Ticket prices. This is not for you (the fans).

Eddieredder said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Eddieredder said:

Lerxst1992 said:

pjhawks said:

Try to match where you want to play and figure out who wants to see you more than anyone else. That’s where the majority of shows should be.stop expecting fans to fly to places you like, and in some cases taunt them with hundreds of unsold tickets.

if this was the case they need to play 4 or 5 shows in NYC and Philly if insist on playing indoors.  Really not sure what the solution is for Philly and NY other than play more shows in each city at one time.  Or play the ballparks.  I am still stunned they haven't played Citizens Bank Park in Philly yet.  Now could have been issues with that this year because CBP had at least 3 shows that I know of re-scheduled from last year for this year because of cancellations (2 Springsteen and Morgan Wallen).  And there are only so many dates available in the ballparks because you need about a week of no baseball dates to play shows.

And I actually think it's really cool they play smaller and different places.  It's a great experience to go places you maybe wouldn't normally go to see this band.  Plus in those smaller and/or non-NE places getting 10C tickets can be easier than the Philly and NYC shows. 

Thinking it’s cool to play smaller markets, although a good point, is one of many factors driving up nyc “market rates”

We are so trained to see the issue from their point of view, there are many options that could fit within a two show window. Tier pricing. If their plan is to leave $1000 msg tickets on TM for six months, why did they never attempt to sell any tickets at $300,$400 and all points in between face $180 and $1000? The higher face prices would force fans to put fair value priority on what they are willing to spend instead of jumping right to $1000

Another one, is a silent auction lottery. List a variety of tickets, and club members type in a price not knowing what the winning bid will be. Another, is to have  a losers bracket lottery for fans shut out of every show for a slightly to moderately higher price . There are many things they could try if they have any interest in treating customers fairly instead of heading straight to $1000. 

Instead they have a new lottery system that minimizes chances for New Yorkers without the priority lottery rankings. So I’ve been posting comments like this while reading in the msg winners thread comment after comment of folks from west coast, Canada, wherever, who are spending $180 on tickets and $500 to $1000 on travel to nyc. Thanks PJ. That’s a big driver of these outrageous “market rates”

The current system makes no sense, PJ is creating revenue for airlines and hotels, from their own pocket, while having hundreds of unsold tickets in many markets. These poor business policies have one victim, fans in the NE staring at that$1000 price tag for six months, since Pearl Jam obviously doesn’t care about this money, they are hardly a victim of their own decisions. Unless they are getting a cut from delta and Marriott.

You know what drives up NY prices the most? Its NY. 

I understand your frustration, but you conveniently don't address any opposing thoughts to your narrative. And your suggestions, while well thought out and with the right intentions.......they aren't really problem solvers. 

I've been trying my entire life to get a MSG ticket. Its hard. Over your 1000s of posts on the issue, you continually say its $180 or $100 or bust. That is not the case and you know it. 

The only tickets under $1000 now are in 200s with views obstructed by the Bridges, with the exception of one single ticket sitting on premium all week for $865.  So if you lose the lottery, for a full view, it’s $1000. I invite you to share other options available now. Please don’t share that someone got a good deal an hour before the show last time. What’s available currently. F2F will not be a NY option.

I’ve been going to shows in NY since the eighties, and the only band … the only band…I’ve had this problem is PJ, because their policies, everything from locking supply into the club at highly deflated prices, guaranteeing premium locations at an 80% discount for a known subset of fans that drives up demand, and many other policies that drive up prices , leads to my comments at the outright misleading language in the tour announcement regarding PJ premium procedures.

 

Oh so it has to be within your personal seating preference to count towards your narrative? Thats pretty convenient!

I hate premium pricing as much as the next guy, but none of your suggestions really address that. Nor does tiered pricing. Silent auction? 

Want a NY only lottery. Go ahead and push that. There will be no backlash there. Totally fair to the non NY residents. LOL. BTW that still doesn't solve anything. The same resale and premium would still exist. The difference is just more NY fans have tix (in theory). You could easily argue that this would drive up prices even more. 

"guaranteeing premium locations at an 80% discount for a known subset of fans that drives up demand"

Are you suggesting they get rid of the fan club tix? Raise the price for fan club tix?

Evidently, there are still many thousands out there with pockets deep enough to afford the pricey entry fees as both dates are almost sold out, but the price hikes in recent years are spiralling out of control.

One fan complained: "Ticket price inflation is insane, way beyond anything else I can think of. I get that records aren't selling any more and this is the way that bands make money but I've been feeling the need to draw the line for a few years now, this is the time I've finally done it, I'm not prepared to pay these prices any longer."

Another joked: "In other news anyone want to buy a kidney so I can see ACDC."

Get_Right said:

SHZA said:

Barcelona looks pretty bad. Of the US shows, LA Forum has the most unsold uppers. Making out just fine is not the same as forecasting actual revenue with laser-like precision. In any event, the subsidization point is that the revenue realized by dynamic/premium pricing has the effect of reducing the revenue that needs to be realized from the remaining tickets to reach the minimum revenue number, and in that sense "subsidizes" the standard tickets. 

As I said, it's a range. And I am surprised they went back to Cali after the poor sales last time around. And we can agree to disagree on the subsidy, one has nothing to do with the other, they are separate, one is a finite number while one is not.

Lerxst1992 said:

I understand I am in the belly of the beast. Here are the loyalists of a terrible  system. But the system is loved here because some are benefiting thousands of dollars each tour off of “market rates” and most of the money spent is being sent to airlines and hotels.

 I say let’s have PJ recoup that income. One need to look no further at pj premium and broker sites to understand that every ten c ticket in high demand markets is sold at a massive discount off “market rates”, using the words or our legendary band. Argue with the band, that’s their words. A discount so massive is a price control.

simple solution.

step 1. For high demand shows, charge GA $325 and p1 $270. That’s way below “market rate.” Keep p2 at current prices. Keep tenure process.

step 2. Take 10% of inventory from buckets (verified, platinum and 10 c-3% each) and have a lottery losers bracket silent auction, minimum bid $325

That should drive odds from 5% to over 50%. Brings desire to spend in line with market rate. Will balance supply v demand.

Anyone choosing to slam this “proposal” please attest they’ve never spent $500+ on travel and incidentals for a $120 PJ ticket. I say PJ deserves some of that revenue.


 Edit, since they now play two shows in high demand markets, price one at existing prices and the second one with a new procedure