Let's first define the "we" doing "too much" testing: It's generally people who feel ill, particularly with Covid symptoms.
So, no, we're not testing too much. Probably too little from what I've observed anecdotally in a mostly Covid-conscious state.
I totally disagree with this statement. All of these mandates are coming out and you have to show proof of vaccination to enter or.... a negative test! If you get contact traced from school or work, you have to wait 14 days or show.... a negative test!
Why are we doing these things if there are no signs or symptoms? Since I have been down this road, I know the responses are going to come back to asymptomatic spread, *which has since been proven to not be a thing.
Related, and this is something I have not looked into, but someone is getting really, really rich on testing in the US. Anyone know who?
Someone got really rich off the statin I take. Therefore I'm not taking it anymore. That'll show 'em.
I said "generally."
But reactionaries gonna reactionary (*and of course, spread a little misinformation while they're at it).
Let's first define the "we" doing "too much" testing: It's generally people who feel ill, particularly with Covid symptoms.
So, no, we're not testing too much. Probably too little from what I've observed anecdotally in a mostly Covid-conscious state.
I totally disagree with this statement. All of these mandates are coming out and you have to show proof of vaccination to enter or.... a negative test! If you get contact traced from school or work, you have to wait 14 days or show.... a negative test!
Why are we doing these things if there are no signs or symptoms? Since I have been down this road, I know the responses are going to come back to asymptomatic spread, which has since been proven to not be a thing.
Related, and this is something I have not looked into, but someone is getting really, really rich on testing in the US. Anyone know who?
show me your data that suggests asymptomatic spread is not a thing.
Here I am getting accused of spreading misinformation, which oddly enough is the reason I got my timeout, or as I call it, my #FauciOuchie. It is so dangerous for people to judge what mis (or dis) information is. I define minsformation as information that goes against the narrative of "my" party and ultimately "The" party. Prove me wrong.
Anywho, to my point, maybe I should have said asymp spread is virtually non-existent, maybe "not a thing" was a little much. Anyways, let's look at the data.
Stringent COVID-19 control measures were imposed in Wuhan between January 23 and April 8, 2020. Estimates of the prevalence of infection following the release of restrictions could inform post-lockdown pandemic management. Here, we describe a city-wide SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid screening programme between May 14 and June 1, 2020 in Wuhan. All city residents aged six years or older were eligible and 9,899,828 (92.9%) participated. No new symptomatic cases and 300 asymptomatic cases (detection rate 0.303/10,000, 95% CI 0.270–0.339/10,000) were identified. There were no positive tests amongst 1,174 close contacts of asymptomatic cases. 107 of 34,424 previously recovered COVID-19 patients tested positive again (re-positive rate 0.31%, 95% CI 0.423–0.574%). The prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 infection in Wuhan was therefore very low five to eight weeks after the end of lockdown.
ResultsA total of 54 relevant studies with 77 758 participants reporting household secondary transmission were identified. Estimated household secondary attack rate was 16.6% (95% CI, 14.0%-19.3%), higher than secondary attack rates for SARS-CoV (7.5%; 95% CI, 4.8%-10.7%) and MERS-CoV (4.7%; 95% CI, 0.9%-10.7%). Household secondary attack rates were increased from symptomatic index cases (18.0%; 95% CI, 14.2%-22.1%) than from asymptomatic index cases (0.7%; 95% CI, 0%-4.9%), to adult contacts (28.3%; 95% CI, 20.2%-37.1%) than to child contacts (16.8%; 95% CI, 12.3%-21.7%), to spouses (37.8%; 95% CI, 25.8%-50.5%) than to other family contacts (17.8%; 95% CI, 11.7%-24.8%), and in households with 1 contact (41.5%; 95% CI, 31.7%-51.7%) than in households with 3 or more contacts (22.8%; 95% CI, 13.6%-33.5%).
“From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual,” Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of WHO’s emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, said at a news briefing from the United Nations agency’s Geneva headquarters. “It’s very rare.”
Let's first define the "we" doing "too much" testing: It's generally people who feel ill, particularly with Covid symptoms.
