Ticket prices. This is not for you (the fans).

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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,631
    I’m keeping my membership active for one reason the farewell tour it’s 35$ for year not a big deal! The disappointment is with the band signing off on the premium seat, it really cuts into the fans that can attend the shows. Remember that MSG show when Ed stated how many 10C fans were in attendance didn’t he say something like 5k were present? I wonder how many 10C members will actually be there for these shows in September 
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  • gettingright
    gettingright Posts: 550
    LiveAtLeeds said:
    southp said:
    What's missing in all of this is the counter-argument to inflation is that the entire music industry has been turned on it's head since PJ vs. Ticketmaster.  The artists are probably making a fraction on their albums/streams compared to what it was with CD sales in the 90's. Over the last several years concert prices have increased because this is now the primary money-maker for bands.  

    Not saying I love paying $149 USD for 10C tix, but just trying to look at the how things have change.  As for "PJ Premium at $900"... that's a whole other story.
    Completely fair point. But it's going to be a lot more expensive for them to play to 15k people in 60k seater stadium which is what it's looking like in London. I guarantee if tickets were 110 it would have almost sold out by now. 120 and it would be 3 quarters gone. 160 is just so much for their appeal in this market that the general public are just not having it.
    And, also there are plenty of bands that tour and play venues from as low as 200 to 2,000 that charge between $20-40 ticket that make even less on streams, and they seem to make it work. 
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  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,314
    whoYouAre21 said:
    SHZA said:
    KidAOK said:
    It's really disappointing to see fans making excuses for the inexcusable.
    Selling your product for what the market will bear is inexcusable?

    "Selling your product for what the market will bear": sounds like the right philosophy for a band who wrote a song called Green Disease.
    Hypocrisy, ok. But inexcusable? 
  • TN49724
    TN49724 Posts: 105
    edited February 2024
    The saddest part about the complaining is that the band does not care.  Not one bit.  They are wealthy beyond their wildest imaginations.  These are not the same youthful rebels everyone fell for 30 years ago.  
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  • AlaG
    AlaG Brookline, MA Posts: 979
    edited February 2024
    gettingright said:
    LiveAtLeeds said:
    southp said:
    What's missing in all of this is the counter-argument to inflation is that the entire music industry has been turned on it's head since PJ vs. Ticketmaster.  The artists are probably making a fraction on their albums/streams compared to what it was with CD sales in the 90's. Over the last several years concert prices have increased because this is now the primary money-maker for bands.  

    Not saying I love paying $149 USD for 10C tix, but just trying to look at the how things have change.  As for "PJ Premium at $900"... that's a whole other story.
    Completely fair point. But it's going to be a lot more expensive for them to play to 15k people in 60k seater stadium which is what it's looking like in London. I guarantee if tickets were 110 it would have almost sold out by now. 120 and it would be 3 quarters gone. 160 is just so much for their appeal in this market that the general public are just not having it.
    And, also there are plenty of bands that tour and play venues from as low as 200 to 2,000 that charge between $20-40 ticket that make even less on streams, and they seem to make it work. 
    Bands doing this are basically paying to tour. They're not making it work unless they're a solo act or have really excellent merch lol.
  • on2legs
    on2legs Posts: 15,966
    These "premium" ticket prices were happening no matter what.  If the best seats in the house were priced at $175 they would have all been grabbed by people with connections and bots and then posted at premium prices on the resale market.  People are dreaming if they think they were going to drop into the Ticketmaster online sale at 10am and grab 2 floor seats for cheap.  They would be gone long before you had a chance to get them in your cart.  PJ Premium is just transferring the markup from a scalper to the band.  If someone is going to get that money it should be the band. 
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  • KidAOK
    KidAOK Posts: 118
    SHZA said:
    KidAOK said:
    It's really disappointing to see fans making excuses for the inexcusable.
    Selling your product for what the market will bear is inexcusable? 
    A close to 70% increase (I think I have that number right) in ticket prices since their last European tour is inexcusable.  And the market is clearly telling us it's too expensive.
  • PJ and Dylan are my muse
    PJ and Dylan are my muse Posts: 218
    Left out of all this pricing discourse is that, let's be honest, the shows are about 20-30%% shorter then they traditionally were through 2018.  Just a few examples of # of songs: 2018 Wrigley 32/29, 2023 Chi UC 24/24, 2018 London 27/33, 2022 Imola/London 22, 2022 Nashville 23. 

    2024 prices are 45% higher then 2018 & 2x higher then 2016. 

