Abortion-Keep Legal, Yes or No?

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  • Here's the thing:

    People that support a woman's right to an abortion aren't salivating for the procedures. They have the opinion that some pregnancies are worth terminating given the circumstances around them... and that it has to be left to the woman to decide based on her perspective because she's the expert on 'her' situation.

    I grimace at the idea of gasping fetuses on a surgical table too and this is why I would encourage early decision making- get it done while it is still 'goop'.

    The 'middle way' (in my mind) is a timeline of some sort (arbitrarily... maybe 16 weeks... before voluntary movement occurs?). I think the 'middle way' would also account for special medical circumstances that allow for a later termination if the mother is threatened or the fetus has issues.

    Having said my preferences... I'm okay with a woman's choice no matter what and support them.
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    I'll never understand the need for those that support "the right to choose" to run away from actually saying they support abortion. 

    Latest stats in US - 2014 - over 650,000 abortions.  That is not supporting the right to choose, it's supporting abortion.  650,000 of them.  That is AT least 650,000 people that support abortion....not just the right to choose.  Just own it.

    I will.

    I'm okay with it.
    Yes you seem to.  I can appreciate it, though obviously don't agree.

    If given the task of moving forward and trying to come to some sort of compromise, what is middle ground here? I've laid out what I deem to be reasonable. Do you disagree with establishing timelines and allowing for medical circumstances? 
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 11,594
    Here's the thing:

    People that support a woman's right to an abortion aren't salivating for the procedures. They have the opinion that some pregnancies are worth terminating given the circumstances around them... and that it has to be left to the woman to decide based on her perspective because she's the expert on 'her' situation.

    I grimace at the idea of gasping fetuses on a surgical table too and this is why I would encourage early decision making- get it done while it is still 'goop'.

    The 'middle way' (in my mind) is a timeline of some sort (arbitrarily... maybe 16 weeks... before voluntary movement occurs?). I think the 'middle way' would also account for special medical circumstances that allow for a later termination if the mother is threatened or the fetus has issues.

    Having said my preferences... I'm okay with a woman's choice no matter what and support them.
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    I'll never understand the need for those that support "the right to choose" to run away from actually saying they support abortion. 

    Latest stats in US - 2014 - over 650,000 abortions.  That is not supporting the right to choose, it's supporting abortion.  650,000 of them.  That is AT least 650,000 people that support abortion....not just the right to choose.  Just own it.

    I will.

    I'm okay with it.
    Yes you seem to.  I can appreciate it, though obviously don't agree.

    If given the task of moving forward and trying to come to some sort of compromise, what is middle ground here? I've laid out what I deem to be reasonable. Do you disagree with establishing timelines and allowing for medical circumstances? 
    Nope.  And as I said, I think any compromise needs to include prevention methods....access to bc...education, etc.  Which is always been weird to me how hypocritical many anti-abortion people are in that they don;t support those things.  You'd think it was a given.  
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  • Here's the thing:

    People that support a woman's right to an abortion aren't salivating for the procedures. They have the opinion that some pregnancies are worth terminating given the circumstances around them... and that it has to be left to the woman to decide based on her perspective because she's the expert on 'her' situation.

    I grimace at the idea of gasping fetuses on a surgical table too and this is why I would encourage early decision making- get it done while it is still 'goop'.

    The 'middle way' (in my mind) is a timeline of some sort (arbitrarily... maybe 16 weeks... before voluntary movement occurs?). I think the 'middle way' would also account for special medical circumstances that allow for a later termination if the mother is threatened or the fetus has issues.

    Having said my preferences... I'm okay with a woman's choice no matter what and support them.
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    I'll never understand the need for those that support "the right to choose" to run away from actually saying they support abortion. 

    Latest stats in US - 2014 - over 650,000 abortions.  That is not supporting the right to choose, it's supporting abortion.  650,000 of them.  That is AT least 650,000 people that support abortion....not just the right to choose.  Just own it.

    I will.

    I'm okay with it.
    Yes you seem to.  I can appreciate it, though obviously don't agree.

    If given the task of moving forward and trying to come to some sort of compromise, what is middle ground here? I've laid out what I deem to be reasonable. Do you disagree with establishing timelines and allowing for medical circumstances? 
    Nope.  And as I said, I think any compromise needs to include prevention methods....access to bc...education, etc.  Which is always been weird to me how hypocritical many anti-abortion people are in that they don;t support those things.  You'd think it was a given.  

    Now we're getting somewhere.

