Ticket prices. This is not for you (the fans).

Eddieredder

LiveAtLeeds said:

jimjam1982 said:

I'm going to guess Europeans just mostly make far less money then USA?

If you stop looking at the premium pricing - I feel this tour was really fair for modern day standards and incomes here in the USA. 

Noblesville is that way because it was a postponed show and has very limited seating left to start with. Most of the venue was already sold in 2023 and held on to.

$200 is normal for a US show? Wow. 

Depends on the artist, but thats the trend I've been seeing lately. I've seen a lot of shows worse seats starting at $200-300 these days. 

Current pricing certainly isn't cheap. But it could be a lot lot higher. See U2, Guns n roses, Bruce etc

SHZA

LostDog_72 said:

SHZA said:

AlaG said:

I just want to know when concerts became such a rich man's game. Pearl Jam fans always show up but it ruins the entire ####ing vibe at so many shows I've been to lately. People in the lower bowl seated for the whole show. Young adults on IG the entire time taking pictures in front of your line of view. And so on. It just sucks.

Rhetorical question I know but since the pandemic ended people have been willing to pay top dollar for live events 

This is the current view of part of the rear section at Tottenham's stadium in London. Every block in the rear of the stadium is the same - there are thousands of unsold tickets. So no, I don't think people are willing to pay top dollar

There's an exception to every general statement, but that has been the case in the US at least https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/21/funflation-drives-sporting-event-ticket-prices-up-a-whopping-25percent.html 

It also tends to be most pronounced with the best seats. Deep pockets want to be in the front row, not at the rear of the stadium. Here's an example I came across this morning. They're not all selling on the sides, but the center section in front of the stage is mostly sold out 

 

chrisdrake88

Eddieredder said:

LiveAtLeeds said:

jimjam1982 said:

I'm going to guess Europeans just mostly make far less money then USA?

If you stop looking at the premium pricing - I feel this tour was really fair for modern day standards and incomes here in the USA. 

Noblesville is that way because it was a postponed show and has very limited seating left to start with. Most of the venue was already sold in 2023 and held on to.

$200 is normal for a US show? Wow. 

Depends on the artist, but thats the trend I've been seeing lately. I've seen a lot of shows worse seats starting at $200-300 these days. 

Current pricing certainly isn't cheap. But it could be a lot lot higher. See U2, Guns n roses, Bruce etc

I paid £100 per ticket to see Guns n Roses at the same stadium two years ago. The same ticket this year for PJ is 60% more expensive.

mace1229

$200 probably is normal for a band of this caliber. Obviously there are lots of well known bands you can see for less. But the trend is to charge more for shows, and people are willing to do it.
Honestly, who here wouldn't?
Would anyone here open a restaurant, sell out every single night, have huge demand, and not raise prices when you are turning away customers every day? Or make a little extra money so your kids can continue the same lifestyle you've given them even after you're gone? The price sucks, but I don't blame them for it. 

SHZA

chrisdrake88 said:

Eddieredder said:

LiveAtLeeds said:

jimjam1982 said:

I'm going to guess Europeans just mostly make far less money then USA?

If you stop looking at the premium pricing - I feel this tour was really fair for modern day standards and incomes here in the USA. 

Noblesville is that way because it was a postponed show and has very limited seating left to start with. Most of the venue was already sold in 2023 and held on to.

$200 is normal for a US show? Wow. 

Depends on the artist, but thats the trend I've been seeing lately. I've seen a lot of shows worse seats starting at $200-300 these days. 

Current pricing certainly isn't cheap. But it could be a lot lot higher. See U2, Guns n roses, Bruce etc

I paid £100 per ticket to see Guns n Roses at the same stadium two years ago. The same ticket this year for PJ is 60% more expensive.

Having seen both bands multiple times in recent years, I've always had to pay more for GnR tickets than for equivalent seats for PJ. Maybe PJ miscalculated or maybe GnR would charge the same or more in 2024 

AlaG

mace1229 said:

$200 probably is normal for a band of this caliber. Obviously there are lots of well known bands you can see for less. But the trend is to charge more for shows, and people are willing to do it.
Honestly, who here wouldn't?
Would anyone here open a restaurant, sell out every single night, have huge demand, and not raise prices when you are turning away customers every day? Or make a little extra money so your kids can continue the same lifestyle you've given them even after you're gone? The price sucks, but I don't blame them for it. 

