I'm going to guess Europeans just mostly make far less money then USA?
If you stop looking at the premium pricing - I feel this tour was really fair for modern day standards and incomes here in the USA.
Noblesville is that way because it was a postponed show and has very limited seating left to start with. Most of the venue was already sold in 2023 and held on to.
$200 is normal for a US show? Wow.
Yes. Yes it is.
I'm going to see Neil Young and Crazy Horse on May 1st in Austin, $88 after fees for GREAT lawn seats.
It just depends where you want to sit. There's a wide range of prices for arena and stadium shows. If you're content to sit in the nosebleeds, you can probably get in the building for $50-$75. If you want to be up close, $200 is actually pretty low for many shows, especially those with an older fan base (think Eagles, Billy Joel, etc). Neil Young charges $80 for the lawn but almost $1k for the first few rows. Even if you filter out the Platinum, standard prices go up to $300. PJ is pretty much the only band I can think of that has basically the same standard price for every seat (North America pricing anyway)
Touring is crazy expensive and this band has long time employees who go to bat for them tour after tour. I had to help do budgets for a large concert series and they are a pain in the butt and sometimes we lost money and my salary as an employee was frozen. The budget has to make sense and they also like to break up the tours into smaller segments and not play a bazillion shows in stadiums like other bands. The cost of everything is high these days but for me the experiences I have with this band and the PJ community is worth what I'm paying. It is just a priority for me personally. I skipped many years of pj shows to work and raise my kids.
Now they are older, i'm trying to make up for it. I never know when this band won't be around anymore.
I agree that touring is expensive, but answer this riddle then, why are they playing so many cities 2 nights and taking a day off in between?
Vancouver, Vegas, Seattle, Barcelona, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, Auckland, Melbourne, Sydney, all of these cities have 2 shows with a day off in between, why do this if touring is so expensive???
Left out of all this pricing discourse is that, let's be honest, the shows are about 20-30%% shorter then they traditionally were through 2018. Just a few examples of # of songs: 2018 Wrigley 32/29, 2023 Chi UC 24/24, 2018 London 27/33, 2022 Imola/London 22, 2022 Nashville 23.
2024 prices are 45% higher then 2018 & 2x higher then 2016.
I think this will be their last big worldwide tour; as the promotion seems to be everywhere for this album.
But also FWIW the band has been performing at a level I wasn't seeing when they were doing 3 1/2 hour shows. Maybe I've just been lucky in picking shows but to me the difference is noticeable.
Yeah, but when you deduct all of EV's talking during the 3 1/2 hour shows, they were really about 2 1/2 hour shows!
Touring is crazy expensive and this band has long time employees who go to bat for them tour after tour. I had to help do budgets for a large concert series and they are a pain in the butt and sometimes we lost money and my salary as an employee was frozen. The budget has to make sense and they also like to break up the tours into smaller segments and not play a bazillion shows in stadiums like other bands. The cost of everything is high these days but for me the experiences I have with this band and the PJ community is worth what I'm paying. It is just a priority for me personally. I skipped many years of pj shows to work and raise my kids.
Now they are older, i'm trying to make up for it. I never know when this band won't be around anymore.
I agree that touring is expensive, but answer this riddle then, why are they playing so many cities 2 nights and taking a day off in between?
Vancouver, Vegas, Seattle, Barcelona, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, Auckland, Melbourne, Sydney, all of these cities have 2 shows with a day off in between, why do this if touring is so expensive???
If you do the shows in the same city, you don't need the fuel to drive the gear to the next city. You get two nights without the cost of moving everything.
I think the day off is just because of age. Gets harder to do back to back shows the older you get.
Touring is crazy expensive and this band has long time employees who go to bat for them tour after tour. I had to help do budgets for a large concert series and they are a pain in the butt and sometimes we lost money and my salary as an employee was frozen. The budget has to make sense and they also like to break up the tours into smaller segments and not play a bazillion shows in stadiums like other bands. The cost of everything is high these days but for me the experiences I have with this band and the PJ community is worth what I'm paying. It is just a priority for me personally. I skipped many years of pj shows to work and raise my kids.
