Will we get live PJ shows, as we knew them, in 2021?

Firecloud · January 2021

With demand, shelf life and other factors (multiple required shots, etc) being applied, Americans aren't going to have widespread access to a vaccine until late summer, early fall. There is virtually no chance we're gonna be rocking PJ shows in person this year.

on2legs · January 2021

Firecloud said:

With demand, shelf life and other factors (multiple required shots, etc) being applied, Americans aren't going to have widespread access to a vaccine until late summer, early fall. There is virtually no chance we're gonna be rocking PJ shows in person this year.

Possibly...

But if you scroll through the other threads there were people posting that we would be lucky to have a vaccine by 2022 with the same conviction you're posting with now. Yet we ended up with a vaccine at the end of last year. There is a learning curve to everything and I'm optimistic there will be a much more streamlined process in place in the next month or two that will accelerate the rollout. And only time will tell where that takes us.

davidos · January 2021

No.

The band is not going to want to take ANY chances... The vaccine is still not getting distributed properly. I know someone who got the first shot of the vaccine and got the virus a week and a half later... Both shots are needed and that takes time.

PB11041 · January 2021

This is an impossible question to answer as worded, and the respnoses are equally off. To those who think the band is not coming out until this 100% taken care of, then you are never seeing the band again. Covid-19 is never going to go away, it is extremely likley it, like influezna strains will have constant seasonal mutations and flare-ups. The combination that the virus has proabably infected somewhere between 25-40% of the US population by the end of January (this is a large range because the scientific data is always impercise on how many are infected asymptomatically or even syptomatically but not reported/tested) with vaccination probably puts covid-19 in the rearview roughly about the June time frame. It is more likely they will feel comfortable with a Ohana festival than an Arena show, but it is still unlikely that 2021 happens. It is going to take time for people to adjust to the idea that this virus is with us in some capacity and we are forced to live with it. The Flu was a thing you just think sucks but no one really stopped to think that people die from the flu, because we just become accustom to it because it was an acceptable percentage risk. It is probably going to take at least another year for most people to wrap their head around that with Covid-19 as it becomes less prevelant but still in the world we live.

Merkin Baller · January 2021

No

on2legs said:

Firecloud said:

With demand, shelf life and other factors (multiple required shots, etc) being applied, Americans aren't going to have widespread access to a vaccine until late summer, early fall. There is virtually no chance we're gonna be rocking PJ shows in person this year.

Possibly...

But if you scroll through the other threads there were people posting that we would be lucky to have a vaccine by 2022 with the same conviction you're posting with now. Yet we ended up with a vaccine at the end of last year. There is a learning curve to everything and I'm optimistic there will be a much more streamlined process in place in the next month or two that will accelerate the rollout. And only time will tell where that takes us.

In late April, Fauci predicted we could see a vaccine by January, so no... this wasn't completely unexpected.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/coronavirus/dr-fauci-coronavirus-vaccine-possible-by-january

PB11041 · January 2021

Merkin Baller said:

on2legs said:

Firecloud said:

With demand, shelf life and other factors (multiple required shots, etc) being applied, Americans aren't going to have widespread access to a vaccine until late summer, early fall. There is virtually no chance we're gonna be rocking PJ shows in person this year.

Possibly...

But if you scroll through the other threads there were people posting that we would be lucky to have a vaccine by 2022 with the same conviction you're posting with now. Yet we ended up with a vaccine at the end of last year. There is a learning curve to everything and I'm optimistic there will be a much more streamlined process in place in the next month or two that will accelerate the rollout. And only time will tell where that takes us.
In late April, Fauci predicted we could see a vaccine by January, so no... this wasn't completely unexpected.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/coronavirus/dr-fauci-coronavirus-vaccine-possible-by-january

hes talking about fans not scientists and medical practioners.

bbiggs · January 2021

No

PB11041 said:

Merkin Baller said:

on2legs said:

Firecloud said:

With demand, shelf life and other factors (multiple required shots, etc) being applied, Americans aren't going to have widespread access to a vaccine until late summer, early fall. There is virtually no chance we're gonna be rocking PJ shows in person this year.

Possibly...

