Well I hope everything's a go for the Spring and Summer tours of this band. And that alot of people go and get to go. I wish you all well- and hope to see you there.
Do people understand how fucked this is? Our federal government isn't allowing people to be tested because that gasbag wants to keep the US numbers low so the market doesnt tank and threaten his re-election!
You've been a member here long enough to know it's more than a typical "rock forum".. many members like yourself have been here for many many years. Many know each other from shows, pre-shows, trading posters, tickets, ..etc.etc.. In communities people talk ::shrug::
"The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
I work for a major healthcare provider in Southern California, and the admin office has been buzzing like crazy this week in preparing for the further spread of COVID-19. It seems to kill the very elderly and those with other serious illnesses, but younger people recover, in time. However, with that said, I'm not paranoid, but I'm being pro-active in how I interact with those in the public.
I'm going to show #2 in LA at the LA Forum, and I was previously irked that I didn't get general admission tickets. Now, I'm glad I don't, just a little peace of mind. But, I'm going to Coachella in April...
I'm also planning to fly to London for the Hyde Park show and barring massive flight cancellations and a huge outbreak in London, my ass is going to see PJ in London too.
Wash your hands, wash your hands, wash your hands! Masks only do so much because as per that email from a nurse posted earlier in this thread who treated a Covid-19 patient, had all the protective gear, but still got infected and is now in quarantine. The CDC is dicking her around in getting the test that will confirm she has it because their lame excuse is that she couldn't possibly be infected because she wore the protocol protective gear. WTF? The mismanagement of Coronavirus by this inept and corrupt administration is astonishing.
With that all said, I think if you have a strong immune system, and are under 70 and healthy if you catch it, and with medical care and quarantine, you'll recover.
I'm not a medical professional, but I work in an administrative position at a Fortune 100 health provider and I'm part of an active group that is trying to help inform our members and the general public about Covid-19. As far as I'm concerned, I'm going to rock out at both my upcoming PJ shows!
Post edited by whitepants on
~*~Me and Hippiemom dranketh the red wine in Cleveland 2003~*~
First PJ Show: March 20, 1994 | Ann Arbor | Crisler Arena
From Italy "10% of Cases requiring ICU / Ventilators due to hypoxic respiratory failure"
"We have seen a very high number of ICU admissions, almost entirely due to severe hypoxic respiratory failure requiring mechanical ventilation.
The surge can be important during an outbreak and cluster containment has to be in place to slow down virus transmission.
We are seeing a high percentage of positive cases being admitted to our Intensive Care Units, in the range of 10% of all positive patients.
We wish to convey a strong message: Get ready!"
Sadly we are royally screwing up cluster containment via CDC/Testing failures..... and we don't have a fraction of the needed ICU/Ventilators available to accommodate anything near 10% of cases coming down the pipleline. :(
#justaflubro
For what it’s worth, I thought I would attach another link that sheds light on the recovery from the illness as well.
To be clear, I’m not sure how I feel any more about the illness. Two weeks ago I was pretty cavalier in my response, now, I’m a little more nervous. I leave for a work convention Sunday in Las Vegas, which is still a go per an email I received tonight. The following week I I am leaving for Toronto. I also have tickets to Ottawa, Quebec City, OKC, both LA’s and Oakland’s.
No longer sure if I’ll be going to all, or any.
I am not posting this to be disagreeable, but I think it’s important to note that many are recovering with little, to no, need for medical care. I feel awful for the people suffering, and don’t mean to minimize or trivialize it, I’m just not certain (Nor is anyone else,) of all of the details surrounding this new disease yet, and am doing my best to seek out both sides of the story when I am able.
Daughter is flying out to Boston and then NYC afterwards. Gave that girl an N95 mask for the airports/plane rides. Not a fun time period to travel. Everyone just wants their family to stay healthy.
From Italy "10% of Cases requiring ICU / Ventilators due to hypoxic respiratory failure"
"We have seen a very high number of ICU admissions, almost entirely due to severe hypoxic respiratory failure requiring mechanical ventilation.
The surge can be important during an outbreak and cluster containment has to be in place to slow down virus transmission.
We are seeing a high percentage of positive cases being admitted to our Intensive Care Units, in the range of 10% of all positive patients.
We wish to convey a strong message: Get ready!"
