Ed making the U.S a more dangerous place for you and I

chuck nevitt

Wow, Anni say what you say, but to claim to look at ourselves in the mirror because of the likes of Hitler. So what did we put into his head in order for him to kill millions?

Enlighten this stupid American.

finnannie

chuck nevitt wrote:

Wow, Anni say what you say, but to claim to look at ourselves in the mirror because of the likes of Hitler. So what did we put into his head in order for him to kill millions?

Enlighten this stupid American.

Wasn't speaking about american people in general; what I meant is, ask yourself a question - is Hitler alone guilty of all the horrible deaths that happened during "his era" - shouldn't we be pointing a finger to all those people (civilians included) who blindly followed him and his ideologies? And gave him the power? I think people who don't use their own brains and think for themselves - and don't live up to their OWN beliefs, are as much to blame as the leader. This goes for Saddam, Bin Laden and others as well -- it's very unfortunate that people follow each other and their leaders "eyes closed".

slightofjeff

JustOut wrote:

America did not enter WW2 for any other reason that to shift the power to their corner,

Well, that and to keep from getting bombed (again) by the Japanese ...

faithful2you

finnannie wrote:

Wasn't speaking about american people in general; what I meant is, ask yourself a question - is Hitler alone guilty of all the horrible deaths that happened during "his era" - shouldn't we be pointing a finger to all those people (civilians included) who blindly followed him and his ideologies? And gave him the power? I think people who don't use their own brains and think for themselves - and don't live up to their OWN beliefs, are as much to blame as the leader. This goes for Saddam, Bin Laden and others as well -- it's very unfortunate that people follow each other and their leaders "eyes closed".

That mind set would lead me to believe you agree with what is going on in Iraq then.

chuck nevitt

finnannie wrote:

Wasn't speaking about american people in general; what I meant is, ask yourself a question - is Hitler alone guilty of all the horrible deaths that happened during "his era" - shouldn't we be pointing a finger to all those people (civilians included) who blindly followed him and his ideologies? And gave him the power? I think people who don't use their own brains and think for themselves - and don't live up to their OWN beliefs, are as much to blame as the leader. This goes for Saddam, Bin Laden and others as well -- it's very unfortunate that people follow each other and their leaders "eyes closed".

Blaming those that follow of course is worthy. Now would you turn a blind eye and guarantee your safety or speak up and go burn in an oven?

I speak only of Hitler, because IMO he should not be characterized with the likes of the others you spoke of.

finnannie

faithful2you wrote:

That mind set would lead me to believe you agree with what is going on in Iraq then.

I wonder how you came to that conclusion - quite the contrary...

I'm very much against that war, for many reasons - already said in this thread. I'm very much of an ANTI-war person.

finnannie

chuck nevitt wrote:

Blaming those that follow of course is worthy. Now would you turn a blind eye and guarantee your safety or speak up and go burn in an oven?

I speak only of Hitler, because IMO he should not be characterized with the likes of the others you spoke of.

This is like the question "would you jump into a lion pit to rescue Eddie Vedder?"

And yes, it would definitely be difficult to jump off from "a burning ship that has already sailed" and far from the shore - people should have realized the direction things were going long before and let that boat sail without them. Many people fled the Nazi Germany to other countries.

This thread is going pretty much off road.

What more can I say - people have the right to stand up for their freedom of speech, beliefs ..etc, among other things - Eddie has that right too (and PJ). People who don't have the brains or courage to stand up for themselves and their OWN thoughts, deserve every bit of the shit that flies their way.


peace.

Mad Mohab

slightofjeff wrote:

Well, that and to keep from getting bombed (again) by the Japanese ...

That was part of my point. To save thier own skin. Not Europes freedom or anyone elses instrisically, but instrumentally in light of protecting their own. Another poster suggested America selflessly charges to the aid of countires like sweden (every40 years apparently).

crazyindigo82

I'm sorry but I disagree- I respect and appreciate what our military does for us- no doubt about that... I grew up an inch away from West Point and have many happy memories there... but the recruiters are lying- bold faced lie to them by saying "Oh we won't we in Iraq that much longer" or "Oh you'll be fine and this is what's best for you..."
Screw the ones who are tricking our young men and women into joining. Be honest- be straight up. But don't be another Bush.

rasty10

the point of all his rants is to express how ridiculous their mission is. You sign up because you want to do some good for your country (not all), but now it seems you're signing up for something that is in fact hurting your country...so why would you sign up for that?.........on another note, I know several guys who signed up because of the benefits they receive when they come back, so I wouldn't go so far as to call all the US soldiers great people....willing to kill someone for their own benefits...please.