So, no, we're not testing too much. Probably too little from what I've observed anecdotally in a mostly Covid-conscious state.
I totally disagree with this statement. All of these mandates are coming out and you have to show proof of vaccination to enter or.... a negative test! If you get contact traced from school or work, you have to wait 14 days or show.... a negative test!
Why are we doing these things if there are no signs or symptoms? Since I have been down this road, I know the responses are going to come back to asymptomatic spread, which has since been proven to not be a thing.
Related, and this is something I have not looked into, but someone is getting really, really rich on testing in the US. Anyone know who?
The list of companies that are producing COVID-19 diagnostic tests is a long one, when you include both PCR and antigen tests, as well as both medically delivered and self-tests. And I disagree that we are testing too much in general.
Not directed at you but to the people who think we are not testing enough, a lady who works with my wife at a local hospital is fully vaccinated and had the virus. Well, her son swallowed a quarter the other day and they took him to Vanderbilt. It was then Vandy tested the kid and found he had the virus. No symptoms. So now, the lady who has had the virus and vaccine has to show a negative test to return to work or quarantine. How does any of that make sense?
And a side point, but whatever happened to natural immunity? Why is that not discussed at all anymore?
Preliminary lab results suggest that the lambda variant may be more infectious and at least somewhat resistant to neutralizing antibodies from the vaccines.
If/when we do face a variant that escapes protection offered by the current vaccines, I think there is a high likelihood that the mRNA vaccines can be tweaked to be more specifically targeted, but this means getting back into waiting for vaccine production and roll out.
Who gets tested if fully vaxxed? Probably the same people who go to the ER with a stubbed toe…
The vaccine was touted as a return to normal…that’s going well
My point exactly. And the crazy thing is, there seems to be a decent part of the population here in the US that is perfectly ok with it.
I’m in Ontario and some docs are saying a 4th wave is coming and and maybe another lockdown…and if that happens, just like sheep we in Ontario will do it. How come the politicians and doctors who advise lockdowns never give up their pay…the politicians in Canada have been giving themselves raises and calling elections…the people who want lockdowns have not lost a paycheque. I’m am amazed that this virus is immune to big box stores, manufacturing facilities etc…because they are somehow essential…
Who gets tested if fully vaxxed? Probably the same people who go to the ER with a stubbed toe…
The vaccine was touted as a return to normal…that’s going well
My point exactly. And the crazy thing is, there seems to be a decent part of the population here in the US that is perfectly ok with it.
I’m in Ontario and some docs are saying a 4th wave is coming and and maybe another lockdown…and if that happens, just like sheep we in Ontario will do it. How come the politicians and doctors who advise lockdowns never give up their pay…the politicians in Canada have been giving themselves raises and calling elections…the people who want lockdowns have not lost a paycheque. I’m am amazed that this virus is immune to big box stores, manufacturing facilities etc…because they are somehow essential…
So you think that if a govt official supports a lockdown they relinquish pay? What kind of half asset logic is that? Do you think that will lead a person to make the best possible decision?
Who gets tested if fully vaxxed? Probably the same people who go to the ER with a stubbed toe…
The vaccine was touted as a return to normal…that’s going well
My point exactly. And the crazy thing is, there seems to be a decent part of the population here in the US that is perfectly ok with it.
I’m in Ontario and some docs are saying a 4th wave is coming and and maybe another lockdown…and if that happens, just like sheep we in Ontario will do it. How come the politicians and doctors who advise lockdowns never give up their pay…the politicians in Canada have been giving themselves raises and calling elections…the people who want lockdowns have not lost a paycheque. I’m am amazed that this virus is immune to big box stores, manufacturing facilities etc…because they are somehow essential…
You sound just like this Brostadamus, who is also Canadian...
Who gets tested if fully vaxxed? Probably the same people who go to the ER with a stubbed toe…
The vaccine was touted as a return to normal…that’s going well
My point exactly. And the crazy thing is, there seems to be a decent part of the population here in the US that is perfectly ok with it.
