Ticket prices. This is not for you (the fans).

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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,687
    maximumlawman said:
    pjl44 said:
    maximumlawman said:
    For those of you who read German:  in today’s Sueddeutsche Zeitung a thoroughly written article about ticket pricing  (that also quotes this forum) comes to the conclusion that we have to say goodbye to the distant ideal that popular music remains a good from which no one should be excluded. 
    This ideal is alive and well. There are scores of bands playing these same cities at a fraction of the cost. You don't have some sort of right to see the most popular bands in the world at arenas and stadiums and name your price.
    The ideal may be alive and well - but the Band that wrote Green Disease does little to convince us, that they still want to be part of this idealistic dream and have not joined the Ayn-Rand-Fanclub instead. 
    It is not greed but you have, in a roundabout way, acknowledged that (especially with technology being what it is) trying to avoid market forces is pissing in the wind
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,072
    Of course it's greed


    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
  • bootleg
    bootleg Posts: 1,210
    Baltimore show just had 2 new rows of PJ premium pop up.  Yesterday that show was down to 11 total tickets available.  Now there’s a full 2 extra rows of premiums.  Prime example of TM holding back tickets and trying to drive artificial scarcity.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,687
    lastexitlondon said:
    Of course it's greed
    Greed is a consumer low balling an artist and getting indignant about it. Jury's out whether they overplayed their hand in Europe but certainly not in the US.
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,072
    Well they definitely did in Europe so that's what I'm commenting on. USA is a different animal to here.


    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,065
    bootlegger10 said:
    Flights to California:  $600 x 2 = $1,200
    3 nights hotel:  $250 x 3 = $750
    Other transit:  $150
    Total Price of Trip before Pearl Jam =  $2,100

    Pearl Jam increases prices $50 on their tickets.  F you Pearl Jam, I can't afford that!
    This is the funny thing though, many of us have spent thousands on travel to see a show. The $50 increase in tickets isn't really that big of a deal. I'd be buying tickets if they played somewhere where I didn't have to make a 2-3 day trip out of it. The limited shows that creates the need to travel is what is exxpensive, not so much the tickets. Assuming you got them through 10c anyway. 
  • maximumlawman
    maximumlawman Regensburg, Germany Posts: 229
    pjl44 said:
    maximumlawman said:
    pjl44 said:
    maximumlawman said:
    For those of you who read German:  in today’s Sueddeutsche Zeitung a thoroughly written article about ticket pricing  (that also quotes this forum) comes to the conclusion that we have to say goodbye to the distant ideal that popular music remains a good from which no one should be excluded. 
    This ideal is alive and well. There are scores of bands playing these same cities at a fraction of the cost. You don't have some sort of right to see the most popular bands in the world at arenas and stadiums and name your price.
    The ideal may be alive and well - but the Band that wrote Green Disease does little to convince us, that they still want to be part of this idealistic dream and have not joined the Ayn-Rand-Fanclub instead. 
    It is not greed but you have, in a roundabout way, acknowledged that (especially with technology being what it is) trying to avoid market forces is pissing in the wind
    You are right: the band that released „Green Disease“ also wrote „Force of Market“ and just announced an album called „Dark Money“. 
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,687
    maximumlawman said:
    pjl44 said:
    maximumlawman said:
    pjl44 said:
    maximumlawman said:
    For those of you who read German:  in today’s Sueddeutsche Zeitung a thoroughly written article about ticket pricing  (that also quotes this forum) comes to the conclusion that we have to say goodbye to the distant ideal that popular music remains a good from which no one should be excluded. 
    This ideal is alive and well. There are scores of bands playing these same cities at a fraction of the cost. You don't have some sort of right to see the most popular bands in the world at arenas and stadiums and name your price.
    The ideal may be alive and well - but the Band that wrote Green Disease does little to convince us, that they still want to be part of this idealistic dream and have not joined the Ayn-Rand-Fanclub instead. 
    It is not greed but you have, in a roundabout way, acknowledged that (especially with technology being what it is) trying to avoid market forces is pissing in the wind
    You are right: the band that released „Green Disease“ also wrote „Force of Market“ and just announced an album called „Dark Money“. 
    The lesson here is around the ways you view your relationship to an artist
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,687
    And maybe for the artist and the risks of moralizing. Lots of wiggle room for the Tools and KISSes of the world who make very clear what the relationship is and fans are just fine with that.
  • THEBIBLEISTEN
    THEBIBLEISTEN Posts: 2,024
    Just curious, anyone in this thread complaining about tix prices, you guys ever download music for free? 
  • MD190661
    MD190661 Posts: 394
    bootlegger10 said:
    Flights to California:  $600 x 2 = $1,200
    3 nights hotel:  $250 x 3 = $750
    Other transit:  $150
    Total Price of Trip before Pearl Jam =  $2,100

    Pearl Jam increases prices $50 on their tickets.  F you Pearl Jam, I can't afford that!
    Except a lot of people don't travel for shows. I'd never pay all that to see PJ, but am happy when they come to me if I get good seats at a price I'm willing to pay. 
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  • kmcmanus
    kmcmanus Posts: 903
    MD190661 said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    Flights to California:  $600 x 2 = $1,200
    3 nights hotel:  $250 x 3 = $750
    Other transit:  $150
    Total Price of Trip before Pearl Jam =  $2,100