Sadly we are royally screwing up cluster containment via CDC/Testing failures..... and we don't have a fraction of the needed ICU/Ventilators available to accommodate anything near 10% of cases coming down the pipleline. :(
#justaflubro
For what it’s worth, I thought I would attach another link that sheds light on the recovery from the illness as well.
To be clear, I’m not sure how I feel any more about the illness. Two weeks ago I was pretty cavalier in my response, now, I’m a little more nervous. I leave for a work convention Sunday in Las Vegas, which is still a go per an email I received tonight. The following week I I am leaving for Toronto. I also have tickets to Ottawa, Quebec City, OKC, both LA’s and Oakland’s.
No longer sure if I’ll be going to all, or any.
I am not posting this to be disagreeable, but I think it’s important to note that many are recovering with little, to no, need for medical care. I feel awful for the people suffering, and don’t mean to minimize or trivialize it, I’m just not certain (Nor is anyone else,) of all of the details surrounding this new disease yet, and am doing my best to seek out both sides of the story when I am able.
When things are good, it's absolutely primarily just the elderly who tend to succumb to this. By good, I mean the healthcare system is operating at or under capacity, and thus patient standard of care is optimal. When you have 10 patients and 12 ventilators, most will recover.
As someone with 70yo parents and a mother with diminished lung function, the elderly struggling gives me no comfort.
The concern is when cases spike, and hospitals are pushed beyond capacity. We only have so many ICU beds, and only so many ventilators. These are not cheap machines that we can just whip up. When you have 50 patients and only 12 ventilators, lots are going to die. Period.
Something like 25% of S Korean deaths were patients waiting for ICU beds or ventilators, and they have far more per capita than us. The biggest driver behind chinas much improved recovery rates is they are now back under capacity.
Bottom line, this won't be a big deal, until it is. If we reach a point where hospitals are saturated we will see fatalities among younger folks begin to climb (and they're currently ~90% capacity already, on average nationally, due to the flu season).
I say this in the context of possibly keeping an eye on those numbers when making your decision to go to shows. If tests are plentiful, and beds are too... it's easier to roll the dice and increase risk of getting infected by going to a show. If hospitals are getting overwhelmed, the risk/reward variables start shifting in the wrong direction for anyone paying attention to reality.
Not fun shit to talk about, but is relevant to fans deciding to attend shows or not.
Me, as of now I'm still flying to ottawa in 2 weeks
Post edited by mattsavard on
Memphis '94 / Charlotte '96 / Birmingham '98 / Knoxville '98 / Memphis '00 / Nashville '00 / Nashville '03 / St. Louis '04 / Nashville Ryman N1 '09 (EV solo) / Nashville Ryman N2 '09 (EV solo) / Memphis '09 (EV solo) / New Orleans Jazzfest '10 / St Louis '10 / Memphis '12 (EV solo) / Memphis '14 / Boston Fenway N1 '16 / Boston Fenway N2 '16 / Chicago Wrigley N1 '18 / Chicago Wrigley N2 '18 / Ottawa '22 / Quebec City '22 / Nashville '22 / St Louis '22
Strong 2nd Amendment supporter and advocate targeted methods of reducing gun violence, sans-infringement.
I am not sure why we are trying to prove our knowledge about this virus and/or the flu....how brave we are...if we could get sick...how it transmits etc...the fact of the matter is this...I am lucky to have gotten MSG tix....my job informed us today that if we travel to an area with confirmed cases that we are not allowed to return to work for 14 days upon returning. Sure, can I ignore that request? How would my company know? It isn’t even about that...I work in healthcare...what would I do if I returned and caused an outbreak in my facility? Over my favorite band, in the 1 venue that I finally get to see them? I am hopeful they postpone the early dates until this is under control.
Well after a thoroughly enjoyable last weekend in Auckland this one won't be so lively, especially as I take care of my 68 year old mother who has an auto immune disease among other things. A lot of wiping...
Stars are suns to other people.
Wellington 1998 London 2007 Brisbane 2009 Stockholm 2012
Amsterdam 1 & 2 2014 EV Dublin 2017 Milan 2018 Padova 2018 Boston 2 2018
I am not sure why we are trying to prove our knowledge about this virus and/or the flu....how brave we are...if we could get sick...how it transmits etc...the fact of the matter is this...I am lucky to have gotten MSG tix....my job informed us today that if we travel to an area with confirmed cases that we are not allowed to return to work for 14 days upon returning. Sure, can I ignore that request? How would my company know? It isn’t even about that...I work in healthcare...what would I do if I returned and caused an outbreak in my facility? Over my favorite band, in the 1 venue that I finally get to see them? I am hopeful they postpone the early dates until this is under control.
