Ed making the U.S a more dangerous place for you and I

hiding103006

last time i checked the was a pretty sizeable difference between censoring words and censoring actions. censored actions are usually referred to as... illegal.


not saying the marine booth was illegal, but wow is that out of context...

morgie2

_outlaw wrote:

How did Ed censor the marines? He expressed disagreement but it's not like he kicked them out.

They were there 6/28, and Ed made his statements, and then 6/30 they weren't there. If it walks like a duck .......... As I said, I'm a huge fan, but that doesn't mean I think he's perfect.

finnannie

morgie2 wrote:

everyone loves peace, but we don't live in Fantasyland. There are BAD people in this world that use terrorism and fear. They hurt others. Sometimes you need to stand up to bullys (Saddam, Hitler, Bin Laden etc.). And sometimes you get bloodied in the process. I love Eddie, his music, his passion, and his patriotism, but I disagree with alot of his views. I think it's a little hypocritical to be angry at censorship (Chicago show) and then censor the Marines for their recruiting "booth".

Oh really? Fuck, I'm glad I don't live anywhere near USA - I mean, it's nice to stop by every now and then, but no way in hell would I ever move there when things are the way they are right now - and I'm not just talking about the war, freedom-issues, fucked up healthcare, education -system(s), etc. Sorry to bash your country, but thats the way it is. Fantasyland? Well, maybe it's hard for you to believe that people can actually live without wars, have democracy, freedom of speech and all that, shit - we are doing quite well here in Finland btw. If you need people like Saddam, Hitler, Bin Laden etc. to blame all the shit that's happening in the world, you really don't dig too deep in issues do you. And you think censorship is okay? Fine, but some people don't like it when their freedom is being restricted and controlled in the name of safety - SAFETY? Your own leaders are a much bigger threat to you americans than any middle eastern oil-country. But I guess it all comes down to what you value in life. Nothing personal, but if most americans are thinking like you - the future surely doesn't look too bright for you guys. Again, nothing personal - there's so much good, generous, intelligent people over there - it just makes me really sad to see your fine country falling down in flames, economically/peoples rights-wise/etc. I believe peace could work, but there's just too much fucking dumb people in this world.

Ed has every right to speak out his opinions, and I, personally admire him for that.

Respectfully,
Anni

PS,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE

zootown

NumberTenOx wrote:

What's difficult to understand about that?

Stupid war that has wasted lives, money, and goodwill around the world, all because a bunch of fat government fucks had a brain-dead fantasy about controlling the Middle East's oil reserves.

Yet the troops are there to fight for our freedom and safety. They are people just like me and you, mostly courageously doing what they think is right and necessary, for little pay and less acknowledgement and support.

Our soldiers' lives are being wasted. Having a recruiting station is like saying "the Iraq war is great".

That's what I heard Eddie saying that night.

This is not hard to understand, but I admit I struggle with the paradox of the whole thing. Can you fully respect someone who is willing to die, orphan his children and bring tremendous sadness to his family for a cause that is sketchy at best. I mean, the deeds and life of the average soldier in the Middle East are difficult, life-threatening and arduous, deserving of respect for sure- but I cannot give unconditional respect for it because I so strongly question whether or not it is necessary...I think Eddie voices this alot, he does not see things in absolutes; he gives respect and love to Tomas Young, but he continues to call out the legitimacy of the war-

High Fidelity 2000

I don't really agree with your post.

But maybe they should set up a marine recruiting stand and right next to it, set up a cigarette selling stand. John McCain could man the cigarette stand, and hope there are lots of Iranian PJ fans there that night.

I think Ed is probably very, very upset with what has happened with Thomas Young. He considers him a friend. And he sees that if this guy had not joined the military, his life would be fine right now. I don't know.