Now they are older, i'm trying to make up for it. I never know when this band won't be around anymore.
I agree that touring is expensive, but answer this riddle then, why are they playing so many cities 2 nights and taking a day off in between?
Vancouver, Vegas, Seattle, Barcelona, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, Auckland, Melbourne, Sydney, all of these cities have 2 shows with a day off in between, why do this if touring is so expensive???
If you do the shows in the same city, you don't need the fuel to drive the gear to the next city. You get two nights without the cost of moving everything.
I think the day off is just because of age. Gets harder to do back to back shows the older you get.
Touring is crazy expensive and this band has long time employees who go to bat for them tour after tour. I had to help do budgets for a large concert series and they are a pain in the butt and sometimes we lost money and my salary as an employee was frozen. The budget has to make sense and they also like to break up the tours into smaller segments and not play a bazillion shows in stadiums like other bands. The cost of everything is high these days but for me the experiences I have with this band and the PJ community is worth what I'm paying. It is just a priority for me personally. I skipped many years of pj shows to work and raise my kids.
Now they are older, i'm trying to make up for it. I never know when this band won't be around anymore.
I agree that touring is expensive, but answer this riddle then, why are they playing so many cities 2 nights and taking a day off in between?
Vancouver, Vegas, Seattle, Barcelona, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, Auckland, Melbourne, Sydney, all of these cities have 2 shows with a day off in between, why do this if touring is so expensive???
If you do the shows in the same city, you don't need the fuel to drive the gear to the next city. You get two nights without the cost of moving everything.
I think the day off is just because of age. Gets harder to do back to back shows the older you get.
Its all about selling that merch! And to give the fans two entirely different set lists in the same city to justify fans buying tickets to both nights. Which I gladly appreciate.
At best, the guys need to show a little more diligence when allowing Ticketmaster to be the agents for the tour.
At worst, they have sold out and ripped off their own fans in the worst and most ironic way.
Hope it's the former. Even if it's the latter, it's not too late to repent! Refer to Robert Smith/The Cure for how to handle Ticketmaster!
I wish someone would find one band other than the Cure that limited prices.
Garth Brooks 2022 stadium tour. All tix were $85.00 with TM fees capped at 7 dollars and change. There were no platinum tix, no resales (no red dots on TM), no dynamic pricing.
What do you think that same pit ticket would be for Pearl Jam????? Just curious.
That’s obviously the question if they were to go to a tiered model. People like me with old numbers would definitely pay more than $185.
There were a few venues with multiple price tiers (I think Baltimore was a $10 difference between P1/pit and P2), so we'd probably still have that option, so, you'd probably be able to select the tier(s) you're most comfortable paying for, though that might reduce your chances of getting a ticket.
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Weezer and Smashing Pumpkins at the O2 in June is £75 a ticket. £75. Nearly £100 less for a double headline gig.
Why are people still defending these insane prices?
Do they play the same songs every night? That makes a huge difference in people willing to go to multiple shows, which makes the experience more valuable.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
At best, the guys need to show a little more diligence when allowing Ticketmaster to be the agents for the tour.
At worst, they have sold out and ripped off their own fans in the worst and most ironic way.
Hope it's the former. Even if it's the latter, it's not too late to repent! Refer to Robert Smith/The Cure for how to handle Ticketmaster!
I wish someone would find one band other than the Cure that limited prices.
Garth Brooks 2022 stadium tour. All tix were $85.00 with TM fees capped at 7 dollars and change. There were no platinum tix, no resales (no red dots on TM), no dynamic pricing.
I remember Kid Rock did something similar a few years back
May/September touring. This is not for you (the teachers).
I am a first-year teacher rn after a career change. During the school week. Brutal. The kids will be getting a movie the next day.
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Man, this thread has 9 lives. I thought for sure it was fizzling out when it pivoted to strategy on getting double meat scoops at Chipotle. I was wrong.
