Viruses / Vaccines

HughFreakingDillon

F Me In The Brain said:

Merkin Baller said:

Hobbes said:

elvistheking44 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

elvistheking44 said:

CM189191 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This is the cover of today’s post here in NY. This is typically a right leaning newspaper. 

Take what you will from it. Can anyone debunk them numbers? Are they right?

'typically a right leaning newspaper' is an understatement

The numbers are right.  It's the conclusion that is wrong.

The conclusion is opinion….right or wrong. The numbers are facts. We’ve been told to follow the science, look at the numbers, look at the data…..when does it end? I just don’t get it. 

So what do you take from those numbers?  How do you follow the science?

Do you get vaccinated?

Only about 50% of the population of the US is vaccinated.  This is why there is still reason for very serious measures to be taken...

Fully vaccinated here, entire family is. I only know a few that aren’t. It’s their call at this point. The science and numbers show vaccines work. We are a free society, you can’t have it both ways. Freedom to speak your mind, freedom to worship a god of your choice, freedom of the press and freedom to choose if you want to get vaccinated or not. The doom and gloom needs to stop. If you want to play with your life and choose not to that’s on you. We don’t need media constantly throwing despair in our face 24/7 any longer.

However, the consequence of one's choice not to vaccinate is not limited to that individual.

Some people want to drive drunk, but this fascist country with all it's rules & laws won't let them. 

Don't tread on me!!!!!!!

This is a great parallel.  Imagine if you had to pass a breathalyzer test to start your car?  Every car, not just the person who is forced to after multiple DUIs. 

#1, I think this is a good idea.

#2, people would lose their fucking minds.  "What happened to our freedom?!"

I've often thought this should absolutely be a thing. 

tempo_n_groove

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

I have no problem putting a piece of cloth over my face if it’s in the interest of protecting the immune compromised or those who want but can’t get a vaccine, because it’s a minor inconvenience at best. 

My goodness, imagine if some of you came of age during WWII or Vietnam & got drafted? What we’re being asked to do for our country right now doesn’t even compare. 

Get some perspective in your lives. 

If that happened today 1/2 the country would think it's a conspiracy.  The draft most likely will never happen again because of Vietnam though.

Miss my point more. 

I put it in perspective in todays way of thinking.  What point did I miss?

tempo_n_groove

F Me In The Brain said:

Merkin Baller said:

Hobbes said:

elvistheking44 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

elvistheking44 said:

CM189191 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This is the cover of today’s post here in NY. This is typically a right leaning newspaper. 

Take what you will from it. Can anyone debunk them numbers? Are they right?

'typically a right leaning newspaper' is an understatement

The numbers are right.  It's the conclusion that is wrong.

The conclusion is opinion….right or wrong. The numbers are facts. We’ve been told to follow the science, look at the numbers, look at the data…..when does it end? I just don’t get it. 

So what do you take from those numbers?  How do you follow the science?

Do you get vaccinated?

Only about 50% of the population of the US is vaccinated.  This is why there is still reason for very serious measures to be taken...

Fully vaccinated here, entire family is. I only know a few that aren’t. It’s their call at this point. The science and numbers show vaccines work. We are a free society, you can’t have it both ways. Freedom to speak your mind, freedom to worship a god of your choice, freedom of the press and freedom to choose if you want to get vaccinated or not. The doom and gloom needs to stop. If you want to play with your life and choose not to that’s on you. We don’t need media constantly throwing despair in our face 24/7 any longer.

However, the consequence of one's choice not to vaccinate is not limited to that individual.

Some people want to drive drunk, but this fascist country with all it's rules & laws won't let them. 

Don't tread on me!!!!!!!

This is a great parallel.  Imagine if you had to pass a breathalyzer test to start your car?  Every car, not just the person who is forced to after multiple DUIs. 

#1, I think this is a good idea.

#2, people would lose their fucking minds.  "What happened to our freedom?!"

DUI's make county's/cities money.  Plus if you had to pay for said breathalizer in your car I think you should be pissed.