The main reason I opened this thread was to tell you that your subject is wrong. It should be "a more dangerous place for you and me." Not you and I. If you take out either the you or the I, the sentence still has to make sense, and the way it is written you would not say "a more dangerous place for I." I have seen and heard so many people doing this lately, it's like it's getting worse. People think they are being fancy and correct saying "I" instead of me and they just sound like morons. "Give your money to John or I." Stuff like that.

I know, I'm a dork.

faithful2you

I didn't read through all the responses....I don't have time for 10 pages so this is just my opinion on it.

Even with being in the military for the past 13 years, his comments do not offend me...in fact, I agree with a lot of what he says regarding our government. Of course some things are off the deep end and there are a lot of political affiliated people he supports that I do not agree with but it's hard to agree with 100% of the opions of everyone.

I like to believe that Eddie (and the band) want what is best for this country and that is why he believes/says the things he does. Just like everyone else...the road to get there is where people differ.

I could get into a lot more about this but like I said, I have no time.

I have different perspectives than Eddie about some issues, but I think I could sit down and have an educated discusion with him about any subject....and nothing he would say could offend me.

billybob7088

smithnic wrote:

That is not as cut and dry as it seems.
our military bases in Saudi Arabia and continued exploitation and military action in the "holy land" is what pisses people off.

That and our unilateral support of Israel

Well as you might know our bases are gone now. PSAB was once the largest AF base on the planet. Billions of dollars was spent on the base then one day shorty after 9/11 it closed and everything mover to Qatar.

morgie2

Mohab wrote:

Standing up to bullies was rhetoric used by Hitler and Bin Laden (against the powers of the west for imposing the economically/socially crippling treaty of Versailles on the German's and against the Israel/US movements against the various 'BAD' guys known as the Muslim world. Not to say much for either of those people who thought nothing of using violence against others to attain some product of their self delusions. Are you really that comfortable in calling yourself 'GOOD'? Whos the big bad global bully Iraq and Saddam? Thats just plain ridiculous and a little amazing to think you actually beleive that.

Iraq isn't a bully any more. Whose to say that unchecked we wouldn't have had another Hitler on our hands. That's where history helps us when we don't make the same mistakes. Unfortunately history didn't help Bush. He seems to be using the same "exit Strategy" we used in Vietnam. Anyway, with everything this country does in the way relief efforts whether they be foo, clothing shelter, education, money etc. I have ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM COMFORTABLY CALLING THIS COUNTRY "GOOD".

faithful2you

High Fidelity 2000 wrote:

The main reason I opened this thread was to tell you that your subject is wrong. It should be "a more dangerous place for you and me." Not you and I. If you take out either the you or the I, the sentence still has to make sense, and the way it is written you would not say "a more dangerous place for I." I have seen and heard so many people doing this lately, it's like it's getting worse. People think they are being fancy and correct saying "I" instead of me and they just sound like morons. "Give your money to John or I." Stuff like that.

I know, I'm a dork.

haha....that annoys the piss out of me too!

faithful2you

billybob7088 wrote:

Well as you might know our bases are gone now. PSAB was once the largest AF base on the planet. Billions of dollars was spent on the base then one day shorty after 9/11 it closed and everything mover to Qatar.

Actually I was at PSAB in 2003....it didn't move to Qatar until 2004 or 2005. And the Saudi people there (it was a Saudi owned military installation) were extremely nice. It was the French military stationed there I didn't like....

But you're right, there are no US military bases in Saudi anymore....but Saudi - Qatar.....same thing.

