Abortion-Keep Legal, Yes or No?
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I figured since it’s currently a hot topic in the gun thread, I’d start an abortion topic thread.
I’ll begin by responding to benjs’ last post in the gun thread: who says a woman is obligated to carry until term? Why shouldn’t that be her decision and hers alone?
I’ll begin by responding to benjs’ last post in the gun thread: who says a woman is obligated to carry until term? Why shouldn’t that be her decision and hers alone?
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"...I changed by not changing at all..."
That’s not even debatable ! I don’t agree with bjens assessment ..
Let's ban contraceptives and male masturbation.
Are women sinful because they kill an egg every month?
Just messing with ya
I do believe that the term “abortion” refers to the action taken after an egg is fertilized, though, or am I missing something?
For the record - legal, absolutely.
Keep it legal, keep it safe.
"In the United States, it actually depends on the state in which you live. It goes by the fetal age of viability and that is around 24 weeks. This means the fetus is most likely able to survive outside the mother’s body at or around 24 weeks, so if an abortion is performed after this period it is considered “intent to murder.”
http://www.newkidscenter.com/When-Is-It-too-Late-to-Get-an-Abortion.html
This sounds reasonable to me. 24 weeks should be adequate time to make that decision.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
It shouldn't be birth control.
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It is often misrepresented on both sides.
This debate only comes down to one thing.
Someone's view on abortion is not about women's rights. Everyone believes women deserved to be treated equally and have equal rights. Someone's stance on abortion has nothing to do with how they feel women should be treated.
It is not about "murdering" babies. No one is for abortion because they hate kids and are okay with genocide of an infant population.
It is grossly misrepresented because how many times have pro-lifers been accused of sexism towards women (even though a lot are women themselves), how often are pro-choicers accused of murdering babies. So I'll say me being pro-life does not make disrespect women any more than you being pro-choice makes you a murderer.
In all the conversations I've ever had it always boils down to just 1 thing: Is a unborn child a human life? If so, at what stage?
Every person who I ever met who is pro-choice does not think so. Every person who I ever met who is pro-life does. And anyone who thinks it is a life, that right to live suprasses a woman's right to chose.
I hate this topic because I rarely find people willing to have a civilized conversation about it - from both sides.
Calling a fetus a blob or goo doesn't change my view, just like playing an ultrasound with a heartbeat most likely won't change yours.
I happen to believe life, and human life has begun at the earliest stages of development. I have no scientific reason or proof to back that up, just like no one has any scientific proof to say life does not exist. That is my opinion, and everyone else is entitled to theirs.
I have a hard time seeing human features, listening to a heart beat on an ultrasound and saying that life has no rights and can be terminated for no medical reason. For me it isn't about choices, it's about life at that point.
My view comes from the idea of when when I think “life” is created. For me, it isn’t at birth. We have humans that are brain dead that we are legally obligated to keep alive. An 8 month old fetus has more brain power than some sick people.
Then em I looked at how pre-mature Can a baby survive outside of its life line (the mother) and I came to the conclusion that it doesn’t matter.
My my grandma who is 93 is often supported by machines to keep life in her, and we value her life no less than anyone else.
So so then I kept asking myself, what makes a baby unique. The only thing that makes a person a person is unique genetic make up. This happens at conception when sperm meets an egg.
I belibe once unique life life is formed, the life deserves legal protection.
I dont stand outside abortion clinics with signs. I don’t slander people who get abortions, or anything alike. There are many young people who make a mistake and get pregnant.
I think we all need to do better about making sex less taboo so kids are comfortable talking about safe practices and preventing pregnancy. It’s super easy. There are so many forms of pre pregnancy control out there.
All just my opinion through years of learning about the issue.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
And it doesn't matter what any of us consider "life" to be or when we consider it to start. That's not up for us to decide. It's up to the person getting the procedure done. If you don't think nearly every potential mother considers the emotional repercussions of having an abortion and mentally battles with herself whether she is killing a life or not, especially one her body helped create, you've not met any woman, ever.
And actually, a little more than 50% of babies are boys, and sans a uterus transplant, none of them will ever gestate.
Hate away.
So from a perspective of a child that nearly didn't make it into the world... I fucking hate abortion and it hurts me to think of all the little people whose mother decided against them... BUT!
As a woman I also understand that there are situations where it seems impossible to raise or even give birth to a child. You may feel too young, immature, poor, socially isolated or your pregnancy may have been a result of rape which is absolutely horrifying. I even understand why my own mother was considering abortion, I am not mad at her, because in the end she decided to keep me. As difficult as my life may be sometimes, I am still thankful.
I think what it needs is a better support system for women who are pregnant and face seemingly hopeless situations. There is so much stigma when it comes to teenage pregnancies, single women and so on as well as financial pressure when raising a child. It's just not fair. We have the future of humanity in our bellies and are being treated like shit sometimes. I wish we lived a world where no child was seen as a burden but as a gift and where no one would look at you like you were a mass murderer when you have to give a child away because you want it to have a future you are not able to provide.
we will find a way, we will find our place
The one thing I am actually comfortable supporting is a reasonable hard deadline for elective abortion, barring medical reasons, obviously (including allowing mothers to choose to abort after if there are problems with the fetus, including things like Downs, only up until the earliest time it's possible to find such things out). I.e. elective abortion maybe shouldn't be legal after, say, 16 weeks? IMO, 16 weeks is more than enough time for someone to know they're pregnant and decide what to do if they don't want the baby.... that is, if abortions are accessible. They often aren't in America, and the delay can be directly related to that. In those cases, fuck the system. It makes me feel awful that women still have to fight to control their own bodies in many places in America like that, and are met with barriers every step of the way.