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brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,017
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Guns.

Guns guns guns.

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Anything else on anybody's mind?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    It's the fear that the liberal media is pushing right now. Of course it's on everyones mind. Before the kook in Newtown all the media was talking about was that woman who committed suicide because of a radio prank. People talking about bullying...how pranks are wrong. It's comical at times how much power the media has to direct public opinion.
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,687
    we have them in mind,and we gonna continue to talk about how bad are no matter if some try to change the subject of the conversation..
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,017
    DS1119 wrote:
    It's the fear that the liberal media is pushing right now. Of course it's on everyones mind. Before the kook in Newtown all the media was talking about was that woman who committed suicide because of a radio prank. People talking about bullying...how pranks are wrong. It's comical at times how much power the media has to direct public opinion.

    I don't know about the liberal media, DS. I tend to get my news from more independent sources... like AMT :lol:
    No, seriously, , I know it's on everyone's mind and I've posted comments on the subject myself but I'm referring to the obsession with the subject on this section of the PJ forum- AMT- right here. It's an important subject, surely, but I have to ask- does it really deserve as high a percentage of our attention as it's gotten for two whole weeks? Is this all that's going on in the world of current events? Does nothing else matter?
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Unplug!

    But really, go get some fresh air, sir...maybe a few sweet tunes too.

    Both good for the soul - but you already know that ;)
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    hedonist wrote:
    Unplug!

    But really, go get some fresh air, sir...maybe a few sweet tunes too.

    Both good for the soul - but you already know that ;)

    Cheers to that!
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    brianlux wrote:
    Guns.

    Guns guns guns.

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    Anything else on anybody's mind?











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  • mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
    got a gun
    fact i got three
    never shot at a living thing
    fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

    "what a long, strange trip it's been"
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Me either. I refuse to hunt.
  • goingtoveronagoingtoverona Posts: 616
    this is my rifle this is my gun, this is for fighting this is for fun.
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • fear4freedomfear4freedom Posts: 920
    Brian you bring up a good point! The actual over hyping and over reaction and over coverage is worse than the crime itself! I know one thing......if this event was on local news only, (like all of Chicago's killings) there wouldnt be much a fuss of it! Also, many kids out there wont think its a good way to become famous!

    Many kids who seek attention while battling with inner thoughts, see this as a chance to be famous and well known!

    Setting all politics aside....this is true....the coverage is worse than the crime as far as possible future mass murders!
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • PJFAN13PJFAN13 Posts: 1,422
    “Guns don't kill people, people kill people, and monkeys do too (if they have a gun).”
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,557
    see how long this lasts now.....


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  • justamjustam Posts: 21,410
    I saw a sign today that kind of shocked me.

    The small town I live it had an ace hardware store.  Owned by an older couple.  They died and their son has since turned most of the store into a guns and amo store.

    So today, I saw a billboard that had two halves to it.  On the left half of the billboard it had typical ACE hardware verbage: friendly and helpful staff, reliable service, etc.  The right half of the billboard, in HUGE LETTERS, just said GUNS AND AMO.

    Yeah, that really sounds friendly, helpful, and reliable... UGH 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,017
    edited May 26
    I was really sick of hearing about guns when I started this thread.  Nowadays, I'm just really sick of hearing about people being killed by gunfire. :frowning:                          

    P.S. That was 12 years ago?  Good gawd, have I been coming here that long?!  :lol:
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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,061
    mickeyrat said:
    see how long this lasts now.....


    And well under one percent of people murdered in the US each year are killed with a rifle, "assault" or otherwise. 

    The overwhelming majority of gun deaths in the US each year are suicides, which is tragic and probably deserving of a separate discussion. The remaining gun deaths (murders, accidental shootings and officer-involved shootings) are nearly all committed with handguns.
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  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 13,841
    Gun=gun
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,017
    edited May 27
    dudeman said:
    mickeyrat said:
    see how long this lasts now.....


