Ed making the U.S a more dangerous place for you and I

catefrances

if this happened at a gig i was playing, i would have been furious. i would have voiced my opinion loudly and strongly. ed said fuck 'em?? good for him. i would have too.

Vedder316

PJAMEDVED wrote:

I know, isn't it great. Ed has the freedom to say FUCK YOU. Thats America, now your getting it. Ed didn't say those people should shut up, he's saying he'll say what he wants. See fuck em in that context means I'll say what I want. Pearl Jam has the right to bounce the recruiters aswell as give a speech about it, it's Pearl Jam's concert. You noticed they bounced em' didn't you.

I wasn't refering to you saying I'm a bad guy, everyone says that if you say your country is wrong for a war. I think thats so wierd.

So Ed's right to have an opinion the great but mine is shit?? You agreed to a post that said we should talk about our differences as a government. But its ok for Ed to say fuck you I dont care what you think or what you believe? Ok I agree Ed had the right to discuss the fact that he didn't want the recruiter being there, I even agree with Ed wanting to "bounce" them. I am just saying its a shame that Ed doesn't want people to sign up for the military, bullshit war or not we need them. I'm sure current troops wouldn't like Ed removing them. They dont need anything else to worry about.

Vedder316

PJAMEDVED wrote:

Conversation over - you just compaired someone telling someone fuck you to people dropping bombs on other people. I'm outta this thread. lame.

Not seeing where I made that comparison. I did not mean to offend.

Jeanie

Vedder316 wrote:

I know I will probably receive some slack for this but it been on my mind for a few days so here it goes. A few days ago i got the Mansfield 2(great show!). I found what Ed said after whipping to be a bit out of line and it sort of pissed me off. If you do know what he said here is a abbreviated summary. After rocking out whipping he talks about a marine recruiting person being at the first Mansfield show. He then states how some of his best friends are marines and ex-marines and how he supports their work. He goes on to say that he has a relationship with the people there to see the gig and he felt that the marine recruiter there was trying to get them to "bite a poison apple" and "these are our people and we're trying to take care of them", "so there is no marine recruiting center out there, its gone". Ok now I am sure theres a good chance that the marines where not going to get anyone to sign up for the marines at a Pearl Jam concert but what was the harm in having them there? Its those marines and other armed forces branches that fight and die so that Ed can verbally criticize the leaders of the country he lives in. Go to Iran Ed and say some shit about their leaders in front of 15,000 of their citizens, see how that works out for ya. Its those great people that helped rescues victims of hurricane Katrina. Its those great people that keep our country safe ect ect. Now why would Ed want to prevent people from signing up for the marines? (no matter how small the contribution) The armed forces of today rely on future personnel to relieve them in time of war and relief, learn new things and ways to aid them in future conflicts, and to make them more stronger and safer in the numbers ect. Low recruiting numbers effect the troops of today in a very negative way and it angers me Ed contributes to that. Its like we should all thank him for the marine recruiter removal because we all agree with what Eddie thinks. Are there really that many puppets at the shows that Eddie can assume we all wanted the removal? If he felt that bad about a recruiter being there, fine, have them removed for the 2nd show, but dont announce it and assume we all think your a hero for doing so. I think Ed needs to lay off the bottles of wine and watch what he says at shows. It may come back to him some day. I applaud and respect the men and women who want to join the armed forces. I hope the keep doing it, in great numbers. They are the only reason our country safe with leaders like this.

Wait!!! Are you saying that marine recruitment set up a recruitment stand outside the venue? WTF?????

Because I would liken that to being as offensive as those idiots from Westboro protesting at funerals for gay marines and about as useful as those that feel the need to protest about Jesus and the devil outside a Marilyn Manson concert or those truly charming individuals that protest outside abortion clinics. Or all those uninformed and badly behaved individuals that booed and hissed at the Vietnam vets when they returned. There's a time and a place. If this is true, then I have even less respect for the practices of Marine Recruitment Officers than I had before and I didn't think that was possible.

Surf Rider

Jeanie wrote:

Wait!!! Are you saying that marine recruitment set up a recruitment stand outside the venue? WTF?????

