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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    i've got 13 guitars. it isn't hoarding if the stuff is cool af.....

    Hell yeah!  :plus_one:
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  • josevolution
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  • seanwon
    seanwon Posts: 598
    mace1229 said:
    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mace1229 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mace1229 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mace1229 said:
    vaggar99 said:
    Where was the good guy with a gun last Saturday?  Oh yeah, he ran like a coward.  Guns are good!
    Who ran?
    The cop on the roof? He was standing on the shoulders of another cop and fell off.

    1) please tell me this is a joke
    2) cops lie

    No video exist of a cop on a roof despite multiple videos of the shooter.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp-video/mmvo214976581665

    Show me any evidence this didn’t happen.

    1) that's not how evidence works
    2) cops lie

    Police officers carry a lot of gear, which can add up to 25–30 pounds.  Let's see this magnificent specimen of an officer who was able to pull himself up onto a roof with full tactical gear in 90 degree weather.  As a recreational climber, I call bullshit.   

    If a cop fell 8 feet to the ground he'd be claiming months of work comp and disability payments.  Let's see the medical records for the sprained ankle.  

    Really, let's interview this hero who 'puts his life on the line everyday'.  



    That’s not how evidence works?
    No credible witnesses I’ve seen have put a cop on the roof. No video of a cop on the roof exists. There is no evidence of a cop on the roof.

    You’re the one claiming a cop was on the roof, then you go on to say no cop can hoist himself up onto the roof with his gear. So which is it? Was he on the roof or can he not pull himself up? He can’t be both on the roof and unable to climb up at the same time.

    The released story is he peered is head into the rooftop with the help of another cop, and was unable to hoist himself up. They were responding to witnesses shouting someone was crawling on the rooftop and they wanted to get a visual of what was happening. With only his head and shoulders above the rooftop, the shooter pointed his gun at him. At that point, unable to get on the roof like you said and without a free hand to draw a gun, he ducked and fell. Most likely not 8 feet, probably only 4 or 5. Remember, he didn’t fall off the roof, because like you said he was unable to hoist himself up, he fell from being pulled up to head level.

    "Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence"

    The video clip you sent said he fell 8 feet.  

    So the only 'evidence' we have is the cop's word.  Which we got second hand from (I assume his Cheif)

    cops lie
    Everybody lies 

    Pearl Jam lies 
    Teachers lie 
    Democrats lie
    Republicans lie
    Doctors lie

    you just hate police. There’s terrible people in every profession in this world.  One teacher molests a kid doesn’t mean they’re all molesters. I can’t imagine carrying around the amount of hate you have towards anything you don’t agree with. It can’t be healthy. 
    "The safest communities don't have the most cops, they have the most resources"

    They had one job that day.  And failed.

    Dozens of armed cops and Secret Service, outflanked by a single 20 year old twerp.
    With a “borrowed” AR15 from a “responsible” gun owner.

    gun hoarder

    "It is unclear how and when he became interested in guns, but his father owned more than a dozen firearms, including the semiautomatic rifle used in the attack."
    I reflect this statement and still to this day have never tried to shoot anyone.  Amazing. For the record I was 9.
    Same. Owning a dozen guns really isn’t that many for someone who collects guns.
    Same. Neither myself or the hundredish people I know with guns have ever used them for anything illegal. Our guns better hurry up and sneak out of the house and shoot up a school or something. Otherwise we will be stuck being responsible gun owners for the rest of our lives, rather than "responsible" gun owners.
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,229
    seanwon said:
    mace1229 said:
    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mace1229 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mace1229 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mace1229 said:
    vaggar99 said:
    Where was the good guy with a gun last Saturday?  Oh yeah, he ran like a coward.  Guns are good!
    Who ran?
    The cop on the roof? He was standing on the shoulders of another cop and fell off.

    1) please tell me this is a joke
    2) cops lie

    No video exist of a cop on a roof despite multiple videos of the shooter.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp-video/mmvo214976581665

    Show me any evidence this didn’t happen.

    1) that's not how evidence works
    2) cops lie

    Police officers carry a lot of gear, which can add up to 25–30 pounds.  Let's see this magnificent specimen of an officer who was able to pull himself up onto a roof with full tactical gear in 90 degree weather.  As a recreational climber, I call bullshit.   

    If a cop fell 8 feet to the ground he'd be claiming months of work comp and disability payments.  Let's see the medical records for the sprained ankle.  

