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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,061
    lastexitlondon said:
    Imagine needing a gun.
    Hopefully, you never do need a gun. However, if you ever do, it would be good to know how it works and what to do beforehand, no?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,558
    dudeman said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Imagine needing a gun.
    Hopefully, you never do need a gun. However, if you ever do, it would be good to know how it works and what to do beforehand, no?

    what? training with a deadly weapon? how unamerican....
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  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 13,847
    dudeman said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Imagine needing a gun.
    Hopefully, you never do need a gun. However, if you ever do, it would be good to know how it works and what to do beforehand, no?
    I will never need a gun  fear not  
    Maybe a stab vest the way this shit hole is going but if someone wants to shoot me fire away
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,351
    mickeyrat said:
    dudeman said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Imagine needing a gun.
    Hopefully, you never do need a gun. However, if you ever do, it would be good to know how it works and what to do beforehand, no?

    what? training with a deadly weapon? how unamerican....
    I do realize I am built differently but whenever I got something new be it a car, gun, toy etc, I wanted to know how it worked and how to fix it, break it down.  


  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,558
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    dudeman said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Imagine needing a gun.
    Hopefully, you never do need a gun. However, if you ever do, it would be good to know how it works and what to do beforehand, no?

    what? training with a deadly weapon? how unamerican....
    I do realize I am built differently but whenever I got something new be it a car, gun, toy etc, I wanted to know how it worked and how to fix it, break it down.  



    would be common sense to do so in my book. but in a nation fully stocked with selfish dumbfucks......
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  • seanwonseanwon Posts: 468
    lastexitlondon said:
    Imagine needing a gun.
    Amazing how guns become palatable once you see a genuine situation where one would have helped...
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    2003: 4/29 Albany,  5/2 Buffalo,  7/9 MSG 2                   2006: 5/12 Albany,  6/3 East Rutherford 2
    2008: 6/27 Hartford                 2009: 10/27 Philadelphia 1              2010: 5/15 Hartford,   5/21 MSG 2
    2013: 10/15 Worcester 1,  10/25 Hartford                       2014: 10/1 Cincinnati
    2016: 5/2 MSG 2,   8/5 Fenway 1,  11/7 Temple of the Dog MSG
    2018: 9/2 Fenway 1
    2020: 3/30 MSG             2022: 9/11 MSG            2023: 9/10 Noblesville
    2024: 9/3 MSG 1, 9/4 MSG 2 , 9/15 Fenway 1, 9/17 Fenway 2
  • seanwonseanwon Posts: 468
    josevolution said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    And they’re all “responsible” gun owners, until they’re not.
    Fact!
    What percentage of gun owners are ever convicted of a crime involving their gun? 
    1996: 9/29 Randall's Island 2,  10/1 Buffalo                  2000: 8/27 Saratoga Springs
    2003: 4/29 Albany,  5/2 Buffalo,  7/9 MSG 2                   2006: 5/12 Albany,  6/3 East Rutherford 2
    2008: 6/27 Hartford                 2009: 10/27 Philadelphia 1              2010: 5/15 Hartford,   5/21 MSG 2
    2013: 10/15 Worcester 1,  10/25 Hartford                       2014: 10/1 Cincinnati
    2016: 5/2 MSG 2,   8/5 Fenway 1,  11/7 Temple of the Dog MSG
    2018: 9/2 Fenway 1
    2020: 3/30 MSG             2022: 9/11 MSG            2023: 9/10 Noblesville
    2024: 9/3 MSG 1, 9/4 MSG 2 , 9/15 Fenway 1, 9/17 Fenway 2
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,017
    seanwon said:
    josevolution said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    And they’re all “responsible” gun owners, until they’re not.
    Fact!
    What percentage of gun owners are ever convicted of a crime involving their gun? 
    Won’t matter, Kamala and Tim are coming to take them all away, every single last one of them.
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  • seanwonseanwon Posts: 468
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    seanwon said:
    josevolution said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    And they’re all “responsible” gun owners, until they’re not.
    Fact!
    What percentage of gun owners are ever convicted of a crime involving their gun? 
    Won’t matter, Kamala and Tim are coming to take them all away, every single last one of them.
    So, the answer will blow up the narrative. Got it.
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    2003: 4/29 Albany,  5/2 Buffalo,  7/9 MSG 2                   2006: 5/12 Albany,  6/3 East Rutherford 2
    2008: 6/27 Hartford                 2009: 10/27 Philadelphia 1              2010: 5/15 Hartford,   5/21 MSG 2
    2013: 10/15 Worcester 1,  10/25 Hartford                       2014: 10/1 Cincinnati
    2016: 5/2 MSG 2,   8/5 Fenway 1,  11/7 Temple of the Dog MSG
    2018: 9/2 Fenway 1
    2020: 3/30 MSG             2022: 9/11 MSG            2023: 9/10 Noblesville
    2024: 9/3 MSG 1, 9/4 MSG 2 , 9/15 Fenway 1, 9/17 Fenway 2
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,558

