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    SHZASHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 3,603
    edited February 23
    AlaG said:
    SHZA said:
    Not defending it because the whole thing is gross but I think part of this is bands are starting to say screw it we are charging x and we are getting the money instead of charging $90 lets say and some other person is taking that ticket and charging $180. Theya re almost trying to outprice the resale market in a way. 
    Absolutely. Why should a ticket broker who does nothing but flips make more money than the actual artist? 
    I think a lot of artists have begun thinking this way. I think what they need to figure out though is does it just set the prices even higher for regular people? Apparently for some folks there is no upper limit folks are willing to pay.
    That is the basic idea behind platinum/premium - the artist selling tickets at the approximate price they would sell for on the secondary market. And if they can sell 10% of the tickets at the platinum price, why not expand it to 20%? Or increase the prices of standard tickets for regular fans? Otherwise, they are leaving money on the table. The downside is that charging too much comes off as greedy and alienates the fans as we can see from the comments 
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    bigbiggzybigbiggzy Posts: 721
    Yeah - I’ve heard similar stories. 
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    KM155315KM155315 Posts: 16
    I’m done.

    Our loyalty is now just a cash grab.

    £160 for a single ticket is just a joke. I laughed and closed the Ticketmaster page.

    The comments under the PJ Facebook advert are a sobering read for the band and management.






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    bigbiggzybigbiggzy Posts: 721
    It’s not on the band. It’s an entire industry.
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    bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,714
    I'm amazed that people won't spend $200 on a band they love.  What do they have?  10 albums?  You paid an average of $10 per CD.  So you've gotten decades of enjoyment out of music for the low price of $100, but by god, we can't be bothered to pay another $200 to see them live?  You've gotten a damn bargain based on the enjoyment you've received to the cash you've paid for their music.  I assume there is enjoyment because you like the band enough to join their fan club and post on their message board.  
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    AlaGAlaG Brookline, MA Posts: 886
    I'm amazed that people won't spend $200 on a band they love.  What do they have?  10 albums?  You paid an average of $10 per CD.  So you've gotten decades of enjoyment out of music for the low price of $100, but by god, we can't be bothered to pay another $200 to see them live?  You've gotten a damn bargain based on the enjoyment you've received to the cash you've paid for their music.  I assume there is enjoyment because you like the band enough to join their fan club and post on their message board.  
    I'd love to pay $200 a ticket at Madison Square Garden. Where can I do that?
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    KidAOKKidAOK Posts: 101
    I'm amazed that people won't spend $200 on a band they love.  What do they have?  10 albums?  You paid an average of $10 per CD.  So you've gotten decades of enjoyment out of music for the low price of $100, but by god, we can't be bothered to pay another $200 to see them live?  You've gotten a damn bargain based on the enjoyment you've received to the cash you've paid for their music.  I assume there is enjoyment because you like the band enough to join their fan club and post on their message board.  
    Cant be bothered to pay?

    I'm amazed you can simplify it like that when it's anything but that simple.  Financially I can afford this tour, my grievance with the prices is for others that aren't so lucky.  All I have is sympathy for those that can't afford to see the band they love, it sucks.
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    devonfzdevonfz Posts: 159
    i think it reflects the reality of our world... the middle class is falling further behind with inflation and the well off are doing really well and there are a lot of really well off people with basically unlimited cash for concerts travel etc: pricing for everything like tickets reflects that

    if they actually sold tickets at say 100 bucks the demand would be so insane the resale markets would make up for the low prices it just wouldn't work ... they sell the tickets at the going market rate

    plus with the ga and still really good fan club seats they still take care of most of us ... but the fan club is huge and there is still way more demand than supply can fill

    and even in the pj world so many fans and members have that unlimited cash to travel and see multiple shows... at basically any price I'm doing pretty good so I treat myself to three or four if possible but even then remember denver 2022 was basically impossible to get a ticket under 500 so skipped that one

    but I feel for everyone maybe struggling or not in that position to spend.. 
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    bigbiggzybigbiggzy Posts: 721
    edited February 23
    I'm amazed that people won't spend $200 on a band they love.  What do they have?  10 albums?  You paid an average of $10 per CD.  So you've gotten decades of enjoyment out of music for the low price of $100, but by god, we can't be bothered to pay another $200 to see them live?  You've gotten a damn bargain based on the enjoyment you've received to the cash you've paid for their music.  I assume there is enjoyment because you like the band enough to join their fan club and post on their message board.  
    Ha - $200 is a bargain. I think folks are taking issue with the dynamic pricing that TM pushes / uses.  