I’m in Ontario and some docs are saying a 4th wave is coming and and maybe another lockdown…and if that happens, just like sheep we in Ontario will do it. How come the politicians and doctors who advise lockdowns never give up their pay…the politicians in Canada have been giving themselves raises and calling elections…the people who want lockdowns have not lost a paycheque. I’m am amazed that this virus is immune to big box stores, manufacturing facilities etc…because they are somehow essential…
So you think that if a govt official supports a lockdown they relinquish pay? What kind of half asset logic is that? Do you think that will lead a person to make the best possible decision?
He’s not saying they should lose their pay, he’s saying IF they lost their income like millions of people have….their choice to lock down may be different.
Who gets tested if fully vaxxed? Probably the same people who go to the ER with a stubbed toe…
The vaccine was touted as a return to normal…that’s going well
My point exactly. And the crazy thing is, there seems to be a decent part of the population here in the US that is perfectly ok with it.
I’m in Ontario and some docs are saying a 4th wave is coming and and maybe another lockdown…and if that happens, just like sheep we in Ontario will do it. How come the politicians and doctors who advise lockdowns never give up their pay…the politicians in Canada have been giving themselves raises and calling elections…the people who want lockdowns have not lost a paycheque. I’m am amazed that this virus is immune to big box stores, manufacturing facilities etc…because they are somehow essential…
You sound just like this Brostadamus, who is also Canadian...
Who gets tested if fully vaxxed? Probably the same people who go to the ER with a stubbed toe…
The vaccine was touted as a return to normal…that’s going well
My point exactly. And the crazy thing is, there seems to be a decent part of the population here in the US that is perfectly ok with it.
I’m in Ontario and some docs are saying a 4th wave is coming and and maybe another lockdown…and if that happens, just like sheep we in Ontario will do it. How come the politicians and doctors who advise lockdowns never give up their pay…the politicians in Canada have been giving themselves raises and calling elections…the people who want lockdowns have not lost a paycheque. I’m am amazed that this virus is immune to big box stores, manufacturing facilities etc…because they are somehow essential…
So you think that if a govt official supports a lockdown they relinquish pay? What kind of half asset logic is that? Do you think that will lead a person to make the best possible decision?
He’s not saying they should lose their pay, he’s saying IF they lost their income like millions of people have….their choice to lock down may be different.
I live in a blue state. None of our restaurants were mandated to closed down by force of law. The argument doesn't make sense. But then of course we also provided massive unemployment benefits, eliminated foreclosure procedures with fed guaranteed loans, created a student loan forebearance program, all to the point where we now have more jobs than people willing to work. But sure, yeah the point makes perfect sense. The gov't forcibly shut down the economy and then did nothing to help. We must live in different worlds.
Who gets tested if fully vaxxed? Probably the same people who go to the ER with a stubbed toe…
The vaccine was touted as a return to normal…that’s going well
My point exactly. And the crazy thing is, there seems to be a decent part of the population here in the US that is perfectly ok with it.
I’m in Ontario and some docs are saying a 4th wave is coming and and maybe another lockdown…and if that happens, just like sheep we in Ontario will do it. How come the politicians and doctors who advise lockdowns never give up their pay…the politicians in Canada have been giving themselves raises and calling elections…the people who want lockdowns have not lost a paycheque. I’m am amazed that this virus is immune to big box stores, manufacturing facilities etc…because they are somehow essential…
So you think that if a govt official supports a lockdown they relinquish pay? What kind of half asset logic is that? Do you think that will lead a person to make the best possible decision?
He’s not saying they should lose their pay, he’s saying IF they lost their income like millions of people have….their choice to lock down may be different.
I live in a blue state. None of our restaurants were mandated to closed down by force of law. The argument doesn't make sense. But then of course we also provided massive unemployment benefits, eliminated foreclosure procedures with fed guaranteed loans, created a student loan forebearance program, all to the point where we now have more jobs than people willing to work. But sure, yeah the point makes perfect sense. The gov't forcibly shut down the economy and then did nothing to help. We must live in different worlds.
Sounds just like the Brostadamus predicted... A lot of people depending on the government thus creating a slave class...
