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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,082
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    hedonist said:
    Fellow women, take heed!  It's all on us.
    Well to be fair, isn't that what you are saying when you state it's the woman's body and her choice alone?  I mean, I'm not sure you can really have it both ways.  Although today you do as women make the choice for sex (let's not pretend it's the guy that is getting to determine when he gets it!), the woman make the choice to have the baby or not....and then the courts make the choice to have the man pay child support.


    This point ignores the reality of many, many relationships where in fact the man does decide when sex happens, often through coercion. 

    So the argument seems to be that a woman is 100% responsible for all consequences of sex, but can’t acrually make the choice about how to deal with the consequences of sex. 
    My post was mostly a joke. ;)

    I am not sure your point though, with abortion legal women are the only ones with a choice on the consequences.  without it both have consequences, albeit the mans in mostly financial and there are a lot of deadbeat “dads” out there. Nothing fair about how we allow men to get women pregnant with limited consequences. 
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 8,985
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    mace1229 said:

    dignin said:
    Hard to debate with someone who ignores all the evidence (or doesn't understand it) and won't produce any evidence to back up their misinformed belief. Seems to confuse research done by professionals as a "claim" made by me and also has a poor understanding of how healthcare works in their own country, not to mention others.

    Trump's world!!


    Hard to debate when one side defaults to name calling and belittling. You asked a question, I was the only one to honestly answer it. If you don’t want answers, then don’t ask.
    regardless of what you think, there is at least enough conflicting evidence to question a claim that fewer abortion laws results in fewer abortions.
    I never claimed more abortion laws results in fewer abortions. There’s some evidence that shows laws don’t matter. Refer to previous links if needed

    All moot.

    If one hasn't evolved to the point where they appreciate an individual's choice in the matter... then they are stuck in the stone ages.

    Are all humans equal? I think of infants and small children in Africa who's bellies are bloated and they are soon for death. Wouldn't it make a lot of sense to try and help these creatures of God versus defend the 'goo' inside a woman as a result of an accidental pregnancy?

    The religious right is conflicted in many ways, but so self righteous and smug... they don't even know it: the befuddled herd.
    I don’t know how any of that relates to the question that was asked and that I answered though?
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,203
    Congratulations Iowa. The heartbeat ban is moving forward. Craziness.

    Iowa lawmakers pass the nation's most restrictive abortion ban -- as soon as a fetal heartbeat is detected

    It's a hopeless situation...
  • DegeneratefkDegeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    edited May 2018
    tbergs said:
    Congratulations Iowa. The heartbeat ban is moving forward. Craziness.

    Iowa lawmakers pass the nation's most restrictive abortion ban -- as soon as a fetal heartbeat is detected

    That is insanity. How can that even be legal?

    I'll answer my own question.  It's not legal. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,570
    Degeneratefk said:
    tbergs said:
    Congratulations Iowa. The heartbeat ban is moving forward. Craziness.

    Iowa lawmakers pass the nation's most restrictive abortion ban -- as soon as a fetal heartbeat is detected

    That is insanity. How can that even be legal?

    I'll answer my own question.  It's not legal. 
    It’s a law to challenge Roe V. Wade to go to the Gorsuch court in hopes of having it overturned or allowing state’s “rights” to legislate as they wish.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,506
    edited May 2018
    Degeneratefk said:
    tbergs said:
    Congratulations Iowa. The heartbeat ban is moving forward. Craziness.

    Iowa lawmakers pass the nation's most restrictive abortion ban -- as soon as a fetal heartbeat is detected

    That is insanity. How can that even be legal?

    I'll answer my own question.  It's not legal. 
    That will be decided in the SCOTUS .... I really hate to imagine what will happen if the SCOTUS deems it legal though. Could be like dominoes. Maybe it's time to invest in Draino stock. :fearful:
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,570
    And the South Carolina senate is poised to pass the most restrictive abortion law to date, effectively banning it. Don’t get knocked up in SC. Maybe they could fly a fetus flag instead of the Confederate flag?
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,537
    Keep it legal
    Keep it safe
    Keep it affordable 
    Keep it available on demand
  • jnimhaoileoinjnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2018/05/01/women-of-ireland-to-watch-handmaids-tale-to-escape-grim-reality/?utm_source=WWN_Facebook_Page&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=Social_Link&utm_content=Article
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,082
    https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/05/05/opinions/supporting-abortion-is-pro-life-opinion-campoamor/index.html

    Im anti-abortion and as such you can imagine I think this article is 100% nuts. Calling for killing babies to save lives is just nuts. But as I’ve read here, I’m sure many agree with the sentiments of this article.

    i will say that I personally have reached a point where I believe this issue has been settled as to law in the US.  I don’t particularly like crazy laws just to challenge Roe v Wade anymore, because I don’t think it helps. I wish anti-abortion activist would flip a switch and instead of just looking to deny abortions, work to solve the issue of unintended pregnancy. Cause that’s the path to a much reduced abortion rate.

    all that said, articles like this actually still piss me off and are obviously written for people that just agree already with the author. It’s nonsense to compare # of deaths in the abortion debate, because if you believe it’s life, abortion Always causes more deaths than not having abortion. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,808
    cincybearcat said:
    https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/05/05/opinions/supporting-abortion-is-pro-life-opinion-campoamor/index.html

    Im anti-abortion and as such you can imagine I think this article is 100% nuts. Calling for killing babies to save lives is just nuts. But as I’ve read here, I’m sure many agree with the sentiments of this article.

    i will say that I personally have reached a point where I believe this issue has been settled as to law in the US.  I don’t particularly like crazy laws just to challenge Roe v Wade anymore, because I don’t think it helps. I wish anti-abortion activist would flip a switch and instead of just looking to deny abortions, work to solve the issue of unintended pregnancy. Cause that’s the path to a much reduced abortion rate.

    all that said, articles like this actually still piss me off and are obviously written for people that just agree already with the author. It’s nonsense to compare # of deaths in the abortion debate, because if you believe it’s life, abortion Always causes more deaths than not having abortion. 
    it's not crazy at all. the idea is that the more access you have to health services, reproductive information services, abortion included, the more educated women/people become on the issue, and are further empowered to prevent unwanted pregnancy in the first place. 

    less unwanted pregnancy = less abortion
    less unwanted pregnancy = less maternal and infant mortality 

    Darwinspeed, all. 