    I think this will be their last big worldwide tour; as the promotion seems to be everywhere for this album.
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  • AlaG
    AlaG Brookline, MA Posts: 979
    PJ and Dylan are my muse said:
    Left out of all this pricing discourse is that, let's be honest, the shows are about 20-30%% shorter then they traditionally were through 2018.  Just a few examples of # of songs: 2018 Wrigley 32/29, 2023 Chi UC 24/24, 2018 London 27/33, 2022 Imola/London 22, 2022 Nashville 23. 

    2024 prices are 45% higher then 2018 & 2x higher then 2016. 

    I think this will be their last big worldwide tour; as the promotion seems to be everywhere for this album.
    But also FWIW the band has been performing at a level I wasn't seeing when they were doing 3 1/2 hour shows. Maybe I've just been lucky in picking shows but to me the difference is noticeable.
  • on2legs
    on2legs Posts: 15,966
    PJ and Dylan are my muse said:
    Left out of all this pricing discourse is that, let's be honest, the shows are about 20-30%% shorter then they traditionally were through 2018.  Just a few examples of # of songs: 2018 Wrigley 32/29, 2023 Chi UC 24/24, 2018 London 27/33, 2022 Imola/London 22, 2022 Nashville 23. 

    2024 prices are 45% higher then 2018 & 2x higher then 2016. 

    I think this will be their last big worldwide tour; as the promotion seems to be everywhere for this album.

    Maybe the last maybe not.  I remember in 2006 thinking the band was probably near the end.  Yet here we are in 2024.  :rock_on:
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  • kmcmanus
    kmcmanus Posts: 893
    whoYouAre21 said:
    The thought that the band does not have control over these prices or does not approve of them is naive. I am still shelling out and going to Wrigley, but it's quite clear that they have lost touch with their principles and the portion of their fanbase that is not wealthy. In 94, when they were trying to keep prices to 18 bucks ($31 in today's dollars) they were one of the biggest bands in the world. They were choosing to leave money on the table because it was the right thing to do. And I know they spoke specifically about the portion of their fans who were teenagers. And yeah those fans are middle aged now but it doesn't mean they can all pay 175 a ticket, let alone 800 for a "premium" seat. Pearl Jam no longer cares about those fans. I still like the band, but it's pretty disappointing.
    Has it occurred to you that 2 years of spotty shows at “venues” they had to
    basically build themselves maybe played a role in them STOPPING being one of the biggest bands in the world? Or that if they didn’t have the clout to change things when they WERE that big then they definitely don’t now?
    They tried. They lost resoundingly. And yet people get mad they aren’t signing up to do it again.
  • kmcmanus
    kmcmanus Posts: 893
    KidAOK said:
    SHZA said:
    KidAOK said:
    It's really disappointing to see fans making excuses for the inexcusable.
    Selling your product for what the market will bear is inexcusable? 
    A close to 70% increase (I think I have that number right) in ticket prices since their last European tour is inexcusable.  And the market is clearly telling us it's too expensive.
    Their last European tour was sold in January 2020 despite being performed in ‘22. I wonder if anything notable happened in the world in that 4 years? If those shows had been sold in ‘22 they would have been higher. So the whole “doubled in only 2 years” thing is lacking some nuance.
  • NewJPage
    NewJPage Posts: 3,320
    Had 2 seats in the 200 level for Wrigley pulled and couldn't do it. Not paying $350+ for bad seats in a bad venue for a 2 hour show. Whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,903
    I'm out too. This is no longer for me. It stinks. 
    I won't be renewing. And won't be going to any shows. They totally misread the room. Sad times


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  • Wolf359
    Wolf359 Posts: 102
    kmcmanus said:
    whoYouAre21 said:
    The thought that the band does not have control over these prices or does not approve of them is naive. I am still shelling out and going to Wrigley, but it's quite clear that they have lost touch with their principles and the portion of their fanbase that is not wealthy. In 94, when they were trying to keep prices to 18 bucks ($31 in today's dollars) they were one of the biggest bands in the world. They were choosing to leave money on the table because it was the right thing to do. And I know they spoke specifically about the portion of their fans who were teenagers. And yeah those fans are middle aged now but it doesn't mean they can all pay 175 a ticket, let alone 800 for a "premium" seat. Pearl Jam no longer cares about those fans. I still like the band, but it's pretty disappointing.
    Has it occurred to you that 2 years of spotty shows at “venues” they had to
    basically build themselves maybe played a role in them STOPPING being one of the biggest bands in the world? Or that if they didn’t have the clout to change things when they WERE that big then they definitely don’t now?
    They tried. They lost resoundingly. And yet people get mad they aren’t signing up to do it again.