But if you scroll through the other threads there were people posting that we would be lucky to have a vaccine by 2022 with the same conviction you're posting with now. Yet we ended up with a vaccine at the end of last year. There is a learning curve to everything and I'm optimistic there will be a much more streamlined process in place in the next month or two that will accelerate the rollout. And only time will tell where that takes us.
In late April, Fauci predicted we could see a vaccine by January, so no... this wasn't completely unexpected.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/coronavirus/dr-fauci-coronavirus-vaccine-possible-by-january

hes talking about fans not scientists and medical practioners.

You mean they're not one in the same?

on2legs · January 2021

Merkin Baller said:

on2legs said:

Firecloud said:

With demand, shelf life and other factors (multiple required shots, etc) being applied, Americans aren't going to have widespread access to a vaccine until late summer, early fall. There is virtually no chance we're gonna be rocking PJ shows in person this year.

Possibly...

But if you scroll through the other threads there were people posting that we would be lucky to have a vaccine by 2022 with the same conviction you're posting with now. Yet we ended up with a vaccine at the end of last year. There is a learning curve to everything and I'm optimistic there will be a much more streamlined process in place in the next month or two that will accelerate the rollout. And only time will tell where that takes us.
In late April, Fauci predicted we could see a vaccine by January, so no... this wasn't completely unexpected.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/coronavirus/dr-fauci-coronavirus-vaccine-possible-by-january

I’m not referring to Fauci. I’m talking about people posting here. Unless you’re suggesting Fauci is in the ten club.

Merkin Baller · January 2021

No

on2legs said:

Merkin Baller said:

on2legs said:

Firecloud said:

With demand, shelf life and other factors (multiple required shots, etc) being applied, Americans aren't going to have widespread access to a vaccine until late summer, early fall. There is virtually no chance we're gonna be rocking PJ shows in person this year.

Possibly...

But if you scroll through the other threads there were people posting that we would be lucky to have a vaccine by 2022 with the same conviction you're posting with now. Yet we ended up with a vaccine at the end of last year. There is a learning curve to everything and I'm optimistic there will be a much more streamlined process in place in the next month or two that will accelerate the rollout. And only time will tell where that takes us.
In late April, Fauci predicted we could see a vaccine by January, so no... this wasn't completely unexpected.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/coronavirus/dr-fauci-coronavirus-vaccine-possible-by-january

I’m not referring to Fauci. I’m talking about people posting here. Unless you’re suggesting Fauci is in the ten club.

Yeah, no kidding you're referring to people posting here, and those people were clearly misinformed.

How do misinformed opinions about vaccine development posted on the 10C forum equate to a learning curve that is going to apply to vaccine distribution?

on2legs · January 2021

Merkin Baller said:

on2legs said:

Merkin Baller said:

on2legs said:

Firecloud said:

With demand, shelf life and other factors (multiple required shots, etc) being applied, Americans aren't going to have widespread access to a vaccine until late summer, early fall. There is virtually no chance we're gonna be rocking PJ shows in person this year.

Possibly...

But if you scroll through the other threads there were people posting that we would be lucky to have a vaccine by 2022 with the same conviction you're posting with now. Yet we ended up with a vaccine at the end of last year. There is a learning curve to everything and I'm optimistic there will be a much more streamlined process in place in the next month or two that will accelerate the rollout. And only time will tell where that takes us.
In late April, Fauci predicted we could see a vaccine by January, so no... this wasn't completely unexpected.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/coronavirus/dr-fauci-coronavirus-vaccine-possible-by-january

I’m not referring to Fauci. I’m talking about people posting here. Unless you’re suggesting Fauci is in the ten club.

Yeah, no kidding you're referring to people posting here, and those people were clearly misinformed.

How do misinformed opinions about vaccine development posted on the 10C forum equate to a learning curve that is going to apply to vaccine distribution?

Yeah... not really into debating with you. I was just clarifying who I was referring to. Have a great day

Merkin Baller · January 2021

No

on2legs said:

Merkin Baller said:

on2legs said:

Merkin Baller said:

on2legs said:

Firecloud said:

With demand, shelf life and other factors (multiple required shots, etc) being applied, Americans aren't going to have widespread access to a vaccine until late summer, early fall. There is virtually no chance we're gonna be rocking PJ shows in person this year.