Merkin Baller

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

I have no problem putting a piece of cloth over my face if it’s in the interest of protecting the immune compromised or those who want but can’t get a vaccine, because it’s a minor inconvenience at best. 

My goodness, imagine if some of you came of age during WWII or Vietnam & got drafted? What we’re being asked to do for our country right now doesn’t even compare. 

Get some perspective in your lives. 

If that happened today 1/2 the country would think it's a conspiracy.  The draft most likely will never happen again because of Vietnam though.

Miss my point more. 

I put it in perspective in todays way of thinking.  What point did I miss?

The point that the sacrifice modern day Americans are being asked to make for the well being of the country is nothing compared to that of past generations of Americans. 

HughFreakingDillon

I don't think he missed the point. He just pivoted. 

Merkin Baller

HughFreakingDillon said:

I don't think he missed the point. He just pivoted. 

I agree, but tried to assume the best and respond accordingly. 

mickeyrat

Merkin Baller said:

I have no problem putting a piece of cloth over my face if it’s in the interest of protecting the immune compromised or those who want but can’t get a vaccine, because it’s a minor inconvenience at best. 

My goodness, imagine if some of you came of age during WWII or Vietnam & got drafted? What we’re being asked to do for our country right now doesn’t even compare. 

Get some perspective in your lives. 

he speaks directly to your point.

https://youtu.be/6HQSMpS8KaU

Hobbes

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Merkin Baller said:

Hobbes said:

elvistheking44 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

elvistheking44 said:

CM189191 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This is the cover of today’s post here in NY. This is typically a right leaning newspaper. 

Take what you will from it. Can anyone debunk them numbers? Are they right?

'typically a right leaning newspaper' is an understatement

The numbers are right.  It's the conclusion that is wrong.

The conclusion is opinion….right or wrong. The numbers are facts. We’ve been told to follow the science, look at the numbers, look at the data…..when does it end? I just don’t get it. 

So what do you take from those numbers?  How do you follow the science?

Do you get vaccinated?

Only about 50% of the population of the US is vaccinated.  This is why there is still reason for very serious measures to be taken...

Fully vaccinated here, entire family is. I only know a few that aren’t. It’s their call at this point. The science and numbers show vaccines work. We are a free society, you can’t have it both ways. Freedom to speak your mind, freedom to worship a god of your choice, freedom of the press and freedom to choose if you want to get vaccinated or not. The doom and gloom needs to stop. If you want to play with your life and choose not to that’s on you. We don’t need media constantly throwing despair in our face 24/7 any longer.

However, the consequence of one's choice not to vaccinate is not limited to that individual.

Some people want to drive drunk, but this fascist country with all it's rules & laws won't let them. 

Don't tread on me!!!!!!!

This is a great parallel.  Imagine if you had to pass a breathalyzer test to start your car?  Every car, not just the person who is forced to after multiple DUIs. 

#1, I think this is a good idea.

#2, people would lose their fucking minds.  "What happened to our freedom?!"

DUI's make county's/cities money.  Plus if you had to pay for said breathalizer in your car I think you should be pissed.

Because DUIs are profitable? 30 people die each day in the US from alcohol-related car crashes. Money is not more important than saving lives.

Meltdown99

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/vaccinated-people-spreading-delta-variant-just-as-quickly-as-the-unvaccinated-leaked-cdc-document

Vaccinated people spreading Delta variant just as quickly as the unvaccinated: Leaked CDC document

Thank you China for this wonderful gift…

and just to think that in 8 months or so the world is dumb enough to go to the Olympics in China…

HughFreakingDillon

mickeyrat said:

Merkin Baller said:

I have no problem putting a piece of cloth over my face if it’s in the interest of protecting the immune compromised or those who want but can’t get a vaccine, because it’s a minor inconvenience at best. 

My goodness, imagine if some of you came of age during WWII or Vietnam & got drafted? What we’re being asked to do for our country right now doesn’t even compare. 

