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  • seanwonseanwon Posts: 482
    seanwon said:
    seanwon said:
    What percentage of legal gun owners in the US are ever convicted of a crime involving one of their guns?
    What percentage of children that kill themselves with their parents unlocked guns would survive if the gun wasn't unlocked?
      We are discussing the % of legal gun owners who have never committed a crime with their guns.
    Why is the number relevant to you and what’s your point being made? 
    People are insinuating there is no such thing as a responsible gun owner, and that all gun owners at some point will break a law with their guns.  Which is simply not true.  Not even remotely close.  Obviously some of you feel differently, but I don't believe in punishing the vast majority for the actions of a tiny minority.  We don't take everyone's cars away because some people drink and drive and kill innocent people.  And we aren't doing that with guns either, I can promise you.  
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    2003: 4/29 Albany,  5/2 Buffalo,  7/9 MSG 2                   2006: 5/12 Albany,  6/3 East Rutherford 2
    2008: 6/27 Hartford                 2009: 10/27 Philadelphia 1              2010: 5/15 Hartford,   5/21 MSG 2
    2013: 10/15 Worcester 1,  10/25 Hartford                       2014: 10/1 Cincinnati
    2016: 5/2 MSG 2,   8/5 Fenway 1,  11/7 Temple of the Dog MSG
    2018: 9/2 Fenway 1
    2020: 3/30 MSG             2022: 9/11 MSG            2023: 9/10 Noblesville
    2024: 9/3 MSG 1, 9/4 MSG 2 , 9/15 Fenway 1, 9/17 Fenway 2
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,677
    seanwon said:
    seanwon said:
    seanwon said:
    What percentage of legal gun owners in the US are ever convicted of a crime involving one of their guns?
    What percentage of children that kill themselves with their parents unlocked guns would survive if the gun wasn't unlocked?
      We are discussing the % of legal gun owners who have never committed a crime with their guns.
    Why is the number relevant to you and what’s your point being made? 
    People are insinuating there is no such thing as a responsible gun owner, and that all gun owners at some point will break a law with their guns.  Which is simply not true.  Not even remotely close.  Obviously some of you feel differently, but I don't believe in punishing the vast majority for the actions of a tiny minority.  We don't take everyone's cars away because some people drink and drive and kill innocent people.  And we aren't doing that with guns either, I can promise you.  
    No one suggested that there aren't responsible gun owners. No one suggested doing away with guns.

    And "punishing" is a ridiculous word to use. Not being able to buy an automatic assault rifle is not punishment. Get over it. 


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  • seanwonseanwon Posts: 482
    There is no point. How many people use their seatbelt without a law being passed to wear a seatbelt?

    Sometimes society proves that it needs the gov't to prevent it from harming itself. Gun laws are no different than seatbelt laws, helmet laws, safety laws, etc.
    There is you just don't get it. ^see above    The government isn't going to do anything in terms of banning guns, short of banning assault rifles/bump stocks, etc. Which is fine.  You guys misunderstand and think gun ownership is a right vs left issue. It isn't.  It's a city person vs. non city person thing.  Some of us left leaning people like to live on the outskirts of cities, rather than in them.  It's nice to be able to stroll through nature or have a camp fire.  And we have guns.  Regardless of political affiliation.
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    2003: 4/29 Albany,  5/2 Buffalo,  7/9 MSG 2                   2006: 5/12 Albany,  6/3 East Rutherford 2
    2008: 6/27 Hartford                 2009: 10/27 Philadelphia 1              2010: 5/15 Hartford,   5/21 MSG 2
    2013: 10/15 Worcester 1,  10/25 Hartford                       2014: 10/1 Cincinnati
    2016: 5/2 MSG 2,   8/5 Fenway 1,  11/7 Temple of the Dog MSG
    2018: 9/2 Fenway 1
    2020: 3/30 MSG             2022: 9/11 MSG            2023: 9/10 Noblesville
    2024: 9/3 MSG 1, 9/4 MSG 2 , 9/15 Fenway 1, 9/17 Fenway 2
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,677
    edited August 28
    seanwon said:
    There is no point. How many people use their seatbelt without a law being passed to wear a seatbelt?

