European Tour Sales = Desaster

just_one

i remember in 2006 when i went to london to see bon jovi at wembley stadium (it was suppose to be the first concert at the new wembley stadium) and it was changed to milton keynes because the stadiumn was not ready in time.

i know milton keynes is a huge bawl but its not impossible to change venues....

JT167846

Ha I was at that too. Nickelback opened I recall. What a mission to get back though!

RatherStarved

From an economic perspective the organizer’s goal is to maximize revenue and not necessarily to sell out.

For example they make more money selling half the venue at $161 than all the venue at $80.  (Numbers could be tweaked to account for money people spend at the show but the concept remains.)

Of course they make even more selling half at $161 and the other half at $80.  And so that might happen.  But they have to ensure the people who spent $161 will not be so upset as to not buy future shows.  

just_one

JT167846 said:

Ha I was at that too. Nickelback opened I recall. What a mission to get back though!

ahahah it sure was , i had to take a cab to the train station and caught the last train back to london i think lol

axeljohan

they also rearranged in Düsseldorf back in 2007. Planned for the stadium, ended up in the arena. Great concert.

mace1229

STATEOFLOVE59 said:

mace1229 said:

This thread got me thinking. If Europeans are not used to higher prices and tickets are not selling, why doesn't PJ just tour the states more? It's got to cost a lot more to tour over seas, and for less money. It seems like with every tour, South America or Europe gets more shows than NA. I always just assumed they made more doing it, but apparently not. 

crowds are so better in Europe.
I'm sure they enjoy playing in Europe or SudAM. Much more than US.
Not only dollars Dude.

Of course it’s not only dollars. But it looks like they tried to make it a factor by charging more than most Europeans are willing to pay.
My point wasn’t that it’s just about dollars. But I assume the cost to tour is a lot more expensive over seas. The cost to take a crew and all the equipment and everything has got to eat into the budget. So whatever to reason is, it’s got to be worth it for them. Are US crowds that bad where they’ll play more shows out of the country, or do they just enjoy working and vacationing at the same time?

just_one

axeljohan said:

they also rearranged in Düsseldorf back in 2007. Planned for the stadium, ended up in the arena. Great concert.

didnt know that. just move to the O2 arena and hell make a 2nd date LOL now im dreaming

to be honest i just dont want to see berlin and barcelona 2nd nights cancelled.

pdalowsky

RatherStarved said:

From an economic perspective the organizer’s goal is to maximize revenue and not necessarily to sell out.

For example they make more money selling half the venue at $161 than all the venue at $80.  (Numbers could be tweaked to account for money people spend at the show but the concept remains.)

Of course they make even more selling half at $161 and the other half at $80.  And so that might happen.  But they have to ensure the people who spent $161 will not be so upset as to not buy future shows.  

Absolutely right, however with PJ we have to factor in the merch effect. 65000 rabid merch buyers are going to do some serious damage compared to 30,000 LOL

As I understand it the band will be paid a set fee for playing - which is agreed with the promoter (I may be wrong) but they then make a good sum on the merch they sell. I expect on that footing having a huge crowd is financially attractive. 

Mind you once folk have stumped up all this cash I wonder if they can really afford to spend £40 on a T shirt. 

pdalowsky

axeljohan said:

they also rearranged in Düsseldorf back in 2007. Planned for the stadium, ended up in the arena. Great concert.

Interesting one......and surprised to learn this too. 

yorkshirestone

Black keys Manchester (same venue as pj) 42.50-80 gbp 
pearl jam - 160 gbp with back rows of upper tier hastily reduced to 121gbp

similar stage set up and cost (I’ve seen both bands plenty) and similar limited uk dates (2-3 max)

this argument that touring has got more expensive is moot - I assume the black keys aren’t touring at a loss 

difference is required income/take ie greed

Zen23

Zen23 said:

Then those responsible had better get started quickly.

For the second night in Barcelona, there are still around 9,000 seats that have not been sold. And where nothing is happening at all. In addition, there is an unknown number of unsold standing tickets. At a price of €165, the sales figures for the standing tickets will be just as shameful as for the seats. So we can assume that they definitely didn't sell more than half of the tickets.

There must be some consequence to this.

For the sake of completeness. Even on the first evening in Barcelona, an alarming number of seats plus an unknown number of standing tickets are still unsold. There are still around 5,500 seats available for the first evening alone. At the moment, it might still be possible to find a free seat or standing on the first evening for all the people who have bought tickets for the second evening. I know that won't work. Because of the value of the seats. But there should be enough space.

JPPJ84

axeljohan said:

JPPJ84 said:

just_one said:

axeljohan said:

I think they want to do their concerts with as little traveling as possible. That’s why they set up 2 concerts in Berlin and Barcelona and thought that fans from Scandinavia, Eastern Europe, Italy. 

Looks like this doesn’t work out as planned. Maybe due to the high ticket prices, the late announcement and the football Euros, which makes traveling more expensive. 

i truly believe these are the reasons.

Euro only affects germany

Are Germany playing themselves??

That would be the only way for us to win something this year.

True. I actually enjoy them losing though 😈

just_one

Zen23 said:

Zen23 said:

Then those responsible had better get started quickly.

For the second night in Barcelona, there are still around 9,000 seats that have not been sold. And where nothing is happening at all. In addition, there is an unknown number of unsold standing tickets. At a price of €165, the sales figures for the standing tickets will be just as shameful as for the seats. So we can assume that they definitely didn't sell more than half of the tickets.

There must be some consequence to this.

For the sake of completeness. Even on the first evening in Barcelona, an alarming number of seats plus an unknown number of standing tickets are still unsold. There are still around 5,500 seats available for the first evening alone. At the moment, it might still be possible to find a free seat or standing on the first evening for all the people who have bought tickets for the second evening. I know that won't work. Because of the value of the seats. But there should be enough space.