     

    Columbus, Dayton, gun safety advocates settle court case over Ohio’s background check system

    Under the settlement the cities and state officials will work to improve the system’s technology and lobby for more accountability among reporting agencies

    By: Nick Evans - August 22, 2024 4:55 am

    Potential buyers try out guns which are displayed on an exhibitor’s table during the Nation’s Gun Show. (Photo by Alex Wong, Getty Images)

    The cities of Dayton and Columbus as well as Everytown For Gun Safety settled a four years-long court battle this week with the state of Ohio over the criminal background check system. The program is a well-known protection to ensure people with a serious criminal convictions aren’t able to purchase a firearm, but it’s also used to ensure they aren’t hired to a position of trust, like a teacher or police officer.

    But that database is only as useful as its data.

    In court, the cities argued Ohio’s Bureau of Criminal Investigation was failing to meet its obligation to collect information and maintain the database. State law requires BCI to collect information for the system “from wherever procurable,” and designates the agency as the clearinghouse for Ohio’s criminal records.

    The cities’ initial complaint allows that court clerks have a role, too. After all, who else knows better when a case has been adjudicated? But attorneys for the cities argued “many (clerks) complain that BCI rejects that information on technical grounds; and, for the clerks that simply do not report or fail to do so in a timely manner, they do so with apparent impunity from BCI.”

    Under a settlement agreement approved in court this week, the parties, agreed to a series of steps meant to improve the background check system and make it easier for agencies to upload information.

    “We all share a responsibility to do everything we can to make sure that those prohibited from purchasing guns are unable to walk out of a gun store with a firearm,” Everytown Executive Director Eric Tirschwell argued in a press release announcing the agreement.

    “This settlement should serve as a model for other states to take the critical steps necessary to ensure that all criminal convictions and other prohibiting records can be accessed when someone tries to buy a gun,” he said.

    But attorneys for the cities warned that the success of agreed-upon changes hinges in part on cooperation from state lawmakers. And Dayton law director Barbara Doseck added, despite Ohio’s home rule provisions, local governments remain powerless to pass their own firearm restrictions.

    “This settlement is a positive step in the right direction,” she insisted. “However, without action from the General Assembly, Ohio cities cannot pass laws that reduce access to guns or the associated gun violence. Without cooperation, Dayton is left to endure, as we have since the Oregon District shooting, without any real ability to make impactful change in our own community.”


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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,017
    Another “responsible” gun owner.

    https://apnews.com/article/utah-boy-killed-accidental-shooting-4c42f1492f48edfe44d71b6aaba77af7
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,519
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Another “responsible” gun owner.

    https://apnews.com/article/utah-boy-killed-accidental-shooting-4c42f1492f48edfe44d71b6aaba77af7
    Parents should be charged with child negligence it’s their fault the boy is no longer alive! 
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  • seanwonseanwon Posts: 468
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Another “responsible” gun owner.

    https://apnews.com/article/utah-boy-killed-accidental-shooting-4c42f1492f48edfe44d71b6aaba77af7
    What percentage of legal gun owners in the US are ever convicted of a crime involving one of their guns?
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    2003: 4/29 Albany,  5/2 Buffalo,  7/9 MSG 2                   2006: 5/12 Albany,  6/3 East Rutherford 2
    2008: 6/27 Hartford                 2009: 10/27 Philadelphia 1              2010: 5/15 Hartford,   5/21 MSG 2
    2013: 10/15 Worcester 1,  10/25 Hartford                       2014: 10/1 Cincinnati
    2016: 5/2 MSG 2,   8/5 Fenway 1,  11/7 Temple of the Dog MSG
    2018: 9/2 Fenway 1
    2020: 3/30 MSG             2022: 9/11 MSG            2023: 9/10 Noblesville
    2024: 9/3 MSG 1, 9/4 MSG 2 , 9/15 Fenway 1, 9/17 Fenway 2
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,262
    seanwon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Another “responsible” gun owner.

    https://apnews.com/article/utah-boy-killed-accidental-shooting-4c42f1492f48edfe44d71b6aaba77af7
    What percentage of legal gun owners in the US are ever convicted of a crime involving one of their guns?
    What percentage of children that kill themselves with their parents unlocked guns would survive if the gun wasn't unlocked?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,017
    seanwon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Another “responsible” gun owner.