Damn man... that's a serious conundrum. Where do you live if you don't mind?
For me it's not trying to prove knowledge of anything. I saw things about this virus In the news very early on that indicated it was different, and even with all the issues it's caused in a short time some folks aren't taking it seriously enough.
I also saw risk to this tour early on... I have the best string of tickets I've had in nearly 30 years of being a fan. I am beyond amped for these shows (like many of us), but I was worried about how this virus would impact the tour, and wanted to discuss planning, ideas on how to prepare, etc. initially I was mocked by ignorant folks but thankfully more folks are taking it seriously now.
I Really hope you get to see them at MSG. I'm jealous as hell... definitely a bucket list show for me. I'm also glad you understand the responsibility we each have to try to take actions to avoid contributing to the spread of this disease. Thank you for working in healthcare... take care of yourself. Cheers
Memphis '94 / Charlotte '96 / Birmingham '98 / Knoxville '98 / Memphis '00 / Nashville '00 / Nashville '03 / St. Louis '04 / Nashville Ryman N1 '09 (EV solo) / Nashville Ryman N2 '09 (EV solo) / Memphis '09 (EV solo) / New Orleans Jazzfest '10 / St Louis '10 / Memphis '12 (EV solo) / Memphis '14 / Boston Fenway N1 '16 / Boston Fenway N2 '16 / Chicago Wrigley N1 '18 / Chicago Wrigley N2 '18 / Ottawa '22 / Quebec City '22 / Nashville '22 / St Louis '22
Strong 2nd Amendment supporter and advocate targeted methods of reducing gun violence, sans-infringement.
I am driving from NJ to Ottawa solo. I will be sitting in reserved seats close to the stage so hopefully that will keep my risk down. I purchased theater tickets in the back row for the Atmos Gigaton experience and am driving to MSG and sitting in nosebleed reserved seats. I think I will be OK.
I work for a major healthcare provider in Southern California, and the admin office has been buzzing like crazy this week in preparing for the further spread of COVID-19. It seems to kill the very elderly and those with other serious illnesses, but younger people recover, in time. However, with that said, I'm not paranoid, but I'm being pro-active in how I interact with those in the public.
I'm going to show #2 in LA at the LA Forum, and I was previously irked that I didn't get general admission tickets. Now, I'm glad I don't, just a little peace of mind. But, I'm going to Coachella in April...
I'm also planning to fly to London for the Hyde Park show and barring massive flight cancellations and a huge outbreak in London, my ass is going to see PJ in London too.
Wash your hands, wash your hands, wash your hands! Masks only do so much because as per that email from a nurse posted earlier in this thread who treated a Covid-19 patient, had all the protective gear, but still got infected and is now in quarantine. The CDC is dicking her around in getting the test that will confirm she has it because their lame excuse is that she couldn't possibly be infected because she wore the protocol protective gear. WTF? The mismanagement of Coronavirus by this inept and corrupt administration is astonishing.
With that all said, I think if you have a strong immune system, and are under 70 and healthy if you catch it, and with medical care and quarantine, you'll recover.
I'm not a medical professional, but I work in an administrative position at a Fortune 100 health provider and I'm part of an active group that is trying to help inform our members and the general public about Covid-19. As far as I'm concerned, I'm going to rock out at both my upcoming PJ shows!
You think Coachella is still going to happen? I have tickets to both weekends plus PJ show LA #1. Didn't seem all too convincing with that press conference yesterday, seems like the city wants Goldenvoice to make a decision either way.
03/20/94 - Ann Arbor 09/22/96 - Toledo 10/16/14 - Detroit 09/26/21 - Dana Point 10/01/21 - Dana Point 10/02/21 - Dana Point 05/06/22 - Los Angeles 05/07/22 - Los Angeles 07/03/22 - Stockholm 07/05/22 - Copenhagen 09/08/22 - Toronto 09/16/22 - Nashville 09/18/22 - St. Louis 09/20/22 - OKC 09/05/23 - Chicago 09/07/23 - Chicago
as days go by more and more do I feel they will postpone the Canadian leg of the tour. Just due to possibility crew being quarantined when crossing back into the USA. That gives them an extra week to decide on the USA tour dates. I support whatever the band decides to do. I will be at the Cdn shows if they do go on.