    And well under one percent of people murdered in the US each year are killed with a rifle, "assault" or otherwise. 

    The overwhelming majority of gun deaths in the US each year are suicides, which is tragic and probably deserving of a separate discussion. The remaining gun deaths (murders, accidental shootings and officer-involved shootings) are nearly all committed with handguns.

    It's true, Dudeman, that assault rifles are involved in a small percentage of gun death killings overall, but when they are involved, they claim a lot of lives in a very short period of time.  That's what assault rifles are made to do and that's why a lot of us want to see them banned outside of military use (actually, I'd love to see them ALL go away forever, but that's a pipe dream, of course.)
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,017
    Meh, only 1 killed.

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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,017
    Fewer guns, more gnus!
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  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 13,841
    I've more chance of understanding what a gnu is saying than understanding why anyone wants/needs a gun
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,017
    lastexitlondon said:
    I've more chance of understanding what a gnu is saying than understanding why anyone wants/needs a gun

    I probably only know what a gnu is from doing crossword puzzles, lol.  They're kinda cool looking though!
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  • seanwonseanwon Posts: 468
    lastexitlondon said:
    I've more chance of understanding what a gnu is saying than understanding why anyone wants/needs a gun
    Well, let's see.  I live in the country.  We have bobcats, coyotes, bear, coydogs.  I actually had a bear come and rip a birdfeeder off the side of the house. I like to hike in the fields and woods around my place, and to go out in the fields in the middle of the night and look at the stars. Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and have a gun on me in those situations if that is ok with you. I don't like my odds against one of those creatures with my bare hands. 
    Extra Bonus:  I sleep well knowing if I wake up to the sounds of someone breaking into my house, I am ready to defend myself. You city slickers can go ahead and call the police, hide under the bed, and hope they get there in time.   



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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,810
    seanwon said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    I've more chance of understanding what a gnu is saying than understanding why anyone wants/needs a gun
    Well, let's see.  I live in the country.  We have bobcats, coyotes, bear, coydogs.  I actually had a bear come and rip a birdfeeder off the side of the house. I like to hike in the fields and woods around my place, and to go out in the fields in the middle of the night and look at the stars. Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and have a gun on me in those situations if that is ok with you. I don't like my odds against one of those creatures with my bare hands. 
    Extra Bonus:  I sleep well knowing if I wake up to the sounds of someone breaking into my house, I am ready to defend myself. You city slickers can go ahead and call the police, hide under the bed, and hope they get there in time.   



    I'd just like to point out that the parachute analogy is one of the worst in favor of guns I've ever seen. Just plain stupid.

    Also, it sounds like you live in fear of the world, both natural and human alike. Boogie man is coming for your property in the middle of the night, seems reasonable. You'll shoot them first though so it's all good.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,017
    tbergs said:
    seanwon said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    I've more chance of understanding what a gnu is saying than understanding why anyone wants/needs a gun
    Well, let's see.  I live in the country.  We have bobcats, coyotes, bear, coydogs.  I actually had a bear come and rip a birdfeeder off the side of the house. I like to hike in the fields and woods around my place, and to go out in the fields in the middle of the night and look at the stars. Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and have a gun on me in those situations if that is ok with you. I don't like my odds against one of those creatures with my bare hands. 
    Extra Bonus:  I sleep well knowing if I wake up to the sounds of someone breaking into my house, I am ready to defend myself. You city slickers can go ahead and call the police, hide under the bed, and hope they get there in time.   



    I'd just like to point out that the parachute analogy is one of the worst in favor of guns I've ever seen. Just plain stupid.

    Also, it sounds like you live in fear of the world, both natural and human alike. Boogie man is coming for your property in the middle of the night, seems reasonable. You'll shoot them first though so it's all good.

