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I saw an advert for slipknot tickets at Leeds arena for this December yesterday.
intrigued I took a look at the prices.
So they were £230 for floor standing (but you get early access with this ticket and a really limited lanyard that Im sure everyone gets)
£247 for seats towards the back - but you get a lanyard that don't forget is super limited, AND early access to merch - and an undisclosed merch item
£497 for premium seats in the first tear - with a super limited lanyard don't forget, early access to merch AND Two free drinks.
I appreciate this is all likely part of the packages they sell, and TM's dynamic pricing and whilst I do like seeing Slipknot live, I know where id rather be this year
I saw the dynamic pricing on Green Day too in manchester - holy shit. Someone MUST be paying those prices.0 -
Going to gigs is fast becoming a pastime of the 1 percenters-part of me is almost glad my favourite bands are winding down as they age because I can barely afford gigs where I am. And I'm not skint. Though the winding down is a big reason I think prices are so high. You get closer to a band's end date and get hella FOMO. Being one of those grumpy old custards that call today's music crap and only listen to the music of their time gets more appealing!Stars are suns to other people.
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I recognise some of that grumpiness in myselfJT167846 said:Going to gigs is fast becoming a pastime of the 1 percenters-part of me is almost glad my favourite bands are winding down as they age because I can barely afford gigs where I am. And I'm not skint. Though the winding down is a big reason I think prices are so high. You get closer to a band's end date and get hella FOMO. Being one of those grumpy old custards that call today's music crap and only listen to the music of their time gets more appealing!
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This is the struggle for me. I can pay the 10c ticket prices. But it’s getting harder to justify the travel each year.pjhawks said:
if this was the case they need to play 4 or 5 shows in NYC and Philly if insist on playing indoors. Really not sure what the solution is for Philly and NY other than play more shows in each city at one time. Or play the ballparks. I am still stunned they haven't played Citizens Bank Park in Philly yet. Now could have been issues with that this year because CBP had at least 3 shows that I know of re-scheduled from last year for this year because of cancellations (2 Springsteen and Morgan Wallen). And there are only so many dates available in the ballparks because you need about a week of no baseball dates to play shows.Try to match where you want to play and figure out who wants to see you more than anyone else. That’s where the majority of shows should be.stop expecting fans to fly to places you like, and in some cases taunt them with hundreds of unsold tickets.
And I actually think it's really cool they play smaller and different places. It's a great experience to go places you maybe wouldn't normally go to see this band. Plus in those smaller and/or non-NE places getting 10C tickets can be easier than the Philly and NYC shows.
10 years ago with no kids it was fun. Now a 3 or 4 day trip that’s going to cost $1000 or more in travel. Do I want our vacation budget and days off spent on me seeing shows, or time with my kids?0 -
This is very much similar to my situation. Spending time with the family on vacation is more important.mace1229 said:
This is the struggle for me. I can pay the 10c ticket prices. But it’s getting harder to justify the travel each year.pjhawks said:
if this was the case they need to play 4 or 5 shows in NYC and Philly if insist on playing indoors. Really not sure what the solution is for Philly and NY other than play more shows in each city at one time. Or play the ballparks. I am still stunned they haven't played Citizens Bank Park in Philly yet. Now could have been issues with that this year because CBP had at least 3 shows that I know of re-scheduled from last year for this year because of cancellations (2 Springsteen and Morgan Wallen). And there are only so many dates available in the ballparks because you need about a week of no baseball dates to play shows.Try to match where you want to play and figure out who wants to see you more than anyone else. That’s where the majority of shows should be.stop expecting fans to fly to places you like, and in some cases taunt them with hundreds of unsold tickets.
And I actually think it's really cool they play smaller and different places. It's a great experience to go places you maybe wouldn't normally go to see this band. Plus in those smaller and/or non-NE places getting 10C tickets can be easier than the Philly and NYC shows.
10 years ago with no kids it was fun. Now a 3 or 4 day trip that’s going to cost $1000 or more in travel. Do I want our vacation budget and days off spent on me seeing shows, or time with my kids?0 -
mace1229 said:
This is the struggle for me. I can pay the 10c ticket prices. But it’s getting harder to justify the travel each year.pjhawks said:
if this was the case they need to play 4 or 5 shows in NYC and Philly if insist on playing indoors. Really not sure what the solution is for Philly and NY other than play more shows in each city at one time. Or play the ballparks. I am still stunned they haven't played Citizens Bank Park in Philly yet. Now could have been issues with that this year because CBP had at least 3 shows that I know of re-scheduled from last year for this year because of cancellations (2 Springsteen and Morgan Wallen). And there are only so many dates available in the ballparks because you need about a week of no baseball dates to play shows.Try to match where you want to play and figure out who wants to see you more than anyone else. That’s where the majority of shows should be.stop expecting fans to fly to places you like, and in some cases taunt them with hundreds of unsold tickets.