    I agree that early education and access to birth control are no brainers.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 9,559
    Ohio House of Representatives passes a bill that outlaws abortion after detection of a fetal heartbeat, which occurs as early as 6 weeks. Since women often don't realize they are pregnant until at or after that mark, and since it obviously takes some time to see a doctor, get a referral for an abortion (if it's surgical), pass through mandatory waiting periods, etc., this would all but rule out abortion in Ohio if it passes the Senate and becomes law. It's likely to face legal challenge, but with Trump stacking the deck, these and similar measures are increasingly likely to become a reality.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/ohio-house-passes-fetal-heartbeat-anti-abortion-bill_us_5bee1f58e4b0510a1f2f3518
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 6,118
    Ohio House of Representatives passes a bill that outlaws abortion after detection of a fetal heartbeat, which occurs as early as 6 weeks. Since women often don't realize they are pregnant until at or after that mark, and since it obviously takes some time to see a doctor, get a referral for an abortion (if it's surgical), pass through mandatory waiting periods, etc., this would all but rule out abortion in Ohio if it passes the Senate and becomes law. It's likely to face legal challenge, but with Trump stacking the deck, these and similar measures are increasingly likely to become a reality.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/ohio-house-passes-fetal-heartbeat-anti-abortion-bill_us_5bee1f58e4b0510a1f2f3518
    Hopefully women in Ohio will be able to fight this.
    If not there will be lots of Ohio women traveling to states that have some common  sense.

    Keep it legal, safe, affordable,  and on demand 
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 6,118
    This is some ignorant scary shit....


  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 46,010
    Ohio House of Representatives passes a bill that outlaws abortion after detection of a fetal heartbeat, which occurs as early as 6 weeks. Since women often don't realize they are pregnant until at or after that mark, and since it obviously takes some time to see a doctor, get a referral for an abortion (if it's surgical), pass through mandatory waiting periods, etc., this would all but rule out abortion in Ohio if it passes the Senate and becomes law. It's likely to face legal challenge, but with Trump stacking the deck, these and similar measures are increasingly likely to become a reality.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/ohio-house-passes-fetal-heartbeat-anti-abortion-bill_us_5bee1f58e4b0510a1f2f3518
    Hopefully women in Ohio will be able to fight this.
    If not there will be lots of Ohio women traveling to states that have some common  sense.

    Keep it legal, safe, affordable,  and on demand 
    Well it will be fought... probably in the SCOTUS. Uh oh, spaghetti-o. :frowning:
    (I'm actually a lot more mad about this than I just let on... I'm just not in the mood to rant and rave right now)
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  • Good for Ohio.
    Pittsburgh 2013
    Cincinnati 2014
    Greenville 2016
    (Raleigh 2016)
    Columbia 2016
  • Of course however, this is absurd
    Pittsburgh 2013
    Cincinnati 2014
    Greenville 2016
    (Raleigh 2016)
    Columbia 2016
  • No CoderNo Coder Brisbane Posts: 1,002
    Very fitting picture with the Tweet. Unbelievable!! 

    In recent times, there seems to be something in the news everyday that makes me very happy I live outside of the USA. That is sad, as I have visited and thoroughly enjoyed my time there and also have many friends living there.
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  • That's not real. No way.

    This is a preview of an M. Night Shyamalan movie right?
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  • rhanishanerhanishane NSW AustraliaPosts: 186
    riley540 said:
    I am open about being pro life. I don’t belong to any religion or anything god related. 

    My view comes from the idea of when when I think “life” is created. For me, it isn’t at birth. We have humans that are brain dead that we are legally obligated to keep alive. An 8 month old fetus has more brain power than some sick people. 

    Then em I looked at how pre-mature Can a baby survive outside of its life line (the mother) and I came to the conclusion that it doesn’t matter. 

    My my grandma who is 93 is often supported by machines to keep life in her, and we value her life no less than anyone else. 

    So so then I kept asking myself, what makes a baby unique. The only thing that makes a person a person is unique genetic make up. This happens at conception when sperm meets an egg. 

    I belibe once unique life life is formed, the life deserves legal protection. 

    I dont stand outside abortion clinics with signs. I don’t slander people who get abortions, or anything alike. There are many young people who make a mistake and get pregnant. 

    I think we all need to do better about making sex less taboo so kids are comfortable talking about safe practices and preventing pregnancy. It’s super easy. There are so many forms of pre pregnancy control out there. 

    All just my opinion through years of learning about the issue.
    Well thought out comment.. thanks😊
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 6,118
    Keeping it safe, legal, affordable,  and available on demand.....


  • jeffbrjeffbr SeattlePosts: 6,270
    edited November 2018
    No Coder said:
    Very fitting picture with the Tweet. Unbelievable!! 

    In recent times, there seems to be something in the news everyday that makes me very happy I live outside of the USA. That is sad, as I have visited and thoroughly enjoyed my time there and also have many friends living there.
    And for some of us "coastal elites" who do live in the USA, it makes me very happy I live outside of deplorable middle America or the dirty south. In my state we have laws respecting self-determination (legalized weed, right to death with dignity, right to reproductive choices, right to enter into legal, consensual relationships regardless of gender). Not so much in some parts of the country where some mythology tome informs their morality and laws.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 6,118
    Keeping it legal, safe, affordable,  available on demand..