    No kidding.  I mean, how many of us have had to defend ourselves with a gun in our homes?  Seriously!  I'm almost 73 years old and I've yet to meet one single person who has had to use a gun to protect their self at home... or anywhere else for that matter.  Not one!  I haven't.  And  I've lived in a lot of places including a few rather seedy neighborhoods, both rural and urban, and I've never needed a gun (or anything else) to protect myself.  They only shooting I've ever even heard when at home was one time in San Francisco when a domestic fight led to a shooting next door and one time hear when a neighbor blew themself away. 
    Yeah, it all boils down to fear.  What an awful way to see life.  Forget that!
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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,061
    brianlux said:
    tbergs said:
    seanwon said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    I've more chance of understanding what a gnu is saying than understanding why anyone wants/needs a gun
    Well, let's see.  I live in the country.  We have bobcats, coyotes, bear, coydogs.  I actually had a bear come and rip a birdfeeder off the side of the house. I like to hike in the fields and woods around my place, and to go out in the fields in the middle of the night and look at the stars. Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and have a gun on me in those situations if that is ok with you. I don't like my odds against one of those creatures with my bare hands. 
    Extra Bonus:  I sleep well knowing if I wake up to the sounds of someone breaking into my house, I am ready to defend myself. You city slickers can go ahead and call the police, hide under the bed, and hope they get there in time.   



    I'd just like to point out that the parachute analogy is one of the worst in favor of guns I've ever seen. Just plain stupid.

    Also, it sounds like you live in fear of the world, both natural and human alike. Boogie man is coming for your property in the middle of the night, seems reasonable. You'll shoot them first though so it's all good.

    No kidding.  I mean, how many of us have had to defend ourselves with a gun in our homes?  Seriously!  I'm almost 73 years old and I've yet to meet one single person who has had to use a gun to protect their self at home... or anywhere else for that matter.  Not one!  I haven't.  And  I've lived in a lot of places including a few rather seedy neighborhoods, both rural and urban, and I've never needed a gun (or anything else) to protect myself.  They only shooting I've ever even heard when at home was one time in San Francisco when a domestic fight led to a shooting next door and one time hear when a neighbor blew themself away. 
    Yeah, it all boils down to fear.  What an awful way to see life.  Forget that!
    I respect that opinion and point of view. I understand that it was formed by your life experience and I am glad that you haven't had to deal with violence in the way that some other people have. You are truly fortunate for that. 

    In my experience, I have lost a family member to a murderer and I know two people who have used firearms to protect themselves and loved ones from violent criminals.

    Those two people were prepared to use that level of force not because they live in fear, but because they understood that the time to learn how to use the metaphorical fire extinguisher was before the kitchen was on fire.

    I can't agree with the idea that if someone trains with firearms in the event that they (hopefully never) have to use them in defense of their life is paranoid or living in fear. I have a spare tire and jack in my vehicle but I don't feel like I'm living in fear of getting a flat. 

    There is a world of difference between paranoia/living in fear and being prepared for dealing with bad situations. We all decide where we land on that scale based on our own life experiences. 
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  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 13,841
    More guns equals more guns
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,017
    dudeman said:
    brianlux said:
    tbergs said:
    seanwon said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    I've more chance of understanding what a gnu is saying than understanding why anyone wants/needs a gun
    Well, let's see.  I live in the country.  We have bobcats, coyotes, bear, coydogs.  I actually had a bear come and rip a birdfeeder off the side of the house. I like to hike in the fields and woods around my place, and to go out in the fields in the middle of the night and look at the stars. Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and have a gun on me in those situations if that is ok with you. I don't like my odds against one of those creatures with my bare hands. 
    Extra Bonus:  I sleep well knowing if I wake up to the sounds of someone breaking into my house, I am ready to defend myself. You city slickers can go ahead and call the police, hide under the bed, and hope they get there in time.   



    I'd just like to point out that the parachute analogy is one of the worst in favor of guns I've ever seen. Just plain stupid.