    Sometimes society proves that it needs the gov't to prevent it from harming itself. Gun laws are no different than seatbelt laws, helmet laws, safety laws, etc.
    There is you just don't get it. ^see above    The government isn't going to do anything in terms of banning guns, short of banning assault rifles/bump stocks, etc. Which is fine.  You guys misunderstand and think gun ownership is a right vs left issue. It isn't.  It's a city person vs. non city person thing.  Some of us left leaning people like to live on the outskirts of cities, rather than in them.  It's nice to be able to stroll through nature or have a camp fire.  And we have guns.  Regardless of political affiliation.
    Yeah...I have a gun. I can still stroll through nature and have a camp fire without one. Especially one that is capable of mowing down multiple unarmed civilians.

    edit: I'm not sure we disagree here...confused as to why we are arguing. 
    Post edited by Gern Blansten on
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    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,171
    seanwon said:
    seanwon said:
    seanwon said:
    What percentage of legal gun owners in the US are ever convicted of a crime involving one of their guns?
    What percentage of children that kill themselves with their parents unlocked guns would survive if the gun wasn't unlocked?
      We are discussing the % of legal gun owners who have never committed a crime with their guns.
    Why is the number relevant to you and what’s your point being made? 
    People are insinuating there is no such thing as a responsible gun owner, and that all gun owners at some point will break a law with their guns.  Which is simply not true.  Not even remotely close.  Obviously some of you feel differently, but I don't believe in punishing the vast majority for the actions of a tiny minority.  We don't take everyone's cars away because some people drink and drive and kill innocent people.  And we aren't doing that with guns either, I can promise you.  
    We regulate and monitor driving more so than gun usage. And I’d argue there’s no definition for responsible gun use. It’s defined by the individual, and therefore every individual with a gun thinks they’re responsible. 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,677
    seanwon said:
    seanwon said:
    seanwon said:
    What percentage of legal gun owners in the US are ever convicted of a crime involving one of their guns?
    What percentage of children that kill themselves with their parents unlocked guns would survive if the gun wasn't unlocked?
      We are discussing the % of legal gun owners who have never committed a crime with their guns.
    Why is the number relevant to you and what’s your point being made? 
    People are insinuating there is no such thing as a responsible gun owner, and that all gun owners at some point will break a law with their guns.  Which is simply not true.  Not even remotely close.  Obviously some of you feel differently, but I don't believe in punishing the vast majority for the actions of a tiny minority.  We don't take everyone's cars away because some people drink and drive and kill innocent people.  And we aren't doing that with guns either, I can promise you.  
    We regulate and monitor driving more so than gun usage. And I’d argue there’s no definition for responsible gun use. It’s defined by the individual, and therefore every individual with a gun thinks they’re responsible. 
    yes...just like every motorcyclist that thinks they don't need a helmet, etc.

    It doesn't stop stupid motorcyclists but at least the gov't did its best to protect them.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 14,148
    If the motorcycle rider with no helmet falls off he only kills himself.
    Guns work the other way round 
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  • seanwonseanwon Posts: 482


    People are insinuating there is no such thing as a responsible gun owner, and that all gun owners at some point will break a law with their guns.  Which is simply not true.  Not even remotely close.  Obviously some of you feel differently, but I don't believe in punishing the vast majority for the actions of a tiny minority.  We don't take everyone's cars away because some people drink and drive and kill innocent people.  And we aren't doing that with guns either, I can promise you.  
    No one suggested that there aren't responsible gun owners. No one suggested doing away with guns.

    And "punishing" is a ridiculous word to use. Not being able to buy an automatic assault rifle is not punishment. Get over it. 


    I literally just said I have no problem banning assault rifles and bump stocks.  lol.  And yes, someone has absolutely mentioned banning guns in the past, and have insinuated gun owners cannot be responsible.

    seanwon said:
    There is no point. How many people use their seatbelt without a law being passed to wear a seatbelt?

    Sometimes society proves that it needs the gov't to prevent it from harming itself. Gun laws are no different than seatbelt laws, helmet laws, safety laws, etc.
    There is you just don't get it. ^see above    The government isn't going to do anything in terms of banning guns, short of banning assault rifles/bump stocks, etc. Which is fine.  You guys misunderstand and think gun ownership is a right vs left issue. It isn't.  It's a city person vs. non city person thing.  Some of us left leaning people like to live on the outskirts of cities, rather than in them.  It's nice to be able to stroll through nature or have a camp fire.  And we have guns.  Regardless of political affiliation.
    Yeah...I have a gun. I can still stroll through nature and have a camp fire without one. Especially one that is capable of mowing down multiple unarmed civilians.