    To PJ and 10 Club’s credit - they do genuinely try to take care of folks. Sometimes you win - sometimes you lose.

    Case in point - I won FANTASTIC seats for Philly night 1. ZERO COMPLAINTS. On the floor - 2nd row just behind GA. (Stoked!!!)

    Those same 2 seats would’ve cost me close to $2 K through TM for the Baltimore show. 

    In fact - any ticket outside of the rafters near the back/ top were well above $200 a ticket. 
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    Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 90
    SHZA said:
    AlaG said:
    SHZA said:
    Not defending it because the whole thing is gross but I think part of this is bands are starting to say screw it we are charging x and we are getting the money instead of charging $90 lets say and some other person is taking that ticket and charging $180. Theya re almost trying to outprice the resale market in a way. 
    Absolutely. Why should a ticket broker who does nothing but flips make more money than the actual artist? 
    I think a lot of artists have begun thinking this way. I think what they need to figure out though is does it just set the prices even higher for regular people? Apparently for some folks there is no upper limit folks are willing to pay.
    That is the basic idea behind platinum/premium - the artist selling tickets at the approximate price they would sell for on the secondary market. And if they can sell 10% of the tickets at the platinum price, why not expand it to 20%? Or increase the prices of standard tickets for regular fans? Otherwise, they are leaving money on the table. The downside is that charging too much comes off as greedy and alienates the fans as we can see from the comments 

    right, the artist should absolutely be the ones taking the money vs resellers taking it on the secondary market. 
    But, when you have a situation where there is F2F resale only, which effectively shutsdown the secondary market, then why still charge premiums/platinums?

    (Yes, I know that professional scalpers can still get around no transfer option, but it still is a very small portion of the secondary market compared to when Transfer is enabled).
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    ShibariShibari Posts: 14
    bigbiggzy said:
    It’s not on the band. It’s an entire industry.
    the band that stands against the industry. the band that sued for affordable tickets. the band that denounced commercialism. the band that claims to stand up for those who have no voice. the band that has gotten along well without Ticketmaster in the past. the band that once had credibility. They have sacrificed nothing else here. They have also become part of the monster that they have accused for so long. I would prefer they retire immediately
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    Vedd HeddVedd Hedd Posts: 4,575
    TIcket prices in the 90s were like 20 bucks, but I could not afford them then.  

    Going to a concert has always been a luxury item. 
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    Indifference71Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,795
    estarr31 said:
    This what a lot of Bruce fans complained about last Winter too. I'm not really sure how much control the band has in this. Would love to learn more about the ticketmaster process. 
    They have a lot of control. The "Platinum/Premium" is something that can be turned on or off. And pricing is up to them. I appreciate the no resale over face, which again is an option any artist can make. Based on other recent LA shows, the $185 for floor/lowers is fine. For me it's the pricing of the seats way up in the rafters. I got Verified Fan for one of the LA shows and the top of the Forum is not selling. I don't blame people for not wanting to pay $176 for uppers. 
    Yep.  And this is in an arena.  Selling tickets to these Euro stadium shows for $160-170 for horrible seats where you'll be staring at a screen the whole show is insane.  Will be interesting to see if they adjust the prices.  
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    estarr31estarr31 Posts: 574
    bigbiggzy said:
    It’s not on the band. It’s an entire industry.
    Exactly. I don't blame PJ at all for this tour. Doing so is missing the forest for the trees. 
    They are more of a brand now. But yeah...welcome to 2024. Every legacy act is. There's not much of an alternative option here. They dont have to hold 10C tix at all. Bands dont make money with music sales anymore. They make it via touring and merch. And that's been obvious to any fan who has gone to a show in the past 10+ years. 
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    estarr31estarr31 Posts: 574
    AlaG said:
    I'm amazed that people won't spend $200 on a band they love.  What do they have?  10 albums?  You paid an average of $10 per CD.  So you've gotten decades of enjoyment out of music for the low price of $100, but by god, we can't be bothered to pay another $200 to see them live?  You've gotten a damn bargain based on the enjoyment you've received to the cash you've paid for their music.  I assume there is enjoyment because you like the band enough to join their fan club and post on their message board.  
    I'd love to pay $200 a ticket at Madison Square Garden. Where can I do that?
    your chance was last week
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    ShibariShibari Posts: 14
    Shibari said:
    bigbiggzy said:
    It’s not on the band. It’s an entire industry.
    the band that stands against the industry. the band that sued for affordable tickets. the band that denounced commercialism. the band that claims to stand up for those who have no voice. the band that has gotten along well without Ticketmaster in the past. the band that once had credibility. They have sacrificed nothing else here. They have also become part of the monster that they have accused for so long. I would prefer they retire immediately
    It's not primarily about the cost of a ticket. 2022 Berlin was already expensive at 130 euros. I could afford several shows on this tour and no one expects you to get a ticket for €25 like I did in 2000. It's about what the band once stood for, their ideals and ours. and then you can't work with ticketmaster and not become a criminal yourself. tm hasn't gotten any better since the lawsuit and pj now going to bed with you destroys your credibility. They won't care...they benefit from the system they have denounced for years
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    bigbiggzybigbiggzy Posts: 721
    edited February 23
    I still have ticket stubs from 98, 2000, early 2000s. Times have definitely changed.