For me I feel like the eternal question a lot of acts are asking is "what's prohibitive enough to keep would be scalpers away from buying up the entire inventory while also not upsetting the fans?" The alternative to what's happening now - a band Pearl Jam's caliber releasing a bunch of $50 tickets onto the free market - is just going to result in the band getting less than they could in addition to more fans getting hosed by having to resort to the secondary market to procure tickets where the prices will be even more expensive than this. I'm sure this is all well researched and of course the idea is to make money but I don't really think it's as sinister as a lot of folks make it out to be. The easiest solution is playing bigger venues.

chrisdrake88

mace1229 said:

$200 probably is normal for a band of this caliber. Obviously there are lots of well known bands you can see for less. But the trend is to charge more for shows, and people are willing to do it.
Honestly, who here wouldn't?
Would anyone here open a restaurant, sell out every single night, have huge demand, and not raise prices when you are turning away customers every day? Or make a little extra money so your kids can continue the same lifestyle you've given them even after you're gone? The price sucks, but I don't blame them for it. 

The ticket sales speak volumes. $200 in America might be acceptable, but £160 in London definitely isn't.

bootlegger10

chrisdrake88 said:

I've been a 10C member off and on for ten years now (I am aware that this is not the longest membership, but this isn't a measuring contest) and I am absolutely appalled by the prices of tickets for this tour.  The one thing that always stood PJ apart from all other bands was its connection to the fans, the determination to make it as great an experience as could be and the refusal to let its fans be ripped off and exploited in the name of capitalism (See PJ vs Ticketmaster).

The best example of this has always been the Ten Club, where we get rewarded for our loyalty by being allowed to buy tickets at a reasonable price, right down the front where the proper fans are, without needing to pay an absolute fortune for the privilege. These tickets for the Dark Matters tour UK dates are £160. ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY POUNDS. The cheapest tickets in the house are £120.

Pearl Jam, you have completely lost your way.  You are not the band of the people that you once were, you will have lost the respect of thousands of fans with this blatant profiteering and the fact that you are doing this alongside Ticketmaster, of all companies, is frankly insulting.

I for one, will not be renewing my membership next time around and will be interested to see how many others will also leave.

I'm just disappointed.

I thought you were going to complain about PJ Premium and pay $1,000 for a ticket.  But complaining about $200 a ticket.  We adapt in life and this is one of those things you adapt to.  

northerndragon

While tickets are certainly pricey this tour I can afford them.  In 1995 a $20 ticket was way outside of my price range. It's all a matter of perspective. 

chrisdrake88

bootlegger10 said:

chrisdrake88 said:

I've been a 10C member off and on for ten years now (I am aware that this is not the longest membership, but this isn't a measuring contest) and I am absolutely appalled by the prices of tickets for this tour.  The one thing that always stood PJ apart from all other bands was its connection to the fans, the determination to make it as great an experience as could be and the refusal to let its fans be ripped off and exploited in the name of capitalism (See PJ vs Ticketmaster).

The best example of this has always been the Ten Club, where we get rewarded for our loyalty by being allowed to buy tickets at a reasonable price, right down the front where the proper fans are, without needing to pay an absolute fortune for the privilege. These tickets for the Dark Matters tour UK dates are £160. ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY POUNDS. The cheapest tickets in the house are £120.

Pearl Jam, you have completely lost your way.  You are not the band of the people that you once were, you will have lost the respect of thousands of fans with this blatant profiteering and the fact that you are doing this alongside Ticketmaster, of all companies, is frankly insulting.

I for one, will not be renewing my membership next time around and will be interested to see how many others will also leave.

I'm just disappointed.

I thought you were going to complain about PJ Premium and pay $1,000 for a ticket.  But complaining about $200 a ticket.  We adapt in life and this is one of those things you adapt to.  