    Really, let's interview this hero who 'puts his life on the line everyday'.  



    That’s not how evidence works?
    No credible witnesses I’ve seen have put a cop on the roof. No video of a cop on the roof exists. There is no evidence of a cop on the roof.

    You’re the one claiming a cop was on the roof, then you go on to say no cop can hoist himself up onto the roof with his gear. So which is it? Was he on the roof or can he not pull himself up? He can’t be both on the roof and unable to climb up at the same time.

    The released story is he peered is head into the rooftop with the help of another cop, and was unable to hoist himself up. They were responding to witnesses shouting someone was crawling on the rooftop and they wanted to get a visual of what was happening. With only his head and shoulders above the rooftop, the shooter pointed his gun at him. At that point, unable to get on the roof like you said and without a free hand to draw a gun, he ducked and fell. Most likely not 8 feet, probably only 4 or 5. Remember, he didn’t fall off the roof, because like you said he was unable to hoist himself up, he fell from being pulled up to head level.

    "Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence"

    The video clip you sent said he fell 8 feet.  

    So the only 'evidence' we have is the cop's word.  Which we got second hand from (I assume his Cheif)

    cops lie
    Everybody lies 

    Pearl Jam lies 
    Teachers lie 
    Democrats lie
    Republicans lie
    Doctors lie

    you just hate police. There’s terrible people in every profession in this world.  One teacher molests a kid doesn’t mean they’re all molesters. I can’t imagine carrying around the amount of hate you have towards anything you don’t agree with. It can’t be healthy. 
    "The safest communities don't have the most cops, they have the most resources"

    They had one job that day.  And failed.

    Dozens of armed cops and Secret Service, outflanked by a single 20 year old twerp.
    With a “borrowed” AR15 from a “responsible” gun owner.

    gun hoarder

    "It is unclear how and when he became interested in guns, but his father owned more than a dozen firearms, including the semiautomatic rifle used in the attack."
    I reflect this statement and still to this day have never tried to shoot anyone.  Amazing. For the record I was 9.
    Same. Owning a dozen guns really isn’t that many for someone who collects guns.
    Same. Neither myself or the hundredish people I know with guns have ever used them for anything illegal. Our guns better hurry up and sneak out of the house and shoot up a school or something. Otherwise we will be stuck being responsible gun owners for the rest of our lives, rather than "responsible" gun owners.
    It's not about YOU. It's about access for THEM
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  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    mace1229 said:
    CM189191 said:

    gun hoarder

    "It is unclear how and when he became interested in guns, but his father owned more than a dozen firearms, including the semiautomatic rifle used in the attack."
    I reflect this statement and still to this day have never tried to shoot anyone.  Amazing. For the record I was 9.
    Same. Owning a dozen guns really isn’t that many for someone who collects guns.

    To be fair, that's gun country/ hunting country, and I agree with mace1229; a dozen guns is not a lot for a collector. (Why collect guns? I don't know -- why collect Zippo lighters?)
    On the other hand, my husband went to a gun shop recently and was taken aback by how things had changed since he was a kid. He felt that the focus had shifted from hunting rifles and the like to quasi-military equipment, ARs, etc. We both grew up in gun/hunting cultures, and we've both observed a shift in the mindset of many people in that group.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,313
    And they’re all “responsible” gun owners, until they’re not.
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  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,160
    And they’re all “responsible” gun owners, until they’re not.
    OK
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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,906
    Imagine needing a gun.


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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,665
    And they’re all “responsible” gun owners, until they’re not.
    Fact!
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,447
    Imagine needing a gun.
    Never needed one.  Just enjoyed them.
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,160
    Imagine needing a gun.
    Hopefully, you never do need a gun. However, if you ever do, it would be good to know how it works and what to do beforehand, no?
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,502
    dudeman said:
    Imagine needing a gun.
    Hopefully, you never do need a gun. However, if you ever do, it would be good to know how it works and what to do beforehand, no?

    what? training with a deadly weapon? how unamerican....
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  • lastexitlondon
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    dudeman said:
    Imagine needing a gun.
    Hopefully, you never do need a gun. However, if you ever do, it would be good to know how it works and what to do beforehand, no?
    I will never need a gun  fear not  
    Maybe a stab vest the way this shit hole is going but if someone wants to shoot me fire away


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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,447
    mickeyrat said:
    dudeman said:
    Imagine needing a gun.
    Hopefully, you never do need a gun. However, if you ever do, it would be good to know how it works and what to do beforehand, no?

    what? training with a deadly weapon? how unamerican....
    I do realize I am built differently but whenever I got something new be it a car, gun, toy etc, I wanted to know how it worked and how to fix it, break it down.  


