European Tour Sales = Desaster

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  • JimFletcherPearlJam
    JimFletcherPearlJam Posts: 381
    Well, there's still quite a bit of time for them to sell additional tickets. I mean, it's only mid-April. 
  • JimFletcherPearlJam
    JimFletcherPearlJam Posts: 381
    One thing I don't understand is why they tend to visit the same cities too often. That certainly contributes to the situation, regardless of ticket costs. I mean, instead of going to Berlin over and over and over and over, they should play in Munich instead. Furthermore, while they're on the Emerald Isle, they should play in Belfast too (not just Dublin). Those are just a couple examples of what I mean. More location variability would help. 
  • JimFletcherPearlJam
    JimFletcherPearlJam Posts: 381
    Since the band is sooooo damn popular in Portugal, maybe they should also play in Lisbon and Porto. That's my suggestion anyway. 
  • STATEOFLOVE59
    STATEOFLOVE59 Posts: 20
    Benz said:
    I think it is complete nonsense that the ticket prices have to be that high to cover their costs.
    I have just seen Dave Matthews Band in Berlin for 80€ and have tickets for Dua Lipa in Berlin for 90€ GA.
    I cannot believe that those acts will not have their costs covered.
    Their tour are not a 6 gigs tour....
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,896
    Through choice 


    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
  • JackD.
    JackD. Posts: 523
    edited April 2024
    STATEOFLOVE59 said:
    Benz said:
    I think it is complete nonsense that the ticket prices have to be that high to cover their costs.
    I have just seen Dave Matthews Band in Berlin for 80€ and have tickets for Dua Lipa in Berlin for 90€ GA.
    I cannot believe that those acts will not have their costs covered.
    Their tour are not a 6 gigs tour....
    Dua Lipa’s tour actually is. Und DMB plays smaller venues. I understand anyone who tries to justify what our favorite band does but I guess we all have to cave in and accept that they are charging high prices because they can and want to. They tour would be feasible with 50€ less per ticket for sure.
  • marumaruko
    marumaruko Posts: 410
    edited April 2024
    JimFletcherPearlJam said:
    One thing I don't understand is why they tend to visit the same cities too often. That certainly contributes to the situation, regardless of ticket costs. I mean, instead of going to Berlin over and over and over and over, they should play in Munich instead. Furthermore, while they're on the Emerald Isle, they should play in Belfast too (not just Dublin). Those are just a couple examples of what I mean. More location variability would help. 
     I think they will in the next years. Berlin will be getting two shows this year, but most likely none in the next 2 years, or however long they tour with this album. 
    As for some countries however, I think they are too small and travel is too easy to really split up and try a venue they don't know well. In Portugal for example, Lisbon is a great hub for all kinds of events and Porto e.g. would be just 3hours by bus. 

    Germany, being a bit bigger, could get Hamburg and Munich. But for Munich, if they come in summer (as they do) the only proper size related option they have is the old olympic stadium which they most likely couldn't fill, Adele's Messe open air set up which they couldn't fill and a situation like Königsplatz where you have only standing. 
    However, I'd love to see them in Olympiahalle in spring or fall (it's terrible in summer) or the new SAP Garden. They already play hockey and basketball arenas in the US and Canada, why not here. Huge bonus for not being as large as Lanxess Arena in Cologne. 

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  • Zen23
    Zen23 Posts: 492
    It might even be enough to charge 120 euros instead of 170 euros, at least from level 2 / middle tier upwards of the respective venue. Those who absolutely want to sit in the lower tier simply have to pay 170 euros. And for those who find it too expensive, the price of 120 euros is comparable to the price charged in previous years. They would not have caused nearly as much trouble and would have sold far more than they have now. But even after two months of advance sales, they are not thinking of changing this.

    Instead, Ticketmaster has decided to take individual rows, individual sections and, since yesterday, even entire tiers off sale in order to continue to sell these 170 euro tickets in the upper tiers, which nobody wanted to buy for that price before.
  • Zen23
    Zen23 Posts: 492
    marumaruko said:
    JimFletcherPearlJam said:
    One thing I don't understand is why they tend to visit the same cities too often. That certainly contributes to the situation, regardless of ticket costs. I mean, instead of going to Berlin over and over and over and over, they should play in Munich instead. Furthermore, while they're on the Emerald Isle, they should play in Belfast too (not just Dublin). Those are just a couple examples of what I mean. More location variability would help. 
     I think they will in the next years. Berlin will be getting two shows this year, but most likely none in the next 2 years, or however long they tour with this album. 
    As for some countries however, I think they are too small and travel is too easy to really split up and try a venue they don't know well. In Portugal for example, Lisbon is a great hub for all kinds of events and Porto e.g. would be just 3hours by bus. 