Who gets tested if fully vaxxed? Probably the same people who go to the ER with a stubbed toe…
The vaccine was touted as a return to normal…that’s going well
My point exactly. And the crazy thing is, there seems to be a decent part of the population here in the US that is perfectly ok with it.
I’m in Ontario and some docs are saying a 4th wave is coming and and maybe another lockdown…and if that happens, just like sheep we in Ontario will do it. How come the politicians and doctors who advise lockdowns never give up their pay…the politicians in Canada have been giving themselves raises and calling elections…the people who want lockdowns have not lost a paycheque. I’m am amazed that this virus is immune to big box stores, manufacturing facilities etc…because they are somehow essential…
So you think that if a govt official supports a lockdown they relinquish pay? What kind of half asset logic is that? Do you think that will lead a person to make the best possible decision?
He’s not saying they should lose their pay, he’s saying IF they lost their income like millions of people have….their choice to lock down may be different.
I live in a blue state. None of our restaurants were mandated to closed down by force of law. The argument doesn't make sense. But then of course we also provided massive unemployment benefits, eliminated foreclosure procedures with fed guaranteed loans, created a student loan forebearance program, all to the point where we now have more jobs than people willing to work. But sure, yeah the point makes perfect sense. The gov't forcibly shut down the economy and then did nothing to help. We must live in different worlds.
Sounds just like the Brostadamus predicted... A lot of people depending on the government thus creating a slave class...
Well the unemployment benefits are winding down, forebearance will be over soon and guess what, no one is forced to stay home and not work. So "Brostradamus" sounds like an idiot to me, but whatever dude. You've been so accurate and had such high level critical thinking, why wouldn't you gravitate towards someone called "Brostradamus".
The idiot running this country has been getting bitched slapped by China since the Meng arrest and they are holding 2 Canadians hostage…what a joke.
The idiot PM is in bed with his Chinese buddies…
Canada and USA have been in bed with China for decades. If you don't like it, stop buying anything made in China ... and by the way, good luck with that.
You hate on Trudeau so much it's kind of weird... some of which for good reason. But you would be naive to think that any other leader would be 'tougher' on China.
Also.. get the vaccine people.
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Toronto I&II, Las Vegas 2006
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Cleveland, Buffalo 2010
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Who gets tested if fully vaxxed? Probably the same people who go to the ER with a stubbed toe…
The vaccine was touted as a return to normal…that’s going well
My point exactly. And the crazy thing is, there seems to be a decent part of the population here in the US that is perfectly ok with it.
I’m in Ontario and some docs are saying a 4th wave is coming and and maybe another lockdown…and if that happens, just like sheep we in Ontario will do it. How come the politicians and doctors who advise lockdowns never give up their pay…the politicians in Canada have been giving themselves raises and calling elections…the people who want lockdowns have not lost a paycheque. I’m am amazed that this virus is immune to big box stores, manufacturing facilities etc…because they are somehow essential…
So you think that if a govt official supports a lockdown they relinquish pay? What kind of half asset logic is that? Do you think that will lead a person to make the best possible decision?
He’s not saying they should lose their pay, he’s saying IF they lost their income like millions of people have….their choice to lock down may be different.
I live in a blue state. None of our restaurants were mandated to closed down by force of law. The argument doesn't make sense. But then of course we also provided massive unemployment benefits, eliminated foreclosure procedures with fed guaranteed loans, created a student loan forebearance program, all to the point where we now have more jobs than people willing to work. But sure, yeah the point makes perfect sense. The gov't forcibly shut down the economy and then did nothing to help. We must live in different worlds.
Sounds just like the Brostadamus predicted... A lot of people depending on the government thus creating a slave class...
I hate that Chris Sky penetrated this thread.
This is hopefully easy to understand:
If the entire population followed the advice of Chris Sky, would more people be dead and ill?
So to dumb that down a bit... during a global pandemic of a lethal virus.. if people were allowed to do whatever they want, when they wanted.. if they exercised 'total freedom' would more people be dead and ill? If absolutely nobody took the vaccine, where would we be?
I love it when people use buzz words like 'sheep.' Sheep Sheep Sheep. Do you pay taxes? If so, you're a sheep. I would love to meet any person who could absolutely prove to me that during their life they were never a 'sheep.' While we're at it... which society on earth has a system of life where they do not have rule of law?