smokenatree

Vedder316 wrote:

I know I will probably receive some slack for this but it been on my mind for a few days so here it goes. A few days ago i got the Mansfield 2(great show!). I found what Ed said after whipping to be a bit out of line and it sort of pissed me off. If you do know what he said here is a abbreviated summary. After rocking out whipping he talks about a marine recruiting person being at the first Mansfield show. He then states how some of his best friends are marines and ex-marines and how he supports their work. He goes on to say that he has a relationship with the people there to see the gig and he felt that the marine recruiter there was trying to get them to "bite a poison apple" and "these are our people and we're trying to take care of them", "so there is no marine recruiting center out there, its gone". Ok now I am sure theres a good chance that the marines where not going to get anyone to sign up for the marines at a Pearl Jam concert but what was the harm in having them there? Its those marines and other armed forces branches that fight and die so that Ed can verbally criticize the leaders of the country he lives in. Go to Iran Ed and say some shit about their leaders in front of 15,000 of their citizens, see how that works out for ya. Its those great people that helped rescues victims of hurricane Katrina. Its those great people that keep our country safe ect ect. Now why would Ed want to prevent people from signing up for the marines? (no matter how small the contribution) The armed forces of today rely on future personnel to relieve them in time of war and relief, learn new things and ways to aid them in future conflicts, and to make them more stronger and safer in the numbers ect. Low recruiting numbers effect the troops of today in a very negative way and it angers me Ed contributes to that. Its like we should all thank him for the marine recruiter removal because we all agree with what Eddie thinks. Are there really that many puppets at the shows that Eddie can assume we all wanted the removal? If he felt that bad about a recruiter being there, fine, have them removed for the 2nd show, but dont announce it and assume we all think your a hero for doing so. I think Ed needs to lay off the bottles of wine and watch what he says at shows. It may come back to him some day. I applaud and respect the men and women who want to join the armed forces. I hope the keep doing it, in great numbers. They are the only reason our country safe with leaders like this.

Althought I don't agree with the marines setting up at a rock concert where alot of people are going to be thrashed, I agree with the concept of your whole message. I agree that we should pull all the troops out and just fortify our country and feed our homeless, etc. etc. Without the troops, eddie wouldn't be able to do what he does..The armed forces are just doing their jobs they are told what to do. I almost joined the military as an officer because they would have paid for my medical school and they are giving great signing bonuses, but I chose against it. This would have been nothing like the front lines that the marines must deal with but at least I could have helped our bravest troops on the front lines. To summarize our everyday life only exists because of OUR TROOPS...and eddie should be thankful that people fight for him so he can maintain his way of life...

IAmMyself

Wasn't at the concert, but heard it on tape and YOU TOTALLY MISSED THE POINT! That is why before he made the comment he separated marines for RECRUITERS. If you don't know, educate yourself, right now we have recruiters promising kids the world and then sending them to IRAQ, that being the poison apple. :(

Eddie's not a dumb fuck regardless of what you think, or how many bottles of wine he may drink, and he can say whatever the fuck he wants, that is what marines fight for, right? OUR FREEDOM!

You have a choice to, don't go to the show!

I LOVE my country but I hate it's leaders!
I do not support the war, but I do support our troops, so you can't label me!

P.S. watch storytellers!

Ledbetterman10

Vedder316 wrote:

I know I will probably receive some slack for this but it been on my mind for a few days so here it goes. A few days ago i got the Mansfield 2(great show!). I found what Ed said after whipping to be a bit out of line and it sort of pissed me off. If you do know what he said here is a abbreviated summary. After rocking out whipping he talks about a marine recruiting person being at the first Mansfield show. He then states how some of his best friends are marines and ex-marines and how he supports their work. He goes on to say that he has a relationship with the people there to see the gig and he felt that the marine recruiter there was trying to get them to "bite a poison apple" and "these are our people and we're trying to take care of them", "so there is no marine recruiting center out there, its gone". Ok now I am sure theres a good chance that the marines where not going to get anyone to sign up for the marines at a Pearl Jam concert but what was the harm in having them there? Its those marines and other armed forces branches that fight and die so that Ed can verbally criticize the leaders of the country he lives in. Go to Iran Ed and say some shit about their leaders in front of 15,000 of their citizens, see how that works out for ya. Its those great people that helped rescues victims of hurricane Katrina. Its those great people that keep our country safe ect ect. Now why would Ed want to prevent people from signing up for the marines? (no matter how small the contribution) The armed forces of today rely on future personnel to relieve them in time of war and relief, learn new things and ways to aid them in future conflicts, and to make them more stronger and safer in the numbers ect. Low recruiting numbers effect the troops of today in a very negative way and it angers me Ed contributes to that. Its like we should all thank him for the marine recruiter removal because we all agree with what Eddie thinks. Are there really that many puppets at the shows that Eddie can assume we all wanted the removal? If he felt that bad about a recruiter being there, fine, have them removed for the 2nd show, but dont announce it and assume we all think your a hero for doing so. I think Ed needs to lay off the bottles of wine and watch what he says at shows. It may come back to him some day. I applaud and respect the men and women who want to join the armed forces. I hope the keep doing it, in great numbers. They are the only reason our country safe with leaders like this.