Because I would liken that to being as offensive as those idiots from Westboro protesting at funerals for gay marines and about as useful as those that feel the need to protest about Jesus and the devil outside a Marilyn Manson concert or those truly charming individuals that protest outside abortion clinics. Or all those uninformed and badly behaved individuals that booed and hissed at the Vietnam vets when they returned. There's a time and a place. If this is true, then I have even less respect for the practices of Marine Recruitment Officers than I had before and I didn't think that was possible.

No inside the venue! Ed got rid of them for the second night.

Jeanie

PJAMEDVED wrote:

No inside the venue! Ed got rid of them for the second night.

Ok, I'm just....well I'm flabbergasted really. So there were Marine Recruitment Officers IN THE VENUE, touting for business? And that's all Ed said, all he did?

Surf Rider

Vedder316 wrote:

Not seeing where I made that comparison. I did not mean to offend.

Alright, it's cool. I can see your not the type of person I originally thought from reading your first post. We just disagee, all is cool.

Surf Rider

Jeanie wrote:

Ok, I'm just....well I'm flabbergasted really. So there were Marine Recruitment Officers IN THE VENUE, touting for business? And that's all Ed said, all he did?

I should verify. Inside the gates I guess, like it was a concession stand. I did not see it, I am going by word of mouth.

Vedder316

PJAMEDVED wrote:

Alright, it's cool. I can see your not the type of person I originally thought from reading your first post. We just disagee, all is cool.

Thanks, take care.

whichwaysign

you had me until that more stronger line,

no more (of this) war

Anon

Vedder316 wrote:

I know I will probably receive some slack for this but it been on my mind for a few days so here it goes. A few days ago i got the Mansfield 2(great show!). I found what Ed said after whipping to be a bit out of line and it sort of pissed me off. If you do know what he said here is a abbreviated summary. After rocking out whipping he talks about a marine recruiting person being at the first Mansfield show. He then states how some of his best friends are marines and ex-marines and how he supports their work. He goes on to say that he has a relationship with the people there to see the gig and he felt that the marine recruiter there was trying to get them to "bite a poison apple" and "these are our people and we're trying to take care of them", "so there is no marine recruiting center out there, its gone". Ok now I am sure theres a good chance that the marines where not going to get anyone to sign up for the marines at a Pearl Jam concert but what was the harm in having them there? Its those marines and other armed forces branches that fight and die so that Ed can verbally criticize the leaders of the country he lives in. Go to Iran Ed and say some shit about their leaders in front of 15,000 of their citizens, see how that works out for ya. Its those great people that helped rescues victims of hurricane Katrina. Its those great people that keep our country safe ect ect. Now why would Ed want to prevent people from signing up for the marines? (no matter how small the contribution) The armed forces of today rely on future personnel to relieve them in time of war and relief, learn new things and ways to aid them in future conflicts, and to make them more stronger and safer in the numbers ect. Low recruiting numbers effect the troops of today in a very negative way and it angers me Ed contributes to that. Its like we should all thank him for the marine recruiter removal because we all agree with what Eddie thinks. Are there really that many puppets at the shows that Eddie can assume we all wanted the removal? If he felt that bad about a recruiter being there, fine, have them removed for the 2nd show, but dont announce it and assume we all think your a hero for doing so. I think Ed needs to lay off the bottles of wine and watch what he says at shows. It may come back to him some day. I applaud and respect the men and women who want to join the armed forces. I hope the keep doing it, in great numbers. They are the only reason our country safe with leaders like this.

You know what............. there is no other way to say this: FUCK YOU

Jeanie

PJAMEDVED wrote:

I should verify. Inside the gates I guess, like it was a concession stand. I did not see it, I am going by word of mouth.

Oh wow, that's just rude, plain rude really.

I'm assuming they were in uniform and doing something that indicated they were recruiting?

I can't believe it. Just cannot. The lengths that people will go to to further their agenda.

pjfan31

Vedder316 wrote:

and relief, learn new things and ways to aid them in future conflicts

I think Ed criticises because he wants to avoid these future conflicts. he, like all of us wants peace. He wants to stop the deaths of so many peoople. It's not just the U,.S that feel these deaths, it's the Aussies, the brits and even the Iraqis. Did you know that the population of Iraq has gone down a total of 2% since the war started? Not all of them were bad guys either. Some were inocent children. It's not the troops he talks down, Its the conflict.