Vedder316

Ok I changed the title of the post. I realize that it was way over the top and I apologize to Ed and the readers for the original title. To the people telling me to "fuck off" and the hand full of malicious jabs that where made. I was just sharing an opinion. The same thing that Ed did. So show the same respect that you show Ed and the other that agree with him. I never questioned Eds love for his country, patriotism, or his right to say what he wants. It was just an opinion of what he said and did. Edward is a great American for expressing his opinion how ever I dont agree with him having them removed. Wasn't it Ed that had a big problem when he was censored at lollapalooza? I know that may be a stretch comparison. I just wish people would have a little more respect for someone who shares an opinion. No one is wrong here. We are all right to have our independent thoughts. To be insulted for that is just saddening. I have loved this band since its beginnings and will continue to do so. I was just throwing out a thought or 2 of the situation. So please if you can not reply with insults or nastiness please dont, I didn't intend for this to be a place to bash other peoples thoughts. And as for Tackalac I do not hate people who dont share my opinion, I welcome and respect opposition. The words you have typed are hurtful and uncalled for. I not once expressed hate for anyone. If I implied that i did please enlighten me. The statement you made in post #60 is unfortunate and uncalled for. I did not intend for this to be a bashing session and apologize if my comments led the conversation astray. Take care.

finnannie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE

peace

(just postin this link, if anyone missed my previous post)

faithful2you

FUCK....see, I said I had no time and I come in and can't leave.

This place is a fucking trap.

morgie2

finnannie wrote:

Oh really? Fuck, I'm glad I don't live anywhere near USA - I mean, it's nice to stop by every now and then, but no way in hell would I ever move there when things are the way they are right now - and I'm not just talking about the war, freedom-issues, fucked up healthcare, education -system(s), etc. Sorry to bash your country, but thats the way it is. Fantasyland? Well, maybe it's hard for you to believe that people can actually live without wars, have democracy, freedom of speech and all that, shit - we are doing quite well here in Finland btw. If you need people like Saddam, Hitler, Bin Laden etc. to blame all the shit that's happening in the world, you really don't dig too deep in issues do you. And you think censorship is okay? Fine, but some people don't like it when their freedom is being restricted and controlled in the name of safety - SAFETY? Your own leaders are a much bigger threat to you americans than any middle eastern oil-country. But I guess it all comes down to what you value in life. Nothing personal, but if most americans are thinking like you - the future surely doesn't look too bright for you guys. Again, nothing personal - there's so much good, generous, intelligent people over there - it just makes me really sad to see your fine country falling down in flames, economically/peoples rights-wise/etc. I believe peace could work, but there's just too much fucking dumb people in this world.

Ed has every right to speak out his opinions, and I, personally admire him for that.

Respectfully,
Anni

Must be nice to live in a spectator country. Probably why every 40 years or so we have to bail your asses out. Convenient memory. I'm glad you don't live anywhere near here either. I love how you close with "respectfully". Your post was anything but. I'm on the site to exchange views, ideas, maybe learn something from people that have at least one thing in common with me, PJ. This is why politics can never be talked about in a civil manner. Too emotional.

faithful2you

Vedder316 wrote:

Ok I changed the title of the post. I realize that it was way over the top and I apologize to Ed and the readers for the original title. To the people telling me to "fuck off" and the hand full of malicious jabs that where made. I was just sharing an opinion. The same thing that Ed did. So show the same respect that you show Ed and the other that agree with him. I never questioned Eds love for his country, patriotism, or his right to say what he wants. It was just an opinion of what he said and did. Edward is a great American for expressing his opinion how ever I dont agree with him having them removed. Wasn't it Ed that had a big problem when he was censored at lollapalooza? I know that may be a stretch comparison. I just wish people would have a little more respect for someone who shares an opinion. No one is wrong here. We are all right to have our independent thoughts. To be insulted for that is just saddening. I have loved this band since its beginnings and will continue to do so. I was just throwing out a thought or 2 of the situation. So please if you can not reply with insults or nastiness please dont, I didn't intend for this to be a place to bash other peoples thoughts. And as for Tackalac I do not hate people who dont share my opinion, I welcome and respect opposition. The words you have typed are hurtful and uncalled for. I not once expressed hate for anyone. If I implied that i did please enlighten me. The statement you made in post #60 is unfortunate and uncalled for. I did not intend for this to be a bashing session and apologize if my comments led the conversation astray. Take care.