    Pearl Jam increases prices $50 on their tickets.  F you Pearl Jam, I can't afford that!
    Except a lot of people don't travel for shows. I'd never pay all that to see PJ, but am happy when they come to me if I get good seats at a price I'm willing to pay. 
    Must be nice. I haven’t been able to see them without traveling in over a decade. And I’m not in the minority on this. They barely play anywhere anymore. Which is the biggest factor driving all of this round of complaints as it directly impacts the prices, the lottery, the onsale, all of it. There are not enough shows to meet demand and unless there is these problems will not get better.
    oh and spoiler, they aren’t going to play more to fix it.
  • maximumlawman
    maximumlawman Regensburg, Germany Posts: 229
    pjl44 said:
    And maybe for the artist and the risks of moralizing. Lots of wiggle room for the Tools and KISSes of the world who make very clear what the relationship is and fans are just fine with that.
     This band and their oeuvre has never had anything to do with morals, it's always been about the high song of profit maximization: Hence their choice of covers: „(Keep On) Cashin‘ In The Free World“,  „Corporate Son“, „(What‘s So Funny About) Greed, Peace And Understanding“. 
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 13,081
    It's really got to suck for the guys in the band to be held to standards they set for themselves 25-30 years ago. I sure as heck don't want people in my life to hold me to the same standards or beliefs I had when I was 20-25 years old. Maybe stop holding them to those standards of yesteryear  or put them on a pedestal that they are above what other bands do or charge.  No system they implement is going to be perfect, but the more 10C seats and the availability of every show is still pretty damn good.  The premium prices is a really easy decision for most people. Either you are ok with paying it or not.  It shouldn't be a two week bitch fest about the cost in my opinion because the old days aren't coming back.
  • Kwieneke
    Kwieneke Indiana Posts: 2,161
    pjhawks said:
    It's really got to suck for the guys in the band to be held to standards they set for themselves 25-30 years ago. I sure as heck don't want people in my life to hold me to the same standards or beliefs I had when I was 20-25 years old. Maybe stop holding them to those standards of yesteryear  or put them on a pedestal that they are above what other bands do or charge.  No system they implement is going to be perfect, but the more 10C seats and the availability of every show is still pretty damn good.  The premium prices is a really easy decision for most people. Either you are ok with paying it or not.  It shouldn't be a two week bitch fest about the cost in my opinion because the old days aren't coming back.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,619
    The Cobain stuff doesn't help, either. He is deified and frozen in time. Pearl Jam meanwhile has aged, matured, learned, etc. The world is a much more complicated than many of us thought when we were young. 
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  • JeBurkhardt
    JeBurkhardt Posts: 5,378
    edited March 2024
    If you check out a typical concert (or sporting event) seating chart 2 hours after the sale starts, practically the entire stadium is devoid of unsold seats, and is a sea of tickets that have been put back up for resale. Those resale prices are very often 2 or 3 times the original cost. That is a lot of what is driving this. Consumers are using these events as money making investments, and if this was not the norm, Ticketmaster would not have the leverage to entice bands to allow premium tickets. The saving grace with Pearl Jam is their insistence on a face value resale policy. To the best of my knowledge, most bands don't insist on this.   
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  • jimjam1982
    jimjam1982 AZ Posts: 1,471
    pjhawks said:
    It's really got to suck for the guys in the band to be held to standards they set for themselves 25-30 years ago. I sure as heck don't want people in my life to hold me to the same standards or beliefs I had when I was 20-25 years old. Maybe stop holding them to those standards of yesteryear  or put them on a pedestal that they are above what other bands do or charge.  No system they implement is going to be perfect, but the more 10C seats and the availability of every show is still pretty damn good.  The premium prices is a really easy decision for most people. Either you are ok with paying it or not.  It shouldn't be a two week bitch fest about the cost in my opinion because the old days aren't coming back.
    Right?

    They fought for their fanbase that was 16 to 26 years old primarily at the time....which btw is when you are at your poorest.

    If you can't afford shows now... No one to blame but the choices you have made of your own free will. 30 years later and you haven't grown and made more money? Take a long hard look in the mirror before blaming the band. Your decisions aren't the bands fault. Plenty of things to complain about in this world and Pearl Jam ticket prices aren't one of them. 
  • MD190661
    MD190661 Posts: 394
    kmcmanus said:
    MD190661 said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    Flights to California:  $600 x 2 = $1,200
    3 nights hotel:  $250 x 3 = $750
    Other transit:  $150
    Total Price of Trip before Pearl Jam =  $2,100

    Pearl Jam increases prices $50 on their tickets.  F you Pearl Jam, I can't afford that!
    Except a lot of people don't travel for shows. I'd never pay all that to see PJ, but am happy when they come to me if I get good seats at a price I'm willing to pay. 
    Must be nice. I haven’t been able to see them without traveling in over a decade. And I’m not in the minority on this. They barely play anywhere anymore. Which is the biggest factor driving all of this round of complaints as it directly impacts the prices, the lottery, the onsale, all of it. There are not enough shows to meet demand and unless there is these problems will not get better.
    oh and spoiler, they aren’t going to play more to fix it.
    You're right. I'm spoiled in the Bay Area. Most bands come through here regularly. If I lived in Atlanta I'd have probably traveled someone in the past decade to see a PJ show or 2.
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  • kaw753
    kaw753 Posts: 941
    THEBIBLEISTEN said:
    Just curious, anyone in this thread complaining about tix prices, you guys ever download music for free? 
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