Abortion-Keep Legal, Yes or No?

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  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,426
    Let the liberals scrape all they want. 
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 2,455
    my2hands said:
    Women's medical rights = bad
    Assault rifles = good
    Classy black president = bad
    Repugnant orange president = good

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    yes this can't be denied ....
    Easily denied. Again these are generalizations made from extremes.
    Women’s medical rights = bad ? Where does this come from, one single issue of abortion? And ignore the thousand other medical issues that everyone agrees on
    Assault rifles = good ? While I will admit there are plenty who do want access to assault rifles, almost every poll I’ve seen indicates most republicans are for restrictions on these. So again a generic action from one extreme example.
    Classy black president = bad? Color has nothing to do with it. He did a lot of good things, but things like Obamacare have clearly failed and people were lied to to get it passed. Let’s lets leave color out of it when referring to people who didn’t like him.
    Orange President = good. Only when compared to other bad options we’ve had. Many, like myself are not happy with a lot that he’s done. But give me a better option next time
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 9,457
    I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 864
    I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.
    Sure it is.  Forget the pretty obvious notion that nothing like this would ever be done to men...(i.e., if men could have babies, they'd get to abort at will).

    Forced birth is the ultimate in control over someone.  And the rationale as to why they're wrong is because they're a slut (shoulda kept your legs closed, enjoy the next nine months).  Men are literally forcing something upon women that they'll never have to do.

    And this is going to apply to rape victims (particularly since it's almost impossible to convince a rapist at all, much less before the third trimester) and 13-year-old victims of rape and incest.  Why?  Because we care more about a fetus, which is nowhere near having hopes and dreams than we the person who's life it's going to impact.

    And then when the baby is born?  Whatever.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 14,503
    edited July 11
    I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.
    I'm pretty sure the decision on Roe v Wade is boiled down in a nutshell to a persons right to medical privacy. 

    And thankfully, yes, the majority of the country agrees with that 

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  • I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.

    I find it amazing that in the 21st century... we still have people clinging to the idea that there is an omnipresent god that knows what 8 billion people are up to at any given moment and listens to millions of individual prayers at one time.

    I find it further amazing that this coocoo belief is allowed to drive policies which affect human beings.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 9,457
    I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.

    I find it amazing that in the 21st century... we still have people clinging to the idea that there is an omnipresent god that knows what 8 billion people are up to at any given moment and listens to millions of individual prayers at one time.

    I find it further amazing that this coocoo belief is allowed to drive policies which affect human beings.
    I too find that 1st part pretty amazing.  Doesn’t drive my decision making 
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 9,696
    Here's a Supreme Court question.....

    Lots of people are suggesting that if Brett Kavanaugh is confirmed, Roe v. Wade will likely be overturned. My question is how can they do that? Shouldn't that case be closed? Shouldn't every case be closed if no new evidence comes to light? What would be the argument to even consider overturning it? "We have different people to vote on it now"?
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 8,597
    Here's a Supreme Court question.....

    Lots of people are suggesting that if Brett Kavanaugh is confirmed, Roe v. Wade will likely be overturned. My question is how can they do that? Shouldn't that case be closed? Shouldn't every case be closed if no new evidence comes to light? What would be the argument to even consider overturning it? "We have different people to vote on it now"?
    I made this point before.   It can't just be overturned based on judges personal feelings.  There has to be a legal precedent to change it and a case has to come before the court to be heard.   Most likely it will never be overturned on a national scale but will fall to each state to decide.  of course there are plenty of backasswards states that will make it mostly illegal.  don't get knocked up in the South ladies.
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 9,696
    pjhawks said:
    Here's a Supreme Court question.....

    Lots of people are suggesting that if Brett Kavanaugh is confirmed, Roe v. Wade will likely be overturned. My question is how can they do that? Shouldn't that case be closed? Shouldn't every case be closed if no new evidence comes to light? What would be the argument to even consider overturning it? "We have different people to vote on it now"?
    I made this point before.   It can't just be overturned based on judges personal feelings.  There has to be a legal precedent to change it and a case has to come before the court to be heard.   Most likely it will never be overturned on a national scale but will fall to each state to decide.  of course there are plenty of backasswards states that will make it mostly illegal.  don't get knocked up in the South ladies.
    How would that process work? Whose decision would it be for it to be decided on by the states? Congress?
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 8,597
    pjhawks said:
    Here's a Supreme Court question.....