Get some perspective in your lives. 

he speaks directly to your point.

https://youtu.be/6HQSMpS8KaU

fabulously put

cblock4life

F Me In The Brain said:

Merkin Baller said:

Hobbes said:

elvistheking44 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

elvistheking44 said:

CM189191 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This is the cover of today’s post here in NY. This is typically a right leaning newspaper. 

Take what you will from it. Can anyone debunk them numbers? Are they right?

'typically a right leaning newspaper' is an understatement

The numbers are right.  It's the conclusion that is wrong.

The conclusion is opinion….right or wrong. The numbers are facts. We’ve been told to follow the science, look at the numbers, look at the data…..when does it end? I just don’t get it. 

So what do you take from those numbers?  How do you follow the science?

Do you get vaccinated?

Only about 50% of the population of the US is vaccinated.  This is why there is still reason for very serious measures to be taken...

Fully vaccinated here, entire family is. I only know a few that aren’t. It’s their call at this point. The science and numbers show vaccines work. We are a free society, you can’t have it both ways. Freedom to speak your mind, freedom to worship a god of your choice, freedom of the press and freedom to choose if you want to get vaccinated or not. The doom and gloom needs to stop. If you want to play with your life and choose not to that’s on you. We don’t need media constantly throwing despair in our face 24/7 any longer.

However, the consequence of one's choice not to vaccinate is not limited to that individual.

Some people want to drive drunk, but this fascist country with all it's rules & laws won't let them. 

Don't tread on me!!!!!!!

This is a great parallel.  Imagine if you had to pass a breathalyzer test to start your car?  Every car, not just the person who is forced to after multiple DUIs. 

#1, I think this is a good idea.

#2, people would lose their fucking minds.  "What happened to our freedom?!"

If we can add no cell service when the motors on would help too

Apologies for going off topic just think the breathalyzer, no cell service, and max speed (factory installed) would save lots of lives…

Merkin Baller

mickeyrat said:

Merkin Baller said:

I have no problem putting a piece of cloth over my face if it’s in the interest of protecting the immune compromised or those who want but can’t get a vaccine, because it’s a minor inconvenience at best. 

My goodness, imagine if some of you came of age during WWII or Vietnam & got drafted? What we’re being asked to do for our country right now doesn’t even compare. 

Get some perspective in your lives. 

he speaks directly to your point.

https://youtu.be/6HQSMpS8KaU

He hits the nail on the head when pointing out that the people most resistant to the masks are the same people that latch onto and fetishize the military and the sacrifices that are made to serve. 

The absurdity of it all is staggering. 

tempo_n_groove

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

I have no problem putting a piece of cloth over my face if it’s in the interest of protecting the immune compromised or those who want but can’t get a vaccine, because it’s a minor inconvenience at best. 

My goodness, imagine if some of you came of age during WWII or Vietnam & got drafted? What we’re being asked to do for our country right now doesn’t even compare. 

Get some perspective in your lives. 

If that happened today 1/2 the country would think it's a conspiracy.  The draft most likely will never happen again because of Vietnam though.

Miss my point more. 

I put it in perspective in todays way of thinking.  What point did I miss?

The point that the sacrifice modern day Americans are being asked to make for the well being of the country is nothing compared to that of past generations of Americans. 

That type of sacrifice would make 1/2 the country think it's a conspiracy is what I was getting at, just look at the mask thing now.  We as a country could most likely never do what they did back then, I am in agreement with that.

tempo_n_groove

Hobbes said:

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Merkin Baller said:

Hobbes said:

elvistheking44 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

elvistheking44 said:

CM189191 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This is the cover of today’s post here in NY. This is typically a right leaning newspaper. 

Take what you will from it. Can anyone debunk them numbers? Are they right?

'typically a right leaning newspaper' is an understatement

The numbers are right.  It's the conclusion that is wrong.

The conclusion is opinion….right or wrong. The numbers are facts. We’ve been told to follow the science, look at the numbers, look at the data…..when does it end? I just don’t get it. 