I don't mind being a sheep. I like it. I understand it. It represents 'order.' I don't agree with it all the time, but I understand that without it, there would be chaos. You speak of the slave class. As if it's a really bad thing that we follow rules and laws.
I hope this hits the mark where it's intended here... but without those same rules and laws, I would punch the smug smile right off that asshat Chris Sky's face.
Toronto 2000
Buffalo, Phoenix, Toronto 2003
Boston I&II 2004
Kitchener, Hamilton, London, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2005
Toronto I&II, Las Vegas 2006
Chicago Lollapalooza 2007
Toronto, Seattle I&II, Vancouver, Philly I,II,III,IV 2009
Cleveland, Buffalo 2010
Toronto I&II 2011
Buffalo 2013 Toronto I&II 2016 10C: 220xxx
Who gets tested if fully vaxxed? Probably the same people who go to the ER with a stubbed toe…
The vaccine was touted as a return to normal…that’s going well
My point exactly. And the crazy thing is, there seems to be a decent part of the population here in the US that is perfectly ok with it.
I’m in Ontario and some docs are saying a 4th wave is coming and and maybe another lockdown…and if that happens, just like sheep we in Ontario will do it. How come the politicians and doctors who advise lockdowns never give up their pay…the politicians in Canada have been giving themselves raises and calling elections…the people who want lockdowns have not lost a paycheque. I’m am amazed that this virus is immune to big box stores, manufacturing facilities etc…because they are somehow essential…
So you think that if a govt official supports a lockdown they relinquish pay? What kind of half asset logic is that? Do you think that will lead a person to make the best possible decision?
He’s not saying they should lose their pay, he’s saying IF they lost their income like millions of people have….their choice to lock down may be different.
I live in a blue state. None of our restaurants were mandated to closed down by force of law. The argument doesn't make sense. But then of course we also provided massive unemployment benefits, eliminated foreclosure procedures with fed guaranteed loans, created a student loan forebearance program, all to the point where we now have more jobs than people willing to work. But sure, yeah the point makes perfect sense. The gov't forcibly shut down the economy and then did nothing to help. We must live in different worlds.
Sounds just like the Brostadamus predicted... A lot of people depending on the government thus creating a slave class...
Well the unemployment benefits are winding down, forebearance will be over soon and guess what, no one is forced to stay home and not work. So "Brostradamus" sounds like an idiot to me, but whatever dude. You've been so accurate and had such high level critical thinking, why wouldn't you gravitate towards someone called "Brostradamus".
Who gets tested if fully vaxxed? Probably the same people who go to the ER with a stubbed toe…
The vaccine was touted as a return to normal…that’s going well
My point exactly. And the crazy thing is, there seems to be a decent part of the population here in the US that is perfectly ok with it.
I’m in Ontario and some docs are saying a 4th wave is coming and and maybe another lockdown…and if that happens, just like sheep we in Ontario will do it. How come the politicians and doctors who advise lockdowns never give up their pay…the politicians in Canada have been giving themselves raises and calling elections…the people who want lockdowns have not lost a paycheque. I’m am amazed that this virus is immune to big box stores, manufacturing facilities etc…because they are somehow essential…
So you think that if a govt official supports a lockdown they relinquish pay? What kind of half asset logic is that? Do you think that will lead a person to make the best possible decision?
He’s not saying they should lose their pay, he’s saying IF they lost their income like millions of people have….their choice to lock down may be different.
I live in a blue state. None of our restaurants were mandated to closed down by force of law. The argument doesn't make sense. But then of course we also provided massive unemployment benefits, eliminated foreclosure procedures with fed guaranteed loans, created a student loan forebearance program, all to the point where we now have more jobs than people willing to work. But sure, yeah the point makes perfect sense. The gov't forcibly shut down the economy and then did nothing to help. We must live in different worlds.
Sounds just like the Brostadamus predicted... A lot of people depending on the government thus creating a slave class...