    https://apnews.com/article/utah-boy-killed-accidental-shooting-4c42f1492f48edfe44d71b6aaba77af7
    What percentage of legal gun owners in the US are ever convicted of a crime involving one of their guns?
    Committing a crime, having a law on the books for what should be a crime and being charged and convicted of a crime are all separate but related things. What percentage of gun crimes are committed with a gun that was “legally” purchased?
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,083
    seanwon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Another “responsible” gun owner.

    https://apnews.com/article/utah-boy-killed-accidental-shooting-4c42f1492f48edfe44d71b6aaba77af7
    What percentage of legal gun owners in the US are ever convicted of a crime involving one of their guns?
    What percentage of illegal guns started out as legal guns? 
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,351
    Go Beavers said:
    seanwon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Another “responsible” gun owner.

    https://apnews.com/article/utah-boy-killed-accidental-shooting-4c42f1492f48edfe44d71b6aaba77af7
    What percentage of legal gun owners in the US are ever convicted of a crime involving one of their guns?
    What percentage of illegal guns started out as legal guns? 
    How many criminals weren't law breakers at first?
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,351
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    seanwon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Another “responsible” gun owner.

    https://apnews.com/article/utah-boy-killed-accidental-shooting-4c42f1492f48edfe44d71b6aaba77af7
    What percentage of legal gun owners in the US are ever convicted of a crime involving one of their guns?
    Committing a crime, having a law on the books for what should be a crime and being charged and convicted of a crime are all separate but related things. What percentage of gun crimes are committed with a gun that was “legally” purchased?
    I would think with the amount of guns out there that this percentage would be small?
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,351
    Gern Blansten said:
    seanwon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Another “responsible” gun owner.

    https://apnews.com/article/utah-boy-killed-accidental-shooting-4c42f1492f48edfe44d71b6aaba77af7
    What percentage of legal gun owners in the US are ever convicted of a crime involving one of their guns?
    What percentage of children that kill themselves with their parents unlocked guns would survive if the gun wasn't unlocked?
    Trick question, they would find another way of doing it...
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,017
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    seanwon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Another “responsible” gun owner.

    https://apnews.com/article/utah-boy-killed-accidental-shooting-4c42f1492f48edfe44d71b6aaba77af7
    What percentage of legal gun owners in the US are ever convicted of a crime involving one of their guns?
    What percentage of children that kill themselves with their parents unlocked guns would survive if the gun wasn't unlocked?
    Trick question, they would find another way of doing it...
    Because 5 year olds contemplate suicide?
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,083
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Go Beavers said:
    seanwon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Another “responsible” gun owner.

    https://apnews.com/article/utah-boy-killed-accidental-shooting-4c42f1492f48edfe44d71b6aaba77af7
    What percentage of legal gun owners in the US are ever convicted of a crime involving one of their guns?
    What percentage of illegal guns started out as legal guns? 
    How many criminals weren't law breakers at first?
    100%
  • seanwonseanwon Posts: 468
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    seanwon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Another “responsible” gun owner.

    https://apnews.com/article/utah-boy-killed-accidental-shooting-4c42f1492f48edfe44d71b6aaba77af7
    What percentage of legal gun owners in the US are ever convicted of a crime involving one of their guns?
    Committing a crime, having a law on the books for what should be a crime and being charged and convicted of a crime are all separate but related things. What percentage of gun crimes are committed with a gun that was “legally” purchased?
    So, "legally" means illegally. I would bet most illegally purchased guns are used for crimes, otherwise why would someone need an illegal gun that couldn't be traced to them?
    1996: 9/29 Randall's Island 2,  10/1 Buffalo                  2000: 8/27 Saratoga Springs
    2003: 4/29 Albany,  5/2 Buffalo,  7/9 MSG 2                   2006: 5/12 Albany,  6/3 East Rutherford 2
    2008: 6/27 Hartford                 2009: 10/27 Philadelphia 1              2010: 5/15 Hartford,   5/21 MSG 2
    2013: 10/15 Worcester 1,  10/25 Hartford                       2014: 10/1 Cincinnati
    2016: 5/2 MSG 2,   8/5 Fenway 1,  11/7 Temple of the Dog MSG
    2018: 9/2 Fenway 1
    2020: 3/30 MSG             2022: 9/11 MSG            2023: 9/10 Noblesville
    2024: 9/3 MSG 1, 9/4 MSG 2 , 9/15 Fenway 1, 9/17 Fenway 2
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,262
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    seanwon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Another “responsible” gun owner.