That's not how much a ticket costs in London. It's all relative, £160 is massively overpriced and that is shown in the thousands of tickets unsold today. They're charging 25% more than AC/DC, a week apart and 60% more than GnR charged two years ago.
I'm not going to get into a debate about US ticket prices, because I don't live in the US.

LostDog_72

bootlegger10 said:

chrisdrake88 said:

I've been a 10C member off and on for ten years now (I am aware that this is not the longest membership, but this isn't a measuring contest) and I am absolutely appalled by the prices of tickets for this tour.  The one thing that always stood PJ apart from all other bands was its connection to the fans, the determination to make it as great an experience as could be and the refusal to let its fans be ripped off and exploited in the name of capitalism (See PJ vs Ticketmaster).

The best example of this has always been the Ten Club, where we get rewarded for our loyalty by being allowed to buy tickets at a reasonable price, right down the front where the proper fans are, without needing to pay an absolute fortune for the privilege. These tickets for the Dark Matters tour UK dates are £160. ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY POUNDS. The cheapest tickets in the house are £120.

Pearl Jam, you have completely lost your way.  You are not the band of the people that you once were, you will have lost the respect of thousands of fans with this blatant profiteering and the fact that you are doing this alongside Ticketmaster, of all companies, is frankly insulting.

I for one, will not be renewing my membership next time around and will be interested to see how many others will also leave.

I'm just disappointed.

I thought you were going to complain about PJ Premium and pay $1,000 for a ticket.  But complaining about $200 a ticket.  We adapt in life and this is one of those things you adapt to.  

I have adapted by not buying a ticket. Judging by the huge numbers of available tickets still available for London, a lot of other people have adapted as well.

This has been said a lot on this forum over the past few days - just because a $200 ticket is acceptable in the US, it doesn't mean that it is OK to hike prices to £160 / €175 in Europe. That is NOT the norm and it is not acceptable to people - poor ticket sales are the proof of this.

When has it ever been the case that 7+ hours after PJ tickets are released to the general public, there are standing tickets still available? In all the years I have been trying to buy PJ tickets for Europe, they have all gone in a matter of minutes.

just_one

LostDog_72 said:

bootlegger10 said:

chrisdrake88 said:

I've been a 10C member off and on for ten years now (I am aware that this is not the longest membership, but this isn't a measuring contest) and I am absolutely appalled by the prices of tickets for this tour.  The one thing that always stood PJ apart from all other bands was its connection to the fans, the determination to make it as great an experience as could be and the refusal to let its fans be ripped off and exploited in the name of capitalism (See PJ vs Ticketmaster).

The best example of this has always been the Ten Club, where we get rewarded for our loyalty by being allowed to buy tickets at a reasonable price, right down the front where the proper fans are, without needing to pay an absolute fortune for the privilege. These tickets for the Dark Matters tour UK dates are £160. ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY POUNDS. The cheapest tickets in the house are £120.

Pearl Jam, you have completely lost your way.  You are not the band of the people that you once were, you will have lost the respect of thousands of fans with this blatant profiteering and the fact that you are doing this alongside Ticketmaster, of all companies, is frankly insulting.

I for one, will not be renewing my membership next time around and will be interested to see how many others will also leave.

I'm just disappointed.

I thought you were going to complain about PJ Premium and pay $1,000 for a ticket.  But complaining about $200 a ticket.  We adapt in life and this is one of those things you adapt to.  

This has been said a lot on this forum over the past few days - just because a $200 ticket is acceptable in the US, it doesn't mean that it is OK to hike prices to £160 / €175 in Europe. That is NOT the norm and it is not acceptable to people - poor ticket sales are the proof of this.

When has it ever been the case that 7+ hours after PJ tickets are released to the general public, there are standing tickets still available? In all the years I have been trying to buy PJ tickets for Europe, they have all gone in a matter of minutes.

this!!

London has loads of tickets left , barcelona aswell

Wolf359

charlesyoung39 said:

I really wish people would stop blaming the band for the cost of goods and services in 2024. I’d be willing to bet that they are not making much more profit per show than what they were 10 or more years ago. It takes significant infrastructure to put on a tour that travels the world, and these prices actually compares favorably to many other concert experiences. 