Well the unemployment benefits are winding down, forebearance will be over soon and guess what, no one is forced to stay home and not work. So "Brostradamus" sounds like an idiot to me, but whatever dude. You've been so accurate and had such high level critical thinking, why wouldn't you gravitate towards someone called "Brostradamus".
Let's first define the "we" doing "too much" testing: It's generally people who feel ill, particularly with Covid symptoms.
So, no, we're not testing too much. Probably too little from what I've observed anecdotally in a mostly Covid-conscious state.
I totally disagree with this statement. All of these mandates are coming out and you have to show proof of vaccination to enter or.... a negative test! If you get contact traced from school or work, you have to wait 14 days or show.... a negative test!
Why are we doing these things if there are no signs or symptoms? Since I have been down this road, I know the responses are going to come back to asymptomatic spread, *which has since been proven to not be a thing.
Related, and this is something I have not looked into, but someone is getting really, really rich on testing in the US. Anyone know who?
Someone got really rich off the statin I take. Therefore I'm not taking it anymore. That'll show 'em.
I said "generally."
But reactionaries gonna reactionary (*and of course, spread a little misinformation while they're at it).
Let's first define the "we" doing "too much" testing: It's generally people who feel ill, particularly with Covid symptoms.
So, no, we're not testing too much. Probably too little from what I've observed anecdotally in a mostly Covid-conscious state.
I totally disagree with this statement. All of these mandates are coming out and you have to show proof of vaccination to enter or.... a negative test! If you get contact traced from school or work, you have to wait 14 days or show.... a negative test!
Why are we doing these things if there are no signs or symptoms? Since I have been down this road, I know the responses are going to come back to asymptomatic spread, which has since been proven to not be a thing.
Related, and this is something I have not looked into, but someone is getting really, really rich on testing in the US. Anyone know who?
show me your data that suggests asymptomatic spread is not a thing.
Here I am getting accused of spreading misinformation, which oddly enough is the reason I got my timeout, or as I call it, my #FauciOuchie. It is so dangerous for people to judge what mis (or dis) information is. I define minsformation as information that goes against the narrative of "my" party and ultimately "The" party. Prove me wrong.
Anywho, to my point, maybe I should have said asymp spread is virtually non-existent, maybe "not a thing" was a little much. Anyways, let's look at the data.
Stringent COVID-19 control measures were imposed in Wuhan between January 23 and April 8, 2020. Estimates of the prevalence of infection following the release of restrictions could inform post-lockdown pandemic management. Here, we describe a city-wide SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid screening programme between May 14 and June 1, 2020 in Wuhan. All city residents aged six years or older were eligible and 9,899,828 (92.9%) participated. No new symptomatic cases and 300 asymptomatic cases (detection rate 0.303/10,000, 95% CI 0.270–0.339/10,000) were identified. There were no positive tests amongst 1,174 close contacts of asymptomatic cases. 107 of 34,424 previously recovered COVID-19 patients tested positive again (re-positive rate 0.31%, 95% CI 0.423–0.574%). The prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 infection in Wuhan was therefore very low five to eight weeks after the end of lockdown.
ResultsA total of 54 relevant studies with 77 758 participants reporting household secondary transmission were identified. Estimated household secondary attack rate was 16.6% (95% CI, 14.0%-19.3%), higher than secondary attack rates for SARS-CoV (7.5%; 95% CI, 4.8%-10.7%) and MERS-CoV (4.7%; 95% CI, 0.9%-10.7%). Household secondary attack rates were increased from symptomatic index cases (18.0%; 95% CI, 14.2%-22.1%) than from asymptomatic index cases (0.7%; 95% CI, 0%-4.9%), to adult contacts (28.3%; 95% CI, 20.2%-37.1%) than to child contacts (16.8%; 95% CI, 12.3%-21.7%), to spouses (37.8%; 95% CI, 25.8%-50.5%) than to other family contacts (17.8%; 95% CI, 11.7%-24.8%), and in households with 1 contact (41.5%; 95% CI, 31.7%-51.7%) than in households with 3 or more contacts (22.8%; 95% CI, 13.6%-33.5%).
“From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual,” Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of WHO’s emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, said at a news briefing from the United Nations agency’s Geneva headquarters. “It’s very rare.”