    But apples to apples…10Club priced seats are still moderate. Especially compared to other bands of PJ’s caliber and stature.

    You can’t blame the band for living/playing/touring in 2024. And again - TM is the primary culprit when it comes to the price gouging/dynamic pricing. (Humble .02)
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    SHZASHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 3,603
    edited February 23
    Wolf359 said:
    SHZA said:
    AlaG said:
    SHZA said:
    Not defending it because the whole thing is gross but I think part of this is bands are starting to say screw it we are charging x and we are getting the money instead of charging $90 lets say and some other person is taking that ticket and charging $180. Theya re almost trying to outprice the resale market in a way. 
    Absolutely. Why should a ticket broker who does nothing but flips make more money than the actual artist? 
    I think a lot of artists have begun thinking this way. I think what they need to figure out though is does it just set the prices even higher for regular people? Apparently for some folks there is no upper limit folks are willing to pay.
    That is the basic idea behind platinum/premium - the artist selling tickets at the approximate price they would sell for on the secondary market. And if they can sell 10% of the tickets at the platinum price, why not expand it to 20%? Or increase the prices of standard tickets for regular fans? Otherwise, they are leaving money on the table. The downside is that charging too much comes off as greedy and alienates the fans as we can see from the comments 

    right, the artist should absolutely be the ones taking the money vs resellers taking it on the secondary market. 
    But, when you have a situation where there is F2F resale only, which effectively shutsdown the secondary market, then why still charge premiums/platinums?

    (Yes, I know that professional scalpers can still get around no transfer option, but it still is a very small portion of the secondary market compared to when Transfer is enabled).
    Last year the company line was that premium subsidizes other tickets, i.e., by making an extra $500 (or whatever) on 10% of the tickets, they can reduce the price of the remaining tickets. Without premium, maybe the standard price would be $250, and people would surely bitch about that. Since people find the current standard pricing unpalatable, maybe they should sell even more premiums and reduce the base price of the other tickets, but then fewer people would get face-value tickets in the lottery, etc.

    The thing I find most baffling about PJ's pricing model is charging basically the same for the best and worst seats. Having a range of prices would go a long way to addressing these complaints. People who don't want to spend a fortune could get a ticket for $50-100. Tickets in the pit or close to the stage would have to be more (but still well below typical platinum prices), but plenty of fans would still jump on it. Similar to pricing for some sporting events, e.g. MLB. Some well-off fans or corporate season ticket holders will shell out big bucks for a luxury experience. Other fans want a more affordable experience. There's a price point for everyone. If the team charged the same price for the fourth deck as for seats behind home plate, the upper deck would be empty every game. That's basically what we're seeing with these european ticket sales.  