Possibly...

But if you scroll through the other threads there were people posting that we would be lucky to have a vaccine by 2022 with the same conviction you're posting with now. Yet we ended up with a vaccine at the end of last year. There is a learning curve to everything and I'm optimistic there will be a much more streamlined process in place in the next month or two that will accelerate the rollout. And only time will tell where that takes us.
In late April, Fauci predicted we could see a vaccine by January, so no... this wasn't completely unexpected.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/coronavirus/dr-fauci-coronavirus-vaccine-possible-by-january

I’m not referring to Fauci. I’m talking about people posting here. Unless you’re suggesting Fauci is in the ten club.

Yeah, no kidding you're referring to people posting here, and those people were clearly misinformed.

How do misinformed opinions about vaccine development posted on the 10C forum equate to a learning curve that is going to apply to vaccine distribution?

Yeah... not really into debating with you. I was just clarifying who I was referring to. Have a great day

lol

on2legs · January 2021

davidos said:

No.

The band is not going to want to take ANY chances... The vaccine is still not getting distributed properly. I know someone who got the first shot of the vaccine and got the virus a week and a half later... Both shots are needed and that takes time.

Totally agree... the band won't perform unless the scientists say it's safe. Hopefully Biden & Co. can get things kicked into high gear shortly and give us a fighting chance for outdoor shows in the fall. If not... 2022 will be an awesome year for Pearl Jam.

JeBurkhardt · January 2021

I am holding out hope for the US in the Fall. Probably fooling myself, but sometimes you need to have something to look forward to.

cutz · January 2021

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Red Rocks Shares 2021 Concert Schedule, Including Joe Russo’s Almost Dead, Tedeschi Trucks Band and More

https://relix.com/news/detail/red-rocks-shares-2021-concert-schedule/?mc_cid=79db08777c&mc_eid=916379c8d6

lastexit78 · January 2021

No

PB11041 said:

This is an impossible question to answer as worded, and the respnoses are equally off. To those who think the band is not coming out until this 100% taken care of, then you are never seeing the band again. Covid-19 is never going to go away, it is extremely likley it, like influezna strains will have constant seasonal mutations and flare-ups. The combination that the virus has proabably infected somewhere between 25-40% of the US population by the end of January (this is a large range because the scientific data is always impercise on how many are infected asymptomatically or even syptomatically but not reported/tested) with vaccination probably puts covid-19 in the rearview roughly about the June time frame. It is more likely they will feel comfortable with a Ohana festival than an Arena show, but it is still unlikely that 2021 happens. It is going to take time for people to adjust to the idea that this virus is with us in some capacity and we are forced to live with it. The Flu was a thing you just think sucks but no one really stopped to think that people die from the flu, because we just become accustom to it because it was an acceptable percentage risk. It is probably going to take at least another year for most people to wrap their head around that with Covid-19 as it becomes less prevelant but still in the world we live.

I agree with all of this but we need to stop using the flu as a comparison. In either a positive or negative context. Covid-19 is at least 10 times deadlier than the flu and spreads asymptomatically which is really bad. The good news, we already have vaccines up to 95% effective. That's something we've never remotely approached with flu vaccines. The flu mutates erratically from year to year. Hence why our vaccines are not very effective. I'm not going to ramble on about this stuff but Covid-19 doesn't have the capacity as a single stranded virus to change like the flu. Covid-19 would rather mutate into a less deadlier but contagious form for its own survival. These mutations could very well effect treatments but are not likely to impact vaccines. Also these new vaccines are mRNA and can quickly be changed. Bottom line is yes Covid-19 is here to stay but not in the context many in the media want to scare you with. Science already has the tools to crush this virus in a way we never had with the flu. We will also have antivirals treatments a year from now. There are a lot in the pipeline but vaccine development correctly took priority. If Covid-19 is still causing havoc in 5 years its because WE failed miserably, not because it morphed into some Frankenstein virus. We've been failing miserably at containing the virus for 10 months so it wouldn't shock me. Especially if immunity is only a year or so, unlikely but nobody really knows. If Covid-19 was a flu variant and spread asymptomatically we'd be toast. Consider ourselves fortunate to be living through a mid grade pandemic, this isn't the plague. PJ will eventually hit the stage again, just gonna take a long time for this all to play out. I'd be more than happy with shows in 2022 at this point. A lot went right if that's the case. Couple of cool scientific articles below...

