European Tour Sales = Desaster

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  • axeljohan
    axeljohan Posts: 477
    edited May 2024
    I see nothing special about the arenas chose for Billie Eilish. Maybe a little bit with Ziggo, but I'll take PJ at Waldbühne over the newly named Uber Arena anyday.

    Speaking of Berlin. 2 months to go and still TM is trying to sell tickets for tier 1 at premium prices, while tier 3 tickets were hardly sold. Sad. At least we don't have to worry that parts of the AC will fall on our heads.
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  • Zen23
    Zen23 Posts: 492
    edited May 2024
    I like the Waldbühne and the Wuhlheide too. But it's time for something new. We still have enough venues around here. For me, it's the other way around. I would have preferred the Lanxess Arena and the Uber Arena. Personal preference. And a Pearl Jam concert in an indoor amphitheater like OVO Hydro and the 3Arena must be pure enjoyment for you as a Waldbühne lover! They are somehow special.
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  • Muffin The Mule
    Muffin The Mule Amersham, Bucks Posts: 511
    Dublin golden circle are now over 30 Euros cheaper than last month...
    Brixton Academy 14/7/93, Wembley Arena 29/5/00, Wembley Arena 18/6/07, London O2 18/8/09, Hyde Park 25/6/10, Manchester 20/6/12, Arras 30/6/12, Werchter 5/7/14, Leeds 8/7/14, Milton Keynes 11/7/14, Mexico City 28/11/15, Toronto 10/5/16, Toronto 12/5/16,  Amsterdam 12/6/18, Amsterdam 13/6/18, London O2 18/6/18, Werchter 7/7/18, London O2 17/7/18, Werchter 30/6/22, Hyde Park 8/7/22, Hyde Park 9/7/22, Budapest 12/7/22, Prague 22/7/22, Amsterdam 24/7/22, Amsterdam 25/7/22, Dublin 22/6/24, Manchester 25/6/24, London 29/6/2024, Berlin 2/7/24, Berlin 3/7/24 
  • ilockyer
    ilockyer Posts: 2,272
    Muffin The Mule said:
    Dublin golden circle are now over 30 Euros cheaper than last month...
    They are now €10 cheaper than when they originally went on sale. 
    The secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits
  • Zen23
    Zen23 Posts: 492
    edited May 2024
    „Shows booked for Co-op Live's opening season were always planned to be at a lower capacity than the venue's full capacity of 23,500. Licensing documents confirmed that the average capacity for opening season will be 15,000.“

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/music-nightlife-news/ao-arena-coop-live-gigs-29099019

    This means that even the only European venue that looked like it would be reasonably sold out at the start of the tour is not sold out at all. Instead, it is operating at a reduced capacity. What a farce. 

  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,856
    beano.79 said:
    ilockyer said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Wembley arena has always just had harsh volume for many many years 
    Since PJ have seen maybe a dozen acts in Wembley Arena. QOTSA in 2013 is the only one who've had what I'd consider sub-par. Porcupine Tree a couple years ago one of the best sounds I've heard in an arena.
    So much depends on the effort (or lack of) put in by band and sound people during the soundcheck, whatever size the venue.
    I was at the porcupine tree gig, wow what a sound. But then again, I saw them years ago at a smaller venue notorious for bad sound, they sounded incredible, almost unfair to use them as an example 😂


    Steven Wilson is a musical genius. Fans unfamiliar with Porcupine Tree or any of his solo albums, or any of his collaborations such as Storm Corrosion or Blackfield or perhaps ten other joint ventures are missing the best kept secret from American rock fans.
  • axeljohan
    axeljohan Posts: 477
    edited May 2024
    Zen23 said:
    „Shows booked for Co-op Live's opening season were always planned to be at a lower capacity than the venue's full capacity of 23,500. Licensing documents confirmed that the average capacity for opening season will be 15,000.“

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/music-nightlife-news/ao-arena-coop-live-gigs-29099019

    This means that even the only European venue that looked like it would be reasonably sold out at the start of the tour is not sold out at all. Instead, it is operating at a reduced capacity. What a farce. 

    Well, I am not saying that sales for the European tour are going great. But if the venue only allows to sell a reduced capacity and the band has nearly sold out all the available tickets, I don’t see an issue there.
  • beano.79
    beano.79 Posts: 785
    Lerxst1992 said:
    beano.79 said:
    ilockyer said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Wembley arena has always just had harsh volume for many many years 
    Since PJ have seen maybe a dozen acts in Wembley Arena. QOTSA in 2013 is the only one who've had what I'd consider sub-par. Porcupine Tree a couple years ago one of the best sounds I've heard in an arena.
    So much depends on the effort (or lack of) put in by band and sound people during the soundcheck, whatever size the venue.
    I was at the porcupine tree gig, wow what a sound. But then again, I saw them years ago at a smaller venue notorious for bad sound, they sounded incredible, almost unfair to use them as an example 😂


    Steven Wilson is a musical genius. Fans unfamiliar with Porcupine Tree or any of his solo albums, or any of his collaborations such as Storm Corrosion or Blackfield or perhaps ten other joint ventures are missing the best kept secret from American rock fans.
    Absolutely... Incredible output from the guy, and such a rich and varied catalogue across all his bands/projects. 
  • Zen23
    Zen23 Posts: 492
    edited May 2024
    axeljohan said:
    Zen23 said:
    „Shows booked for Co-op Live's opening season were always planned to be at a lower capacity than the venue's full capacity of 23,500. Licensing documents confirmed that the average capacity for opening season will be 15,000.“

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/music-nightlife-news/ao-arena-coop-live-gigs-29099019

    This means that even the only European venue that looked like it would be reasonably sold out at the start of the tour is not sold out at all. Instead, it is operating at a reduced capacity. What a farce. 