1) Nice paragraph. try to split it into two or three next time so it's readable.

2) If he doesn't want marine recruiters there, they shouldn't be there. It's his concert.

3) Marine recruiters should go to high school cafeterias to talk to 18 year olds. they have no business at a rock concert.

EvilRabbit

Marine recruiters at a concert where some young people are consuming alcohol, smoking herb, and potentially not thinking straight...?

Yeah, I agree with Ed, let them prowl for cannon fodder elsewhere.

momofglynn

I actually said to myself at mansfield 1 that the recruiter station has every right to be there. But a part of me thinks that they were there specifically because PJ was playing. I have never been a to a show at great woods where there has been a recruiter in the past or maybe I just never paid attention but I have to say that I have been to at least 100 shows there. So in my eyes, I'm glad they got the boot. If I want to sign up I'll know where to find them.

I support the troops but not the cause. Anytime I see a military person I thank them for what they do.

crazyindigo82

I wish I could quote all of the awesome replies, but there's just too many... Glad I'm not the only one that supports the troops but not the cause. Thanks ya'll for backing this up

ScottandPearlJam

Vedder316 wrote:

I know I will probably receive some slack for this but it been on my mind for a few days so here it goes. A few days ago i got the Mansfield 2(great show!). I found what Ed said after whipping to be a bit out of line and it sort of pissed me off. If you do know what he said here is a abbreviated summary. After rocking out whipping he talks about a marine recruiting person being at the first Mansfield show. He then states how some of his best friends are marines and ex-marines and how he supports their work. He goes on to say that he has a relationship with the people there to see the gig and he felt that the marine recruiter there was trying to get them to "bite a poison apple" and "these are our people and we're trying to take care of them", "so there is no marine recruiting center out there, its gone". Ok now I am sure theres a good chance that the marines where not going to get anyone to sign up for the marines at a Pearl Jam concert but what was the harm in having them there? Its those marines and other armed forces branches that fight and die so that Ed can verbally criticize the leaders of the country he lives in. Go to Iran Ed and say some shit about their leaders in front of 15,000 of their citizens, see how that works out for ya. Its those great people that helped rescues victims of hurricane Katrina. Its those great people that keep our country safe ect ect. Now why would Ed want to prevent people from signing up for the marines? (no matter how small the contribution) The armed forces of today rely on future personnel to relieve them in time of war and relief, learn new things and ways to aid them in future conflicts, and to make them more stronger and safer in the numbers ect. Low recruiting numbers effect the troops of today in a very negative way and it angers me Ed contributes to that. Its like we should all thank him for the marine recruiter removal because we all agree with what Eddie thinks. Are there really that many puppets at the shows that Eddie can assume we all wanted the removal? If he felt that bad about a recruiter being there, fine, have them removed for the 2nd show, but dont announce it and assume we all think your a hero for doing so. I think Ed needs to lay off the bottles of wine and watch what he says at shows. It may come back to him some day. I applaud and respect the men and women who want to join the armed forces. I hope the keep doing it, in great numbers. They are the only reason our country safe with leaders like this.

You answered your own question....he was drunk

Good bad or indifferent everyone has there own opinion


Scott

Vedder316

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

1) Nice paragraph. try to split it into two or three next time so it's readable.

2) If he doesn't want marine recruiters there, they shouldn't be there. It's his concert.

3) Marine recruiters should go to high school cafeterias to talk to 18 year olds. they have no business at a rock concert.

Sorry for the paragraph, I to support the troops but not the war but I just think Ed shouldn't of had them removed. We're on the same side.

Cupofjoe

For me Eddie holds up our Freedom of speech rights. Everyone has the right to say what they want when they want. I think we need to look at that more than what this topic is about. SEEMS WE HAVE FORGOTTEN

slightofjeff

Cupofjoe wrote:

For me Eddie holds up our Freedom of speech rights. Everyone has the right to say what they want when they want. I think we need to look at that more than what this topic is about. SEEMS WE HAVE FORGOTTEN

Huh? Nobody is saying ed should be arrested for saying what he said. Nobody is denying his freedom of speech.