    Cheers,

    HFD




  • dignindignin Posts: 9,303

    Trump's ban on global abortion funding has led to more abortions


    https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/24/health/trump-mexico-city-policy-abortion-ban-kenya-asequals-intl/index.html
  • jnimhaoileoinjnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    Today Ireland votes on whether or not we respect our women and their right to autonomy over their own bodies. Do me proud Ireland. Seas le mná, vótáil TÁ. #Repealthe8th
  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    jnimhaoileoin said:
    Today Ireland votes on whether or not we respect our women and their right to autonomy over their own bodies. Do me proud Ireland. Seas le mná, vótáil TÁ. #Repealthe8th
    Are you talking to me?
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    I hope your vote goes well and that after it becomes legal your abortion rates stay low.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,821
    jnimhaoileoin said:
    Today Ireland votes on whether or not we respect our women and their right to autonomy over their own bodies. Do me proud Ireland. Seas le mná, vótáil TÁ. #Repealthe8th
    Good luck. 
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  • jnimhaoileoinjnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    jnimhaoileoin said:
    Today Ireland votes on whether or not we respect our women and their right to autonomy over their own bodies. Do me proud Ireland. Seas le mná, vótáil TÁ. #Repealthe8th
    Are you talking to me?
    Why would I be talking to you??? I'm commenting on our referendum
  • jnimhaoileoinjnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    oftenreading said:
    jnimhaoileoin said:
    Today Ireland votes on whether or not we respect our women and their right to autonomy over their own bodies. Do me proud Ireland. Seas le mná, vótáil TÁ. #Repealthe8th
    Good luck. 
    Thanks :smile:
  • hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of forever Posts: 24,524
    jnimhaoileoin said:
    Today Ireland votes on whether or not we respect our women and their right to autonomy over their own bodies. Do me proud Ireland. Seas le mná, vótáil TÁ. #Repealthe8th
    Fingers crossed, Jenny!
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,506
    jnimhaoileoin said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    jnimhaoileoin said:
    Today Ireland votes on whether or not we respect our women and their right to autonomy over their own bodies. Do me proud Ireland. Seas le mná, vótáil TÁ. #Repealthe8th
    Are you talking to me?
    Why would I be talking to you??? I'm commenting on our referendum
    Haha - I think he asked because of the "TA" part. :lol:
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  • jnimhaoileoinjnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    PJ_Soul said:
    jnimhaoileoin said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    jnimhaoileoin said:
    Today Ireland votes on whether or not we respect our women and their right to autonomy over their own bodies. Do me proud Ireland. Seas le mná, vótáil TÁ. #Repealthe8th
    Are you talking to me?
    Why would I be talking to you??? I'm commenting on our referendum
    Haha - I think he asked because of the "TA" part. :lol:
    That did occur to me but I thought surely he couldn't think that a word which is clearly in a foreign language has anything to do with him. Why would I randomly mention him in a post about the abortion referendum?
  • jnimhaoileoinjnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    Cautiously optimistic :smile:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/irish-times-exit-poll-projects-ireland-has-voted-by-landslide-to-repeal-eighth-amendment-1.3508861?mode=amp
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,506
    edited May 2018
    jnimhaoileoin said:
    Cautiously optimistic :smile:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/irish-times-exit-poll-projects-ireland-has-voted-by-landslide-to-repeal-eighth-amendment-1.3508861?mode=amp
    :joy:
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  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    PJ_Soul said:
    jnimhaoileoin said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    jnimhaoileoin said:
    Today Ireland votes on whether or not we respect our women and their right to autonomy over their own bodies. Do me proud Ireland. Seas le mná, vótáil TÁ. #Repealthe8th
    Are you talking to me?
    Why would I be talking to you??? I'm commenting on our referendum
    Haha - I think he asked because of the "TA" part. :lol:
    Haha you got it!
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  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    jnimhaoileoin said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    jnimhaoileoin said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    jnimhaoileoin said:
    Today Ireland votes on whether or not we respect our women and their right to autonomy over their own bodies. Do me proud Ireland. Seas le mná, vótáil TÁ. #Repealthe8th
    Are you talking to me?
    Why would I be talking to you??? I'm commenting on our referendum
    Haha - I think he asked because of the "TA" part. :lol:
    That did occur to me but I thought surely he couldn't think that a word which is clearly in a foreign language has anything to do with him. Why would I randomly mention him in a post about the abortion referendum?
    I was taking the piss.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,537
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,537
    Looks like the people of Ireland have done the right thing......

    Ireland to end abortion ban in historic vote
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Bentleyspop said:
    Looks like the people of Ireland have done the right thing......

    Ireland to end abortion ban in historic vote

    Evolution!
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  • jnimhaoileoinjnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    And about bloody time we joined the 21st century
  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    Congratulations Ireland.
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