so hard to sift through the bullshit and fear mongering in attempts to make you either click something or buy something.  Sometimes I miss the old blissfully ignorant days.. like when I wouldn't even know Wuhan China existed unless I went to the old encyclopedia or atlas and looked in the W section. Back then I feel like something like this would fizzle out without ever being sensationalized - life would go on without the unnecessary fear.  Now it's shoved down your throat and information tends to travel by whatever's news worth (aka fear worthy).   

Unfortunately social media has the ability to pressure groups and politicians into making rash decisions.  Fortunately, along with public perception, those same politicians are also just as concerned with money.  I just hope they realize the amount of money to their economy that would be lost will be enough to out weight needing to gain public perception by imposing ridiculous large gathering/travel bans (ex the CDN government felt the public pressure on the railroad barricades until ultimately the money spoke. I know that also caused some panic around here).   

I do have some experience in microbiology so I can appreciate the impact that bacteria and viruses can have. I understand that quarantine is necessary for some cases/areas with inadequate health care but some statements I've seen recently seem a bit over the top. I believe certain demographics need to be more cautious with their exposure to ANY strain of bacteria/virus but to blanket this treatment to the mass population is nuts. 

It's not hard to find some quick info to ease my mind, I just hope others are as critically thinking as we need to be in this era. 

We've all survived the deadly outbreaks of the past but do you remember just how deadly they were?  Just a couple of quick stats;  

• SARS had a fatality rate that was 5 times what the COVID rate is at this stage.  Squashed out within months with any major disruptions.
• H1N1 killed over 12,000 people in the US during the first year in transmission, infected 60 million in the US, and hospitalized a quarter million of them.  It spread so quickly we just gave up and it's now just another seasonal flu that circulates.  Not sexy enough for the media anymore though. 
• Speaking of the flu, it's killed at least 18,000 Americans so far THIS season according to the CDC.    

Wash your hands and don't be afraid to live your life. Read into things and you'll realized that the US cases/deaths hitting the news this week are all from the same nursing home in the Seattle area which is now refusing visitors. To my knowledge, most nursing homes have similar protocol when the common flu/cold hit their complex due to the age and compromised immune system of residents. The media likes to leave those details out of the headline though.     

If you don't understand a story then please don't make statements like "NCAA is considering playing to empty stadiums" when there is only a group lobbying for that to happen. Or that one guy thinks the Olympics shouldn't go on.  Some people believe this shit and run with it.. that's when we see things snow ball and the old school game of telephone happens.  

I'll be at my shows and travelling both worry & mask free.  I'll do my best not to take advantage this hype and use a few fake coughs/sneezes to gain more personal space in the airports/pit but no promises 

So you have experience in microbiology . . . 

One way to alleviate transmission of a contagious virus is to limit large groups of people congregating.  Eliminate people sharing air space on public transportation - any form of public transportation.

It's common sense.  I'm not saying this is at this level, but it could be very quickly.  Nothing wrong with prevention.  

You cant transmit Corona via air. So sharing air space means nothing. Thanks for playing fear mongering 101 today.

And thank you for fact misleading. Droplets in a sneeze or cough, that NEVER happens, through the air is how it transmits.  Calling fear mongering while misleading facts is evil and cruel. Some might call that trolling. 

You have to sneeze or cough. Which transmits via moisture or droplets. You cannot breath it on to someone else; thus, not transmittable via air. Must be in the form of droplets 

tdawe

jimjam1982 said:

YAKIMATSU said:

jimjam1982 said:

PureandEasy said:

YourLightMadeUsStars said:

If you can't tell by my post count, I don't do the social media thing very much. One of the main reasons is that it's so hard to sift through the bullshit and fear mongering in attempts to make you either click something or buy something.  Sometimes I miss the old blissfully ignorant days.. like when I wouldn't even know Wuhan China existed unless I went to the old encyclopedia or atlas and looked in the W section. Back then I feel like something like this would fizzle out without ever being sensationalized - life would go on without the unnecessary fear.  Now it's shoved down your throat and information tends to travel by whatever's news worth (aka fear worthy).   

Unfortunately social media has the ability to pressure groups and politicians into making rash decisions.  Fortunately, along with public perception, those same politicians are also just as concerned with money.  I just hope they realize the amount of money to their economy that would be lost will be enough to out weight needing to gain public perception by imposing ridiculous large gathering/travel bans (ex the CDN government felt the public pressure on the railroad barricades until ultimately the money spoke. I know that also caused some panic around here).   

I do have some experience in microbiology so I can appreciate the impact that bacteria and viruses can have. I understand that quarantine is necessary for some cases/areas with inadequate health care but some statements I've seen recently seem a bit over the top. I believe certain demographics need to be more cautious with their exposure to ANY strain of bacteria/virus but to blanket this treatment to the mass population is nuts. 

It's not hard to find some quick info to ease my mind, I just hope others are as critically thinking as we need to be in this era. 

We've all survived the deadly outbreaks of the past but do you remember just how deadly they were?  Just a couple of quick stats;  

• SARS had a fatality rate that was 5 times what the COVID rate is at this stage.  Squashed out within months with any major disruptions.
• H1N1 killed over 12,000 people in the US during the first year in transmission, infected 60 million in the US, and hospitalized a quarter million of them.  It spread so quickly we just gave up and it's now just another seasonal flu that circulates.  Not sexy enough for the media anymore though. 
• Speaking of the flu, it's killed at least 18,000 Americans so far THIS season according to the CDC.    

Wash your hands and don't be afraid to live your life. Read into things and you'll realized that the US cases/deaths hitting the news this week are all from the same nursing home in the Seattle area which is now refusing visitors. To my knowledge, most nursing homes have similar protocol when the common flu/cold hit their complex due to the age and compromised immune system of residents. The media likes to leave those details out of the headline though.     

If you don't understand a story then please don't make statements like "NCAA is considering playing to empty stadiums" when there is only a group lobbying for that to happen. Or that one guy thinks the Olympics shouldn't go on.  Some people believe this shit and run with it.. that's when we see things snow ball and the old school game of telephone happens.  

I'll be at my shows and travelling both worry & mask free.  I'll do my best not to take advantage this hype and use a few fake coughs/sneezes to gain more personal space in the airports/pit but no promises 

So you have experience in microbiology . . . 

One way to alleviate transmission of a contagious virus is to limit large groups of people congregating.  Eliminate people sharing air space on public transportation - any form of public transportation.

It's common sense.  I'm not saying this is at this level, but it could be very quickly.  Nothing wrong with prevention.  

You cant transmit Corona via air. So sharing air space means nothing. Thanks for playing fear mongering 101 today.

And thank you for fact misleading. Droplets in a sneeze or cough, that NEVER happens, through the air is how it transmits.  Calling fear mongering while misleading facts is evil and cruel. Some might call that trolling. 

You have to sneeze or cough. Which transmits via moisture or droplets. You cannot breath it on to someone else; thus, not transmittable via air. Must be in the form of droplets 

So if we're making out and you sneeze or cough directly into my mouth, it would be fair to say that the moisture/droplets were not transmitted via air. Otherwise....?