Weezer and Smashing Pumpkins at the O2 in June is £75 a ticket. £75. Nearly £100 less for a double headline gig.
Why are people still defending these insane prices?
I like both of those bands, but do you consider Weezer or Smashing Pumpkins anywhere close to the same level as Pearl Jam? I don't.
In the UK yes.
Exactly that. Most people in the street haven't heard of any of them.
I would say they are on an even keel within the 90's rock loving public..
But then Weezer couldnt come across to the Uk and sell out the 02 or a festival day at Hyde park. They remain a solid club band and one I love to go and see. Id argue the Pumpkins are probably still a reasonable arena band, but I think their popularity days are well behind them. When it comes to selling tickets I strongly feel that PJ have them both schooled in the UK
Weezer and Smashing Pumpkins at the O2 in June is £75 a ticket. £75. Nearly £100 less for a double headline gig.
Why are people still defending these insane prices?
I like both of those bands, but do you consider Weezer or Smashing Pumpkins anywhere close to the same level as Pearl Jam? I don't.
In the UK yes.
Exactly that. Most people in the street haven't heard of any of them.
I would say they are on an even keel within the 90's rock loving public..
But then Weezer couldnt come across to the Uk and sell out the 02 or a festival day at Hyde park. They remain a solid club band and one I love to go and see. Id argue the Pumpkins are probably still a reasonable arena band, but I think their popularity days are well behind them. When it comes to selling tickets I strongly feel that PJ have them both schooled in the UK
I think they're all pretty much on a par in terms of making the right decisions for their fanbase, supply/demand etc. PJ have only really over-reached themselves twice in the UK. 2014 taking on MK (they should have just done the planned 2 nights at Leeds) and this time with the WHL toilet seat. The former was the bigger gamble I feel; after the two nights at Hyde Park they probably thought 110k tickets over 2 dates would equal a stadium show sell-out. With a more balanced pricing structure, they'd probably have been proven right and, if ticket prices continue to fall, they may yet manage it.
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Weezer and Smashing Pumpkins at the O2 in June is £75 a ticket. £75. Nearly £100 less for a double headline gig.
Why are people still defending these insane prices?
Do they play the same songs every night? That makes a huge difference in people willing to go to multiple shows, which makes the experience more valuable.
It doesn’t cost the band anything to change up the setlist. So why would it affect the ticket price?
I’m done. After 19 years, my auto renewal is turned off. I just don’t see the benefits of giving money to Ten Club when I can’t afford ticket prices, the seat locations are insulting, and the site is more about selling merch than sharing music and building community. Blessings and peace to you all. I’ll keep dancing with you in spirit and sound, just not in money.
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My Pearl Jam Road: 10/22/90 Seattle | 12/22/90 Seattle, Moore Theater | 9/29/92 Seattle, Magnusson Park, Drop in the Park | 9/5/93 The Gorge, with Neil Young and Blind Melon | 7/20/06 Portland, Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall with Sleater-Kinney | 7/22/06 The Gorge, 10/21/06 Mountain View, Shoreline Ampitheatre, Bridge School Benefit | 9/21/09 Seattle | 9/22/09 Seattle | 9/26/09 Portland, OR | 7/14/2011 Eddie Vedder, Portland, OR | 11/29/13 Portland, OR
That being said, Green Day and SP are playing Wrigley and their tickets were $20 more than PJ (after fees)
I wouldn’t pay these prices for Green Day or SP, either.
U2 tickets at the Sphere cost me $140 each. They were excellent seats. And that concert experience is arguably the most extraordinary of any in history. It’s was amazing.
And U2 is a much bigger band than PJ.