    Also, it sounds like you live in fear of the world, both natural and human alike. Boogie man is coming for your property in the middle of the night, seems reasonable. You'll shoot them first though so it's all good.

    No kidding.  I mean, how many of us have had to defend ourselves with a gun in our homes?  Seriously!  I'm almost 73 years old and I've yet to meet one single person who has had to use a gun to protect their self at home... or anywhere else for that matter.  Not one!  I haven't.  And  I've lived in a lot of places including a few rather seedy neighborhoods, both rural and urban, and I've never needed a gun (or anything else) to protect myself.  They only shooting I've ever even heard when at home was one time in San Francisco when a domestic fight led to a shooting next door and one time hear when a neighbor blew themself away. 
    Yeah, it all boils down to fear.  What an awful way to see life.  Forget that!
    I respect that opinion and point of view. I understand that it was formed by your life experience and I am glad that you haven't had to deal with violence in the way that some other people have. You are truly fortunate for that. 

    In my experience, I have lost a family member to a murderer and I know two people who have used firearms to protect themselves and loved ones from violent criminals.

    Those two people were prepared to use that level of force not because they live in fear, but because they understood that the time to learn how to use the metaphorical fire extinguisher was before the kitchen was on fire.

    I can't agree with the idea that if someone trains with firearms in the event that they (hopefully never) have to use them in defense of their life is paranoid or living in fear. I have a spare tire and jack in my vehicle but I don't feel like I'm living in fear of getting a flat. 

    There is a world of difference between paranoia/living in fear and being prepared for dealing with bad situations. We all decide where we land on that scale based on our own life experiences. 

    And given the circumstances, I can understand where you're coming from, Dudeman.  I can't say for certain what I would do if I had similar situations that close to me.  I did lose a cousin in-law to a knifing outside a bar, but he was jumped and wouldn't have had time to defend himself, armed or not.  I also knew a really nice guy who used to come into the bookstore now and then who was shot to death.  He worked as a physical trainer, but also moonlighted on occasion as a bouncer down in Sacramento and was shot and killed trying to protect some other people.  Again, I'm not sure if his being armed would have made a difference.  

    I myself have been assaulted twice, once by a mentally ill man who followed me out of a store and asked me why I was following him.  HE was behind ME!  He came at me with a heavy club and, thankfully I was the faster runner.  I suppose if I had a gun I could have shot him.  But who wants to go packing every time you go to the store?  Even after that having happened to me, I wouldn't.

    The other assault happened at night as I was coming out of a gas station/store and a kid came up from behind me and hit me on the back of the head.  Some instinct in me led me to pick up may pace ever so slightly and the blow was painful but not injurious. I later learned that this was very likely a kid doing what is called "the knock out game" where the intent is to attack from behind and try to knock out the random victim.  People have died that way.  I don't go out much at night anymore.  The cop I talked to said if it had been him, he would have shot the kid.  But imagine being a civilian and shooting the kid.  How do you prove what happened?  The lengthy trials, the hassle.  Best to learn from the experience and don't go to such places at night.

    And I should add that I know several people who have guns, some who are very close and important to me and I don't judge them.  I also know they are sane, sensible, smart people who can be trusted.  The sad truth is, there are just too many people out there who are not well trained both in the use of firearms or in the ability to be clear-headed and make good choices in tough or stressful situations.  All of that and background checks and probably even being able to cite good cause might do well as mandatory requirements for firearms ownership.  I honestly believe there are just too many guns and too little accountability and proper training.  
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  • seanwonseanwon Posts: 468
    edited June 5
    dudeman said:
    brianlux said:
    tbergs said:
    seanwon said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    I've more chance of understanding what a gnu is saying than understanding why anyone wants/needs a gun
    Well, let's see.  I live in the country.  We have bobcats, coyotes, bear, coydogs.  I actually had a bear come and rip a birdfeeder off the side of the house. I like to hike in the fields and woods around my place, and to go out in the fields in the middle of the night and look at the stars. Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and have a gun on me in those situations if that is ok with you. I don't like my odds against one of those creatures with my bare hands. 
    Extra Bonus:  I sleep well knowing if I wake up to the sounds of someone breaking into my house, I am ready to defend myself. You city slickers can go ahead and call the police, hide under the bed, and hope they get there in time.   



