Its only March 1st (or 2nd) and the prices will adjust accordingly. That’s how this new ticketing system works for better or worse.
N2 for Barcelona is not even half sold out. The sections I am showing you here are the best sections available in the 200s right next to Mike. Sec 223, 224, and 225. The section to the left that looks sold out has never been available. The further you go back the worse it is. Some sections have zero tickets sold.
On top of that they dropped the price down on the 300's and they are barely moving any of those. They can keep dropping the prices but I think for most people the damage is already done. We are talking close to 10,000 tickets they need to move here.
Now Europe may be different because there has not been heavy use of Platinum there previously but in the US, Live Nation has made clear they now see it as a failure if a show sells out too quickly because it means they set the price too low. In 2019, I saw the Who at MSG. On the day of sale, they sold maybe 30-40% of the venue. Three weeks out, at least 1/3 of the venue was still unsold and yet, the night of the show, every seat was full. I paid $300 for 7th row on the floor, those tickets started out at over $1000 and they started to move them more around $600. It’s all about maximizing revenue now.
Its only March 1st (or 2nd) and the prices will adjust accordingly. That’s how this new ticketing system works for better or worse.
N2 for Barcelona is not even half sold out. The sections I am showing you here are the best sections available in the 200s right next to Mike. Sec 223, 224, and 225. The section to the left that looks sold out has never been available. The further you go back the worse it is. Some sections have zero tickets sold.
On top of that they dropped the price down on the 300's and they are barely moving any of those. They can keep dropping the prices but I think for most people the damage is already done. We are talking close to 10,000 tickets they need to move here.
Now Europe may be different because there has not been heavy use of Platinum there previously but in the US, Live Nation has made clear they now see it as a failure if a show sells out too quickly because it means they set the price too low. In 2019, I saw the Who at MSG. On the day of sale, they sold maybe 30-40% of the venue. Three weeks out, at least 1/3 of the venue was still unsold and yet, the night of the show, every seat was full. I paid $300 for 7th row on the floor, those tickets started out at over $1000 and they started to move them more around $600. It’s all about maximizing revenue now.
These prices were crazy for Europe - hardly surprising that sales are poor.
Give it time….all these shows will sell out or be close to sold out.
Not even close to selling out. Wait until fan to fan adds seats back on to the map too.
Exactly. Wait and see what the graphic for Tottemham Stadium will look like once the red fansale tickets appear in addition to the thousands of unsold seats. It's like the stadium has measles.
These prices were crazy for Europe - hardly surprising that sales are poor.
Give it time….all these shows will sell out or be close to sold out.
Not even close to selling out. Wait until fan to fan adds seats back on to the map too.
Exactly. Wait and see what the graphic for Tottemham Stadium will look like once the red fansale tickets appear in addition to the thousands of unsold seats. It's like the stadium has measles.
Whilst playing to a half empty stadium would be mildly amusing and perhaps send a message - I can imagine one outcome in the future will be PJ skipping London or even Europe on future tours.
I've also thought about it before. But it would be a totally stupid consequence. Sounds like insulted toddler behavior to me. The only correct consequence would be to set ticket prices at a reasonable level right from the start. At least for the upper tiers.
These prices were crazy for Europe - hardly surprising that sales are poor.
Give it time….all these shows will sell out or be close to sold out.
Not even close to selling out. Wait until fan to fan adds seats back on to the map too.
Exactly. Wait and see what the graphic for Tottemham Stadium will look like once the red fansale tickets appear in addition to the thousands of unsold seats. It's like the stadium has measles.
Whilst playing to a half empty stadium would be mildly amusing and perhaps send a message - I can imagine one outcome in the future will be PJ skipping London or even Europe on future tours.
Or just play more sensibly sized shows. Even at £160 a ticket, London O2 would have easily sold out by now. Even 2 nights - as per the rumoured original plan - would probably have almost sold out.
Its only March 1st (or 2nd) and the prices will adjust accordingly. That’s how this new ticketing system works for better or worse.
N2 for Barcelona is not even half sold out. The sections I am showing you here are the best sections available in the 200s right next to Mike. Sec 223, 224, and 225. The section to the left that looks sold out has never been available. The further you go back the worse it is. Some sections have zero tickets sold.
On top of that they dropped the price down on the 300's and they are barely moving any of those. They can keep dropping the prices but I think for most people the damage is already done. We are talking close to 10,000 tickets they need to move here.
Now Europe may be different because there has not been heavy use of Platinum there previously but in the US, Live Nation has made clear they now see it as a failure if a show sells out too quickly because it means they set the price too low. In 2019, I saw the Who at MSG. On the day of sale, they sold maybe 30-40% of the venue. Three weeks out, at least 1/3 of the venue was still unsold and yet, the night of the show, every seat was full. I paid $300 for 7th row on the floor, those tickets started out at over $1000 and they started to move them more around $600. It’s all about maximizing revenue now.