1st Barcelona night only has premium tickets for standing. And if u take into account the small amount of premium tickets for seats those wont be much.

axeljohan

pdalowsky said:

axeljohan said:

they also rearranged in Düsseldorf back in 2007. Planned for the stadium, ended up in the arena. Great concert.

Interesting one......and surprised to learn this too. 

PEARL JAM LTU Arena Dusseldorf GERMANY 2007 Concert POSTER Vedder Ament GOSSARD | eBay

Poster for the planned show in the LTU Arena (stadium). Ended up in the ISS Dome.

drfox

yorkshirestone said:

Black keys Manchester (same venue as pj) 42.50-80 gbp 
pearl jam - 160 gbp with back rows of upper tier hastily reduced to 121gbp

similar stage set up and cost (I’ve seen both bands plenty) and similar limited uk dates (2-3 max)

this argument that touring has got more expensive is moot - I assume the black keys aren’t touring at a loss 

difference is required income/take ie greed

Suppose there’s only two members of Black Keys vs five (plus two touring members) of PJ. And PJ is a much much more famous band.

You are right though in that it’s crazy the cost for Black Keys is 25% of PJ. Black Keys tour only 3 dates vs 9 for PJ but I imagine more Black Keys shows to be added. 

ilockyer

drfox said:

yorkshirestone said:

Black keys Manchester (same venue as pj) 42.50-80 gbp 
pearl jam - 160 gbp with back rows of upper tier hastily reduced to 121gbp

similar stage set up and cost (I’ve seen both bands plenty) and similar limited uk dates (2-3 max)

this argument that touring has got more expensive is moot - I assume the black keys aren’t touring at a loss 

difference is required income/take ie greed

Suppose there’s only two members of Black Keys vs five (plus two touring members) of PJ. And PJ is a much much more famous band.

You are right though in that it’s crazy the cost for Black Keys is 25% of PJ. Black Keys tour only 3 dates vs 9 for PJ but I imagine more Black Keys shows to be added. 

The Black Keys is a 2 piece (but with four backing musicians) so their costs will be low, imagine the backup guys probably waged so won't be adding too much to the cost. 

Zen23

How much do you think tickets in the lower and upper tiers will have to cost for the two Barcelona concerts to sell reasonably well? Or has too much damage already been done?

I would still be interested. But as the tickets are still not selling and there is no rush, I would just wait. Any opinions?

yorkshirestone

ilockyer said:

drfox said:

yorkshirestone said:

Black keys Manchester (same venue as pj) 42.50-80 gbp 
pearl jam - 160 gbp with back rows of upper tier hastily reduced to 121gbp

similar stage set up and cost (I’ve seen both bands plenty) and similar limited uk dates (2-3 max)

this argument that touring has got more expensive is moot - I assume the black keys aren’t touring at a loss 

difference is required income/take ie greed

Suppose there’s only two members of Black Keys vs five (plus two touring members) of PJ. And PJ is a much much more famous band.

You are right though in that it’s crazy the cost for Black Keys is 25% of PJ. Black Keys tour only 3 dates vs 9 for PJ but I imagine more Black Keys shows to be added. 

The Black Keys is a 2 piece (but with four backing musicians) so their costs will be low, imagine the backup guys probably waged so won't be adding too much to the cost. 

Yep see the point just being 2 of them.  Another comparison uk pricing this year I’m off to see - 
green day GA in Milan 65 euro
the eagles, arena seated 90 gbp (same seats for pj are 125 gbp in same venue) 
Taylor swift with the kids, middling upper tier stadium seats 90 gbp 
Foo fighters, Manchester standing 80gbp
Springsteen, front standing in Sunderland 160gbp

anyway you look at it, pricing is out of whack.

Kearn5y

yorkshirestone said:

ilockyer said:

drfox said:

yorkshirestone said:

Black keys Manchester (same venue as pj) 42.50-80 gbp 
pearl jam - 160 gbp with back rows of upper tier hastily reduced to 121gbp

similar stage set up and cost (I’ve seen both bands plenty) and similar limited uk dates (2-3 max)

this argument that touring has got more expensive is moot - I assume the black keys aren’t touring at a loss 

difference is required income/take ie greed

Suppose there’s only two members of Black Keys vs five (plus two touring members) of PJ. And PJ is a much much more famous band.

You are right though in that it’s crazy the cost for Black Keys is 25% of PJ. Black Keys tour only 3 dates vs 9 for PJ but I imagine more Black Keys shows to be added. 

The Black Keys is a 2 piece (but with four backing musicians) so their costs will be low, imagine the backup guys probably waged so won't be adding too much to the cost. 

Yep see the point just being 2 of them.  Another comparison uk pricing this year I’m off to see - 
green day GA in Milan 65 euro
the eagles, arena seated 90 gbp (same seats for pj are 125 gbp in same venue) 
Taylor swift with the kids, middling upper tier stadium seats 90 gbp 
Foo fighters, Manchester standing 80gbp
Springsteen, front standing in Sunderland 160gbp

anyway you look at it, pricing is out of whack.

Though the eagles were almost another £100 on the price that PJ charged, on the lower tier and more than double on the floor 

RatherStarved

Zen23 said:

How much do you think tickets in the lower and upper tiers will have to cost for the two Barcelona concerts to sell reasonably well? Or has too much damage already been done?

I would still be interested. But as the tickets are still not selling and there is no rush, I would just wait. Any opinions?

Just making this up but the premiums should be changed to standard price, other lowers discounted 25% and uppers discounted 40%.  That might not sell out but it should sell.  

I don’t know what to say about GA.  I’ll let someone else answer that one.