    I'd just like to point out that the parachute analogy is one of the worst in favor of guns I've ever seen. Just plain stupid.

    Also, it sounds like you live in fear of the world, both natural and human alike. Boogie man is coming for your property in the middle of the night, seems reasonable. You'll shoot them first though so it's all good.

    No kidding.  I mean, how many of us have had to defend ourselves with a gun in our homes?  Seriously!  I'm almost 73 years old and I've yet to meet one single person who has had to use a gun to protect their self at home... or anywhere else for that matter.  Not one!  I haven't.  And  I've lived in a lot of places including a few rather seedy neighborhoods, both rural and urban, and I've never needed a gun (or anything else) to protect myself.  They only shooting I've ever even heard when at home was one time in San Francisco when a domestic fight led to a shooting next door and one time hear when a neighbor blew themself away. 
    Yeah, it all boils down to fear.  What an awful way to see life.  Forget that!
    I respect that opinion and point of view. I understand that it was formed by your life experience and I am glad that you haven't had to deal with violence in the way that some other people have. You are truly fortunate for that. 

    In my experience, I have lost a family member to a murderer and I know two people who have used firearms to protect themselves and loved ones from violent criminals.

    Those two people were prepared to use that level of force not because they live in fear, but because they understood that the time to learn how to use the metaphorical fire extinguisher was before the kitchen was on fire.

    I can't agree with the idea that if someone trains with firearms in the event that they (hopefully never) have to use them in defense of their life is paranoid or living in fear. I have a spare tire and jack in my vehicle but I don't feel like I'm living in fear of getting a flat. 

    There is a world of difference between paranoia/living in fear and being prepared for dealing with bad situations. We all decide where we land on that scale based on our own life experiences. 
    Thanks, you get it.  A classmate's father was murdered when I was in high school.

    Post Intermission:  When I was in high school, people drove to school and literally had guns hanging in gun racks on the back window of their pick-ups. Trucks unlocked, ammo in the cab, gun right there on the back window. Never any violence. No school shootings. HHmmmmm. So, in modern times, do we really have a gun problem, or is it something else? I have some thoughts, but you wouldn't like them.


    And 10 minutes from my house there was a home invasion about 10 years ago. 
    EDIT: found some links, I know you guys like your proof...Averill Park, 5 minutes from me. Cohoes, 15 minutes from me.

    https://www.news10.com/news/averill-park-women-arrested-after-entering-home-and-destroying-and-stealing-property/

    https://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Police-arrest-second-suspect-in-Cohoes-home-2205901.php

     This is what the anti-gun nutters don't understand....we don't live in a state of fear.  We like to be prepared.  I don't wear a seatbelt because I am afraid of being in a car accident...I wear one so I maximize my chances IN CASE I am in one.  I don't have health insurance because I'm paranoid about getting sick...I have it IN CASE I get sick. 

    If I were afraid of the natural world, I wouldn't be in the middle of it half a mile away from any houses in the middle of the night.  Most animals are scared of us and will steer clear of us.  But there are rare occasions where they don't.  Especially if they're rabid. I'm prepared in that event.