Yup
Dropping standard prices for 10,000 seats is not the way they do business. They missed the window with the most eyes looking for tickets.
Maybe if they had a couple of thousand premium tickets to move then ya I would agree but this is way above that.
Also it’s interesting they actually lower the standard prices in Europe. With shows like Fresno and Sacramento in 2022 they did not move the lowest price at all.
I am going to Barcelona. I am excited for the city and the shows. That said they missed the mark big time here.
Yep...play arenas and festivals in Europe with decent pricing.
Yep - this is not Pearl Jam’s model but if they did a run of 8 or so arena shows in the U.K. like Kings of Leon are doing or QOTSA did last year (eg in Leeds, Birmingham, Manchester, Glasgow, Nottingham etc) and priced around £100-£120 a ticket they would have sold the entire tour the morning the tickets went on sale. People don’t want to spend £160 for tickets a mile away from the stage in one of the largest football stadiums in a not great area of London. Still looking forward to the shows though despite these issues and pleased I got GA
Wonder if they’ll go back to 15-18 date Euro tours after this (hopefully they will not skip us!). I like to think the reason for the high ticket prices is that with the tour being so much shorter than normal they have less shows to spread the cost over (and not just wanting to maximise revenue). Tour length must have something to do with it, how else can QOTSA charge £55 a ticket.
Wonder if they’ll go back to 15-18 date Euro tours after this (hopefully they will not skip us!). I like to think the reason for the high ticket prices is that with the tour being so much shorter than normal they have less shows to spread the cost over (and not just wanting to maximise revenue). Tour length must have something to do with it, how else can QOTSA charge £55 a ticket.
Easy. QOTSA has a lower fee. People have to stop trying to make reason. If Pearl Jam wouldn‘t ask for a very high fee per show, tickets would be significantly cheaper.
Its only March 1st (or 2nd) and the prices will adjust accordingly. That’s how this new ticketing system works for better or worse.
N2 for Barcelona is not even half sold out. The sections I am showing you here are the best sections available in the 200s right next to Mike. Sec 223, 224, and 225. The section to the left that looks sold out has never been available. The further you go back the worse it is. Some sections have zero tickets sold.
On top of that they dropped the price down on the 300's and they are barely moving any of those. They can keep dropping the prices but I think for most people the damage is already done. We are talking close to 10,000 tickets they need to move here.
Now Europe may be different because there has not been heavy use of Platinum there previously but in the US, Live Nation has made clear they now see it as a failure if a show sells out too quickly because it means they set the price too low. In 2019, I saw the Who at MSG. On the day of sale, they sold maybe 30-40% of the venue. Three weeks out, at least 1/3 of the venue was still unsold and yet, the night of the show, every seat was full. I paid $300 for 7th row on the floor, those tickets started out at over $1000 and they started to move them more around $600. It’s all about maximizing revenue now.
This was my experience with Smashing Pumpkins. For a couple months after the onsale it wasn't even half sold. It was insane. I wondered if they would cancel it or move it. By the show it was 80-90% full. A couple nosebleed sections that were empty in the back but a totally normal arena crowd.
These prices were crazy for Europe - hardly surprising that sales are poor.
Give it time….all these shows will sell out or be close to sold out.
Not even close to selling out. Wait until fan to fan adds seats back on to the map too.
Exactly. Wait and see what the graphic for Tottemham Stadium will look like once the red fansale tickets appear in addition to the thousands of unsold seats. It's like the stadium has measles.
Whilst playing to a half empty stadium would be mildly amusing and perhaps send a message - I can imagine one outcome in the future will be PJ skipping London or even Europe on future tours.
The Who said a year ago that they will likely never tour America again because it’s too expensive and that if there’s even 1 cancellation they’d likely lose money on the tour. And PJ is a band that has had cancellation issues the last 3 years. So I’d expect that this could be more of a possibility than people want to accept.
If you don’t like the price certainly don’t pay it, vote with your wallets. But if you vote “no” that may be your final answer. The rhythm section are in thier sixties, none of this will last forever.
Wonder if they’ll go back to 15-18 date Euro tours after this (hopefully they will not skip us!). I like to think the reason for the high ticket prices is that with the tour being so much shorter than normal they have less shows to spread the cost over (and not just wanting to maximise revenue). Tour length must have something to do with it, how else can QOTSA charge £55 a ticket.
Easy. QOTSA has a lower fee. People have to stop trying to make reason. If Pearl Jam wouldn‘t ask for a very high fee per show, tickets would be significantly cheaper.
They should have a much higher fee then QOTSA, not an insult to them. They aren't ever going to do larger tours then these, and if they don't want to they shouldnt have to. Touring is super expensive and I can't imagine how expensive it would be to tour abroad. If they played more shows tickets would be cheaper but then you have a band playing shows they really do not want to be playing and that doesn't always end well.