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    estarr31estarr31 Posts: 574
    SHZA said:
    Wolf359 said:
    SHZA said:
    AlaG said:
    SHZA said:
    Not defending it because the whole thing is gross but I think part of this is bands are starting to say screw it we are charging x and we are getting the money instead of charging $90 lets say and some other person is taking that ticket and charging $180. Theya re almost trying to outprice the resale market in a way. 
    Absolutely. Why should a ticket broker who does nothing but flips make more money than the actual artist? 
    I think a lot of artists have begun thinking this way. I think what they need to figure out though is does it just set the prices even higher for regular people? Apparently for some folks there is no upper limit folks are willing to pay.
    That is the basic idea behind platinum/premium - the artist selling tickets at the approximate price they would sell for on the secondary market. And if they can sell 10% of the tickets at the platinum price, why not expand it to 20%? Or increase the prices of standard tickets for regular fans? Otherwise, they are leaving money on the table. The downside is that charging too much comes off as greedy and alienates the fans as we can see from the comments 

    right, the artist should absolutely be the ones taking the money vs resellers taking it on the secondary market. 
    But, when you have a situation where there is F2F resale only, which effectively shutsdown the secondary market, then why still charge premiums/platinums?

    (Yes, I know that professional scalpers can still get around no transfer option, but it still is a very small portion of the secondary market compared to when Transfer is enabled).
    Last year the company line was that premium subsidizes other tickets, i.e., by making an extra $500 (or whatever) on 10% of the tickets, they can reduce the price of the remaining tickets. Without premium, maybe the standard price would be $250, and people would surely bitch about that. Since people find the current standard pricing unpalatable, maybe they should sell even more premiums and reduce the base price of the other tickets, but then fewer people would get face-value tickets in the lottery, etc.

    The thing I find most baffling about PJ's pricing model is charging basically the same for the best and worst seats. Having a range of prices would go a long way to addressing these complaints. People who don't want to spend a fortune could get a ticket for $50-100. Tickets in the pit or close to the stage would have to be more (but still well below typical platinum prices), but plenty of fans would still jump on it. Similar to pricing for some sporting events, e.g. MLB. Some well-off fans or corporate season ticket holders will shell out big bucks for a luxury experience. Other fans want a more affordable experience. There's a price point for everyone. If the team charged the same price for the fourth deck as for seats behind home plate, the upper deck would be empty every game. That's basically what we're seeing with these european ticket sales.  


    The prices are subsidized for all 10C tix. But this is not a bad idea. Charge more for GA, Res 1, and less for Res 2. Hell, add a Res 3 to split some of the latter two up. You can balance these offsets within 10C structure without going to platinum tix. 
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    AlaGAlaG Brookline, MA Posts: 886
    estarr31 said:
    AlaG said:
    I'm amazed that people won't spend $200 on a band they love.  What do they have?  10 albums?  You paid an average of $10 per CD.  So you've gotten decades of enjoyment out of music for the low price of $100, but by god, we can't be bothered to pay another $200 to see them live?  You've gotten a damn bargain based on the enjoyment you've received to the cash you've paid for their music.  I assume there is enjoyment because you like the band enough to join their fan club and post on their message board.  
    I'd love to pay $200 a ticket at Madison Square Garden. Where can I do that?
    your chance was last week
    Ah. I missed the part where people were whining about the base price of 10C tickets and not Pearl Jam Premium.
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    ZodZod Posts: 10,440
    I dunno.  I pay more amounts to see some other bands, a little less for some others.  PJ prices seem in the ballpark for veteran rock acts.

    They tried to fight ticketmaster 31 years ago now? They lost. lol.  

    To me the hotel for 3 nights costs more than the tickets for 2 shows.  Lets rage against the drastically increased prices of hotels :)
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    estarr31estarr31 Posts: 574
    AlaG said:
    estarr31 said:
    AlaG said:
    I'm amazed that people won't spend $200 on a band they love.  What do they have?  10 albums?  You paid an average of $10 per CD.  So you've gotten decades of enjoyment out of music for the low price of $100, but by god, we can't be bothered to pay another $200 to see them live?  You've gotten a damn bargain based on the enjoyment you've received to the cash you've paid for their music.  I assume there is enjoyment because you like the band enough to join their fan club and post on their message board.  
    I'd love to pay $200 a ticket at Madison Square Garden. Where can I do that?
    your chance was last week
    Ah. I missed the part where people were whining about the base price of 10C tickets and not Pearl Jam Premium.
    fair
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    RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,152
    I was curious so I looked back.