    https://apnews.com/article/utah-boy-killed-accidental-shooting-4c42f1492f48edfe44d71b6aaba77af7
    What percentage of legal gun owners in the US are ever convicted of a crime involving one of their guns?
    What percentage of children that kill themselves with their parents unlocked guns would survive if the gun wasn't unlocked?
    Trick question, they would find another way of doing it...
    uh...did you read the article?
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  • seanwonseanwon Posts: 468
    Gern Blansten said:
    seanwon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Another “responsible” gun owner.

    https://apnews.com/article/utah-boy-killed-accidental-shooting-4c42f1492f48edfe44d71b6aaba77af7
    What percentage of legal gun owners in the US are ever convicted of a crime involving one of their guns?
    What percentage of children that kill themselves with their parents unlocked guns would survive if the gun wasn't unlocked?
      We are discussing the % of legal gun owners who have never committed a crime with their guns.
    1996: 9/29 Randall's Island 2,  10/1 Buffalo                  2000: 8/27 Saratoga Springs
    2003: 4/29 Albany,  5/2 Buffalo,  7/9 MSG 2                   2006: 5/12 Albany,  6/3 East Rutherford 2
    2008: 6/27 Hartford                 2009: 10/27 Philadelphia 1              2010: 5/15 Hartford,   5/21 MSG 2
    2013: 10/15 Worcester 1,  10/25 Hartford                       2014: 10/1 Cincinnati
    2016: 5/2 MSG 2,   8/5 Fenway 1,  11/7 Temple of the Dog MSG
    2018: 9/2 Fenway 1
    2020: 3/30 MSG             2022: 9/11 MSG            2023: 9/10 Noblesville
    2024: 9/3 MSG 1, 9/4 MSG 2 , 9/15 Fenway 1, 9/17 Fenway 2
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,083
    seanwon said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    seanwon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Another “responsible” gun owner.

    https://apnews.com/article/utah-boy-killed-accidental-shooting-4c42f1492f48edfe44d71b6aaba77af7
    What percentage of legal gun owners in the US are ever convicted of a crime involving one of their guns?
    What percentage of children that kill themselves with their parents unlocked guns would survive if the gun wasn't unlocked?
      We are discussing the % of legal gun owners who have never committed a crime with their guns.
    Why is the number relevant to you and what’s your point being made? 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,017
    We were told that every gun that is manufactured in the US, or legally imported, is a legal gun. We were also told that every gun sold for the first time is a legal gun purchase, all by “responsible” gun owners.

    So, tell us, how many legal “responsible” gun owners have never committed a crime?
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  • seanwonseanwon Posts: 468
    Go Beavers said:
    seanwon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Another “responsible” gun owner.

    https://apnews.com/article/utah-boy-killed-accidental-shooting-4c42f1492f48edfe44d71b6aaba77af7
    What percentage of legal gun owners in the US are ever convicted of a crime involving one of their guns?
    What percentage of illegal guns started out as legal guns? 
    We are discussing the % of legal gun owners who have never committed a crime with their guns.
    1996: 9/29 Randall's Island 2,  10/1 Buffalo                  2000: 8/27 Saratoga Springs
    2003: 4/29 Albany,  5/2 Buffalo,  7/9 MSG 2                   2006: 5/12 Albany,  6/3 East Rutherford 2
    2008: 6/27 Hartford                 2009: 10/27 Philadelphia 1              2010: 5/15 Hartford,   5/21 MSG 2
    2013: 10/15 Worcester 1,  10/25 Hartford                       2014: 10/1 Cincinnati
    2016: 5/2 MSG 2,   8/5 Fenway 1,  11/7 Temple of the Dog MSG
    2018: 9/2 Fenway 1
    2020: 3/30 MSG             2022: 9/11 MSG            2023: 9/10 Noblesville
    2024: 9/3 MSG 1, 9/4 MSG 2 , 9/15 Fenway 1, 9/17 Fenway 2
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,083
    seanwon said:
    Go Beavers said:
    seanwon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Another “responsible” gun owner.

    https://apnews.com/article/utah-boy-killed-accidental-shooting-4c42f1492f48edfe44d71b6aaba77af7
    What percentage of legal gun owners in the US are ever convicted of a crime involving one of their guns?
    What percentage of illegal guns started out as legal guns? 
    We are discussing the % of legal gun owners who have never committed a crime with their guns.
    Okay. And what’s that number and what point does it make? 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,262
    There is no point. How many people use their seatbelt without a law being passed to wear a seatbelt?

    Sometimes society proves that it needs the gov't to prevent it from harming itself. Gun laws are no different than seatbelt laws, helmet laws, safety laws, etc.
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    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,017
    Well, here’s one. A “responsible” gun owner committing a crime. Too bad he won’t stand trial, eh?

    https://www.boston.com/real-estate/real-estate-news/2024/08/27/his-siblings-gathered-sell-home-shooting/?p1=hp_featurestack
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