Ticket prices. This is not for you (the fans).

SHZA

AlaG said:

SHZA said:

Henderson7 said:

Not defending it because the whole thing is gross but I think part of this is bands are starting to say screw it we are charging x and we are getting the money instead of charging $90 lets say and some other person is taking that ticket and charging $180. Theya re almost trying to outprice the resale market in a way. 

Absolutely. Why should a ticket broker who does nothing but flips make more money than the actual artist? 

I think a lot of artists have begun thinking this way. I think what they need to figure out though is does it just set the prices even higher for regular people? Apparently for some folks there is no upper limit folks are willing to pay.

That is the basic idea behind platinum/premium - the artist selling tickets at the approximate price they would sell for on the secondary market. And if they can sell 10% of the tickets at the platinum price, why not expand it to 20%? Or increase the prices of standard tickets for regular fans? Otherwise, they are leaving money on the table. The downside is that charging too much comes off as greedy and alienates the fans as we can see from the comments 

bigbiggzy

Yeah - I’ve heard similar stories. 

KM155315

I’m done.

Our loyalty is now just a cash grab.

£160 for a single ticket is just a joke. I laughed and closed the Ticketmaster page.

The comments under the PJ Facebook advert are a sobering read for the band and management.

bigbiggzy

It’s not on the band. It’s an entire industry.

bootlegger10

I'm amazed that people won't spend $200 on a band they love.  What do they have?  10 albums?  You paid an average of $10 per CD.  So you've gotten decades of enjoyment out of music for the low price of $100, but by god, we can't be bothered to pay another $200 to see them live?  You've gotten a damn bargain based on the enjoyment you've received to the cash you've paid for their music.  I assume there is enjoyment because you like the band enough to join their fan club and post on their message board.  

AlaG

bootlegger10 said:

I'm amazed that people won't spend $200 on a band they love.  What do they have?  10 albums?  You paid an average of $10 per CD.  So you've gotten decades of enjoyment out of music for the low price of $100, but by god, we can't be bothered to pay another $200 to see them live?  You've gotten a damn bargain based on the enjoyment you've received to the cash you've paid for their music.  I assume there is enjoyment because you like the band enough to join their fan club and post on their message board.  

I'd love to pay $200 a ticket at Madison Square Garden. Where can I do that?

KidAOK

bootlegger10 said:

I'm amazed that people won't spend $200 on a band they love.  What do they have?  10 albums?  You paid an average of $10 per CD.  So you've gotten decades of enjoyment out of music for the low price of $100, but by god, we can't be bothered to pay another $200 to see them live?  You've gotten a damn bargain based on the enjoyment you've received to the cash you've paid for their music.  I assume there is enjoyment because you like the band enough to join their fan club and post on their message board.  

Cant be bothered to pay?

I'm amazed you can simplify it like that when it's anything but that simple.  Financially I can afford this tour, my grievance with the prices is for others that aren't so lucky.  All I have is sympathy for those that can't afford to see the band they love, it sucks.

devonfz

i think it reflects the reality of our world... the middle class is falling further behind with inflation and the well off are doing really well and there are a lot of really well off people with basically unlimited cash for concerts travel etc: pricing for everything like tickets reflects that

if they actually sold tickets at say 100 bucks the demand would be so insane the resale markets would make up for the low prices it just wouldn't work ... they sell the tickets at the going market rate

plus with the ga and still really good fan club seats they still take care of most of us ... but the fan club is huge and there is still way more demand than supply can fill

and even in the pj world so many fans and members have that unlimited cash to travel and see multiple shows... at basically any price I'm doing pretty good so I treat myself to three or four if possible but even then remember denver 2022 was basically impossible to get a ticket under 500 so skipped that one

but I feel for everyone maybe struggling or not in that position to spend.. 

bigbiggzy

bootlegger10 said:

I'm amazed that people won't spend $200 on a band they love.  What do they have?  10 albums?  You paid an average of $10 per CD.  So you've gotten decades of enjoyment out of music for the low price of $100, but by god, we can't be bothered to pay another $200 to see them live?  You've gotten a damn bargain based on the enjoyment you've received to the cash you've paid for their music.  I assume there is enjoyment because you like the band enough to join their fan club and post on their message board.  

Ha - $200 is a bargain. I think folks are taking issue with the dynamic pricing that TM pushes / uses.  

To PJ and 10 Club’s credit - they do genuinely try to take care of folks. Sometimes you win - sometimes you lose.

Case in point - I won FANTASTIC seats for Philly night 1. ZERO COMPLAINTS. On the floor - 2nd row just behind GA. (Stoked!!!)

Those same 2 seats would’ve cost me close to $2 K through TM for the Baltimore show. 

In fact - any ticket outside of the rafters near the back/ top were well above $200 a ticket. 

Wolf359

SHZA said:

AlaG said:

SHZA said:

Henderson7 said:

Not defending it because the whole thing is gross but I think part of this is bands are starting to say screw it we are charging x and we are getting the money instead of charging $90 lets say and some other person is taking that ticket and charging $180. Theya re almost trying to outprice the resale market in a way. 

