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  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,214
    mookeywrench said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    seanclax said:
    sdharv1919 said:
    Philip_Ireland said:
    drfox said:
    Philip_Ireland said:
    beano.79 said:
    drfox said:
    It’s not the ticket prices it’s the late announcement when lots of people had already booked to see other concerts 
    All the noise on social media over the last few months points to it being the ticket prices 
    Exactly- of course it’s the price. Second they are touring a bombing album 
    Is it bombing? Reached #2 here with minimal promotion. Doing no different to other similar bands from the same era.
    Reached number 2 briefly then tumbled. It lasted about a week on the Billboard charts- there are a multitude of 50 year old albums that are selling better than it. See article below and bear in mind that it’s a month old. It’s definitely not selling as expected. 

    Original post updated for charts for week ending June 15, 2024.

    "Wreckage" climbs to No. 9 at alternative radio, No. 8 at mainstream rock and No. 6 at Triple-A. It also moves up from No. 36 to No. 28 on the Canada Rock chart.

    Dark Matter hangs on in the top 50 of Top Current Album Sales for a seventh week, selling between 1,700 and 1,800 copies.
    Does anyone here really give two fucks about whether pearl Jam are a chart success?
    Yeah I don't know anyone who gives a fuck about charts.
    So many moments in my life where i've been seconds away from buying concert tickets, only to be disuaded by a Forbes article.
    LOL
  • False_Belief
    False_Belief Cardiff Posts: 763
    Tjm007 said:
    False_Belief said:
    Think it’s a pretty safe bet that  they’ll be offloading tix on Tickets For Good by the end of this week in order to help fill the stadium.   I work for the NHS and managed to see Blur at Wembley for £6 (essentially an admin fee for a free ticket) and Tool for £3 recently using this site.   Definitely worth keeping an eye on it if you work for the NHS or in the charity sector….

    https://www.ticketsforgood.org/
    Suppose it helps the stadium if you buy £10 pints .
    Yep - plus the band might shift a few more t-shirts   

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  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,214
    Well, after all the negativity about this show, I cant wait for it. It'll be a grand day out, and I am sure the band will be incredible as ever

    Taking my lad to his first PJ show at 15, and hes also pretty keen on the Verve. Hopefully the sun is out for us.....

    Yes this could have gone better, but theres absolutely no point in repeating that to tedium. Bring on the show......
  • silvo
    silvo Posts: 294
    pdalowsky said:
    Well, after all the negativity about this show, I cant wait for it. It'll be a grand day out, and I am sure the band will be incredible as ever

    Taking my lad to his first PJ show at 15, and hes also pretty keen on the Verve. Hopefully the sun is out for us.....

    Yes this could have gone better, but theres absolutely no point in repeating that to tedium. Bring on the show......
    100% agree, i'm not really bothered whether it sells out or not, just looking forward to seeing them. Ticket prices were high but i was planning on seeing Ashcroft this summer at £50-60 so this gives me both for £160 which i'm happy with.

    Hopefully the weather holds and we all have a great day!
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    edited June 2024
    Weston1283 said:
    I do find it disappointing that TSURT deleted the IG comments about tickets being half sold out and too expensive…


    :) 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Weston1283
    Weston1283 Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 5,015
    The UnderFaceValue twitter is actually very interesting

    So many acts use the “Fan to Fan Exchange”
    now, but it appears it was just another tool to benefit Ticketmaster in the end by being able to manipulate the market and undercut the “Fan” tickets
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  • just_one
    just_one Lisbon Posts: 2,288
    i could really care less if its sold out or not.

    golden circle seems to be sold out (only premium available) most of the stadium is sold the only big place to sold is the upper seats. the sides are well filled , hope the expression is right,

    as i said in another threat after viena in 2022 i could care less if its sold out or not , i just want them to play anything , hell play last kiss as far as im concerned
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    just_one said:
    i could really care less if its sold out or not.

    golden circle seems to be sold out (only premium available) most of the stadium is sold the only big place to sold is the upper seats. the sides are well filled , hope the expression is right,

    as i said in another threat after viena in 2022 i could care less if its sold out or not , i just want them to play anything , hell play last kiss as far as im concerned
    I have never heard Last Kiss live :(
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • just_one
    just_one Lisbon Posts: 2,288
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    just_one said:
    i could really care less if its sold out or not.

    golden circle seems to be sold out (only premium available) most of the stadium is sold the only big place to sold is the upper seats. the sides are well filled , hope the expression is right,

    as i said in another threat after viena in 2022 i could care less if its sold out or not , i just want them to play anything , hell play last kiss as far as im concerned
    I have never heard Last Kiss live :(
    with the right crowd (that actually sings the songs back to the band) is pretty cool actually
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,895
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    just_one said:
    i could really care less if its sold out or not.

    golden circle seems to be sold out (only premium available) most of the stadium is sold the only big place to sold is the upper seats. the sides are well filled , hope the expression is right,

    as i said in another threat after viena in 2022 i could care less if its sold out or not , i just want them to play anything , hell play last kiss as far as im concerned
    I have never heard Last Kiss live :(
    You missed nothing 


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  • just_one
    just_one Lisbon Posts: 2,288
    lastexitlondon said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    just_one said:
    i could really care less if its sold out or not.

    golden circle seems to be sold out (only premium available) most of the stadium is sold the only big place to sold is the upper seats. the sides are well filled , hope the expression is right,

    as i said in another threat after viena in 2022 i could care less if its sold out or not , i just want them to play anything , hell play last kiss as far as im concerned
    I have never heard Last Kiss live :(
    You missed nothing 
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  • Zen23
    Zen23 Posts: 492
    edited June 2024
    drfox said:
    Tottenham stadium is just too big to sell out given the location in Outer London and late announcement. It’s got a 63,000 capacity for concerts so almost 50% bigger than places in the US like Wrigley (42,000)
    vedpunk said:
    So wouldn’t selling 50% of Tottenham  (31.5k) still be considered a success?
    The capacity of 63,000 refers to soccer matches. A concert with a classic stage set-up at the North Stand usually has a capacity of 40,000 to 43,000, similar to Red Hot Chili Peppers or Beyoncé.