And I actually think it's really cool they play smaller and different places. It's a great experience to go places you maybe wouldn't normally go to see this band. Plus in those smaller and/or non-NE places getting 10C tickets can be easier than the Philly and NYC shows.
10 years ago with no kids it was fun. Now a 3 or 4 day trip that’s going to cost $1000 or more in travel. Do I want our vacation budget and days off spent on me seeing shows, or time with my kids?
Kids definitely put a damper on all personal pursuits, including hobbies and travel without them. Find a way to get to a show, you do not need to go multiple nights. Even if you have to drive 10 hours and stay at a cheap hotel (bring a sleeping bag and your own pillows). It will help your personal disposition when you get back home to deal with everything a busy family requires. I have done this and it makes me feel more normal when I get back home. You can do it on the cheap.0 -
I also struggled with traveling to see PJ when my kids were younger. When my son turned 13 in 2022, I told my wife it was time to take him with me. I don't hunt or play golf so this is my thing that I do and my wife has been a good sport about it. I will never pay PJ premium prices but I will also not miss a tour for a couple of reasons. Not sure how long the boys will continue to play and this has now become a father/son trip that we look forward to each tour. Baltimore will mark my sons third show in 3 years (Nashvegas 2022, DFW 2023). I will still try to squeeze in another show with my original PJ tour buddies if it works out.0
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Yeah, closest show is an 8 hour drive. We were going to try and make a family trip out of it, but decided not to. I have no interest in doing that by myself. Driving 8 hours, sleeping in a car, going to the show, driving back 8 hours. That’s a lot of driving and an entire weekend leaving the wife with the kids. I don’t think anyone comes ahead in this scenario.Get_Right said:mace1229 said:
This is the struggle for me. I can pay the 10c ticket prices. But it’s getting harder to justify the travel each year.pjhawks said:
if this was the case they need to play 4 or 5 shows in NYC and Philly if insist on playing indoors. Really not sure what the solution is for Philly and NY other than play more shows in each city at one time. Or play the ballparks. I am still stunned they haven't played Citizens Bank Park in Philly yet. Now could have been issues with that this year because CBP had at least 3 shows that I know of re-scheduled from last year for this year because of cancellations (2 Springsteen and Morgan Wallen). And there are only so many dates available in the ballparks because you need about a week of no baseball dates to play shows.Try to match where you want to play and figure out who wants to see you more than anyone else. That’s where the majority of shows should be.stop expecting fans to fly to places you like, and in some cases taunt them with hundreds of unsold tickets.
And I actually think it's really cool they play smaller and different places. It's a great experience to go places you maybe wouldn't normally go to see this band. Plus in those smaller and/or non-NE places getting 10C tickets can be easier than the Philly and NYC shows.
10 years ago with no kids it was fun. Now a 3 or 4 day trip that’s going to cost $1000 or more in travel. Do I want our vacation budget and days off spent on me seeing shows, or time with my kids?
Kids definitely put a damper on all personal pursuits, including hobbies and travel without them. Find a way to get to a show, you do not need to go multiple nights. Even if you have to drive 10 hours and stay at a cheap hotel (bring a sleeping bag and your own pillows). It will help your personal disposition when you get back home to deal with everything a busy family requires. I have done this and it makes me feel more normal when I get back home. You can do it on the cheap.Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
Yup the cost is a lot more due to the need to travel. BUt I try to mix it in. This year I'll go to Vegas with my daughter (we did St Paul last time). My wife and daughter going to Indy with me. And I'll meet a friend in NYC and go there. Was supposed to meet friends in Chicago and whole family go to Saturday but didn;t get 10C tix so made other plans.mace1229 said:
This is the struggle for me. I can pay the 10c ticket prices. But it’s getting harder to justify the travel each year.pjhawks said:
if this was the case they need to play 4 or 5 shows in NYC and Philly if insist on playing indoors. Really not sure what the solution is for Philly and NY other than play more shows in each city at one time. Or play the ballparks. I am still stunned they haven't played Citizens Bank Park in Philly yet. Now could have been issues with that this year because CBP had at least 3 shows that I know of re-scheduled from last year for this year because of cancellations (2 Springsteen and Morgan Wallen). And there are only so many dates available in the ballparks because you need about a week of no baseball dates to play shows.Try to match where you want to play and figure out who wants to see you more than anyone else. That’s where the majority of shows should be.stop expecting fans to fly to places you like, and in some cases taunt them with hundreds of unsold tickets.