Wonder if they’ll go back to 15-18 date Euro tours after this (hopefully they will not skip us!). I like to think the reason for the high ticket prices is that with the tour being so much shorter than normal they have less shows to spread the cost over (and not just wanting to maximise revenue). Tour length must have something to do with it, how else can QOTSA charge £55 a ticket.
Easy. QOTSA has a lower fee. People have to stop trying to make reason. If Pearl Jam wouldn‘t ask for a very high fee per show, tickets would be significantly cheaper.
They should have a much higher fee than QOTSA, not an insult to them. They aren't ever going to do larger tours than these, and if they don't want to they shouldnt have to. Touring is super expensive and I can't imagine how expensive it would be to tour abroad. If they played more shows tickets would be cheaper but then you have a band playing shows they really do not want to be playing and that doesn't always end well.
Overall I think we are all looking forward for the tour. I’m ultra excited about seeing them again despite my slight disappointment in the way the whole thing played out. I do feel lucky that I can do my four shows, they always form such special memories. I feel a bit disappointed for a few people I know though on the various fan groups who are struggling financially to go (some of them missing the tour for the first time in around 30 years).
Low ticket sale in Europe is not only a fiasco in terms of unsold tickets for 2024 shows. The reputation of the band has turned from grunge heroes to greedy old corporate people
Low ticket sale in Europe is not only a fiasco in terms of unsold tickets for 2024 shows. The reputation of the band has turned from grunge heroes to greedy old corporate people
It’s hard to argue your point!
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Low ticket sale in Europe is not only a fiasco in terms of unsold tickets for 2024 shows. The reputation of the band has turned from grunge heroes to greedy old corporate people
Folks I would kill for Fenway to be 50% sold right now. It means a cheap ticket bonanza is coming your way in the days leading up to the show. Just be patient and wait for the deals. Don't get mad, find the opportunity.
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Things that are ok in the US, doesn’t mean it’s ok to do here.
Manchester is 50% sold. London is easily less than 50% sold. You reap what you sow at the end of the day.
Those saying it’s not the band and that they are entirely blameless are wrong. They’ll know what’s going on. At least Springsteen had the bottle to come out and own up to the Dynamic pricing and what he was doing.
Can see a lot of these shows being reduced or even on offer in a few weeks time.
Is already happening. The prices for Barcelona are coming down. Barcelona uppers down $30, lowers have come down by $50.
But it's too late for many. Scanning the sad comments on the socials, it's clear that our proud Spanish PJ brothers and sisters are done. Sadly, I have to hope these arenas remain half empty at show time.
If its half empty the show gets cancelled. Be careful what you wish for if you have tix
With this lovely variable pricing, a show doesn't need to sell out to be break even or be profitable. So long as they sell enough at whatever price to raise the funds for the promoter to cover all costs including paying the band, there'd be no reason to cancel even if 50% of the seats were unsold.
I get that. But on the other side, I doubt the band will want to walk out to a load of empty seats both from a pride perspective and image of the band. Hopefully they learn their lesson from this tour and go back to how it’s always been and how it should be.
Are you saying that the logical consequence of people not being willing or able to afford to pay such high ticket prices is to simply stop playing for the people in those cities? And only play in cities where people can afford the horrendous ticket prices and other costs associated with a concert experience? Find the flaw in this perverse system and what it leads to.
Are you saying that the logical consequence of people not being willing or able to afford to pay such high ticket prices is to simply stop playing for the people in those cities? And only play in cities where people can afford the horrendous ticket prices and other costs associated with a concert experience? Find the flaw in this perverse system and what it leads to.
Honestly? Switching markets is just one small step away from taking those outrageous ticket prices. I can totally see them skipping markets, where they can‘t make big dollars.
Are you saying that the logical consequence of people not being willing or able to afford to pay such high ticket prices is to simply stop playing for the people in those cities? And only play in cities where people can afford the horrendous ticket prices and other costs associated with a concert experience? Find the flaw in this perverse system and what it leads to.
In an ideal world I agree with you. I also think the prices are too high. In the real world I‘m afraid they may not come back to Europe until their farewell tour. Enough people will shell out the money then. Even doing a proper Euro tour with more shows I don’t see them lowering the price.
I also fear that this is it for Europe for the time being. They're certainly not going to put up with this kind of presale and this kind of shitstorm again in two years' time. I can only see two scenarios for another European tour going well. Reasonable prices, at least in the upper tiers from the start. Or a farewell tour with even higher prices, which the fans don't care about because it will be the last time.
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Also it’s interesting they actually lower the standard prices in Europe. With shows like Fresno and Sacramento in 2022 they did not move the lowest price at all.
Picked up front standing for London so I’m not too concerned what’s going on behind me….. just excited to see the band again shitty stadium or not
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Even doing a proper Euro tour with more shows I don’t see them lowering the price.