Barrie 98, Toronto 00, Toronto 03, Buffalo 03, Toronto 05, Hamilton 05, Kitchener 05, Toronto 06 I II, Lolla 07, Vedder Toronto I II, Toronto 09, Philly Oct 30 & 31 2009, Buffalo 2010, Cleveland 2010, Toronto I II 2011, Hamilton 2011, Ottawa 2011, London 2013, Buffalo 2013, Pittsburgh 2013, FLL 2016, Miami 2016, Tor I & II 2016, Barcelona 2018, Toronto 2022, Ottawa 2022, Quebec City 2022, Hamilton 2022
i still don’t think things would be cancelled, but a statement from the band would be nice. Just something that they’re aware of the situation and as of now, they have no plans, or that they do have plans, to cancel or play the shows
2010: Cleveland 2012: Atlanta 2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II 2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver 2015: New York City 2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco 2017: Ohana Fest (EV) 2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II 2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2 2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver 2023: St. Paul II 2024: Las Vegas I / Las Vegas II / New York City I / New York City II / Philly I / Philly II / Baltimore
Not my picture but this is the security line at Logan Airport around 8:30am this morning. It's a Friday. Ghost town.
I will say that I’ve seen it like that many times at Logan before. They’ve got the quickest security. I fly out of there every 2-3 weeks and I’ve never waited more than 5 minutes in line.
2010: Cleveland 2012: Atlanta 2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II 2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver 2015: New York City 2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco 2017: Ohana Fest (EV) 2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II 2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2 2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver 2023: St. Paul II 2024: Las Vegas I / Las Vegas II / New York City I / New York City II / Philly I / Philly II / Baltimore
But if they cancel within 48 hours, don't the union workers still get paid then? Maybe that's why they wait? I have no clue though, just what I've heard.
My concern bigger than a few rock concerts is a Mediterranean cruise that we have booked for early May. It consists of stops in Spain, Italy and France. I get that some canceled PJ concerts would bum some people out, but I've seen them countless times and have never been on the other side of the Atlantic. It's also a lot harder to rebook something that lasts for 9 days as opposed to 3 hours.
Not my picture but this is the security line at Logan Airport around 8:30am this morning. It's a Friday. Ghost town.
I will say that I’ve seen it like that many times at Logan before. They’ve got the quickest security. I fly out of there every 2-3 weeks and I’ve never waited more than 5 minutes in line.
I have too, but not at 8:30am and not on a Friday.
But if they cancel within 48 hours, don't the union workers still get paid then? Maybe that's why they wait? I have no clue though, just what I've heard.
My concern bigger than a few rock concerts is a Mediterranean cruise that we have booked for early May. It consists of stops in Spain, Italy and France. I get that some canceled PJ concerts would bum some people out, but I've seen them countless times and have never been on the other side of the Atlantic. It's also a lot harder to rebook something that lasts for 9 days as opposed to 3 hours.
If that were me, I would not be getting on that boat and would try to get at least partial refund or future credit somehow.
But if they cancel within 48 hours, don't the union workers still get paid then? Maybe that's why they wait? I have no clue though, just what I've heard.
My concern bigger than a few rock concerts is a Mediterranean cruise that we have booked for early May. It consists of stops in Spain, Italy and France. I get that some canceled PJ concerts would bum some people out, but I've seen them countless times and have never been on the other side of the Atlantic. It's also a lot harder to rebook something that lasts for 9 days as opposed to 3 hours.
If that were me, I would not be getting on that boat and would try to get at least partial refund or future credit somehow.
Cruise is the last place I'd be ....just in general....
But if they cancel within 48 hours, don't the union workers still get paid then? Maybe that's why they wait? I have no clue though, just what I've heard.
My concern bigger than a few rock concerts is a Mediterranean cruise that we have booked for early May. It consists of stops in Spain, Italy and France. I get that some canceled PJ concerts would bum some people out, but I've seen them countless times and have never been on the other side of the Atlantic. It's also a lot harder to rebook something that lasts for 9 days as opposed to 3 hours.