    A 10c ticket in September 2023 was $162.05 usd (Austin), a ticket this time to Vancouver 2024 in usd is $154.81

    Not actually that horrible to me at least.  When they tour nowadays, I pick a city I haven’t been to yet where they’re playing multiple nights, and I make a 4 or 5 day trip out of it for my wife and I. Long gone are the days where multiple cities are doable.  I just don’t have the funds or time for that stuff anymore, and the trip becomes 60% about a long weekend away with my wife and 40% PJ. 

    Not going to get rid of my membership, but it does have a sad sort of feeling to it to me, realizing that one of the reasons I followed this band and these guys for much of my life is gone now that they have $850 premium tickets.  Kind of feels shitty.
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    marumarukomarumaruko Frankfurt / Calgary Posts: 204
    KidAOK said:
    kmcmanus said:
    KidAOK said:
    SHZA said:
    KidAOK said:
    It's really disappointing to see fans making excuses for the inexcusable.
    Selling your product for what the market will bear is inexcusable? 
    A close to 70% increase (I think I have that number right) in ticket prices since their last European tour is inexcusable.  And the market is clearly telling us it's too expensive.
    Their last European tour was sold in January 2020 despite being performed in ‘22. I wonder if anything notable happened in the world in that 4 years? If those shows had been sold in ‘22 they would have been higher. So the whole “doubled in only 2 years” thing is lacking some nuance.
    Why are you quoting the doubled in only 2 years when I didn't even mention that?

    I'll remove the nuance.  A show priced in 2020 being close to 70% more expensive 4 years later is inexcusable even though you are trying.
    Besides that, prices in Europe are just different for artists like PJ. They are not Taylor Swift or Adele. They'll come back next time and charge a 100 Euro like they should. 
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    JD87070JD87070 Posts: 179
    JimmyV said:
    The registered-only sale bothers me more than the ticket prices this time around. 
    Why? All that does is keeps TM’s system from being overloaded when they know they will have high demand on-sales. Yes it means you have to get lucky in the lottery to get in right at first, but overall it helps the process.
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    Vedd HeddVedd Hedd Posts: 4,575
    JD87070 said:
    JimmyV said:
    The registered-only sale bothers me more than the ticket prices this time around. 
    Why? All that does is keeps TM’s system from being overloaded when they know they will have high demand on-sales. Yes it means you have to get lucky in the lottery to get in right at first, but overall it helps the process.
    Agreed, its either this or the internet crashes for a day and bots get all the tickets. 
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    Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 90
    estarr31 said:
    SHZA said:
    Wolf359 said:
    SHZA said:
    AlaG said:
    SHZA said:
    Not defending it because the whole thing is gross but I think part of this is bands are starting to say screw it we are charging x and we are getting the money instead of charging $90 lets say and some other person is taking that ticket and charging $180. Theya re almost trying to outprice the resale market in a way. 
    Absolutely. Why should a ticket broker who does nothing but flips make more money than the actual artist? 
    I think a lot of artists have begun thinking this way. I think what they need to figure out though is does it just set the prices even higher for regular people? Apparently for some folks there is no upper limit folks are willing to pay.
    That is the basic idea behind platinum/premium - the artist selling tickets at the approximate price they would sell for on the secondary market. And if they can sell 10% of the tickets at the platinum price, why not expand it to 20%? Or increase the prices of standard tickets for regular fans? Otherwise, they are leaving money on the table. The downside is that charging too much comes off as greedy and alienates the fans as we can see from the comments 

    right, the artist should absolutely be the ones taking the money vs resellers taking it on the secondary market. 
    But, when you have a situation where there is F2F resale only, which effectively shutsdown the secondary market, then why still charge premiums/platinums?

    (Yes, I know that professional scalpers can still get around no transfer option, but it still is a very small portion of the secondary market compared to when Transfer is enabled).
    Last year the company line was that premium subsidizes other tickets, i.e., by making an extra $500 (or whatever) on 10% of the tickets, they can reduce the price of the remaining tickets. Without premium, maybe the standard price would be $250, and people would surely bitch about that. Since people find the current standard pricing unpalatable, maybe they should sell even more premiums and reduce the base price of the other tickets, but then fewer people would get face-value tickets in the lottery, etc.