So what do you take from those numbers?  How do you follow the science?

Do you get vaccinated?

Only about 50% of the population of the US is vaccinated.  This is why there is still reason for very serious measures to be taken...

Fully vaccinated here, entire family is. I only know a few that aren’t. It’s their call at this point. The science and numbers show vaccines work. We are a free society, you can’t have it both ways. Freedom to speak your mind, freedom to worship a god of your choice, freedom of the press and freedom to choose if you want to get vaccinated or not. The doom and gloom needs to stop. If you want to play with your life and choose not to that’s on you. We don’t need media constantly throwing despair in our face 24/7 any longer.

However, the consequence of one's choice not to vaccinate is not limited to that individual.

Some people want to drive drunk, but this fascist country with all it's rules & laws won't let them. 

Don't tread on me!!!!!!!

This is a great parallel.  Imagine if you had to pass a breathalyzer test to start your car?  Every car, not just the person who is forced to after multiple DUIs. 

#1, I think this is a good idea.

#2, people would lose their fucking minds.  "What happened to our freedom?!"

DUI's make county's/cities money.  Plus if you had to pay for said breathalizer in your car I think you should be pissed.

Because DUIs are profitable? 30 people die each day in the US from alcohol-related car crashes. Money is not more important than saving lives.

Please by all means look into it.  

OnWis97

If DUI laws had come about when there was an internet, social media, and "owning the libs," I'd bet there would be legitimate resistance to those laws. The Madison Cawthorns of the day would be calling it socialism.  What better "Freedom without responsibility" is there than being able to drive drunk? And this is where they are now; freedom without responsibility. 

Fortunately, many responsibilities are imbedded into our culture enough that they're not going away; at least not any time soon. Right now, not even one of these conservative elected pundits would try to make what is actually a kind of logical leap to the liberty inherent in driving drunk.

Merkin Baller

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

I have no problem putting a piece of cloth over my face if it’s in the interest of protecting the immune compromised or those who want but can’t get a vaccine, because it’s a minor inconvenience at best. 

My goodness, imagine if some of you came of age during WWII or Vietnam & got drafted? What we’re being asked to do for our country right now doesn’t even compare. 

Get some perspective in your lives. 

If that happened today 1/2 the country would think it's a conspiracy.  The draft most likely will never happen again because of Vietnam though.

Miss my point more. 

I put it in perspective in todays way of thinking.  What point did I miss?

The point that the sacrifice modern day Americans are being asked to make for the well being of the country is nothing compared to that of past generations of Americans. 

That type of sacrifice would make 1/2 the country think it's a conspiracy is what I was getting at, just look at the mask thing now.  We as a country could most likely never do what they did back then, I am in agreement with that.

What you were getting at is a pivot and ignores my point that Americans today are incapable of saying "hey, it's not like I'm being asked to go storm the beach of Normandy, all I'm being asked to do is put on a mask". 

That is the perspective I was getting at in my post that wasn't at all confusing, but congratulations on making it so. 

Well done. 

tempo_n_groove

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

I have no problem putting a piece of cloth over my face if it’s in the interest of protecting the immune compromised or those who want but can’t get a vaccine, because it’s a minor inconvenience at best. 

My goodness, imagine if some of you came of age during WWII or Vietnam & got drafted? What we’re being asked to do for our country right now doesn’t even compare. 

Get some perspective in your lives. 

If that happened today 1/2 the country would think it's a conspiracy.  The draft most likely will never happen again because of Vietnam though.

Miss my point more. 

I put it in perspective in todays way of thinking.  What point did I miss?

The point that the sacrifice modern day Americans are being asked to make for the well being of the country is nothing compared to that of past generations of Americans. 

That type of sacrifice would make 1/2 the country think it's a conspiracy is what I was getting at, just look at the mask thing now.  We as a country could most likely never do what they did back then, I am in agreement with that.

What you were getting at is a pivot and ignores my point that Americans today are incapable of saying "hey, it's not like I'm being asked to go storm the beach of Normandy, all I'm being asked to do is put on a mask". 