    Lots of people are suggesting that if Brett Kavanaugh is confirmed, Roe v. Wade will likely be overturned. My question is how can they do that? Shouldn't that case be closed? Shouldn't every case be closed if no new evidence comes to light? What would be the argument to even consider overturning it? "We have different people to vote on it now"?
    I made this point before.   It can't just be overturned based on judges personal feelings.  There has to be a legal precedent to change it and a case has to come before the court to be heard.   Most likely it will never be overturned on a national scale but will fall to each state to decide.  of course there are plenty of backasswards states that will make it mostly illegal.  don't get knocked up in the South ladies.
    How would that process work? Whose decision would it be for it to be decided on by the states? Congress?
    The Supreme Court can decide to not hear a case thus pushing it back to the states.  not every case appealed to the Supreme Court is heard.   And even if a case is heard by the Supreme Court it would have to be a case directly challenging Roe v. Wade to overturn it and there would have be a legal reason for overturning it. Most likely the cases before the Supreme Court would be challenges to individual states abortion laws.  Theoretically Congress could also pass a national law outlawing abortion but there is no way that would ever get enough votes to pass both the House and Senate.  I just don't see a national ban happening anytime soon or in my lifetime (hopefully that is at least another 30 years).
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 9,696
    pjhawks said:
    pjhawks said:
    Here's a Supreme Court question.....

    Lots of people are suggesting that if Brett Kavanaugh is confirmed, Roe v. Wade will likely be overturned. My question is how can they do that? Shouldn't that case be closed? Shouldn't every case be closed if no new evidence comes to light? What would be the argument to even consider overturning it? "We have different people to vote on it now"?
    I made this point before.   It can't just be overturned based on judges personal feelings.  There has to be a legal precedent to change it and a case has to come before the court to be heard.   Most likely it will never be overturned on a national scale but will fall to each state to decide.  of course there are plenty of backasswards states that will make it mostly illegal.  don't get knocked up in the South ladies.
    How would that process work? Whose decision would it be for it to be decided on by the states? Congress?
    The Supreme Court can decide to not hear a case thus pushing it back to the states.  not every case appealed to the Supreme Court is heard.   And even if a case is heard by the Supreme Court it would have to be a case directly challenging Roe v. Wade to overturn it and there would have be a legal reason for overturning it. Most likely the cases before the Supreme Court would be challenges to individual states abortion laws.  Theoretically Congress could also pass a national law outlawing abortion but there is no way that would ever get enough votes to pass both the House and Senate.  I just don't see a national ban happening anytime soon or in my lifetime (hopefully that is at least another 30 years).

    I only ask because this is one issue I'm solidly with the democrats on. The Right's Pro-Life stance is so fucking hypocritical. I always use this little skit as an example....

    Pregnant girl: I'm pregnant but can't afford to raise a child. Can I have an abortion?

    Republican guy: NO!!!!!! You can't KILL A BABY!

    Pregnant girl: Okay, okay. Sorry I asked. I'll have the baby. But as I said, I can't afford to raise a baby. Can I have some money to feed and clothe the child?

    Republican guy: Oh that's not our department. You'll have to talk to the democrats about that one. We want the baby to be born, but once it is, we don't care if it dies.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 864
    pjhawks said:
    pjhawks said:
    Here's a Supreme Court question.....