June of 2020.
think science knows a skosh bit more this year than last.
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Let's first define the "we" doing "too much" testing: It's generally people who feel ill, particularly with Covid symptoms.
So, no, we're not testing too much. Probably too little from what I've observed anecdotally in a mostly Covid-conscious state.
I totally disagree with this statement. All of these mandates are coming out and you have to show proof of vaccination to enter or.... a negative test! If you get contact traced from school or work, you have to wait 14 days or show.... a negative test!
Why are we doing these things if there are no signs or symptoms? Since I have been down this road, I know the responses are going to come back to asymptomatic spread, *which has since been proven to not be a thing.
Related, and this is something I have not looked into, but someone is getting really, really rich on testing in the US. Anyone know who?
Someone got really rich off the statin I take. Therefore I'm not taking it anymore. That'll show 'em.
I said "generally."
But reactionaries gonna reactionary (*and of course, spread a little misinformation while they're at it).
Let's first define the "we" doing "too much" testing: It's generally people who feel ill, particularly with Covid symptoms.
So, no, we're not testing too much. Probably too little from what I've observed anecdotally in a mostly Covid-conscious state.
I totally disagree with this statement. All of these mandates are coming out and you have to show proof of vaccination to enter or.... a negative test! If you get contact traced from school or work, you have to wait 14 days or show.... a negative test!
Why are we doing these things if there are no signs or symptoms? Since I have been down this road, I know the responses are going to come back to asymptomatic spread, which has since been proven to not be a thing.
Related, and this is something I have not looked into, but someone is getting really, really rich on testing in the US. Anyone know who?
show me your data that suggests asymptomatic spread is not a thing.
Here I am getting accused of spreading misinformation, which oddly enough is the reason I got my timeout, or as I call it, my #FauciOuchie. It is so dangerous for people to judge what mis (or dis) information is. I define minsformation as information that goes against the narrative of "my" party and ultimately "The" party. Prove me wrong.
Anywho, to my point, maybe I should have said asymp spread is virtually non-existent, maybe "not a thing" was a little much. Anyways, let's look at the data.
Stringent COVID-19 control measures were imposed in Wuhan between January 23 and April 8, 2020. Estimates of the prevalence of infection following the release of restrictions could inform post-lockdown pandemic management. Here, we describe a city-wide SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid screening programme between May 14 and June 1, 2020 in Wuhan. All city residents aged six years or older were eligible and 9,899,828 (92.9%) participated. No new symptomatic cases and 300 asymptomatic cases (detection rate 0.303/10,000, 95% CI 0.270–0.339/10,000) were identified. There were no positive tests amongst 1,174 close contacts of asymptomatic cases. 107 of 34,424 previously recovered COVID-19 patients tested positive again (re-positive rate 0.31%, 95% CI 0.423–0.574%). The prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 infection in Wuhan was therefore very low five to eight weeks after the end of lockdown.
Results A total of 54 relevant studies with 77 758 participants reporting household secondary transmission were identified. Estimated household secondary attack rate was 16.6% (95% CI, 14.0%-19.3%), higher than secondary attack rates for SARS-CoV (7.5%; 95% CI, 4.8%-10.7%) and MERS-CoV (4.7%; 95% CI, 0.9%-10.7%). Household secondary attack rates were increased from symptomatic index cases (18.0%; 95% CI, 14.2%-22.1%) than from asymptomatic index cases (0.7%; 95% CI, 0%-4.9%), to adult contacts (28.3%; 95% CI, 20.2%-37.1%) than to child contacts (16.8%; 95% CI, 12.3%-21.7%), to spouses (37.8%; 95% CI, 25.8%-50.5%) than to other family contacts (17.8%; 95% CI, 11.7%-24.8%), and in households with 1 contact (41.5%; 95% CI, 31.7%-51.7%) than in households with 3 or more contacts (22.8%; 95% CI, 13.6%-33.5%).
“From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual,” Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of WHO’s emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, said at a news briefing from the United Nations agency’s Geneva headquarters. “It’s very rare.”
June of 2020.
think science knows a skosh bit more this year than last.