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My Pearl Jam Road: 10/22/90 Seattle | 12/22/90 Seattle, Moore Theater | 9/29/92 Seattle, Magnusson Park, Drop in the Park | 9/5/93 The Gorge, with Neil Young and Blind Melon | 7/20/06 Portland, Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall with Sleater-Kinney | 7/22/06 The Gorge, 10/21/06 Mountain View, Shoreline Ampitheatre, Bridge School Benefit | 9/21/09 Seattle | 9/22/09 Seattle | 9/26/09 Portland, OR | 7/14/2011 Eddie Vedder, Portland, OR | 11/29/13 Portland, OR
My guess is SP, Weezer and PJ all have about the same number of casual fans, which is the vast majority. But PJ has a lot more die hards. Ones that are willing to travel, ones that feel the need to see at least 1 show every tour, multiple if possible. Buy every album, multiples of every album actually. I hear more negative things about PJ than I do Weezer or SP. Maybe that's because I pay more attention to it or because I am part of that die hard crowd I draw that conversation more. But there is a lot of negativity associated with PJ that I don't necessarily hear about other similar bands.
That being said, Green Day and SP are playing Wrigley and their tickets were $20 more than PJ (after fees)
I wouldn’t pay these prices for Green Day or SP, either.
U2 tickets at the Sphere cost me $140 each. They were excellent seats. And that concert experience is arguably the most extraordinary of any in history. It’s was amazing.
And U2 is a much bigger band than PJ.
And U2 GA was $250, red zone was $600, P1 was $500, and $$$$ VIP packages etc. They subsidized the $140 400 section with the better seats whereas PJ just made everything essentially the same price. Not saying either way is better than the other but you can’t just compare a band’s nosebleed section with PJ’s because they’re entirely different pricing strategies.
Weezer and Smashing Pumpkins at the O2 in June is £75 a ticket. £75. Nearly £100 less for a double headline gig.
Why are people still defending these insane prices?
Do they play the same songs every night? That makes a huge difference in people willing to go to multiple shows, which makes the experience more valuable.
It doesn’t cost the band anything to change up the setlist. So why would it affect the ticket price?
Because you're going to have more demand from repeat attendees when it's not the same show every night.
My guess is SP, Weezer and PJ all have about the same number of casual fans, which is the vast majority. But PJ has a lot more die hards. Ones that are willing to travel, ones that feel the need to see at least 1 show every tour, multiple if possible. Buy every album, multiples of every album actually. I hear more negative things about PJ than I do Weezer or SP. Maybe that's because I pay more attention to it or because I am part of that die hard crowd I draw that conversation more. But there is a lot of negativity associated with PJ that I don't necessarily hear about other similar bands.
I dunno man, Billy is pretty toxic and it’s been pretty well documented. I think his public persona is seen as much worse than PJ’s. Rivers has less off-stage baggage but only 2 albums that are really beloved, the more recent of which was the same month as No Code. I see people dunking on both those bands pretty frequently.
The fact that they need to tour together while PJ can solo is telling too.
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Vancouver, Vegas, Seattle, Barcelona, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, Auckland, Melbourne, Sydney, all of these cities have 2 shows with a day off in between, why do this if touring is so expensive???
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I think the day off is just because of age. Gets harder to do back to back shows the older you get.
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All tix were $85.00 with TM fees capped at 7 dollars and change.
There were no platinum tix, no resales (no red dots on TM), no dynamic pricing.
Why are people still defending these insane prices?
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Ed - London 31/7/12, Amsterdam 27/5/17 + 30/5/17, London 6/6/17 + 7/6/17
There were a few venues with multiple price tiers (I think Baltimore was a $10 difference between P1/pit and P2), so we'd probably still have that option, so, you'd probably be able to select the tier(s) you're most comfortable paying for, though that might reduce your chances of getting a ticket.
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But then Weezer couldnt come across to the Uk and sell out the 02 or a festival day at Hyde park. They remain a solid club band and one I love to go and see. Id argue the Pumpkins are probably still a reasonable arena band, but I think their popularity days are well behind them. When it comes to selling tickets I strongly feel that PJ have them both schooled in the UK
I hear more negative things about PJ than I do Weezer or SP. Maybe that's because I pay more attention to it or because I am part of that die hard crowd I draw that conversation more. But there is a lot of negativity associated with PJ that I don't necessarily hear about other similar bands.