European Tour Sales = Desaster

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  • ilockyer
    ilockyer Posts: 2,272
    I'm worried about Bruce's EU tour now though, if Ed's theory of 175 euro per ticket is needed to not lose money, with the highest prices being £175 (London) before dynamic BS kicked in, and on average outside of the UK a good deal lower, with a 20 piece band and crew to get around, they must be living on ramen and sleeping on the ground under the trucks in order to not lose money. That's not good for a bunch of 70+ year olds!  =)

    PJ do look after their staff well, and pay retainers to keep them available, as well as cover the medical insurance etc. That is absolutely to be applauded; they're far from the only ones who do though. 
    The secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits
  • STATEOFLOVE59
    STATEOFLOVE59 Posts: 20
    JackD. said:
    STATEOFLOVE59 said:
    Benz said:
    I think it is complete nonsense that the ticket prices have to be that high to cover their costs.
    I have just seen Dave Matthews Band in Berlin for 80€ and have tickets for Dua Lipa in Berlin for 90€ GA.
    I cannot believe that those acts will not have their costs covered.
    Their tour are not a 6 gigs tour....
    Dua Lipa’s tour actually is. Und DMB plays smaller venues. I understand anyone who tries to justify what our favorite band does but I guess we all have to cave in and accept that they are charging high prices because they can and want to. They tour would be feasible with 50€ less per ticket for sure.

    You dont know anything about any of their structure costs. So 50€ less or anything is anythong but bullshit.
    You know smaller venues cost many many many less than Spurs Stadium. For any type of cost.
    Trying to compare DuaLipa or even DMB to PJ is just priceless.
  • JimFletcherPearlJam
    JimFletcherPearlJam Posts: 382
    Yeah, these band members are about 60 years old. I mean, how many more studio albums will they realistically provide in the future (maybe three)? As a result, I'm ready to pounce on tickets for each remaining tour at any price. When I'm 90 years old, I don't want to be thinking that I should've attended several additional PJ shows, but at least I saved a small bit of money by not paying too much for tickets. 🥑 
  • Force Of Nature
    Force Of Nature York, England Posts: 1,146
    Well considering the London thing tomorrow is making a deal about selling discounted tickets I imagine a few struggles with Tottenham stadium.
  • just_one
    just_one Lisbon Posts: 2,307
    Force Of Nature said:
    Well considering the London thing tomorrow is making a deal about selling discounted tickets I imagine a few struggles with Tottenham stadium.
    what thing?
  • Zen23
    Zen23 Posts: 493
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  • JackD.
    JackD. Posts: 523
    STATEOFLOVE59 said:
    JackD. said:
    STATEOFLOVE59 said:
    Benz said:
    I think it is complete nonsense that the ticket prices have to be that high to cover their costs.
    I have just seen Dave Matthews Band in Berlin for 80€ and have tickets for Dua Lipa in Berlin for 90€ GA.
    I cannot believe that those acts will not have their costs covered.
    Their tour are not a 6 gigs tour....
    Dua Lipa’s tour actually is. Und DMB plays smaller venues. I understand anyone who tries to justify what our favorite band does but I guess we all have to cave in and accept that they are charging high prices because they can and want to. They tour would be feasible with 50€ less per ticket for sure.

    You dont know anything about any of their structure costs. So 50€ less or anything is anythong but bullshit.
    You know smaller venues cost many many many less than Spurs Stadium. For any type of cost.
    Trying to compare DuaLipa or even DMB to PJ is just priceless.
    Looks like you don‘t know anything as well. Makes us two. Also, your opinion using this aggressive tone is duly noted.
  • Force Of Nature
    Force Of Nature York, England Posts: 1,146
    just_one said:
    Force Of Nature said:
    Well considering the London thing tomorrow is making a deal about selling discounted tickets I imagine a few struggles with Tottenham stadium.
    what thing?
    Check the sticky’s. Some free interactive event in London. 
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,072
    axeljohan said:
    Okay, so let’s assume they need those prices to break even including their „salary“. Might be true or not.

    but what about the argument that viagogo is more responsible for dynamic pricing than TM and the artists? Tickets were sold at the secondary market at higher prices forever. But nowadays it is a choice by TM and the artists to be part of that system by using dynamic pricing. How is that not the responsibility of TM and the artists?
    I actually thought that, that they include what they pay themselves in the "cost." In order to make 500k a night each, they need to sell tickets for $200, anything less is a "loss".
  • Gravey1975
    Gravey1975 Posts: 342
    Force Of Nature said:
    Well considering the London thing tomorrow is making a deal about selling discounted tickets I imagine a few struggles with Tottenham stadium.
    Yeah I assumed it was a desperate attempt to shift some tickets.
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,108
    It will be exactly that 


    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
  • Tjm007
    Tjm007 Posts: 189
    yorkshirestone said:
    LizJ said:
    I think the cheapest tickets for London were 160 £ when the TM sale started, right? Cheapest on TM are 125 £ now. So it seems same thing that’s happening for the Berlin shows is happening here now too. They are starting to sell the „not so good“ sections for less. 

    And I just checked on the prices for Barcelona and seats in the 300 sections are now 92 Euros. 
    Upper tier/rear seats in London started at 125 and aren’t shifting. 
    50-75 they’ll sell

    They will still be sh1t seats in a sh1t sounding stadium.

    But they did leave it late and other venues were full.