And I actually think it's really cool they play smaller and different places. It's a great experience to go places you maybe wouldn't normally go to see this band. Plus in those smaller and/or non-NE places getting 10C tickets can be easier than the Philly and NYC shows.
10 years ago with no kids it was fun. Now a 3 or 4 day trip that’s going to cost $1000 or more in travel. Do I want our vacation budget and days off spent on me seeing shows, or time with my kids?
So I spend a lot...but I do it with my family or as a reason to meet up with friends. I debated Sacramento this year but it ended up that it would have been solo so switched to Vegas on a Saturday.hippiemom = goodness0 -
mace1229 said:
This is the struggle for me. I can pay the 10c ticket prices. But it’s getting harder to justify the travel each year.pjhawks said:
if this was the case they need to play 4 or 5 shows in NYC and Philly if insist on playing indoors. Really not sure what the solution is for Philly and NY other than play more shows in each city at one time. Or play the ballparks. I am still stunned they haven't played Citizens Bank Park in Philly yet. Now could have been issues with that this year because CBP had at least 3 shows that I know of re-scheduled from last year for this year because of cancellations (2 Springsteen and Morgan Wallen). And there are only so many dates available in the ballparks because you need about a week of no baseball dates to play shows.Try to match where you want to play and figure out who wants to see you more than anyone else. That’s where the majority of shows should be.stop expecting fans to fly to places you like, and in some cases taunt them with hundreds of unsold tickets.
And I actually think it's really cool they play smaller and different places. It's a great experience to go places you maybe wouldn't normally go to see this band. Plus in those smaller and/or non-NE places getting 10C tickets can be easier than the Philly and NYC shows.
10 years ago with no kids it was fun. Now a 3 or 4 day trip that’s going to cost $1000 or more in travel. Do I want our vacation budget and days off spent on me seeing shows, or time with my kids?I don't have kids, but the travel makes a bigger impact on me too. 3 nights in Vancouver to be able to go to 2 shows. Tickets: 416/pair. Hotel: $1000 (after tax) for 3 nights. Plus if shows fall in the week you start burning vacation days.The concert tickets prices are probably the least painful cost of going to a show. It's definitely made me slow down in my concert going.0 -
Get_Right said:TM has been holding back tickets in the NYC market since the 90s. The number of "holds" for NYC shows has always been much more than people believe. Back then it was a backdoor hustle to provide resellers/scalpers with tickets. Now, thanks to technology, it is much more transparent. It is a blatant fleecing of the consumer. And the high prices for MSG are nothing new. 2010 was the first and only time I bought through stubhub for Pearl Jam at MSG and the cheapest single the day before the show was $500 for a single seat in the 200s at the back of the arena (not rear view but all the way straight back). So 14 years later it is not surprising that same ticket might be $800. And as I said, there is no free market involved it is TM's monopoly that is causing the current pricing situation. If TM is charging $1,000, then stubhub can easily ask $800. Yes the band is complicit, but it is hard for a band to say no to more money.Yes, this has occurred often in the past. But their claims to fans is personally what I am disputing.
The band is trying to appear reasonable with their fans, that is what is new here. “Hey we are releasing ten percent of inventory at market rate.” What is being done is only a tiny fraction of that ten percent is being offered at any particular time, and since they are not being sold for days, their listed prices are well above market rates. Also, they don’t sell any uppers for less than the $1000 typical premium ticket, so they are making zero attempt to establish a market rate. They are only interested in creating desperation from the fans.
That is my specific complaint, what Pearl Jam is claiming in their tour release is a complete fabrication of truth. Combined with all their restrictive ticket policies driving up prices this is closer to pig butchering than market rate. Words matter. Integrity matters. Especially in a market where fans get screwed over and their new lottery rules made it even more difficult to get $180 tickets for msg.0 -
Lerxst1992 said:Get_Right said:TM has been holding back tickets in the NYC market since the 90s. The number of "holds" for NYC shows has always been much more than people believe. Back then it was a backdoor hustle to provide resellers/scalpers with tickets. Now, thanks to technology, it is much more transparent. It is a blatant fleecing of the consumer. And the high prices for MSG are nothing new. 2010 was the first and only time I bought through stubhub for Pearl Jam at MSG and the cheapest single the day before the show was $500 for a single seat in the 200s at the back of the arena (not rear view but all the way straight back). So 14 years later it is not surprising that same ticket might be $800. And as I said, there is no free market involved it is TM's monopoly that is causing the current pricing situation. If TM is charging $1,000, then stubhub can easily ask $800. Yes the band is complicit, but it is hard for a band to say no to more money.Yes, this has occurred often in the past. But their claims to fans is personally what I am disputing.