    Well, I am not saying that sales for the European tour are going great. But if the venue only allows to sell a reduced capacity and the band has nearly sold out all the available tickets, I don’t see an issue there.
    I agree with you on that. But again, it's a personal preference as to what you understand by "issue".

    One reason I bought a ticket for this show is because I wanted to see Pearl Jam in front of 23,500 people. In a brand new, modern concert hall. Capacity played an important role for me. Not the only decisive one. But it was one of the reasons. I have a long journey ahead of me. I would have liked to have known about the reduced capacity in advance.

    But I'm now used to the fact that nothing is communicated in advance on this tour. And if they do, it's usually wrong. As with the topic of "best seats in the house", the fees for resale, or advance information from Ticketmaster Support on how presale will work. Just to name a few.
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  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,214
    Thats actually interesting to read as there has been a lot of talk about artists switching their shows across to the AO arena in Manchester - Take That being the first to make the move and I was wondering how on earth they could when the AO is smaller than the Co-Op. Its being billed as the biggest in the uk so I was scratching my head as to how sold out (or in our case a very nearly sold out) show could be moved to a smaller venue. Now we have the answer
  • drfox
    drfox Posts: 1,481
    pdalowsky said:
    Thats actually interesting to read as there has been a lot of talk about artists switching their shows across to the AO arena in Manchester - Take That being the first to make the move and I was wondering how on earth they could when the AO is smaller than the Co-Op. Its being billed as the biggest in the uk so I was scratching my head as to how sold out (or in our case a very nearly sold out) show could be moved to a smaller venue. Now we have the answer
    Looking at the seating map I don’t think the Co-Op ever released the seats in blocks 321-324, which will be a bunch of them 
  • Zen23
    Zen23 Posts: 492
    The gray area between Level 1 and Level 3 has also not gone on sale at Ticketmaster for any concert this year.
  • drfox
    drfox Posts: 1,481
    Just looking at the Spurs map. I’m wondering when they’ll start to gift some of the nosebleeds to the blue light sector. There are so many still available. Looking at last year with the second Blur Wembley concert it was around 2 weeks before the show that they did the Blue light sale
  • Zen23
    Zen23 Posts: 492
    edited May 2024
    There are many more available than can be seen on the seating plan. Ticketmaster has simply hidden half rows in a beautifully symmetrical pattern to make it look less. You can see this in several areas of the stadium. Also on the South Stand. Almost all of these gray dots in this example are not yet sold.


  • ilockyer
    ilockyer Posts: 2,272
    edited May 2024
    pdalowsky said:
    Thats actually interesting to read as there has been a lot of talk about artists switching their shows across to the AO arena in Manchester - Take That being the first to make the move and I was wondering how on earth they could when the AO is smaller than the Co-Op. Its being billed as the biggest in the uk so I was scratching my head as to how sold out (or in our case a very nearly sold out) show could be moved to a smaller venue. Now we have the answer
    The AO is supposed to be increasing capacity to 24,000 by the end of next year, so Co-op Live would only hold that title for a short while. 
    Zen23 said:
    The gray area between Level 1 and Level 3 has also not gone on sale at Ticketmaster for any concert this year.

    That'll be the corporate boxes in the 200 level. 
    Post edited by ilockyer on
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  • axeljohan
    axeljohan Posts: 477
    edited May 2024
    Edit: my mistake 
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  • Zen23
    Zen23 Posts: 492
    ilockyer said:
    Zen23 said:
    The gray area between Level 1 and Level 3 has also not gone on sale at Ticketmaster for any concert this year.

    That'll be the corporate boxes in the 200 level. 
    I already thought of that on the sides. But I wonder whether this entire level 2 area in the back, which is currently grayed out and cannot be purchased, will also be one of the exclusive places. But it's quite possible.


  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,214
    axeljohan said:
    Is it a mistake that Pearl Jam does not show up under events at the AO Homepage?

    https://www.ao-arena.com/events

    big hole for events from July to October 
    No, as they are not scheduled to play there (at least yet)

    They are playing the Co-op Live : -

    https://www.cooplive.com/events/62/dark-matter-world-tour-2024/pearl-jam
  • ilockyer
    ilockyer Posts: 2,272
    edited May 2024
    Zen23 said:
    ilockyer said:
    Zen23 said:
    The gray area between Level 1 and Level 3 has also not gone on sale at Ticketmaster for any concert this year.

    That'll be the corporate boxes in the 200 level. 
    I already thought of that on the sides. But I wonder whether this entire level 2 area in the back, which is currently grayed out and cannot be purchased, will also be one of the exclusive places. But it's quite possible.


    16 rows in the 300 section at the sides, 23 in the back sections, per the seating plan. 
    First 5 rows of 311 don't appear to be on the TM seating plan though yet, front row in 311 has a ticket on resale is shown as row 6. 
    Maybe they're retractable for some reason. 
    The secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits
  • Zen23
    Zen23 Posts: 492
    edited May 2024
    ilockyer said:
    pdalowsky said:
    Thats actually interesting to read as there has been a lot of talk about artists switching their shows across to the AO arena in Manchester - Take That being the first to make the move and I was wondering how on earth they could when the AO is smaller than the Co-Op. Its being billed as the biggest in the uk so I was scratching my head as to how sold out (or in our case a very nearly sold out) show could be moved to a smaller venue. Now we have the answer
    The AO is supposed to be increasing capacity to 24,000 by the end of next year, so Co-op Live would only hold that title for a short while. 
    According to numerous articles Manchester’s AO Arena has already completed its £50 million redevelopment. Or am I missing something?

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