Unfortuantly that is happening on this board more and more. Don't let it bother you.....a lot of people are hypocrites and only follow their values if it benefits themselves. Baaa Baaa


Fuck, see....I'm still on here.....I have so much shit to get done.

finnannie

morgie2 wrote:

Must be nice to live in a spectator country. Probably why every 40 years or so we have to bail your asses out. Convenient memory. I'm glad you don't live anywhere near here either. I love how you close with "respectfully". Your post was anything but. I'm on the site to exchange views, ideas, maybe learn something from people that have at least one thing in common with me, PJ. This is why politics can never be talked about in a civil manner. Too emotional.

Sorry to hear your emotions were hurt, but sometimes that happens with freedom of speech. I generally try to avoid conversations like this, but when you said I must be living in "fantasyland" with my thoughts of peace - I just felt I needed to respond. I'm not going to apologize of what I said, because I meant every word.

Could you be more specific about that comment you made about bailing our asses every 40 years?

Peace.

High Fidelity 2000

I've thought about this some more. The reason I don't like military recruiters is that for the most part, they prey on the young. They go to high schools and try to get kids college aged to sign up by telling them all sorts of benefits (and in reality we know how the govt treats veterans...not very well). "You can see the world...we pay for college..."

Yeah that's all well and good if you don't die or if you want to see the world and go to college with artificial limbs because you got blown up when we sent you to Iraq.

18 year olds and people of that age just don't really have the life experience to make decisions for themselves. That's why recruiters are dangerous. They don't (as far as I know) send out guys in wheelchairs to recruit people. They send out these guys that make it sound like having a "cool" job with all these benefits, and yeah, you might be asked to serve your country by being thrown into the most dangerous situation you can imagine, but hey...we pay for your college!!!! Don't you like video games and computers? You can do the same thing with us!

You could just as well have a table up for Mafia Recruiters and have some Italian Americans going "Ehh, you ever think about joining up the life of organized crime? We get free TVs, lots of good friends to hang out with, chicks dig you, you'll be set for life. Lots of money. No funny business. Fuggedaboutit. Come with us." And kids would say "Hey, that DOES sound cool, where do I sign up?"

Mad Mohab

finnannie wrote:

Could you be more specific about that comment you made about bailing our asses every 40 years?

Peace.

America did not enter WW2 for any other reason that to shift the power to their corner, not to save the jews, not to and not because they cared that much about the european nations who first cam under attack by the nazi's. They sensed thir interest at home and abroad were threatened, now think they made a selfless sacrifice. How long was the holocaust in action before they entered the war? How long do you think the States would have gone on unmolested by the kaiser in ww1 or if Hitler had conquered Europe? This and not the safety of Sweden was undoubtadley the rational behind uS activity in either of those two conclicts.

just my thought

morgie2

finnannie wrote:

Sorry to hear your emotions were hurt, but sometimes that happens with freedom of speech. I generally try to avoid conversations like this, but when you said I must be living in "fantasyland" with my thoughts of peace - I just felt I needed to respond. I'm not going to apologize of what I said, because I meant every word.

Could you be more specific about that comment you made about bailing our asses every 40 years?

Peace.

Specifically I was talking about the fact the big bad U.S. has to come over to Europe and re-instate your "freedom of speech" for you because one of your peace loving neighbors has decided to take over the world again. Is that specific enough? BTW, take you apology and shove it, or should I say go to Hell-sinki.

Mad Mohab

morgie2 wrote:

Iraq isn't a bully any more. Whose to say that unchecked we wouldn't have had another Hitler on our hands. That's where history helps us when we don't make the same mistakes. Unfortunately history didn't help Bush. He seems to be using the same "exit Strategy" we used in Vietnam. Anyway, with everything this country does in the way relief efforts whether they be foo, clothing shelter, education, money etc. I have ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM COMFORTABLY CALLING THIS COUNTRY "GOOD".

GOOD for you. Join the club of black and whiters who are taking us down. Too bad you are unable to step outside the box and see things from both sides, the first step in understanding and resolving any conflict.