Absolutely. Why should a ticket broker who does nothing but flips make more money than the actual artist? 

I think a lot of artists have begun thinking this way. I think what they need to figure out though is does it just set the prices even higher for regular people? Apparently for some folks there is no upper limit folks are willing to pay.

That is the basic idea behind platinum/premium - the artist selling tickets at the approximate price they would sell for on the secondary market. And if they can sell 10% of the tickets at the platinum price, why not expand it to 20%? Or increase the prices of standard tickets for regular fans? Otherwise, they are leaving money on the table. The downside is that charging too much comes off as greedy and alienates the fans as we can see from the comments 

right, the artist should absolutely be the ones taking the money vs resellers taking it on the secondary market. 
But, when you have a situation where there is F2F resale only, which effectively shutsdown the secondary market, then why still charge premiums/platinums?

(Yes, I know that professional scalpers can still get around no transfer option, but it still is a very small portion of the secondary market compared to when Transfer is enabled).

Shibari

bigbiggzy said:

It’s not on the band. It’s an entire industry.

the band that stands against the industry. the band that sued for affordable tickets. the band that denounced commercialism. the band that claims to stand up for those who have no voice. the band that has gotten along well without Ticketmaster in the past. the band that once had credibility. They have sacrificed nothing else here. They have also become part of the monster that they have accused for so long. I would prefer they retire immediately

Vedd Hedd

TIcket prices in the 90s were like 20 bucks, but I could not afford them then.  

Going to a concert has always been a luxury item. 

Indifference71

CaliforniaSun77 said:

estarr31 said:

This what a lot of Bruce fans complained about last Winter too. I'm not really sure how much control the band has in this. Would love to learn more about the ticketmaster process. 

They have a lot of control. The "Platinum/Premium" is something that can be turned on or off. And pricing is up to them. I appreciate the no resale over face, which again is an option any artist can make. Based on other recent LA shows, the $185 for floor/lowers is fine. For me it's the pricing of the seats way up in the rafters. I got Verified Fan for one of the LA shows and the top of the Forum is not selling. I don't blame people for not wanting to pay $176 for uppers. 

Yep.  And this is in an arena.  Selling tickets to these Euro stadium shows for $160-170 for horrible seats where you'll be staring at a screen the whole show is insane.  Will be interesting to see if they adjust the prices.  

estarr31

bigbiggzy said:

It’s not on the band. It’s an entire industry.

Exactly. I don't blame PJ at all for this tour. Doing so is missing the forest for the trees. 
They are more of a brand now. But yeah...welcome to 2024. Every legacy act is. There's not much of an alternative option here. They dont have to hold 10C tix at all. Bands dont make money with music sales anymore. They make it via touring and merch. And that's been obvious to any fan who has gone to a show in the past 10+ years. 

estarr31

AlaG said:

bootlegger10 said:

I'm amazed that people won't spend $200 on a band they love.  What do they have?  10 albums?  You paid an average of $10 per CD.  So you've gotten decades of enjoyment out of music for the low price of $100, but by god, we can't be bothered to pay another $200 to see them live?  You've gotten a damn bargain based on the enjoyment you've received to the cash you've paid for their music.  I assume there is enjoyment because you like the band enough to join their fan club and post on their message board.  

I'd love to pay $200 a ticket at Madison Square Garden. Where can I do that?

your chance was last week

Shibari

Shibari said:

bigbiggzy said:

It’s not on the band. It’s an entire industry.

the band that stands against the industry. the band that sued for affordable tickets. the band that denounced commercialism. the band that claims to stand up for those who have no voice. the band that has gotten along well without Ticketmaster in the past. the band that once had credibility. They have sacrificed nothing else here. They have also become part of the monster that they have accused for so long. I would prefer they retire immediately

It's not primarily about the cost of a ticket. 2022 Berlin was already expensive at 130 euros. I could afford several shows on this tour and no one expects you to get a ticket for €25 like I did in 2000. It's about what the band once stood for, their ideals and ours. and then you can't work with ticketmaster and not become a criminal yourself. tm hasn't gotten any better since the lawsuit and pj now going to bed with you destroys your credibility. They won't care...they benefit from the system they have denounced for years

bigbiggzy

I still have ticket stubs from 98, 2000, early 2000s. Times have definitely changed.

But apples to apples…10Club priced seats are still moderate. Especially compared to other bands of PJ’s caliber and stature.

You can’t blame the band for living/playing/touring in 2024. And again - TM is the primary culprit when it comes to the price gouging/dynamic pricing. (Humble .02)

SHZA

Wolf359 said:

SHZA said:

AlaG said:

SHZA said:

Henderson7 said:

Not defending it because the whole thing is gross but I think part of this is bands are starting to say screw it we are charging x and we are getting the money instead of charging $90 lets say and some other person is taking that ticket and charging $180. Theya re almost trying to outprice the resale market in a way. 

Absolutely. Why should a ticket broker who does nothing but flips make more money than the actual artist? 

I think a lot of artists have begun thinking this way. I think what they need to figure out though is does it just set the prices even higher for regular people? Apparently for some folks there is no upper limit folks are willing to pay.