My in laws just canceled their july cruise to Italy and Greece. The last place I would want to be is on a cruise.
^ Although thi information is not advertised, Disney cruise offers booking changes, even for cruises not insured, for 300$ US per passenger. Call your cruise line and speak to guest services to see unpublished offerings.
Comments
Cincinnati 2014
Greenville 2016
(Raleigh 2016)
Columbia 2016
I'm going to show #2 in LA at the LA Forum, and I was previously irked that I didn't get general admission tickets. Now, I'm glad I don't, just a little peace of mind. But, I'm going to Coachella in April...
I'm also planning to fly to London for the Hyde Park show and barring massive flight cancellations and a huge outbreak in London, my ass is going to see PJ in London too.
Wash your hands, wash your hands, wash your hands! Masks only do so much because as per that email from a nurse posted earlier in this thread who treated a Covid-19 patient, had all the protective gear, but still got infected and is now in quarantine. The CDC is dicking her around in getting the test that will confirm she has it because their lame excuse is that she couldn't possibly be infected because she wore the protocol protective gear. WTF? The mismanagement of Coronavirus by this inept and corrupt administration is astonishing.
With that all said, I think if you have a strong immune system, and are under 70 and healthy if you catch it, and with medical care and quarantine, you'll recover.
I'm not a medical professional, but I work in an administrative position at a Fortune 100 health provider and I'm part of an active group that is trying to help inform our members and the general public about Covid-19. As far as I'm concerned, I'm going to rock out at both my upcoming PJ shows!
First PJ Show: March 20, 1994 | Ann Arbor | Crisler Arena
To be clear, I’m not sure how I feel any more about the illness. Two weeks ago I was pretty cavalier in my response, now, I’m a little more nervous. I leave for a work convention Sunday in Las Vegas, which is still a go per an email I received tonight. The following week I I am leaving for Toronto. I also have tickets to Ottawa, Quebec City, OKC, both LA’s and Oakland’s.
When things are good, it's absolutely primarily just the elderly who tend to succumb to this. By good, I mean the healthcare system is operating at or under capacity, and thus patient standard of care is optimal. When you have 10 patients and 12 ventilators, most will recover.
Strong 2nd Amendment supporter and advocate targeted methods of reducing gun violence, sans-infringement.
Well after a thoroughly enjoyable last weekend in Auckland this one won't be so lively, especially as I take care of my 68 year old mother who has an auto immune disease among other things. A lot of wiping...
Wellington 1998
London 2007
Brisbane 2009
Stockholm 2012
EV Dublin 2017
Milan 2018
Padova 2018
Boston 2 2018
Strong 2nd Amendment supporter and advocate targeted methods of reducing gun violence, sans-infringement.
Eddie Vedder Düsseldorf 06/30/2019
"The future ain't what it used to be..."
09/22/96 - Toledo
10/16/14 - Detroit
09/26/21 - Dana Point
10/01/21 - Dana Point
10/02/21 - Dana Point
05/06/22 - Los Angeles
05/07/22 - Los Angeles
07/03/22 - Stockholm
07/05/22 - Copenhagen
09/08/22 - Toronto
09/16/22 - Nashville
09/18/22 - St. Louis
09/20/22 - OKC
09/05/23 - Chicago
09/07/23 - Chicago
i still don’t think things would be cancelled, but a statement from the band would be nice. Just something that they’re aware of the situation and as of now, they have no plans, or that they do have plans, to cancel or play the shows
2012: Atlanta
2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco
2017: Ohana Fest (EV)
2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2
2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver
2023: St. Paul II
2024: Las Vegas I / Las Vegas II / New York City I / New York City II / Philly I / Philly II / Baltimore
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
2012: Atlanta
2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco
2017: Ohana Fest (EV)
2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2
2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver
2023: St. Paul II
2024: Las Vegas I / Las Vegas II / New York City I / New York City II / Philly I / Philly II / Baltimore
My concern bigger than a few rock concerts is a Mediterranean cruise that we have booked for early May. It consists of stops in Spain, Italy and France. I get that some canceled PJ concerts would bum some people out, but I've seen them countless times and have never been on the other side of the Atlantic. It's also a lot harder to rebook something that lasts for 9 days as opposed to 3 hours.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."