The band is trying to appear reasonable with their fans, that is what is new here. “Hey we are releasing ten percent of inventory at market rate.” What is being done is only a tiny fraction of that ten percent is being offered at any particular time, and since they are not being sold for days, their listed prices are well above market rates. Also, they don’t sell any uppers for less than the $1000 typical premium ticket, so they are making zero attempt to establish a market rate. They are only interested in creating desperation from the fans.
That is my specific complaint, what Pearl Jam is claiming in their tour release is a complete fabrication of truth. Combined with all their restrictive ticket policies driving up prices this is closer to pig butchering than market rate. Words matter. Integrity matters. Especially in a market where fans get screwed over and their new lottery rules made it even more difficult to get $180 tickets for msg.
Have you ever developed marketing materials? That is all this is. Corporate speak and it is what it is. And MSG has been a crapshoot since 2003. The new rules have not changed that. The TM marketing and the word that PJ is a show to see is probably more responsible.0 -
pjhawks said:
if this was the case they need to play 4 or 5 shows in NYC and Philly if insist on playing indoors. Really not sure what the solution is for Philly and NY other than play more shows in each city at one time. Or play the ballparks. I am still stunned they haven't played Citizens Bank Park in Philly yet. Now could have been issues with that this year because CBP had at least 3 shows that I know of re-scheduled from last year for this year because of cancellations (2 Springsteen and Morgan Wallen). And there are only so many dates available in the ballparks because you need about a week of no baseball dates to play shows.Try to match where you want to play and figure out who wants to see you more than anyone else. That’s where the majority of shows should be.stop expecting fans to fly to places you like, and in some cases taunt them with hundreds of unsold tickets.
And I actually think it's really cool they play smaller and different places. It's a great experience to go places you maybe wouldn't normally go to see this band. Plus in those smaller and/or non-NE places getting 10C tickets can be easier than the Philly and NYC shows.Thinking it’s cool to play smaller markets, although a good point, is one of many factors driving up nyc “market rates”We are so trained to see the issue from their point of view, there are many options that could fit within a two show window. Tier pricing. If their plan is to leave $1000 msg tickets on TM for six months, why did they never attempt to sell any tickets at $300,$400 and all points in between face $180 and $1000? The higher face prices would force fans to put fair value priority on what they are willing to spend instead of jumping right to $1000Another one, is a silent auction lottery. List a variety of tickets, and club members type in a price not knowing what the winning bid will be. Another, is to have a losers bracket lottery for fans shut out of every show for a slightly to moderately higher price . There are many things they could try if they have any interest in treating customers fairly instead of heading straight to $1000.
Instead they have a new lottery system that minimizes chances for New Yorkers without the priority lottery rankings. So I’ve been posting comments like this while reading in the msg winners thread comment after comment of folks from west coast, Canada, wherever, who are spending $180 on tickets and $500 to $1000 on travel to nyc. Thanks PJ. That’s a big driver of these outrageous “market rates”The current system makes no sense, PJ is creating revenue for airlines and hotels, from their own pocket, while having hundreds of unsold tickets in many markets. These poor business policies have one victim, fans in the NE staring at that$1000 price tag for six months, since Pearl Jam obviously doesn’t care about this money, they are hardly a victim of their own decisions. Unless they are getting a cut from delta and Marriott.0 -
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Get_Right said:Lerxst1992 said:Get_Right said:TM has been holding back tickets in the NYC market since the 90s. The number of "holds" for NYC shows has always been much more than people believe. Back then it was a backdoor hustle to provide resellers/scalpers with tickets. Now, thanks to technology, it is much more transparent. It is a blatant fleecing of the consumer. And the high prices for MSG are nothing new. 2010 was the first and only time I bought through stubhub for Pearl Jam at MSG and the cheapest single the day before the show was $500 for a single seat in the 200s at the back of the arena (not rear view but all the way straight back). So 14 years later it is not surprising that same ticket might be $800. And as I said, there is no free market involved it is TM's monopoly that is causing the current pricing situation. If TM is charging $1,000, then stubhub can easily ask $800. Yes the band is complicit, but it is hard for a band to say no to more money.Yes, this has occurred often in the past. But their claims to fans is personally what I am disputing.