    Lots of people are suggesting that if Brett Kavanaugh is confirmed, Roe v. Wade will likely be overturned. My question is how can they do that? Shouldn't that case be closed? Shouldn't every case be closed if no new evidence comes to light? What would be the argument to even consider overturning it? "We have different people to vote on it now"?
    I made this point before.   It can't just be overturned based on judges personal feelings.  There has to be a legal precedent to change it and a case has to come before the court to be heard.   Most likely it will never be overturned on a national scale but will fall to each state to decide.  of course there are plenty of backasswards states that will make it mostly illegal.  don't get knocked up in the South ladies.
    How would that process work? Whose decision would it be for it to be decided on by the states? Congress?
    The Supreme Court can decide to not hear a case thus pushing it back to the states.  not every case appealed to the Supreme Court is heard.   And even if a case is heard by the Supreme Court it would have to be a case directly challenging Roe v. Wade to overturn it and there would have be a legal reason for overturning it. Most likely the cases before the Supreme Court would be challenges to individual states abortion laws.  Theoretically Congress could also pass a national law outlawing abortion but there is no way that would ever get enough votes to pass both the House and Senate.  I just don't see a national ban happening anytime soon or in my lifetime (hopefully that is at least another 30 years).
    Yeah, Kavanaugh can't just walk in, ask for a show of hands and announce "5 to 4: Row V Wade has been reversed."  But I am sure some state will do something that contradicts roe v wade and it'll get reversed at the Supreme court. It's probably a matter of "when" more than "if."  I imagine it'll take a couple of years, but it is absolutely going to get reversed.

    That doesn't mean you'll see a national ban.  It just means that states will be able to ban it.  And most, but not all, will.  Nearly half the states, I think, already have a law in place that if RvW is reversed abortion becomes illegal.  I anticipate people that helped make those laws sending their wives, daughters, granddaughters and mistresses to the other states when an inconvenience occurs.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 7,169
    I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.
    that's exactly what it is
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 7,169
    I think it is interesting that abortion is legal in Israel and we give Israel so much $$$.  Following the GOP mantra we should defund Israel to stop funding abortions.
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 2,455
    I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.

    I find it amazing that in the 21st century... we still have people clinging to the idea that there is an omnipresent god that knows what 8 billion people are up to at any given moment and listens to millions of individual prayers at one time.

    I find it further amazing that this coocoo belief is allowed to drive policies which affect human beings.
    I am one of those coocoo’s. But here is what I think so many don’t understand. I’ve never read anything in the Bible anti abortion. Religion doesn’t drive my pro-life stance. And I don’t think it does for many.
    its the belief that it’s a human life, and that human life deserves a chance.
    Convince me that a fetus is not a human life and I wouldn’t care about this topic anymore.
    I consider myself pro-life, but that doesn’t mean I’d want to ban abortions. Our country isn’t ready for that and we’d be worse off if that was the case. I think many on the pro-life side approach it in the wrong way. Instead I’d prefer to educate and provide means to make abortions unnecessary execpt out of medical necessities.
  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,426
    I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.

    I find it amazing that in the 21st century... we still have people clinging to the idea that there is an omnipresent god that knows what 8 billion people are up to at any given moment and listens to millions of individual prayers at one time.

    Right ! Not even the newest supercomputer can calculate such large numbers of statistical data....oh, wait.....
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 9,457
    I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.
    that's exactly what it is
    Not entirely true at all.

    But like I said, the majority have bought in. And the Supreme Court has decided. So for me it’s not an issue I vote based on as it’s pointless.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 7,169
    mace1229 said:
    I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.

    I find it amazing that in the 21st century... we still have people clinging to the idea that there is an omnipresent god that knows what 8 billion people are up to at any given moment and listens to millions of individual prayers at one time.

    I find it further amazing that this coocoo belief is allowed to drive policies which affect human beings.
    I am one of those coocoo’s. But here is what I think so many don’t understand. I’ve never read anything in the Bible anti abortion. Religion doesn’t drive my pro-life stance. And I don’t think it does for many.
    its the belief that it’s a human life, and that human life deserves a chance.
    Convince me that a fetus is not a human life and I wouldn’t care about this topic anymore.
    I consider myself pro-life, but that doesn’t mean I’d want to ban abortions. Our country isn’t ready for that and we’d be worse off if that was the case. I think many on the pro-life side approach it in the wrong way. Instead I’d prefer to educate and provide means to make abortions unnecessary execpt out of medical necessities.
    I heard an interesting story that sums it all up for me.

    Imagine you are walking by a fertility clinic and you see flames/smoke billowing out of the front door....you hear screams.

    You go through the front door and to your left is a 5 year old child....to your right is a box marked "1000 viable embryos"

    You can only save one.  Which do you save?


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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 9,457
    mace1229 said:
    I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.

    I find it amazing that in the 21st century... we still have people clinging to the idea that there is an omnipresent god that knows what 8 billion people are up to at any given moment and listens to millions of individual prayers at one time.

