Viruses / Vaccines

Merkin Baller said:

https://www.riverfronttimes.com/newsblog/2021/07/28/st-louis-county-health-director-i-was-assaulted-called-brown-c-after-mask-plea

Unfuckingreal. 

I’m old enough to remember when our former President suggested other countries were the shit hole countries. 

lastexitlondon said:

Well looks like father in law 71  double pfizer  has covid.  Flu symptoms for 2 days so far.

lastexit78 said:

curmudgeoness said:

I'm not following you. I'm in San Diego, a county of over 3 million people. Local numbers had been excellent, now they are bad again, 90% of reported cases are among the unvaccinated. 70% of people age 12 and up are fully vaccinated, more than 80% are partially vaccinated. Positivity rate has gone from 1% to about 7%, hospitalizations and ICU admissions and community outbreaks are up.

So -- I didn't say anything about ventilators. Or Israel. So I'm confused.

80% efficacy is GREAT. But, since people who were at high-risk (and were thus first to be vaccinated) remain at high risk despite being vaccinated, those of us with immunocompromised people in our lives pay attention to things like reduced vaccine efficacy against variants. Our family member has resumed taking precautions as if they were unvaccinated; if you and yours are not high-risk, there's no need to lose sleep over 80% vs 90%.

And while I'm generally a cynical person, and the noise and constantly changing narrative is frustrating, I really don't believe that what is coming out of credible sources right now is spin to benefit any particular person/ party. And yes, I do consider the CDC to be a pretty credible source.

There has been discussion of the need for a booster shot basically since the first vaccines were announced. Is that a money grab? I don't know -- I don't consider the annual flu shot to be a money grab; I consider it a way to avoid being sick as a dog for a week or two. What I see are signs of an ongoing discussion behind the scenes about the need for boosters, who might need them and how often. I believe this virus will be endemic, so I personally see nothing sketchy in talk of boosters.

The virus still is new. And it is changing. As the science changes, policy changes, and it is incumbent on us to be able to adapt to those changes. Is there still a lot of noise? Yes. But you can reduce that by getting information from credible sources. I get mine from the CDC, The Atlantic, published research.

If a booster is needed for the highest at risk then so be it, From what I’ve read recently it seems plausible. Especially since it will be built to fight the Delta variant which is clearly looking like the winner of the variant race. 70% fully vaccinated is not enough to prevent a pretty serious surge, especially when you consider those unvaccinated are often in concentrated areas or flat out oblivious to the whole thing. My frustration from the CDC is how they manipulate or just sit on it data. They’ve been using data out India lately to make ridiculous projections. India, a country using an entirely different vaccine and with a demographic nothing like the US. Not to mention the CDC sat on data which proved outdoor infection was basically null for two months. Oh and they have still yet to publish pediatric numbers, which I can only assume is because kids just aren’t getting sick but when can we actually come to this conclusion? It’s a joke and a lot of Americans have lost trust in them and most local health agencies as well. There is so much misinformation flying around out their from completely illegitimate sources right now and I’m not talking about the CDC. I’m talking about right wing sources who twist the CDC’s confusing guidance and use it against them to spread misinformation about vaccines, etc. The CDC and WHO have made so many blunders at this point I’m surprised things aren’t worse, at least we got 60% of the country vaccinated.

Parksy said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Alberta is taking its cues from Florida....people who test positive no longer have to self isolate. 

Ford has been a waste of space in Ontario and Kenney seems just as useless over there in the west. It's scary how close we're getting to the movie Idocrasy becoming fact and not fiction. 

The weird thing about leadership I'm seeing is a complete lack of a backbone and brain just for the purpose of votes. If enough people in a jurisdiction thought that jumping off a bridge would be good thing, the leader would blindly endorse it and encourage it instead of saying "Look... for whatever reason, you think jumping off that bridge is good... but I'm here to tell you... it's not and please don't."  

HughFreakingDillon said:

Alberta is taking its cues from Florida....people who test positive no longer have to self isolate. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

lastexit78 said:

curmudgeoness said:

I'm not following you. I'm in San Diego, a county of over 3 million people. Local numbers had been excellent, now they are bad again, 90% of reported cases are among the unvaccinated. 70% of people age 12 and up are fully vaccinated, more than 80% are partially vaccinated. Positivity rate has gone from 1% to about 7%, hospitalizations and ICU admissions and community outbreaks are up.

So -- I didn't say anything about ventilators. Or Israel. So I'm confused.

80% efficacy is GREAT. But, since people who were at high-risk (and were thus first to be vaccinated) remain at high risk despite being vaccinated, those of us with immunocompromised people in our lives pay attention to things like reduced vaccine efficacy against variants. Our family member has resumed taking precautions as if they were unvaccinated; if you and yours are not high-risk, there's no need to lose sleep over 80% vs 90%.

And while I'm generally a cynical person, and the noise and constantly changing narrative is frustrating, I really don't believe that what is coming out of credible sources right now is spin to benefit any particular person/ party. And yes, I do consider the CDC to be a pretty credible source.

There has been discussion of the need for a booster shot basically since the first vaccines were announced. Is that a money grab? I don't know -- I don't consider the annual flu shot to be a money grab; I consider it a way to avoid being sick as a dog for a week or two. What I see are signs of an ongoing discussion behind the scenes about the need for boosters, who might need them and how often. I believe this virus will be endemic, so I personally see nothing sketchy in talk of boosters.

The virus still is new. And it is changing. As the science changes, policy changes, and it is incumbent on us to be able to adapt to those changes. Is there still a lot of noise? Yes. But you can reduce that by getting information from credible sources. I get mine from the CDC, The Atlantic, published research.

If a booster is needed for the highest at risk then so be it, From what I’ve read recently it seems plausible. Especially since it will be built to fight the Delta variant which is clearly looking like the winner of the variant race. 70% fully vaccinated is not enough to prevent a pretty serious surge, especially when you consider those unvaccinated are often in concentrated areas or flat out oblivious to the whole thing. My frustration from the CDC is how they manipulate or just sit on it data. They’ve been using data out India lately to make ridiculous projections. India, a country using an entirely different vaccine and with a demographic nothing like the US. Not to mention the CDC sat on data which proved outdoor infection was basically null for two months. Oh and they have still yet to publish pediatric numbers, which I can only assume is because kids just aren’t getting sick but when can we actually come to this conclusion? It’s a joke and a lot of Americans have lost trust in them and most local health agencies as well. There is so much misinformation flying around out their from completely illegitimate sources right now and I’m not talking about the CDC. I’m talking about right wing sources who twist the CDC’s confusing guidance and use it against them to spread misinformation about vaccines, etc. The CDC and WHO have made so many blunders at this point I’m surprised things aren’t worse, at least we got 60% of the country vaccinated.

being a once in a lifetime global pandemic, I'm going to give these agencies some leeway. 

tish said:

We're back to mandatory masks in my pocket of BC. High cases of unvaccinated 20s, 30s. 

I started sporting them last 2 trips in mall. Was fun while it lasted!