    The thing I find most baffling about PJ's pricing model is charging basically the same for the best and worst seats. Having a range of prices would go a long way to addressing these complaints. People who don't want to spend a fortune could get a ticket for $50-100. Tickets in the pit or close to the stage would have to be more (but still well below typical platinum prices), but plenty of fans would still jump on it. Similar to pricing for some sporting events, e.g. MLB. Some well-off fans or corporate season ticket holders will shell out big bucks for a luxury experience. Other fans want a more affordable experience. There's a price point for everyone. If the team charged the same price for the fourth deck as for seats behind home plate, the upper deck would be empty every game. That's basically what we're seeing with these european ticket sales.  


    The prices are subsidized for all 10C tix. But this is not a bad idea. Charge more for GA, Res 1, and less for Res 2. Hell, add a Res 3 to split some of the latter two up. You can balance these offsets within 10C structure without going to platinum tix. 
     Yes I agree with all of this. If 10C tix are subsidized by PJ premium, then charge more for the coveted GAs and lowers. And less for the nosebleeds. GAs already insanely expensive on the secondary market (where legal). 
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    Wolf359 said:
    estarr31 said:
    SHZA said:
    Wolf359 said:
    SHZA said:
    AlaG said:
    SHZA said:
    Not defending it because the whole thing is gross but I think part of this is bands are starting to say screw it we are charging x and we are getting the money instead of charging $90 lets say and some other person is taking that ticket and charging $180. Theya re almost trying to outprice the resale market in a way. 
    Absolutely. Why should a ticket broker who does nothing but flips make more money than the actual artist? 
    I think a lot of artists have begun thinking this way. I think what they need to figure out though is does it just set the prices even higher for regular people? Apparently for some folks there is no upper limit folks are willing to pay.
    That is the basic idea behind platinum/premium - the artist selling tickets at the approximate price they would sell for on the secondary market. And if they can sell 10% of the tickets at the platinum price, why not expand it to 20%? Or increase the prices of standard tickets for regular fans? Otherwise, they are leaving money on the table. The downside is that charging too much comes off as greedy and alienates the fans as we can see from the comments 

    right, the artist should absolutely be the ones taking the money vs resellers taking it on the secondary market. 
    But, when you have a situation where there is F2F resale only, which effectively shutsdown the secondary market, then why still charge premiums/platinums?

    (Yes, I know that professional scalpers can still get around no transfer option, but it still is a very small portion of the secondary market compared to when Transfer is enabled).
    Last year the company line was that premium subsidizes other tickets, i.e., by making an extra $500 (or whatever) on 10% of the tickets, they can reduce the price of the remaining tickets. Without premium, maybe the standard price would be $250, and people would surely bitch about that. Since people find the current standard pricing unpalatable, maybe they should sell even more premiums and reduce the base price of the other tickets, but then fewer people would get face-value tickets in the lottery, etc.

    The thing I find most baffling about PJ's pricing model is charging basically the same for the best and worst seats. Having a range of prices would go a long way to addressing these complaints. People who don't want to spend a fortune could get a ticket for $50-100. Tickets in the pit or close to the stage would have to be more (but still well below typical platinum prices), but plenty of fans would still jump on it. Similar to pricing for some sporting events, e.g. MLB. Some well-off fans or corporate season ticket holders will shell out big bucks for a luxury experience. Other fans want a more affordable experience. There's a price point for everyone. If the team charged the same price for the fourth deck as for seats behind home plate, the upper deck would be empty every game. That's basically what we're seeing with these european ticket sales.  