    edit: I'm not sure we disagree here...confused as to why we are arguing. 
    That is fine, my nature may be different.  Bear have pulled birdfeeders off the house. My neighbor has free range chickens and domestic turkey, which can draw predators.  And they spend most of their time in my yard because the neighbor doesn't really seem to mow much, and it's easier to eat with a mowed lawn.  And no, I don't always have my gun, only if it's night time and/or I go far away from residences.
    1996: 9/29 Randall's Island 2,  10/1 Buffalo                  2000: 8/27 Saratoga Springs
    2003: 4/29 Albany,  5/2 Buffalo,  7/9 MSG 2                   2006: 5/12 Albany,  6/3 East Rutherford 2
    2008: 6/27 Hartford                 2009: 10/27 Philadelphia 1              2010: 5/15 Hartford,   5/21 MSG 2
    2013: 10/15 Worcester 1,  10/25 Hartford                       2014: 10/1 Cincinnati
    2016: 5/2 MSG 2,   8/5 Fenway 1,  11/7 Temple of the Dog MSG
    2018: 9/2 Fenway 1
    2020: 3/30 MSG             2022: 9/11 MSG            2023: 9/10 Noblesville
    2024: 9/3 MSG 1, 9/4 MSG 2 , 9/15 Fenway 1, 9/17 Fenway 2
  • seanwonseanwon Posts: 482
    seanwon said:

    Why is the number relevant to you and what’s your point being made? 
    People are insinuating there is no such thing as a responsible gun owner, and that all gun owners at some point will break a law with their guns.  Which is simply not true.  Not even remotely close.  Obviously some of you feel differently, but I don't believe in punishing the vast majority for the actions of a tiny minority.  We don't take everyone's cars away because some people drink and drive and kill innocent people.  And we aren't doing that with guns either, I can promise you.  
    We regulate and monitor driving more so than gun usage. And I’d argue there’s no definition for responsible gun use. It’s defined by the individual, and therefore every individual with a gun thinks they’re responsible. 
    Perhaps. Hunting (not for me), target/skeet shooting, home defense, or protecting yourself (or livestock) from a wild animal are all acceptable and indicate responsible gun usage.  Some people may argue against hunting. 
    1996: 9/29 Randall's Island 2,  10/1 Buffalo                  2000: 8/27 Saratoga Springs
    2003: 4/29 Albany,  5/2 Buffalo,  7/9 MSG 2                   2006: 5/12 Albany,  6/3 East Rutherford 2
    2008: 6/27 Hartford                 2009: 10/27 Philadelphia 1              2010: 5/15 Hartford,   5/21 MSG 2
    2013: 10/15 Worcester 1,  10/25 Hartford                       2014: 10/1 Cincinnati
    2016: 5/2 MSG 2,   8/5 Fenway 1,  11/7 Temple of the Dog MSG
    2018: 9/2 Fenway 1
    2020: 3/30 MSG             2022: 9/11 MSG            2023: 9/10 Noblesville
    2024: 9/3 MSG 1, 9/4 MSG 2 , 9/15 Fenway 1, 9/17 Fenway 2
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,171
    seanwon said:
    seanwon said:

    Why is the number relevant to you and what’s your point being made? 
    People are insinuating there is no such thing as a responsible gun owner, and that all gun owners at some point will break a law with their guns.  Which is simply not true.  Not even remotely close.  Obviously some of you feel differently, but I don't believe in punishing the vast majority for the actions of a tiny minority.  We don't take everyone's cars away because some people drink and drive and kill innocent people.  And we aren't doing that with guns either, I can promise you.  
    We regulate and monitor driving more so than gun usage. And I’d argue there’s no definition for responsible gun use. It’s defined by the individual, and therefore every individual with a gun thinks they’re responsible. 
    Perhaps. Hunting (not for me), target/skeet shooting, home defense, or protecting yourself (or livestock) from a wild animal are all acceptable and indicate responsible gun usage.  Some people may argue against hunting. 
    That’s just usage. Someone can be irresponsible when doing all those things. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,397
    Darth Cheney was a “responsible” gun owner until he shot his friend in the face. And how was he held “responsible?” Or accountable, again?
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,171
    Darth Cheney was a “responsible” gun owner until he shot his friend in the face. And how was he held “responsible?” Or accountable, again?
    If my memory still works, I believe the guy he shot apologized. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,397
    And not one of these by a “responsible” gun owner in any way, shape or form, eh? Have I got that right?

    Monday’s shooting is among 381 mass shootings in the United States so far this year, according to the Gun Violence Archive, which, like CNN, defines a mass shooting as one with four or more victims, not including the shooter. There have been an average of 1.5 mass shootings per day in the US in 2024.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/02/us/4-people-killed-on-train-near-chicago/index.html
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  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 14,148
    Anyone not embarrassed by it is the problem 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,397
    A whole lot of “responsibility” going on.