    I find it further amazing that this coocoo belief is allowed to drive policies which affect human beings.
    I am one of those coocoo’s. But here is what I think so many don’t understand. I’ve never read anything in the Bible anti abortion. Religion doesn’t drive my pro-life stance. And I don’t think it does for many.
    its the belief that it’s a human life, and that human life deserves a chance.
    Convince me that a fetus is not a human life and I wouldn’t care about this topic anymore.
    I consider myself pro-life, but that doesn’t mean I’d want to ban abortions. Our country isn’t ready for that and we’d be worse off if that was the case. I think many on the pro-life side approach it in the wrong way. Instead I’d prefer to educate and provide means to make abortions unnecessary execpt out of medical necessities.
    I heard an interesting story that sums it all up for me.

    Imagine you are walking by a fertility clinic and you see flames/smoke billowing out of the front door....you hear screams.

    You go through the front door and to your left is a 5 year old child....to your right is a box marked "1000 viable embryos"

    You can only save one.  Which do you save?


    These are all so stupid. 
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 7,169
    edited July 11
    mace1229 said:
    I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.

    I find it amazing that in the 21st century... we still have people clinging to the idea that there is an omnipresent god that knows what 8 billion people are up to at any given moment and listens to millions of individual prayers at one time.

    I find it further amazing that this coocoo belief is allowed to drive policies which affect human beings.
    I am one of those coocoo’s. But here is what I think so many don’t understand. I’ve never read anything in the Bible anti abortion. Religion doesn’t drive my pro-life stance. And I don’t think it does for many.
    its the belief that it’s a human life, and that human life deserves a chance.
    Convince me that a fetus is not a human life and I wouldn’t care about this topic anymore.
    I consider myself pro-life, but that doesn’t mean I’d want to ban abortions. Our country isn’t ready for that and we’d be worse off if that was the case. I think many on the pro-life side approach it in the wrong way. Instead I’d prefer to educate and provide means to make abortions unnecessary execpt out of medical necessities.
    I heard an interesting story that sums it all up for me.

    Imagine you are walking by a fertility clinic and you see flames/smoke billowing out of the front door....you hear screams.

    You go through the front door and to your left is a 5 year old child....to your right is a box marked "1000 viable embryos"

    You can only save one.  Which do you save?


    These are all so stupid. 
    So is the idea that a government can tell a woman what to do with her own body.

    and...which one would you save?
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 9,457
    mace1229 said:
    I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.

    I find it amazing that in the 21st century... we still have people clinging to the idea that there is an omnipresent god that knows what 8 billion people are up to at any given moment and listens to millions of individual prayers at one time.

    I find it further amazing that this coocoo belief is allowed to drive policies which affect human beings.
    I am one of those coocoo’s. But here is what I think so many don’t understand. I’ve never read anything in the Bible anti abortion. Religion doesn’t drive my pro-life stance. And I don’t think it does for many.
    its the belief that it’s a human life, and that human life deserves a chance.
    Convince me that a fetus is not a human life and I wouldn’t care about this topic anymore.
    I consider myself pro-life, but that doesn’t mean I’d want to ban abortions. Our country isn’t ready for that and we’d be worse off if that was the case. I think many on the pro-life side approach it in the wrong way. Instead I’d prefer to educate and provide means to make abortions unnecessary execpt out of medical necessities.
    I heard an interesting story that sums it all up for me.

    Imagine you are walking by a fertility clinic and you see flames/smoke billowing out of the front door....you hear screams.

    You go through the front door and to your left is a 5 year old child....to your right is a box marked "1000 viable embryos"

    You can only save one.  Which do you save?


    These are all so stupid. 
    So is the idea that a government can tell a woman what to do with her own body.

    and...which one would you save?
    Shall I come up with a stupid story too?



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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 7,169
    mace1229 said:
    I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.

    I find it amazing that in the 21st century... we still have people clinging to the idea that there is an omnipresent god that knows what 8 billion people are up to at any given moment and listens to millions of individual prayers at one time.