    The prices are subsidized for all 10C tix. But this is not a bad idea. Charge more for GA, Res 1, and less for Res 2. Hell, add a Res 3 to split some of the latter two up. You can balance these offsets within 10C structure without going to platinum tix. 
     Yes I agree with all of this. If 10C tix are subsidized by PJ premium, then charge more for the coveted GAs and lowers. And less for the nosebleeds. GAs already insanely expensive on the secondary market (where legal). 
    thats all fine, but you know people will riot over the increased costs for GA. thats a guarantee. any kind of change like that would receive massive backlash
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    SHZASHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 3,603
    edited February 23
    Wolf359 said:
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    Not defending it because the whole thing is gross but I think part of this is bands are starting to say screw it we are charging x and we are getting the money instead of charging $90 lets say and some other person is taking that ticket and charging $180. Theya re almost trying to outprice the resale market in a way. 
    Absolutely. Why should a ticket broker who does nothing but flips make more money than the actual artist? 
    I think a lot of artists have begun thinking this way. I think what they need to figure out though is does it just set the prices even higher for regular people? Apparently for some folks there is no upper limit folks are willing to pay.
    That is the basic idea behind platinum/premium - the artist selling tickets at the approximate price they would sell for on the secondary market. And if they can sell 10% of the tickets at the platinum price, why not expand it to 20%? Or increase the prices of standard tickets for regular fans? Otherwise, they are leaving money on the table. The downside is that charging too much comes off as greedy and alienates the fans as we can see from the comments 

    right, the artist should absolutely be the ones taking the money vs resellers taking it on the secondary market. 
    But, when you have a situation where there is F2F resale only, which effectively shutsdown the secondary market, then why still charge premiums/platinums?

    (Yes, I know that professional scalpers can still get around no transfer option, but it still is a very small portion of the secondary market compared to when Transfer is enabled).
    Last year the company line was that premium subsidizes other tickets, i.e., by making an extra $500 (or whatever) on 10% of the tickets, they can reduce the price of the remaining tickets. Without premium, maybe the standard price would be $250, and people would surely bitch about that. Since people find the current standard pricing unpalatable, maybe they should sell even more premiums and reduce the base price of the other tickets, but then fewer people would get face-value tickets in the lottery, etc.

    The thing I find most baffling about PJ's pricing model is charging basically the same for the best and worst seats. Having a range of prices would go a long way to addressing these complaints. People who don't want to spend a fortune could get a ticket for $50-100. Tickets in the pit or close to the stage would have to be more (but still well below typical platinum prices), but plenty of fans would still jump on it. Similar to pricing for some sporting events, e.g. MLB. Some well-off fans or corporate season ticket holders will shell out big bucks for a luxury experience. Other fans want a more affordable experience. There's a price point for everyone. If the team charged the same price for the fourth deck as for seats behind home plate, the upper deck would be empty every game. That's basically what we're seeing with these european ticket sales.  


    The prices are subsidized for all 10C tix. But this is not a bad idea. Charge more for GA, Res 1, and less for Res 2. Hell, add a Res 3 to split some of the latter two up. You can balance these offsets within 10C structure without going to platinum tix. 
     Yes I agree with all of this. If 10C tix are subsidized by PJ premium, then charge more for the coveted GAs and lowers. And less for the nosebleeds. GAs already insanely expensive on the secondary market (where legal). 
    thats all fine, but you know people will riot over the increased costs for GA. thats a guarantee. any kind of change like that would receive massive backlash
    People are going to complain no matter what they do, that's a guarantee. It's obvious that GA are by far the most coveted tickets and vastly underpriced based on all the posts of people offering to trade seats for GA and how quickly they get snatched up on F2F. Plenty of people would gladly pay the higher price without rioting. 
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    aLostDogaLostDog Posts: 1
    edited February 23
    I've been a fan since the 90s, a 10C member forever, and I've seen countless shows, including Wrigley and Fenway in the past decade.

    I was hoping to grab a single seat in Baltimore, MD, now that you don't need a code to hop in the queue, and I honestly can't wrap my head around the cost. Charging $600+ for nosebleed seats in Baltimore, MD, USA, is wild. The arena holds 14,000 people for a concert, so that's going to equate to an $8,000,000.00+ ($8+ million dollars) revenue it ticket sales for someone just for this show. 

    At this rate, in 10 years, the cost to go to a PJ show will be above $1,000 USD for the same terrible seat.

    What a change of direction for the guys who once tried to stand up against Ticketmaster.

    I guess I've seen my last PJ show.
    Congrats to all those who can afford that ticket.
    Super jealous.
    Have fun.

     
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