That is the perspective I was getting at in my post that wasn't at all confusing, but congratulations on making it so. 

Well done. 

I got that and looked at it another way, a pivot as you say.  My point was in having to give up that much would make 1/2 the country think it's a conspiracy not so much up to the task.

I agreed with you and viewed it another way I don't understand what is wrong with that?

Merkin Baller

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

I have no problem putting a piece of cloth over my face if it’s in the interest of protecting the immune compromised or those who want but can’t get a vaccine, because it’s a minor inconvenience at best. 

My goodness, imagine if some of you came of age during WWII or Vietnam & got drafted? What we’re being asked to do for our country right now doesn’t even compare. 

Get some perspective in your lives. 

If that happened today 1/2 the country would think it's a conspiracy.  The draft most likely will never happen again because of Vietnam though.

Miss my point more. 

I put it in perspective in todays way of thinking.  What point did I miss?

The point that the sacrifice modern day Americans are being asked to make for the well being of the country is nothing compared to that of past generations of Americans. 

That type of sacrifice would make 1/2 the country think it's a conspiracy is what I was getting at, just look at the mask thing now.  We as a country could most likely never do what they did back then, I am in agreement with that.

What you were getting at is a pivot and ignores my point that Americans today are incapable of saying "hey, it's not like I'm being asked to go storm the beach of Normandy, all I'm being asked to do is put on a mask". 

That is the perspective I was getting at in my post that wasn't at all confusing, but congratulations on making it so. 

Well done. 

I got that and looked at it another way, a pivot as you say.  My point was in having to give up that much would make 1/2 the country think it's a conspiracy not so much up to the task.

I agreed with you and viewed it another way I don't understand what is wrong with that?

If you think these responses have been in agreement w/ my initial comment, you should probably revisit your understanding of what it means to agree with someone. 

Spunkie

Interestingly, it was mandatory for me to have a vaccine to be eligibile for travel health insurance for my trip to Ohana.

Hobbes

tempo_n_groove said:

Hobbes said:

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Merkin Baller said:

Hobbes said:

elvistheking44 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

elvistheking44 said:

CM189191 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This is the cover of today’s post here in NY. This is typically a right leaning newspaper. 

Take what you will from it. Can anyone debunk them numbers? Are they right?

'typically a right leaning newspaper' is an understatement

The numbers are right.  It's the conclusion that is wrong.

The conclusion is opinion….right or wrong. The numbers are facts. We’ve been told to follow the science, look at the numbers, look at the data…..when does it end? I just don’t get it. 

So what do you take from those numbers?  How do you follow the science?

Do you get vaccinated?

Only about 50% of the population of the US is vaccinated.  This is why there is still reason for very serious measures to be taken...

Fully vaccinated here, entire family is. I only know a few that aren’t. It’s their call at this point. The science and numbers show vaccines work. We are a free society, you can’t have it both ways. Freedom to speak your mind, freedom to worship a god of your choice, freedom of the press and freedom to choose if you want to get vaccinated or not. The doom and gloom needs to stop. If you want to play with your life and choose not to that’s on you. We don’t need media constantly throwing despair in our face 24/7 any longer.

However, the consequence of one's choice not to vaccinate is not limited to that individual.

Some people want to drive drunk, but this fascist country with all it's rules & laws won't let them. 

Don't tread on me!!!!!!!

This is a great parallel.  Imagine if you had to pass a breathalyzer test to start your car?  Every car, not just the person who is forced to after multiple DUIs. 

#1, I think this is a good idea.

#2, people would lose their fucking minds.  "What happened to our freedom?!"

DUI's make county's/cities money.  Plus if you had to pay for said breathalizer in your car I think you should be pissed.

Because DUIs are profitable? 30 people die each day in the US from alcohol-related car crashes. Money is not more important than saving lives.

Please by all means look into it.  

I'm well-versed, thanks. I am confused as to your position. Are you against this proposal because DUIs are profitable?