I can see them sticking to their 2 year routine but alter cities. Berlin and/or Amsterdam only every 4 years. I guess that would keep demand high enough to bill as they want to.
I also fear that this is it for Europe for the time being. They're certainly not going to put up with this kind of presale and this kind of shitstorm again in two years' time. I can only see two scenarios for another European tour going well. Reasonable prices, at least in the upper tiers from the start. Or a farewell tour with even higher prices, which the fans don't care about because it will be the last time.
I also fear that this is it for Europe for the time being. They're certainly not going to put up with this kind of presale and this kind of shitstorm again in two years' time. I can only see two scenarios for another European tour going well. Reasonable prices, at least in the upper tiers from the start. Or a farewell tour with even higher prices, which the fans don't care about because it will be the last time.
or hitting the festival circuit
I wouldn't worry too much. This is a shorter Euro leg than usual and they've certainly hit the resistance mark price wise. I can see them offsetting lower price tickets for regular shows with a few more festival appearances to make future tours work for them.
PJ knows that there's a decent size fanbase here with relatively high income, clearly not US level but greater than most parts of the world. They won't want to oversaturate the market in the US, so it makes sense to do Europe, South America etc once in a while.
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While i do think the tour will end up selling , i dont think barcelona night 2 and berlin night 2 will sell out, specially barcelona, Berlin night 2 will be close to sell out alongside london IF they drop the prices from the seats in the top of the stadium (in london case)
I also fear that this is it for Europe for the time being. They're certainly not going to put up with this kind of presale and this kind of shitstorm again in two years' time. I can only see two scenarios for another European tour going well. Reasonable prices, at least in the upper tiers from the start. Or a farewell tour with even higher prices, which the fans don't care about because it will be the last time.
or hitting the festival circuit
I've been thinking about this. They've played Werchter each time they've come over since 2010, and are here again at the same time but not playing this time. Is this because they've increased the booking fee and Werchter has decided they don't want to pay it, or that PJ management thought that dynamic pricing on sell out arena shows would make them more than the Werchter festival payment would? It was always one of the "bankers" around which an EU tour was set, along with Pinkpop, with occasionally Open'er or Arras Main Square in years past. UK festival wise moving forward, the only ones that can afford them are Download/BST/Reading & Leeds, Glastonbury don't pay the going rate so can be immediately ruled out. Maybe a solitary UK show at Wembley Stadium next time around, that must be a box they want to tick before they're done.
Mad Cool & NOS are the outliers, given how cheap those festivals are, for day and weekend tickets, they must be either making very little money at those prices, have any losses subsidised by sponsors/local authorities, or they had signed a multi-year deal with PJ at a price that made this possible. The crowds there will get a full PJ show for fraction of what everywhere else pays. If PJ return again, that's not going to happen.
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Haven’t read the whole thread but noticed there is now a 125 GBP tier at London for some of the lower sections at the back. The 91 GBP price isn’t moving too many of the rear uppers. And still tons of seats at the original price of 160.
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While i do think the tour will end up selling , i dont think barcelona night 2 and berlin night 2 will sell out, specially barcelona, Berlin night 2 will be close to sell out alongside london IF they drop the prices from the seats in the top of the stadium (in london case)
There is not much diffence between Berlin 1 and Berlin 2. hardly any tickets in the 3rd tier were sold for 175 EUR for both nights. I don't think they will sell out any Berlin night without further discounted tickets for the 3rd tier.
Are you saying that the logical consequence of people not being willing or able to afford to pay such high ticket prices is to simply stop playing for the people in those cities? And only play in cities where people can afford the horrendous ticket prices and other costs associated with a concert experience? Find the flaw in this perverse system and what it leads to.
Are you saying that the logical consequence of people not being willing or able to afford to pay such high ticket prices is to simply stop playing for the people in those cities? And only play in cities where people can afford the horrendous ticket prices and other costs associated with a concert experience? Find the flaw in this perverse system and what it leads to.
Yes, this exactly. Kind of like the many US cities they used to play but don’t anymore in the last decade. They aren’t interested in playing 72 shows a year anymore, something’s gonna give.
At this point in their career the number of cities/shows per tour will only go down and the price (for them and for us) will only go up. That’s reality. So yes, if one of the limited cities they still play has poor sales, they won’t be back there. Nor would it make sense to.
I dont think any of this will affect where or when they play in Europe again, maybe just a change in process e.g. ticketing system, advanced notice etc
I have a stupid question. The NZ/Aus tour had the second nights added "due to unprecedented demand." Why did they even announce the second nights in Berlin and Barcelona before the first nights sold out? Seems like they could have saved themselves some bad PR by just holding off on those. Clearly, they would not have announced the second night and maybe pivoted by adding a show or two later on to fill in the schedule gaps. It seems like adding a show in the South of France or Zurich is better than playing to a half empty arena on a Monday night in Barcelona.