    They would have been better of skipping London this time and booking a better venue for 2025. 
  • Zen23
    Zen23 Posts: 493
    Another member summed it up very well some time ago. In response to whether the album or promotions like the one in London will boost ticket sales. I'll try to summarize it as best I can:

    The moment the average Pearl Jam or rock music fan saw the prices and - rightly - decided against it, they lost a lot of those potential ticket buyers for the upcoming shows in Europe. However, it is precisely this group of buyers that is needed to fill the concert halls and this time even a soccer stadium. But these buyers don't regularly come back to the Ticketmaster pages to check week by week whether the prices have changed. They've opted instead to meet up with a few mates for a soccer match or to visit their aunt for a coffee.

    I realize that some of my comments here may come across as pessimistic or even wish for failure. Far from it. I will be at several concerts. And I'm hoping for a full hall with the best atmosphere imaginable for these and all the other shows and the fans. Unfortunately, I have a bad feeling that they've really fucked it up and it will be difficult to steer ticket sales in a satisfactory direction except with extreme discounts.
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,108
    Extreme discounts at this stage will then piss of the loyal hardcore fans that bought 10c full price ones. 


    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
  • drfox
    drfox Posts: 1,509
    Zen23 said:
    Another member summed it up very well some time ago. In response to whether the album or promotions like the one in London will boost ticket sales. I'll try to summarize it as best I can:

    The moment the average Pearl Jam or rock music fan saw the prices and - rightly - decided against it, they lost a lot of those potential ticket buyers for the upcoming shows in Europe. However, it is precisely this group of buyers that is needed to fill the concert halls and this time even a soccer stadium. But these buyers don't regularly come back to the Ticketmaster pages to check week by week whether the prices have changed. They've opted instead to meet up with a few mates for a soccer match or to visit their aunt for a coffee.

    I realize that some of my comments here may come across as pessimistic or even wish for failure. Far from it. I will be at several concerts. And I'm hoping for a full hall with the best atmosphere imaginable for these and all the other shows and the fans. Unfortunately, I have a bad feeling that they've really fucked it up and it will be difficult to steer ticket sales in a satisfactory direction except with extreme discounts.
    Here in England, the main issue is not the prices though. Issue is that thousands of music fans who would have gone have booked tickets elsewhere who announced their concerts first (Green Day/Glasto)
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,108
    I think the price is the problem I know a lot of people who can't/won't pay it. 


    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
  • Gravey1975
    Gravey1975 Posts: 342
    Zen23 said:
    Another member summed it up very well some time ago. In response to whether the album or promotions like the one in London will boost ticket sales. I'll try to summarize it as best I can:

    The moment the average Pearl Jam or rock music fan saw the prices and - rightly - decided against it, they lost a lot of those potential ticket buyers for the upcoming shows in Europe. However, it is precisely this group of buyers that is needed to fill the concert halls and this time even a soccer stadium. But these buyers don't regularly come back to the Ticketmaster pages to check week by week whether the prices have changed. They've opted instead to meet up with a few mates for a soccer match or to visit their aunt for a coffee.

    I realize that some of my comments here may come across as pessimistic or even wish for failure. Far from it. I will be at several concerts. And I'm hoping for a full hall with the best atmosphere imaginable for these and all the other shows and the fans. Unfortunately, I have a bad feeling that they've really fucked it up and it will be difficult to steer ticket sales in a satisfactory direction except with extreme discounts.
    This all makes sense. Apart from the bit about meeting up with your auntie for a coffee. 
  • Gravey1975
    Gravey1975 Posts: 342
    lastexitlondon said:
    Extreme discounts at this stage will then piss of the loyal hardcore fans that bought 10c full price ones. 
    I wouldn't be bothered tbh. Happened to me with the Stones a few years ago when they dropped ticket prices dramatically just before the show and I got chatting to a family that paid about £30 less than me per ticket. It is what it is.
  • just_one
    just_one Lisbon Posts: 2,307
    lastexitlondon said:
    I think the price is the problem I know a lot of people who can't/won't pay it. 
    its a mix of these issues : 

    late annoucement
    ticket prices

    also if u´re just going to play 1 show in london book it in the same day as green day at wembley is just bad planning.
  • Zen23
    Zen23 Posts: 493
    Gravey1975 said:
    Zen23 said:
    Another member summed it up very well some time ago. In response to whether the album or promotions like the one in London will boost ticket sales. I'll try to summarize it as best I can:

    The moment the average Pearl Jam or rock music fan saw the prices and - rightly - decided against it, they lost a lot of those potential ticket buyers for the upcoming shows in Europe. However, it is precisely this group of buyers that is needed to fill the concert halls and this time even a soccer stadium. But these buyers don't regularly come back to the Ticketmaster pages to check week by week whether the prices have changed. They've opted instead to meet up with a few mates for a soccer match or to visit their aunt for a coffee.

    I realize that some of my comments here may come across as pessimistic or even wish for failure. Far from it. I will be at several concerts. And I'm hoping for a full hall with the best atmosphere imaginable for these and all the other shows and the fans. Unfortunately, I have a bad feeling that they've really fucked it up and it will be difficult to steer ticket sales in a satisfactory direction except with extreme discounts.
    This all makes sense. Apart from the bit about meeting up with your auntie for a coffee. 
    It depends on how cool and rock 'n' roll the aunt is.

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