That is the basic idea behind platinum/premium - the artist selling tickets at the approximate price they would sell for on the secondary market. And if they can sell 10% of the tickets at the platinum price, why not expand it to 20%? Or increase the prices of standard tickets for regular fans? Otherwise, they are leaving money on the table. The downside is that charging too much comes off as greedy and alienates the fans as we can see from the comments 

right, the artist should absolutely be the ones taking the money vs resellers taking it on the secondary market. 
But, when you have a situation where there is F2F resale only, which effectively shutsdown the secondary market, then why still charge premiums/platinums?

(Yes, I know that professional scalpers can still get around no transfer option, but it still is a very small portion of the secondary market compared to when Transfer is enabled).

Last year the company line was that premium subsidizes other tickets, i.e., by making an extra $500 (or whatever) on 10% of the tickets, they can reduce the price of the remaining tickets. Without premium, maybe the standard price would be $250, and people would surely bitch about that. Since people find the current standard pricing unpalatable, maybe they should sell even more premiums and reduce the base price of the other tickets, but then fewer people would get face-value tickets in the lottery, etc.

The thing I find most baffling about PJ's pricing model is charging basically the same for the best and worst seats. Having a range of prices would go a long way to addressing these complaints. People who don't want to spend a fortune could get a ticket for $50-100. Tickets in the pit or close to the stage would have to be more (but still well below typical platinum prices), but plenty of fans would still jump on it. Similar to pricing for some sporting events, e.g. MLB. Some well-off fans or corporate season ticket holders will shell out big bucks for a luxury experience. Other fans want a more affordable experience. There's a price point for everyone. If the team charged the same price for the fourth deck as for seats behind home plate, the upper deck would be empty every game. That's basically what we're seeing with these european ticket sales.  

estarr31

SHZA said:

Wolf359 said:

SHZA said:

AlaG said:

SHZA said:

Henderson7 said:

Not defending it because the whole thing is gross but I think part of this is bands are starting to say screw it we are charging x and we are getting the money instead of charging $90 lets say and some other person is taking that ticket and charging $180. Theya re almost trying to outprice the resale market in a way. 

Absolutely. Why should a ticket broker who does nothing but flips make more money than the actual artist? 

I think a lot of artists have begun thinking this way. I think what they need to figure out though is does it just set the prices even higher for regular people? Apparently for some folks there is no upper limit folks are willing to pay.

That is the basic idea behind platinum/premium - the artist selling tickets at the approximate price they would sell for on the secondary market. And if they can sell 10% of the tickets at the platinum price, why not expand it to 20%? Or increase the prices of standard tickets for regular fans? Otherwise, they are leaving money on the table. The downside is that charging too much comes off as greedy and alienates the fans as we can see from the comments 

right, the artist should absolutely be the ones taking the money vs resellers taking it on the secondary market. 
But, when you have a situation where there is F2F resale only, which effectively shutsdown the secondary market, then why still charge premiums/platinums?

(Yes, I know that professional scalpers can still get around no transfer option, but it still is a very small portion of the secondary market compared to when Transfer is enabled).

Last year the company line was that premium subsidizes other tickets, i.e., by making an extra $500 (or whatever) on 10% of the tickets, they can reduce the price of the remaining tickets. Without premium, maybe the standard price would be $250, and people would surely bitch about that. Since people find the current standard pricing unpalatable, maybe they should sell even more premiums and reduce the base price of the other tickets, but then fewer people would get face-value tickets in the lottery, etc.

The thing I find most baffling about PJ's pricing model is charging basically the same for the best and worst seats. Having a range of prices would go a long way to addressing these complaints. People who don't want to spend a fortune could get a ticket for $50-100. Tickets in the pit or close to the stage would have to be more (but still well below typical platinum prices), but plenty of fans would still jump on it. Similar to pricing for some sporting events, e.g. MLB. Some well-off fans or corporate season ticket holders will shell out big bucks for a luxury experience. Other fans want a more affordable experience. There's a price point for everyone. If the team charged the same price for the fourth deck as for seats behind home plate, the upper deck would be empty every game. That's basically what we're seeing with these european ticket sales.  

The prices are subsidized for all 10C tix. But this is not a bad idea. Charge more for GA, Res 1, and less for Res 2. Hell, add a Res 3 to split some of the latter two up. You can balance these offsets within 10C structure without going to platinum tix. 

AlaG

estarr31 said:

AlaG said:

bootlegger10 said:

I'm amazed that people won't spend $200 on a band they love.  What do they have?  10 albums?  You paid an average of $10 per CD.  So you've gotten decades of enjoyment out of music for the low price of $100, but by god, we can't be bothered to pay another $200 to see them live?  You've gotten a damn bargain based on the enjoyment you've received to the cash you've paid for their music.  I assume there is enjoyment because you like the band enough to join their fan club and post on their message board.  

I'd love to pay $200 a ticket at Madison Square Garden. Where can I do that?

your chance was last week

Ah. I missed the part where people were whining about the base price of 10C tickets and not Pearl Jam Premium.