    I dont think anyone is asking them to take on TM again like in the mid 90s. But it'd be nice if they got rid of platinums/premiums like The Cure did. It's in their control.
  • Leezestarr313
    Leezestarr313 Temple of the cat Posts: 14,444
    I found the prices shocking, I checked back to the tickets in my account, and in 2016 I would have gotten 4 for the price of 2 now. Touring has always been exciting but also always a strain on the wallet. Everything is more expensive doesn't mean everybody also gets paid more. I am happy we get to see them three more times but this then may have been it.
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  • KidAOK
    KidAOK Posts: 118
    kmcmanus said:
    KidAOK said:
    SHZA said:
    KidAOK said:
    It's really disappointing to see fans making excuses for the inexcusable.
    Selling your product for what the market will bear is inexcusable? 
    A close to 70% increase (I think I have that number right) in ticket prices since their last European tour is inexcusable.  And the market is clearly telling us it's too expensive.
    Their last European tour was sold in January 2020 despite being performed in ‘22. I wonder if anything notable happened in the world in that 4 years? If those shows had been sold in ‘22 they would have been higher. So the whole “doubled in only 2 years” thing is lacking some nuance.
    Why are you quoting the doubled in only 2 years when I didn't even mention that?

    I'll remove the nuance.  A show priced in 2020 being close to 70% more expensive 4 years later is inexcusable even though you are trying.
  • whoYouAre21
    whoYouAre21 Posts: 17
    kmcmanus said:
    whoYouAre21 said:
    The thought that the band does not have control over these prices or does not approve of them is naive. I am still shelling out and going to Wrigley, but it's quite clear that they have lost touch with their principles and the portion of their fanbase that is not wealthy. In 94, when they were trying to keep prices to 18 bucks ($31 in today's dollars) they were one of the biggest bands in the world. They were choosing to leave money on the table because it was the right thing to do. And I know they spoke specifically about the portion of their fans who were teenagers. And yeah those fans are middle aged now but it doesn't mean they can all pay 175 a ticket, let alone 800 for a "premium" seat. Pearl Jam no longer cares about those fans. I still like the band, but it's pretty disappointing.
    Has it occurred to you that 2 years of spotty shows at “venues” they had to
    basically build themselves maybe played a role in them STOPPING being one of the biggest bands in the world? Or that if they didn’t have the clout to change things when they WERE that big then they definitely don’t now?
    They tried. They lost resoundingly. And yet people get mad they aren’t signing up to do it again.
    It has occurred to me, dude. I'm not asking them to go on some crusade. I've seen them at Ticketmaster venues since 98 with typically fairly reasonable prices. This is different. It's a cash grab.
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    chrisdrake88 said:
    mace1229 said:
    $200 probably is normal for a band of this caliber. Obviously there are lots of well known bands you can see for less. But the trend is to charge more for shows, and people are willing to do it.
    Honestly, who here wouldn't?
    Would anyone here open a restaurant, sell out every single night, have huge demand, and not raise prices when you are turning away customers every day? Or make a little extra money so your kids can continue the same lifestyle you've given them even after you're gone? The price sucks, but I don't blame them for it. 

    The ticket sales speak volumes. $200 in America might be acceptable, but £160 in London definitely isn't.
    And if thats the case, my guess is bands will stop touring over seas. Why do all that travel and added expess of traveling over seas for half the pay?
  • Abe Froman
    Abe Froman Posts: 5,379
    The prices are ridiculous. It’s really hard to defend PJ here knowing what they’ve stood for all these years. They have changed. Pearl Jam is a brand now. Other than the make up Indy show which I already have tickets for, I too am sadly sitting this tour out. I didn’t think I would ever be typing this. So many things have added up slowly and has dampened my excitement about PJ. 

    Here’s a few:
    - ticket prices
    - no more fan club t or vinyl
    - much shorter shows
    - the insane merch frenzy and lines
    - shipping prices through 10c
    - vinyl price of Dark Matter

    I get the “reasons” behind most of this and the band has certainly earned the right to do whatever they want but it doesn’t change the fact of how some of us feel that have been here since the beginning. It bums me out. I do love the new single and I’m excited to hear the rest of Dark Matter but I can’t help all the negative feelings I’ve been having surrounding my favorite band of all time. 

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