  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 6,118
    Ohio idiots.....

    With new law, Ohio bans common abortion procedure. https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/21/health/ohio-de-ban-bn/index.html
  • I’m pro choice.  What I’m not qualified to determine so I will ask the experts - when does life begin?  Heartbeat seems to make sense to me, but I understand choice.  When is a life a life that deserves the right to their own choice?  I’m not leading anywhere. I actually believe the mother has more rights than anyone.  But at what point do we protect those that have no voice?  Never is fine if that’s what we think. Just trying to understand the discussion. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 17,260
    Here's the thing:

    People that support a woman's right to an abortion aren't salivating for the procedures. They have the opinion that some pregnancies are worth terminating given the circumstances around them... and that it has to be left to the woman to decide based on her perspective because she's the expert on 'her' situation.

    I grimace at the idea of gasping fetuses on a surgical table too and this is why I would encourage early decision making- get it done while it is still 'goop'.

    The 'middle way' (in my mind) is a timeline of some sort (arbitrarily... maybe 16 weeks... before voluntary movement occurs?). I think the 'middle way' would also account for special medical circumstances that allow for a later termination if the mother is threatened or the fetus has issues.

    Having said my preferences... I'm okay with a woman's choice no matter what and support them.
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    I'll never understand the need for those that support "the right to choose" to run away from actually saying they support abortion. 

    Latest stats in US - 2014 - over 650,000 abortions.  That is not supporting the right to choose, it's supporting abortion.  650,000 of them.  That is AT least 650,000 people that support abortion....not just the right to choose.  Just own it.
    I don't support abortion. I would never want a mother of my child to do it. it is not my business, however, to tell other women how they treat their own bodies and affect their own personal situation. that is not supporting abortion. that is supporting a free society. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 17,260
    I’m pro choice.  What I’m not qualified to determine so I will ask the experts - when does life begin?  Heartbeat seems to make sense to me, but I understand choice.  When is a life a life that deserves the right to their own choice?  I’m not leading anywhere. I actually believe the mother has more rights than anyone.  But at what point do we protect those that have no voice?  Never is fine if that’s what we think. Just trying to understand the discussion. 
    even the experts don't agree on this. it is completely a matter of opinion. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 19,071
    Kat said:
    “Compassionate conservativism” at its most righteous. Because that’s what’s really important for society. Maybe we should mail our aborted fetuses to the Supreme Court so they can pray over them?
     
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 16,161
    it must be kept legal.

    for the same reasons i have stated in the hundreds of other threads on it the last 20 years.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 19,071
    Do they even know how babies are created? Pro life until you’re born.
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  • lol

    These guys don't strike me as the kind of guys that have a pony in this race. The abortion issue is not relevant in the masturbation world.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,495
    edited January 22
      

    lol

    These guys don't strike me as the kind of guys that have a pony in this race. The abortion issue is not relevant in the masturbation world.
    Not pictured: Their one classmate who's girlfriend had a pregnancy scare; he's suddenly on the fence on this issue.

    Edit: Best comment on that twitter thread is "they're incelated from female contact."
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 11,594
    Ok so just so I’m clear:

    1) it’s ok to mock teenagers for their appearance, etc if they are anti-abortion

    2) it’s not ok to mock teenagers for their appearance, etc if they are anti-gun




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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 17,260
    Ok so just so I’m clear:

    1) it’s ok to mock teenagers for their appearance, etc if they are anti-abortion

    2) it’s not ok to mock teenagers for their appearance, etc if they are anti-gun




    I am in complete agreement with you here and this is one of the reasons why people on the right are constantly at with their "hypocrisy of the left". because, as showcased here, it is absolutely true. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 19,071
    Ok so just so I’m clear:

    1) it’s ok to mock teenagers for their appearance, etc if they are anti-abortion

    2) it’s not ok to mock teenagers for their appearance, etc if they are anti-gun




    Where were they “mocked for their appearance.”
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 11,594
    Ok so just so I’m clear:

    1) it’s ok to mock teenagers for their appearance, etc if they are anti-abortion

    2) it’s not ok to mock teenagers for their appearance, etc if they are anti-gun




    Where were they “mocked for their appearance.”
    Look up a few posts.

    “These guys don't strike me as the kind of guys that have a pony in this race. The abortion issue is not relevant in the masturbation world.”

    Just one instance. Happens a lot. If you disagree with someone politically you make fun of them (general you). I’m sure I’ve done it in the past. But it’s really not cool.
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