I have a stupid question. The NZ/Aus tour had the second nights added "due to unprecedented demand." Why did they even announce the second nights in Berlin and Barcelona before the first nights sold out? Seems like they could have saved themselves some bad PR by just holding off on those. Clearly, they would not have announced the second night and maybe pivoted by adding a show or two later on to fill in the schedule gaps. It seems like adding a show in the South of France or Zurich is better than playing to a half empty arena on a Monday night in Barcelona.
who ever is in charge now thought they could sell out both nights with those price tickets, plain and simple.
i have no doubt that the price tickets in berlin,barcelona and london are the reason its not sold out yet, also annoucing in february and not the usual december didnt help either
Yeah in hindsight if they didn’t announce the second nights in Europe they could have had a contingency to add a different city. But there’s no way people in Prague are gonna pay those prices.
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Not sure if any line has seen but the Black Keys have just announced a short U.K. tour including a date at the Co-Op Live arena in Manchester. Will be interesting to see how well that sells. Pearl Jam are a much much bigger band than Black Keys in the U.K. so if Black Keys is an instant sell out it sort of confirms the pricing issue.
Not sure if any line has seen but the Black Keys have just announced a short U.K. tour including a date at the Co-Op Live arena in Manchester. Will be interesting to see how well that sells. Pearl Jam are a much much bigger band than Black Keys in the U.K. so if Black Keys is an instant sell out it sort of confirms the pricing issue.
The other 2 dates of which are at the soon to reopen Brixton Academy. Total of 10k across the 2 nights there if capacity isn't reduced as part of the licence conditions. Playing the arena seems an odd choice.
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I also fear that this is it for Europe for the time being. They're certainly not going to put up with this kind of presale and this kind of shitstorm again in two years' time. I can only see two scenarios for another European tour going well. Reasonable prices, at least in the upper tiers from the start. Or a farewell tour with even higher prices, which the fans don't care about because it will be the last time.
or hitting the festival circuit
I wouldn't worry too much. This is a shorter Euro leg than usual and they've certainly hit the resistance mark price wise. I can see them offsetting lower price tickets for regular shows with a few more festival appearances to make future tours work for them.
PJ knows that there's a decent size fanbase here with relatively high income, clearly not US level but greater than most parts of the world. They won't want to oversaturate the market in the US, so it makes sense to do Europe, South America etc once in a while.
Yes ticket prices stink but, Oversaturate the US market?? Most of us in New York have never seen a blue dot msg face value ticket ever, and prices are too high?
Not only are fans willing to pay the $200 for the ticket, they're paying $500 for airfare and $300 a night for hotel rooms to see them here
Yet they refuse to play an appropriate number of shows in New York commensurate with their popularity here
I also fear that this is it for Europe for the time being. They're certainly not going to put up with this kind of presale and this kind of shitstorm again in two years' time. I can only see two scenarios for another European tour going well. Reasonable prices, at least in the upper tiers from the start. Or a farewell tour with even higher prices, which the fans don't care about because it will be the last time.
or hitting the festival circuit
I wouldn't worry too much. This is a shorter Euro leg than usual and they've certainly hit the resistance mark price wise. I can see them offsetting lower price tickets for regular shows with a few more festival appearances to make future tours work for them.
PJ knows that there's a decent size fanbase here with relatively high income, clearly not US level but greater than most parts of the world. They won't want to oversaturate the market in the US, so it makes sense to do Europe, South America etc once in a while.
Yes ticket prices stink but, Oversaturate the US market?? Most of us in New York have never seen a blue dot msg face value ticket ever, and prices are too high?
Not only are fans willing to pay the $200 for the ticket, they're paying $500 for airfare and $300 a night for hotel rooms to see them here
Yet they refuse to play an appropriate number of shows in New York commensurate with their popularity here
What exactly is the "appropriate number of shows"? They don't owe anything to us. This is their job. It doesn't matter how popular they are in a given location, they tour how and where they want. If it's important to a fan, they can either accept to pay the cost of a ticket or not. So much entitlement around here.
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PJ knows that there's a decent size fanbase here with relatively high income, clearly not US level but greater than most parts of the world. They won't want to oversaturate the market in the US, so it makes sense to do Europe, South America etc once in a while.
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UK festival wise moving forward, the only ones that can afford them are Download/BST/Reading & Leeds, Glastonbury don't pay the going rate so can be immediately ruled out. Maybe a solitary UK show at Wembley Stadium next time around, that must be a box they want to tick before they're done.
Mad Cool & NOS are the outliers, given how cheap those festivals are, for day and weekend tickets, they must be either making very little money at those prices, have any losses subsidised by sponsors/local authorities, or they had signed a multi-year deal with PJ at a price that made this possible. The crowds there will get a full PJ show for fraction of what everywhere else pays. If PJ return again, that's not going to happen.
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i have no doubt that the price tickets in berlin,barcelona and london are the reason its not sold out yet, also annoucing in february and not the usual december didnt help either
also....after 2022 fuck france!
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Yes ticket prices stink but,
Oversaturate the US market?? Most of us in New York have never seen a blue dot msg face value ticket ever, and prices are too high?
Not only are fans willing to pay the $200 for the ticket, they're paying $500 for airfare and $300 a night for hotel rooms to see them here
Yet they refuse to play an appropriate number of shows in New York commensurate with their popularity here
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