  • mickeyrat
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    mickeyrat said:
    dudeman said:
    Imagine needing a gun.
    Hopefully, you never do need a gun. However, if you ever do, it would be good to know how it works and what to do beforehand, no?

    what? training with a deadly weapon? how unamerican....
    I do realize I am built differently but whenever I got something new be it a car, gun, toy etc, I wanted to know how it worked and how to fix it, break it down.  



    would be common sense to do so in my book. but in a nation fully stocked with selfish dumbfucks......
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  • seanwon
    seanwon Posts: 598
    Imagine needing a gun.
    Amazing how guns become palatable once you see a genuine situation where one would have helped...
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  • seanwon
    seanwon Posts: 598
    And they’re all “responsible” gun owners, until they’re not.
    Fact!
    What percentage of gun owners are ever convicted of a crime involving their gun? 
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    2008: 6/27 Hartford                 2009: 10/27 Philadelphia 1              2010: 5/15 Hartford,   5/21 MSG 2
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,313
    seanwon said:
    And they’re all “responsible” gun owners, until they’re not.
    Fact!
    What percentage of gun owners are ever convicted of a crime involving their gun? 
    Won’t matter, Kamala and Tim are coming to take them all away, every single last one of them.
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  • seanwon
    seanwon Posts: 598
    seanwon said:
    And they’re all “responsible” gun owners, until they’re not.
    Fact!
    What percentage of gun owners are ever convicted of a crime involving their gun? 
    Won’t matter, Kamala and Tim are coming to take them all away, every single last one of them.
    So, the answer will blow up the narrative. Got it.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,502

     

    Columbus, Dayton, gun safety advocates settle court case over Ohio’s background check system

    Under the settlement the cities and state officials will work to improve the system’s technology and lobby for more accountability among reporting agencies

    By: Nick Evans - August 22, 2024 4:55 am

    Potential buyers try out guns which are displayed on an exhibitor’s table during the Nation’s Gun Show. (Photo by Alex Wong, Getty Images)

    The cities of Dayton and Columbus as well as Everytown For Gun Safety settled a four years-long court battle this week with the state of Ohio over the criminal background check system. The program is a well-known protection to ensure people with a serious criminal convictions aren’t able to purchase a firearm, but it’s also used to ensure they aren’t hired to a position of trust, like a teacher or police officer.

    But that database is only as useful as its data.

    In court, the cities argued Ohio’s Bureau of Criminal Investigation was failing to meet its obligation to collect information and maintain the database. State law requires BCI to collect information for the system “from wherever procurable,” and designates the agency as the clearinghouse for Ohio’s criminal records.

    The cities’ initial complaint allows that court clerks have a role, too. After all, who else knows better when a case has been adjudicated? But attorneys for the cities argued “many (clerks) complain that BCI rejects that information on technical grounds; and, for the clerks that simply do not report or fail to do so in a timely manner, they do so with apparent impunity from BCI.”

    Under a settlement agreement approved in court this week, the parties, agreed to a series of steps meant to improve the background check system and make it easier for agencies to upload information.

    “We all share a responsibility to do everything we can to make sure that those prohibited from purchasing guns are unable to walk out of a gun store with a firearm,” Everytown Executive Director Eric Tirschwell argued in a press release announcing the agreement.

    “This settlement should serve as a model for other states to take the critical steps necessary to ensure that all criminal convictions and other prohibiting records can be accessed when someone tries to buy a gun,” he said.

    But attorneys for the cities warned that the success of agreed-upon changes hinges in part on cooperation from state lawmakers. And Dayton law director Barbara Doseck added, despite Ohio’s home rule provisions, local governments remain powerless to pass their own firearm restrictions.

    “This settlement is a positive step in the right direction,” she insisted. “However, without action from the General Assembly, Ohio cities cannot pass laws that reduce access to guns or the associated gun violence. Without cooperation, Dayton is left to endure, as we have since the Oregon District shooting, without any real ability to make impactful change in our own community.”


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