    Germany, being a bit bigger, could get Hamburg and Munich. But if they come in summer (as they do) the only proper size related option they have is the old olympic stadium which they most likely couldn't fill, Adele's Messe open air set up which they couldn't fill and a situation like Königsplatz where you have only standing. 
    However, I'd love to see them in Olympiahalle in spring or fall (it's terrible in summer) or the new SAP Garden. They already play hockey and basketball arenas in the US and Canada, why not here. Huge bonus for not being as large as Lanxess Arena in Cologne. 

    I think all the ideas are great. Simply a nice change. But the way this presale has gone so far and will probably go on for some time, I can well imagine - unfortunately - that they won't be back in two years' time. And that there will - unfortunately - be a longer break for Europe.
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    If in fact they can not make a profit unless ticket sales in Europe are at the price they are the next tour over there is going to be drastically different you would think. 


    Not having Italy or Amsterdam as places they were going is a real head scratcher. I have no clue what the lower ticket prices were in 2014 but Italy had one of if not the largest non festival show ever for this band.


    Also if the cost have risen so much why would you add production to your show in a way that would make it more expensive to perform? And in doing so not allowing behind the stage seating at a discounted price to allow the total average standard price for most fans to be lower?
  • tino_11
    tino_11 Posts: 2,184
    If Ed's comments reflect reality then Pearl Jam won't be touring Europe again any time soon. If rising costs can only be met through charging £150+ for a ticket then clearly the demand isn't there to make it work. 

    However, I do think they'll be back and prices will be more in line with bands of a similar stature.  

    On a side note, if there was a real desire to stop touts, technology is available to largely eradicate the secondary market. It feels convenient to say secondary market prices are the reason for dynamic pricing. I think we all know the reason behind the handling of ticket prices, let's just be open and honest. 
    'F*** the pessimists. F*** 'em.' Eddie Vedder
  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,214
    I remember waiting 6 whole years between 2000 and 2006 for the band to return to the UK.....we are at a stage in their careers that we can't afford that time period again. I wish they'd take my £150 every year to be honest. But thats just me. 
  • just_one
    just_one Lisbon Posts: 2,288
    pdalowsky said:
    I remember waiting 6 whole years between 2000 and 2006 for the band to return to the UK.....we are at a stage in their careers that we can't afford that time period again. I wish they'd take my £150 every year to be honest. But thats just me. 
    i have the same feeling. they wont be around for much more , yes the tickets are expensive but if i can afford it i will go.
  • BlueLedbetter
    BlueLedbetter Posts: 1,377
    pdalowsky said:
    I remember waiting 6 whole years between 2000 and 2006 for the band to return to the UK.....we are at a stage in their careers that we can't afford that time period again. I wish they'd take my £150 every year to be honest. But thats just me. 
    It's not just you
  • tino_11
    tino_11 Posts: 2,184
    Me too, I have bought tickets to four shows this year. But there's been a definite change in approach and I've have more respect if Ed just owned it rather than create excuses that aren't likely to hold up to much scrutiny. 

    I promised myself not to get into the ticket price debate again and just look forward to the shows, but here I am again, haha! 
    'F*** the pessimists. F*** 'em.' Eddie Vedder
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,896
    Well I'm the other end of the rope. It's unaffordable. But again I'm ok with it. I just think it's a bit rich. And honestly it's left a bad taste with me even if I don't get to go I still feel like it's not a nice feeling to pay 170 to go to a stadium 


    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
  • BlueLedbetter
    BlueLedbetter Posts: 1,377
    lastexitlondon said:
    Well I'm the other end of the rope. It's unaffordable. But again I'm ok with it. I just think it's a bit rich. And honestly it's left a bad taste with me even if I don't get to go I still feel like it's not a nice feeling to pay 170 to go to a stadium 
    Yes sorry I didn't mean I think the prices are OK just that I will pay it as we don't know how many tours are left 
  • drfox
    drfox Posts: 1,481
    tino_11 said:
    If Ed's comments reflect reality then Pearl Jam won't be touring Europe again any time soon. If rising costs can only be met through charging £150+ for a ticket then clearly the demand isn't there to make it work. 

    However, I do think they'll be back and prices will be more in line with bands of a similar stature.  

    On a side note, if there was a real desire to stop touts, technology is available to largely eradicate the secondary market. It feels convenient to say secondary market prices are the reason for dynamic pricing. I think we all know the reason behind the handling of ticket prices, let's just be open and honest. 
    Everyone is still going on about prices but as per my previous comments I’m absolutely certain the main issue was the late announcement and people already having tickets for other shows. It’s why Kings of Leon hasn’t sold out either. 

    Hopefully the lesson learned by the band’s promoter is to announce a June//July tour in October/November in the future or (would love this to happen but doubtful) tour U.K./Europe at a less busy time of the year
  • smile6680
    smile6680 Posts: 437
    lastexitlondon said:
    Agreed a lame answer that doesn't stack up
    He would have looked better by not doing the interview. There were some obvious follow up questions that could have been asked. 
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,896
    Oh well I'm sure the shows will be what everyone hopes


    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -

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