 I'd take you up on that bet, easily. 

But it's not like either of us can prove we're right. 

andrew68

i think they did a much better job this tour than the last 

chrisdrake88

LostDog_72 said:

bootlegger10 said:

chrisdrake88 said:

I've been a 10C member off and on for ten years now (I am aware that this is not the longest membership, but this isn't a measuring contest) and I am absolutely appalled by the prices of tickets for this tour.  The one thing that always stood PJ apart from all other bands was its connection to the fans, the determination to make it as great an experience as could be and the refusal to let its fans be ripped off and exploited in the name of capitalism (See PJ vs Ticketmaster).

The best example of this has always been the Ten Club, where we get rewarded for our loyalty by being allowed to buy tickets at a reasonable price, right down the front where the proper fans are, without needing to pay an absolute fortune for the privilege. These tickets for the Dark Matters tour UK dates are £160. ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY POUNDS. The cheapest tickets in the house are £120.

Pearl Jam, you have completely lost your way.  You are not the band of the people that you once were, you will have lost the respect of thousands of fans with this blatant profiteering and the fact that you are doing this alongside Ticketmaster, of all companies, is frankly insulting.

I for one, will not be renewing my membership next time around and will be interested to see how many others will also leave.

I'm just disappointed.

I thought you were going to complain about PJ Premium and pay $1,000 for a ticket.  But complaining about $200 a ticket.  We adapt in life and this is one of those things you adapt to.  

I have adapted by not buying a ticket. Judging by the huge numbers of available tickets still available for London, a lot of other people have adapted as well.

This has been said a lot on this forum over the past few days - just because a $200 ticket is acceptable in the US, it doesn't mean that it is OK to hike prices to £160 / €175 in Europe. That is NOT the norm and it is not acceptable to people - poor ticket sales are the proof of this.

When has it ever been the case that 7+ hours after PJ tickets are released to the general public, there are standing tickets still available? In all the years I have been trying to buy PJ tickets for Europe, they have all gone in a matter of minutes.

YES, LOSTDOG! I honestly reckon they'll have to stick them on sale prices to sell it out.

Wolf359

The Cure had NO Platinums/premium tickets, Fan2Fan resale only (except where prohibited by law, of course) and $50 nosebleeds in all the venues they played in the US. 
If The Cure can do that, PJ can do (along with many other artists). They choose not to. That's fine, it is what it is, and everyone in a capitalist system like ours should have their shot at making $$$.

But let's call a spade a spade, shall we?

InHiding_InEurope

There are tons of tickets (175 Euros) in the upper part for both shows in Berlin still available on eventim.de. Via ticketmaster or live-nation you can just access the lower part/premium seats of Waldbühne. There seems to be no transparent information on that nowhere.

BF25394

tino_11 said:

mcgruff10 said:

They definitely out punted their coverage this tour as evident by the amount of tickets left for the european shows.  Literally thousands of unsold tickets.  

Yes, big time. They've not taken into account that in Europe we are paid less and therefore there's less disposable income to spend on tickets. This isn't just for concerts, we pay less for sports tickets and even the cinema, compared to the US. 

We started to see the cracks last tour where Budapest didn't sell out because prices were almost on par with Western Europe. 

10c prices were absolutely pushing it but when you see the premium prices today and there's no wonder so many seats are available. I think we'll see a sharp drop in the coming months but this has left a bad taste in the mouth. I've always appreciated what PJ stood for as well as their music but we've moved into a new era. 

The European economy also has not recovered from COVID as well as the American economy has.

BF25394

joswald21 said:

Just spent $2500 on 4 tickets in Philly. #### YOU Eddie
One pair 40% more than the other for similar location? Scalpers pricing is more ethical.
Who do you guys think you're ####### kidding? Don't #### a ####### man. There's not much more disrepectful...

Why did you pay that: A) if the price is so offensive and B ) with the shows not happening until September and prices subject to change?

PJ_Soul

I'm a bit appalled myself. I happened to see my old 2013 10C tix in my account. A PAIR of GA tix for $156 CAD. Holy fuck.