    There were 577 calls reporting a roadway crime involving a gun – including the brandishing of a firearm – between February 2023 and February 2024, KING5 reported, citing data from the Washington State Patrol. It’s a 70% increase from the number of incidents reported between March 2019 and March 2020, the outlet said.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/03/us/king-county-washington-interstate-shooting/index.html
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,397
    Too bad these “responsible” gun owners didn’t survive, or the “responsible” gun owner(s) found, so they could be held “responsible,” eh?

    https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2024/09/03/police-say-11-year-old-used-2-guns-to-kill-former-louisiana-mayor-and-his-daughter/
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,677
    edited September 4
    Another shooting in GA...

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/04/us/winder-ga-shooting-apalachee-high-school/index.html

    At least two dead...several injured

    Update: four dead...suspect caught alive
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  • JojoRiceJojoRice Kennesaw, GA Posts: 4,387
    I live about an hour from that school.  This one hits close to home.  As a teacher myself, I hope to never experience something like this.  
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,677
    edited September 4
    JojoRice said:
    I live about an hour from that school.  This one hits close to home.  As a teacher myself, I hope to never experience something like this.  
    crazy...how awful

    We had a shooting at our local middle school a few years back. My kids were both at the high school at that time but the first reports of a school shooting were horrifying as we didn't know which school and all schools went on lockdown so the students really didn't know either.

    The shooter lived in my neighborhood and the kid across the street (still there) was in the classroom. He immediately became a home schooler understandably. 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Noblesville_West_Middle_School_shooting
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  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 14,148
    How awful 
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  • JojoRiceJojoRice Kennesaw, GA Posts: 4,387
    JojoRice said:
    I live about an hour from that school.  This one hits close to home.  As a teacher myself, I hope to never experience something like this.  
    crazy...how awful

    We had a shooting at our local middle school a few years back. My kids were both at the high school at that time but the first reports of a school shooting were horrifying as we didn't know which school and all schools went on lockdown so the students really didn't know either.

    The shooter lived in my neighborhood and the kid across the street (still there) was in the classroom. He immediately became a home schooler understandably. 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Noblesville_West_Middle_School_shooting
    Oh wow!  That's horrible. Certainly understand not going back.  One of my former colleagues (who's now retired) was a teacher at Columbine when it happened.  She told me a little bit of her story.  Wouldn't wish any of these shootings on my worst enemy!

    Also, CNN is now reporting that the shooter is a 14 year old. 
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,965
    JojoRice said:
    JojoRice said:
    I live about an hour from that school.  This one hits close to home.  As a teacher myself, I hope to never experience something like this.  
    crazy...how awful

    We had a shooting at our local middle school a few years back. My kids were both at the high school at that time but the first reports of a school shooting were horrifying as we didn't know which school and all schools went on lockdown so the students really didn't know either.

    The shooter lived in my neighborhood and the kid across the street (still there) was in the classroom. He immediately became a home schooler understandably. 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Noblesville_West_Middle_School_shooting
    Oh wow!  That's horrible. Certainly understand not going back.  One of my former colleagues (who's now retired) was a teacher at Columbine when it happened.  She told me a little bit of her story.  Wouldn't wish any of these shootings on my worst enemy!

    Also, CNN is now reporting that the shooter is a 14 year old. 
    Uhmm wonder how that 14 year old got the weapon? This is beyond ridiculous to the point I just shrug it off I guess maybe because I don’t have kids in school anymore 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,397
    JojoRice said:
    JojoRice said:
    I live about an hour from that school.  This one hits close to home.  As a teacher myself, I hope to never experience something like this.  
    crazy...how awful

    We had a shooting at our local middle school a few years back. My kids were both at the high school at that time but the first reports of a school shooting were horrifying as we didn't know which school and all schools went on lockdown so the students really didn't know either.

    The shooter lived in my neighborhood and the kid across the street (still there) was in the classroom. He immediately became a home schooler understandably. 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Noblesville_West_Middle_School_shooting
    Oh wow!  That's horrible. Certainly understand not going back.  One of my former colleagues (who's now retired) was a teacher at Columbine when it happened.  She told me a little bit of her story.  Wouldn't wish any of these shootings on my worst enemy!

    Also, CNN is now reporting that the shooter is a 14 year old. 
    Uhmm wonder how that 14 year old got the weapon? This is beyond ridiculous to the point I just shrug it off I guess maybe because I don’t have kids in school anymore 
    I wonder if the “responsible” gun owner(s) will be held “responsible?” Yea, right.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,321
    The biggest gun in the metaphorical one we are pointing at our own collective heads by not focusing on the health of the planet.  Sad.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,677
    JojoRice said:
    JojoRice said:
    I live about an hour from that school.  This one hits close to home.  As a teacher myself, I hope to never experience something like this.  
    crazy...how awful

    We had a shooting at our local middle school a few years back. My kids were both at the high school at that time but the first reports of a school shooting were horrifying as we didn't know which school and all schools went on lockdown so the students really didn't know either.