God bless all of them, they are doing a great job.

Vedder316

Tackalac wrote:

You know what............. there is no other way to say this: FUCK YOU

A shame to get that kind of a reaction. I was just stating a thought. I'm sorry the title of the read as it did. I agree it was not the smartest thing to state and it was a bit strong. But to tell me to fuck off? Sounds like you have had better days, resorting to that kind of hate. I hope things get better for you. Take care.

Vedder316

pjfan31 wrote:

I think Ed criticises because he wants to avoid these future conflicts. he, like all of us wants peace. He wants to stop the deaths of so many peoople. It's not just the U,.S that feel these deaths, it's the Aussies, the brits and even the Iraqis. Did you know that the population of Iraq has gone down a total of 2% since the war started? Not all of them were bad guys either. Some were inocent children. It's not the troops he talks down, Its the conflict.

God bless all of them, they are doing a great job.

God bless indeed.

Vedderlution_Baby

If anyone is making this country more dangerous by discouraging people to sign up for the military, it's the politicians. They tell us we're going to fight the good fight and go after the people who did 911. Alright. So that's what we do...at first. Then they pull out the smoke and mirrors and tell us Iraq are a huge threat that must be dealt with immediately. They hold news conferences that details the arsenal that Iraq has. The news runs reports on how unstable the region is, and how all their hate is directed at us. What nobody fucking told us was that they cherry picked the information that indicated Iraq and Saddam were a threat. Then they said Saddam had a hand in 911. Once again, misinformation that targeted the publics emotions. And the whole time the secrecy of this administration is pushing everyone away, making it hard for anyone to trust them. After all this blows up they expect people to put their lives on the line for a government that lies to them? Then they decide that a good thing to do is discriminate so intensely against (gays and atheists) that those people don't want to join. The politicians are the real WMDs.

Vedder316

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

If anyone is making this country more dangerous by discouraging people to sign up for the military, it's the politicians. They tell us we're going to fight the good fight and go after the people who did 911. Alright. So that's what we do...at first. Then they pull out the smoke and mirrors and tell us Iraq are a huge threat that must be dealt with immediately. They hold news conferences that details the arsenal that Iraq has. The news runs reports on how unstable the region is, and how all their hate is directed at us. What nobody fucking told us was that they cherry picked the information that indicated Iraq and Saddam were a threat. Then they said Saddam had a hand in 911. Once again, misinformation that targeted the publics emotions. And the whole time the secrecy of this administration is pushing everyone away, making it hard for anyone to trust them. After all this blows up they expect people to put their lives on the line for a government that lies to them? Then they decide that a good thing to do is discriminate so intensely against (gays and atheists) that those people don't want to join. The politicians are the real WMDs.

I agree. I think people join up because the love and care for their country not the morons that run it.

Anon

Vedder316 wrote:

A shame to get that kind of a reaction. I was just stating a thought. I'm sorry the title of the read as it did. I agree it was not the smartest thing to state and it was a bit strong. But to tell me to fuck off? Sounds like you have had better days, resorting to that kind of hate. I hope things get better for you. Take care.

You know what is funny about this whole thing is that I tried to let you off easy by saying FUCK YOU. You dont want to know what I really think about you, and every time I have written a detailed deconstruction of who and what it is to be and live a life like you do, it gets ignored. So, it was both easier for me and for you since you wouldnt have to read so much to get to the same spot of confusion and bliss. You havent opened up anything other than a large window into your hollow brain. Wrestle with yourself for a while and then we can talk at the end of it; once you have recognized and walked away from the shallow end of a brain that has yet to have an original thought flow through it. My best days are filled with everything that you are not..............so, no, this is not my best day.

Anon

"Watch what he says"

You fucking cock loving saladface......... You hate everything not you and we hate you for how you hate, and nothing else.........

Niko80

Not to ruin the vibe of this thread, but I just love going to the shows to listen to some good music. His five minute rants/speeches is not what I take away with me.