I think AOC knows a skosh bit more too... Check out the science at work here!
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Anywho, to my point, maybe I should have said asymp spread is virtually non-existent, maybe "not a thing" was a little much. Anyways, let's look at the data.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w
Stringent COVID-19 control measures were imposed in Wuhan between January 23 and April 8, 2020. Estimates of the prevalence of infection following the release of restrictions could inform post-lockdown pandemic management. Here, we describe a city-wide SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid screening programme between May 14 and June 1, 2020 in Wuhan. All city residents aged six years or older were eligible and 9,899,828 (92.9%) participated. No new symptomatic cases and 300 asymptomatic cases (detection rate 0.303/10,000, 95% CI 0.270–0.339/10,000) were identified. There were no positive tests amongst 1,174 close contacts of asymptomatic cases. 107 of 34,424 previously recovered COVID-19 patients tested positive again (re-positive rate 0.31%, 95% CI 0.423–0.574%). The prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 infection in Wuhan was therefore very low five to eight weeks after the end of lockdown.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774102
Results A total of 54 relevant studies with 77 758 participants reporting household secondary transmission were identified. Estimated household secondary attack rate was 16.6% (95% CI, 14.0%-19.3%), higher than secondary attack rates for SARS-CoV (7.5%; 95% CI, 4.8%-10.7%) and MERS-CoV (4.7%; 95% CI, 0.9%-10.7%). Household secondary attack rates were increased from symptomatic index cases (18.0%; 95% CI, 14.2%-22.1%) than from asymptomatic index cases (0.7%; 95% CI, 0%-4.9%), to adult contacts (28.3%; 95% CI, 20.2%-37.1%) than to child contacts (16.8%; 95% CI, 12.3%-21.7%), to spouses (37.8%; 95% CI, 25.8%-50.5%) than to other family contacts (17.8%; 95% CI, 11.7%-24.8%), and in households with 1 contact (41.5%; 95% CI, 31.7%-51.7%) than in households with 3 or more contacts (22.8%; 95% CI, 13.6%-33.5%).
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html
“From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual,” Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of WHO’s emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, said at a news briefing from the United Nations agency’s Geneva headquarters. “It’s very rare.”
Not directed at you but to the people who think we are not testing enough, a lady who works with my wife at a local hospital is fully vaccinated and had the virus. Well, her son swallowed a quarter the other day and they took him to Vanderbilt. It was then Vandy tested the kid and found he had the virus. No symptoms. So now, the lady who has had the virus and vaccine has to show a negative test to return to work or quarantine. How does any of that make sense?
And a side point, but whatever happened to natural immunity? Why is that not discussed at all anymore?
The vaccine was touted as a return to normal…that’s going well
counterpoint: you are wrong and have no idea what you're talking about
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They should lose Hannity and give this guy their 9 p.m. slot.
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You hate on Trudeau so much it's kind of weird... some of which for good reason. But you would be naive to think that any other leader would be 'tougher' on China.
Also.. get the vaccine people.
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sounds like a hot take being pushed by rand paul or something.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I hate that Chris Sky penetrated this thread.
This is hopefully easy to understand:
If the entire population followed the advice of Chris Sky, would more people be dead and ill?
So to dumb that down a bit... during a global pandemic of a lethal virus.. if people were allowed to do whatever they want, when they wanted.. if they exercised 'total freedom' would more people be dead and ill? If absolutely nobody took the vaccine, where would we be?
I love it when people use buzz words like 'sheep.' Sheep Sheep Sheep. Do you pay taxes? If so, you're a sheep. I would love to meet any person who could absolutely prove to me that during their life they were never a 'sheep.' While we're at it... which society on earth has a system of life where they do not have rule of law?
I don't mind being a sheep. I like it. I understand it. It represents 'order.' I don't agree with it all the time, but I understand that without it, there would be chaos. You speak of the slave class. As if it's a really bad thing that we follow rules and laws.
I hope this hits the mark where it's intended here... but without those same rules and laws, I would punch the smug smile right off that asshat Chris Sky's face.
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But yeah, good defense of yourself by pointing to other people.
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