    The shooter lived in my neighborhood and the kid across the street (still there) was in the classroom. He immediately became a home schooler understandably. 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Noblesville_West_Middle_School_shooting
    Oh wow!  That's horrible. Certainly understand not going back.  One of my former colleagues (who's now retired) was a teacher at Columbine when it happened.  She told me a little bit of her story.  Wouldn't wish any of these shootings on my worst enemy!

    Also, CNN is now reporting that the shooter is a 14 year old. 
    Uhmm wonder how that 14 year old got the weapon? This is beyond ridiculous to the point I just shrug it off I guess maybe because I don’t have kids in school anymore 
    My school shooter was 13 so....we win
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,761
    brianlux said:
    The biggest gun in the metaphorical one we are pointing at our own collective heads by not focusing on the health of the planet.  Sad.


    Or, to quote the legend here,

    guns guns guns guns 
    guns guns guns guns
    guns guns guns guns
    guns guns guns guns
    guns guns guns guns
    guns guns guns guns
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,397
    JojoRice said:
    JojoRice said:
    I live about an hour from that school.  This one hits close to home.  As a teacher myself, I hope to never experience something like this.  
    crazy...how awful

    We had a shooting at our local middle school a few years back. My kids were both at the high school at that time but the first reports of a school shooting were horrifying as we didn't know which school and all schools went on lockdown so the students really didn't know either.

    The shooter lived in my neighborhood and the kid across the street (still there) was in the classroom. He immediately became a home schooler understandably. 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Noblesville_West_Middle_School_shooting
    Oh wow!  That's horrible. Certainly understand not going back.  One of my former colleagues (who's now retired) was a teacher at Columbine when it happened.  She told me a little bit of her story.  Wouldn't wish any of these shootings on my worst enemy!

    Also, CNN is now reporting that the shooter is a 14 year old. 
    Uhmm wonder how that 14 year old got the weapon? This is beyond ridiculous to the point I just shrug it off I guess maybe because I don’t have kids in school anymore 
    My school shooter was 13 so....we win
    Were any “responsible” gun owners held “responsible” for a 13 year old getting access to the gun? Or did they just 3D print or buy it from WallyMart? Maybe it fell out of a tree? The gun tree.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,321
    brianlux said:
    The biggest gun in the metaphorical one we are pointing at our own collective heads by not focusing on the health of the planet.  Sad.


    Or, to quote the legend here,

    guns guns guns guns 
    guns guns guns guns
    guns guns guns guns
    guns guns guns guns
    guns guns guns guns
    guns guns guns guns
    guns guns guns guns
    guns guns guns guns
    guns guns guns guns
    guns guns guns guns

    The great American obsession. 

    Well, anyway, I'm off topic of a thread I started, and that is my bad.  It's just that this whole issue with Captain Watson trying to stop the Japanese with their illegal whaling, and that issue being overlooked has me pretty much in a major bummer lately.  It's a very important issue that gets shoved to the back pages.  And that's just crazy making.

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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,677
    JojoRice said:
    JojoRice said:
    I live about an hour from that school.  This one hits close to home.  As a teacher myself, I hope to never experience something like this.  
    crazy...how awful

    We had a shooting at our local middle school a few years back. My kids were both at the high school at that time but the first reports of a school shooting were horrifying as we didn't know which school and all schools went on lockdown so the students really didn't know either.

    The shooter lived in my neighborhood and the kid across the street (still there) was in the classroom. He immediately became a home schooler understandably. 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Noblesville_West_Middle_School_shooting
    Oh wow!  That's horrible. Certainly understand not going back.  One of my former colleagues (who's now retired) was a teacher at Columbine when it happened.  She told me a little bit of her story.  Wouldn't wish any of these shootings on my worst enemy!

    Also, CNN is now reporting that the shooter is a 14 year old. 
    Uhmm wonder how that 14 year old got the weapon? This is beyond ridiculous to the point I just shrug it off I guess maybe because I don’t have kids in school anymore 
    My school shooter was 13 so....we win
    Were any “responsible” gun owners held “responsible” for a 13 year old getting access to the gun? Or did they just 3D print or buy it from WallyMart? Maybe it fell out of a tree? The gun tree.
    Lawsuit pending... 
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
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