    I find it further amazing that this coocoo belief is allowed to drive policies which affect human beings.
    I am one of those coocoo’s. But here is what I think so many don’t understand. I’ve never read anything in the Bible anti abortion. Religion doesn’t drive my pro-life stance. And I don’t think it does for many.
    its the belief that it’s a human life, and that human life deserves a chance.
    Convince me that a fetus is not a human life and I wouldn’t care about this topic anymore.
    I consider myself pro-life, but that doesn’t mean I’d want to ban abortions. Our country isn’t ready for that and we’d be worse off if that was the case. I think many on the pro-life side approach it in the wrong way. Instead I’d prefer to educate and provide means to make abortions unnecessary execpt out of medical necessities.
    I heard an interesting story that sums it all up for me.

    Imagine you are walking by a fertility clinic and you see flames/smoke billowing out of the front door....you hear screams.

    You go through the front door and to your left is a 5 year old child....to your right is a box marked "1000 viable embryos"

    You can only save one.  Which do you save?


    These are all so stupid. 
    So is the idea that a government can tell a woman what to do with her own body.

    and...which one would you save?
    Shall I come up with a stupid story too?



    we all know your answer....it's the only one that makes sense
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 4,169
    mace1229 said:
    I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.

    I find it amazing that in the 21st century... we still have people clinging to the idea that there is an omnipresent god that knows what 8 billion people are up to at any given moment and listens to millions of individual prayers at one time.

    I find it further amazing that this coocoo belief is allowed to drive policies which affect human beings.
    I am one of those coocoo’s. But here is what I think so many don’t understand. I’ve never read anything in the Bible anti abortion. Religion doesn’t drive my pro-life stance. And I don’t think it does for many.
    its the belief that it’s a human life, and that human life deserves a chance.
    Convince me that a fetus is not a human life and I wouldn’t care about this topic anymore.
    I consider myself pro-life, but that doesn’t mean I’d want to ban abortions. Our country isn’t ready for that and we’d be worse off if that was the case. I think many on the pro-life side approach it in the wrong way. Instead I’d prefer to educate and provide means to make abortions unnecessary execpt out of medical necessities.
    When you say educate, do you mean before they are pregnant or once they are? Just want to make sure I understand that statement before responding.

    As for means, does this mean money and support for all the babies we would be forcing people to have that they didn't want? Plenty of kids pull themselves out of the dirt to make something of their life, but I feel like the majority in these types of circumstances would end up wards of the state, bouncing around to foster and group homes, especially if these are children who have birth defects, deformities and similar health issues.

    We have some friends who found out the baby they were going to have had down syndrome based on testing. I don't know how far along they were, but it was under the 24 week window. They decided they couldn't go through with the pregnancy and didn't feel like they could raise a child with a disability. Not an easy decision, but they have to know. No one else's decision. I may not understand or agree with it, but it also has no impact on me.

    I am pro-choice, but do think that there should at least be a stipulation to prevent someone from using abortion as a means of birth control. I doubt there are many out there, but in cases where multiple abortions are being sought for no other reason than not wanting to have a baby because of continued poor choices, than that shouldn't be allowed. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 7,169
    I think it is interesting that so many Repubs want to defund Planned Parenthood when the majority of what they do is provide birth control.  Defunding PP will lead to more abortion.
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville
    2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago
    2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 9,457
    I think it is interesting that so many Repubs want to defund Planned Parenthood when the majority of what they do is provide birth control.  Defunding PP will lead to more abortion.
    Very true.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 9,457
    mace1229 said:
    I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.

    I find it amazing that in the 21st century... we still have people clinging to the idea that there is an omnipresent god that knows what 8 billion people are up to at any given moment and listens to millions of individual prayers at one time.

    I find it further amazing that this coocoo belief is allowed to drive policies which affect human beings.
    I am one of those coocoo’s. But here is what I think so many don’t understand. I’ve never read anything in the Bible anti abortion. Religion doesn’t drive my pro-life stance. And I don’t think it does for many.
    its the belief that it’s a human life, and that human life deserves a chance.
    Convince me that a fetus is not a human life and I wouldn’t care about this topic anymore.
    I consider myself pro-life, but that doesn’t mean I’d want to ban abortions. Our country isn’t ready for that and we’d be worse off if that was the case. I think many on the pro-life side approach it in the wrong way. Instead I’d prefer to educate and provide means to make abortions unnecessary execpt out of medical necessities.
    I heard an interesting story that sums it all up for me.