    There are currently still around 8,500 seated tickets for sale. This does not include the unknown amount of seated tickets being held back by Ticketmaster, nor the unknown amount of standing tickets still available in the gigantic inner area of the stadium.

    If the standing tickets sold as poorly as the seated tickets, then it is not unlikely that - caution, pure speculation - around 10,000 to 12,000 tickets were not sold. A cautious and positive estimate.

    I have no idea about management. No idea about concert organization or ticket sales strategies. But for me, that's 10,000 to 12,000 fewer fans who not only didn't buy a ticket but also didn't buy any merchandise. But we will probably never know how the internal calculations were made.
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  • aisleseats
    aisleseats Posts: 1,628
    Weston1283 said:
    The UnderFaceValue twitter is actually very interesting

    So many acts use the “Fan to Fan Exchange”
    now, but it appears it was just another tool to benefit Ticketmaster in the end by being able to manipulate the market and undercut the “Fan” tickets
    I deleted my twitter account when Musk took over. But I went to glance at that account out of curiosity.
    Had to chuckle that this was one of the first posts I saw:


    Even more humorous that all the posts listed before it were seat maps highlighting shows that had sold almost no tickets at all, like Beyonce, J-Lo, Kid Rock, and Travis Scott, yet the artists they urge to retire are the ones who sold all their tickets.
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,773
    Whether or not a show is sold out has no bearing on my enjoyment of it, but the way they overestimated the European market and how it will impact future tours (both Pearl Jam & others) is worthy of discussion. 

    I know I’m significantly less enthusiastic about getting tickets right away. I still don’t have tickets for one of my hometown shows… I’m going to wait until the last minute & see what deals I can get, if any. (I think my chances are good). 

  • sdh8252
    sdh8252 Birmingham, UK Posts: 16
    Fans of huge rock band left fuming as tickets for stadium show are slashed by 50% after poor sales | The Sun
  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,214
    Merkin Baller said:
    Whether or not a show is sold out has no bearing on my enjoyment of it, but the way they overestimated the European market and how it will impact future tours (both Pearl Jam & others) is worthy of discussion. 

    I know I’m significantly less enthusiastic about getting tickets right away. I still don’t have tickets for one of my hometown shows… I’m going to wait until the last minute & see what deals I can get, if any. (I think my chances are good). 

    Yes this is the lingering concern into the future.......I hope it doesnt keep the band away from these shows in the years to come 
  • ilockyer
    ilockyer Posts: 2,272
    pdalowsky said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    Whether or not a show is sold out has no bearing on my enjoyment of it, but the way they overestimated the European market and how it will impact future tours (both Pearl Jam & others) is worthy of discussion. 

    I know I’m significantly less enthusiastic about getting tickets right away. I still don’t have tickets for one of my hometown shows… I’m going to wait until the last minute & see what deals I can get, if any. (I think my chances are good). 

    Yes this is the lingering concern into the future.......I hope it doesnt keep the band away from these shows in the years to come 
    If the promoter has made their guarantee then nothing will change. If they've had to go back and renegotiate the fees then maybe? .
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  • tino_11
    tino_11 Posts: 2,184
    ilockyer said:
    pdalowsky said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    Whether or not a show is sold out has no bearing on my enjoyment of it, but the way they overestimated the European market and how it will impact future tours (both Pearl Jam & others) is worthy of discussion. 

    I know I’m significantly less enthusiastic about getting tickets right away. I still don’t have tickets for one of my hometown shows… I’m going to wait until the last minute & see what deals I can get, if any. (I think my chances are good). 

    Yes this is the lingering concern into the future.......I hope it doesnt keep the band away from these shows in the years to come 
    If the promoter has made their guarantee then nothing will change. If they've had to go back and renegotiate the fees then maybe? .
    If the promoter got burned, PJ will not command the same fees in the future over here. 

    But add the usual Netherlands, Italy etc shows, festival appearances, announce the tour earlier, and charge in line with Foos/KoL etc. and I’m sure there’s money still to be made! 
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  • evenflow82
    evenflow82 Posts: 3,892
    No one likes last kiss except a select few of the girlfriends/wives who get brought to the show by their boyfriends/husbands. 

    Not sure who this song is supposed to appeal to or why it is still played. 
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  • devonfz
    devonfz Posts: 181
    Very interesting thread both sides make great points couple things on my end the Black Keys just canceled their whole tour and fire their management over the North American tour, and it looks like they were away trying to overcharge for their shows for what people are willing to pay and then the other thing is, they’re only doing nine shows in Europe over 23 days that doesn’t even include travel. Their overhead must be pretty good and then as far as what the band is paid I’m not sure 100% but don’t they have a set fee and the promoter is responsible for the rest? I know I wonder if the shorter settlers have anything to do with it

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