The band is trying to appear reasonable with their fans, that is what is new here. “Hey we are releasing ten percent of inventory at market rate.” What is being done is only a tiny fraction of that ten percent is being offered at any particular time, and since they are not being sold for days, their listed prices are well above market rates. Also, they don’t sell any uppers for less than the $1000 typical premium ticket, so they are making zero attempt to establish a market rate. They are only interested in creating desperation from the fans.
That is my specific complaint, what Pearl Jam is claiming in their tour release is a complete fabrication of truth. Combined with all their restrictive ticket policies driving up prices this is closer to pig butchering than market rate. Words matter. Integrity matters. Especially in a market where fans get screwed over and their new lottery rules made it even more difficult to get $180 tickets for msg.
Have you ever developed marketing materials? That is all this is. Corporate speak and it is what it is. And MSG has been a crapshoot since 2003. The new rules have not changed that. The TM marketing and the word that PJ is a show to see is probably more responsible.Wow. We are so trained to defend them. They decided to put their name on the premium prices, and I am holding them to their word on their tour release, you don’t have to!To me, words matter, especially as something that is supposed to be of utmost importance to the band, since they intervene in ticket supply and price dynamics more than any other artist. And the result is the highest resale prices for an artist not named swift. To many it seems their words are nothing more than big corporate talk . We’ve come a long way since 1991 baby!0 -
Lerxst1992 said:Get_Right said:Lerxst1992 said:Get_Right said:TM has been holding back tickets in the NYC market since the 90s. The number of "holds" for NYC shows has always been much more than people believe. Back then it was a backdoor hustle to provide resellers/scalpers with tickets. Now, thanks to technology, it is much more transparent. It is a blatant fleecing of the consumer. And the high prices for MSG are nothing new. 2010 was the first and only time I bought through stubhub for Pearl Jam at MSG and the cheapest single the day before the show was $500 for a single seat in the 200s at the back of the arena (not rear view but all the way straight back). So 14 years later it is not surprising that same ticket might be $800. And as I said, there is no free market involved it is TM's monopoly that is causing the current pricing situation. If TM is charging $1,000, then stubhub can easily ask $800. Yes the band is complicit, but it is hard for a band to say no to more money.Yes, this has occurred often in the past. But their claims to fans is personally what I am disputing.
The band is trying to appear reasonable with their fans, that is what is new here. “Hey we are releasing ten percent of inventory at market rate.” What is being done is only a tiny fraction of that ten percent is being offered at any particular time, and since they are not being sold for days, their listed prices are well above market rates. Also, they don’t sell any uppers for less than the $1000 typical premium ticket, so they are making zero attempt to establish a market rate. They are only interested in creating desperation from the fans.
That is my specific complaint, what Pearl Jam is claiming in their tour release is a complete fabrication of truth. Combined with all their restrictive ticket policies driving up prices this is closer to pig butchering than market rate. Words matter. Integrity matters. Especially in a market where fans get screwed over and their new lottery rules made it even more difficult to get $180 tickets for msg.
Have you ever developed marketing materials? That is all this is. Corporate speak and it is what it is. And MSG has been a crapshoot since 2003. The new rules have not changed that. The TM marketing and the word that PJ is a show to see is probably more responsible.Wow. We are so trained to defend them. They decided to put their name on the premium prices, and I am holding them to their word on their tour release, you don’t have to!To me, words matter, especially as something that is supposed to be of utmost importance to the band, since they intervene in ticket supply and price dynamics more than any other artist. And the result is the highest resale prices for an artist not named swift. To many it seems their words are nothing more than big corporate talk . We’ve come a long way since 1991 baby!
Not trained to defend them, but I do give them somewhat of a benefit of the doubt. While understanding how the monopoly has fucking crushed the consumer, and the band in some ways. Words may matter, but you are not going to lose 25 pounds buying that diet pill. They do more than many artists, and much less than others. That is the medium that I think this band has found. I do not love it and I do not hate it.0 -
Written by a Live Nation executive. Clearly an objective source 😂demetrios said:0 -
Haha. Still there certainly seems to be some truths in the article that some people around here don't want to admit.SHZA said:
Written by a Live Nation executive. Clearly an objective source 😂demetrios said:'F*** the pessimists. F*** 'em.' Eddie Vedder0 -
No doubt. It would just carry more weight from someone whose bonuses aren't tied to Ticketmaster's success and who would tell both sides of the story. He may be leaving out some more inconvenient truths.tino_11 said:
Haha. Still there certainly seems to be some truths in the article that some people around here don't want to admit.SHZA said:
Written by a Live Nation executive. Clearly an objective source 😂demetrios said:Post edited by SHZA on0
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