    Imagine you are walking by a fertility clinic and you see flames/smoke billowing out of the front door....you hear screams.

    You go through the front door and to your left is a 5 year old child....to your right is a box marked "1000 viable embryos"

    You can only save one.  Which do you save?


    These are all so stupid. 
    So is the idea that a government can tell a woman what to do with her own body.

    and...which one would you save?
    Shall I come up with a stupid story too?



    we all know your answer....it's the only one that makes sense
    In your scenario you can only save 1. In mine you don’t have to start the fire.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 7,169
    mace1229 said:
    I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.

    I find it amazing that in the 21st century... we still have people clinging to the idea that there is an omnipresent god that knows what 8 billion people are up to at any given moment and listens to millions of individual prayers at one time.

    I find it further amazing that this coocoo belief is allowed to drive policies which affect human beings.
    I am one of those coocoo’s. But here is what I think so many don’t understand. I’ve never read anything in the Bible anti abortion. Religion doesn’t drive my pro-life stance. And I don’t think it does for many.
    its the belief that it’s a human life, and that human life deserves a chance.
    Convince me that a fetus is not a human life and I wouldn’t care about this topic anymore.
    I consider myself pro-life, but that doesn’t mean I’d want to ban abortions. Our country isn’t ready for that and we’d be worse off if that was the case. I think many on the pro-life side approach it in the wrong way. Instead I’d prefer to educate and provide means to make abortions unnecessary execpt out of medical necessities.
    I heard an interesting story that sums it all up for me.

    Imagine you are walking by a fertility clinic and you see flames/smoke billowing out of the front door....you hear screams.

    You go through the front door and to your left is a 5 year old child....to your right is a box marked "1000 viable embryos"

    You can only save one.  Which do you save?


    These are all so stupid. 
    So is the idea that a government can tell a woman what to do with her own body.

    and...which one would you save?
    Shall I come up with a stupid story too?



    we all know your answer....it's the only one that makes sense
    In your scenario you can only save 1. In mine you don’t have to start the fire.
    the cause of the fire is irrelevant....but thanks for not confirming the answer that we already knew
    Former BernieBro, turned Hillary rotten Clinton #1 Fanboy

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    2003: Noblesville
    2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville
    2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago
    2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1
  • mace1229 said:
    I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.

    I find it amazing that in the 21st century... we still have people clinging to the idea that there is an omnipresent god that knows what 8 billion people are up to at any given moment and listens to millions of individual prayers at one time.

    I find it further amazing that this coocoo belief is allowed to drive policies which affect human beings.
    I am one of those coocoo’s. But here is what I think so many don’t understand. I’ve never read anything in the Bible anti abortion. Religion doesn’t drive my pro-life stance. And I don’t think it does for many.
    its the belief that it’s a human life, and that human life deserves a chance.
    Convince me that a fetus is not a human life and I wouldn’t care about this topic anymore.
    I consider myself pro-life, but that doesn’t mean I’d want to ban abortions. Our country isn’t ready for that and we’d be worse off if that was the case. I think many on the pro-life side approach it in the wrong way. Instead I’d prefer to educate and provide means to make abortions unnecessary execpt out of medical necessities.
    I heard an interesting story that sums it all up for me.

    Imagine you are walking by a fertility clinic and you see flames/smoke billowing out of the front door....you hear screams.

    You go through the front door and to your left is a 5 year old child....to your right is a box marked "1000 viable embryos"

    You can only save one.  Which do you save?


    These are all so stupid. 
    So is the idea that a government can tell a woman what to do with her own body.

    and...which one would you save?
    Shall I come up with a stupid story too?



    we all know your answer....it's the only one that makes sense
    In your scenario you can only save 1. In mine you don’t have to start the fire.
    Good job ducking the question.

    I'll answer. I'd save the child before the 1000 boxes of goop.

    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 7,706
    Roe vs Wade is settled law and will be difficult to overturn. However, that doesn’t stop individual states from making it virtually impossible to get an abortion. Iowa already bans abortions as early as six weeks. Given the series of events that has to occur for a woman to suspect she is pregnant, get a test that confirms it, gets an appointment with a doctor, then gets an abortion scheduled, Iowa has virtually banned abortion except in rare cases with R v W in place. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
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