    And no Brian, I don't live in fear of a home invasion.  Odds are it will never happen. But if it does....I'll be prepared. If it ever happens to you, I can assure you...you will know what true fear is then.  But don't worry, probably will never happen.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,083
    seanwon said:
    dudeman said:
    brianlux said:
    tbergs said:
    seanwon said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    I've more chance of understanding what a gnu is saying than understanding why anyone wants/needs a gun
    Well, let's see.  I live in the country.  We have bobcats, coyotes, bear, coydogs.  I actually had a bear come and rip a birdfeeder off the side of the house. I like to hike in the fields and woods around my place, and to go out in the fields in the middle of the night and look at the stars. Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and have a gun on me in those situations if that is ok with you. I don't like my odds against one of those creatures with my bare hands. 
    Extra Bonus:  I sleep well knowing if I wake up to the sounds of someone breaking into my house, I am ready to defend myself. You city slickers can go ahead and call the police, hide under the bed, and hope they get there in time.   



    I'd just like to point out that the parachute analogy is one of the worst in favor of guns I've ever seen. Just plain stupid.

    Also, it sounds like you live in fear of the world, both natural and human alike. Boogie man is coming for your property in the middle of the night, seems reasonable. You'll shoot them first though so it's all good.

    No kidding.  I mean, how many of us have had to defend ourselves with a gun in our homes?  Seriously!  I'm almost 73 years old and I've yet to meet one single person who has had to use a gun to protect their self at home... or anywhere else for that matter.  Not one!  I haven't.  And  I've lived in a lot of places including a few rather seedy neighborhoods, both rural and urban, and I've never needed a gun (or anything else) to protect myself.  They only shooting I've ever even heard when at home was one time in San Francisco when a domestic fight led to a shooting next door and one time hear when a neighbor blew themself away. 
    Yeah, it all boils down to fear.  What an awful way to see life.  Forget that!
    I respect that opinion and point of view. I understand that it was formed by your life experience and I am glad that you haven't had to deal with violence in the way that some other people have. You are truly fortunate for that. 

    In my experience, I have lost a family member to a murderer and I know two people who have used firearms to protect themselves and loved ones from violent criminals.

    Those two people were prepared to use that level of force not because they live in fear, but because they understood that the time to learn how to use the metaphorical fire extinguisher was before the kitchen was on fire.

    I can't agree with the idea that if someone trains with firearms in the event that they (hopefully never) have to use them in defense of their life is paranoid or living in fear. I have a spare tire and jack in my vehicle but I don't feel like I'm living in fear of getting a flat. 

    There is a world of difference between paranoia/living in fear and being prepared for dealing with bad situations. We all decide where we land on that scale based on our own life experiences. 
    Thanks, you get it.  A classmate's father was murdered when I was in high school.

    Post Intermission:  When I was in high school, people drove to school and literally had guns hanging in gun racks on the back window of their pick-ups. Trucks unlocked, ammo in the cab, gun right there on the back window. Never any violence. No school shootings. HHmmmmm. So, in modern times, do we really have a gun problem, or is it something else? I have some thoughts, but you wouldn't like them.


    And 10 minutes from my house there was a home invasion about 10 years ago.  This is what the anti-gun nutters don't understand....we don't live in a state of fear.  We like to be prepared.  I don't wear a seatbelt because I am afraid of being in a car accident...I wear one so I maximize my chances IN CASE I am in one.  I don't have health insurance because I'm paranoid about getting sick...I have it IN CASE I get sick. 

    If I were afraid of the natural world, I wouldn't be in the middle of it half a mile away from any houses in the middle of the night.  Most animals are scared of us and will steer clear of us.  But there are rare occasions where they don't.  Especially if they're rabid. I'm prepared in that event.

    And no Brian, I don't live in fear of a home invasion.  Odds are it will never happen. But if it does....I'll be prepared. If it ever happens to you, I can assure you...you will know what true fear is then.  But don't worry, probably will never happen.
    You may be speaking too much for others here, because there are people who do live in a state of fear so they carry/own guns in an attempt to try and alleviate that. And yes, we do have a gun problem. 
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,017
    "I think we should arm everyone and see who's the last one standing."
    -Chuck Dukowski

    "There's more to the picture/ than meets the eye."
    -Neil Young
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













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