https://asm.org/Articles/2020/July/COVID-19-and-the-Flu

https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/covid-19-is-the-virus-mutating/

RatherStarved · January 2021

By my rough count about 2/3 of responses are negative. I get it, but I was just reading about the J&J single dose vaccine whose trial results are expected this month. If it’s a winner that could go a long way to fixing things - maybe not by summer but hopefully by fall. I don’t know the delivery schedule but based on what I’ve read Canada has pre bought one dose of that for each Canadian, Britain has a deal for 30-52M doses, the US 100M and the EU 200M. Maybe we get 2/3 positive votes if the trial results are good.

pdalowsky · January 2021

No

lastexit78 said:

PB11041 said:

This is an impossible question to answer as worded, and the respnoses are equally off. To those who think the band is not coming out until this 100% taken care of, then you are never seeing the band again. Covid-19 is never going to go away, it is extremely likley it, like influezna strains will have constant seasonal mutations and flare-ups. The combination that the virus has proabably infected somewhere between 25-40% of the US population by the end of January (this is a large range because the scientific data is always impercise on how many are infected asymptomatically or even syptomatically but not reported/tested) with vaccination probably puts covid-19 in the rearview roughly about the June time frame. It is more likely they will feel comfortable with a Ohana festival than an Arena show, but it is still unlikely that 2021 happens. It is going to take time for people to adjust to the idea that this virus is with us in some capacity and we are forced to live with it. The Flu was a thing you just think sucks but no one really stopped to think that people die from the flu, because we just become accustom to it because it was an acceptable percentage risk. It is probably going to take at least another year for most people to wrap their head around that with Covid-19 as it becomes less prevelant but still in the world we live.

I agree with all of this but we need to stop using the flu as a comparison. In either a positive or negative context. Covid-19 is at least 10 times deadlier than the flu and spreads asymptomatically which is really bad. The good news, we already have vaccines up to 95% effective. That's something we've never remotely approached with flu vaccines. The flu mutates erratically from year to year. Hence why our vaccines are not very effective. I'm not going to ramble on about this stuff but Covid-19 doesn't have the capacity as a single stranded virus to change like the flu. Covid-19 would rather mutate into a less deadlier but contagious form for its own survival. These mutations could very well effect treatments but are not likely to impact vaccines. Also these new vaccines are mRNA and can quickly be changed. Bottom line is yes Covid-19 is here to stay but not in the context many in the media want to scare you with. Science already has the tools to crush this virus in a way we never had with the flu. We will also have antivirals treatments a year from now. There are a lot in the pipeline but vaccine development correctly took priority. If Covid-19 is still causing havoc in 5 years its because WE failed miserably, not because it morphed into some Frankenstein virus. We've been failing miserably at containing the virus for 10 months so it wouldn't shock me. Especially if immunity is only a year or so, unlikely but nobody really knows. If Covid-19 was a flu variant and spread asymptomatically we'd be toast. Consider ourselves fortunate to be living through a mid grade pandemic, this isn't the plague. PJ will eventually hit the stage again, just gonna take a long time for this all to play out. I'd be more than happy with shows in 2022 at this point. A lot went right if that's the case. Couple of cool scientific articles below...

https://asm.org/Articles/2020/July/COVID-19-and-the-Flu

https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/covid-19-is-the-virus-mutating/

Its refreshing to read a post from someone who knows what they are talking about. I for one do not and rely on what I hear from the news and the professionals

PJNB · January 2021

Reports are out now that the summer Olympics are in jeopardy again. It has not so much to do with being safe in the summer or not(at least for the time being) and more to do with the planning and the thousands of people involved leading up to the games. This is the same scenario with the summer festivals planned in Europe. Though unlikely, I still think there is a chance shows can happen this summer if the vaccine distribution ramps up with the new ones being approved. That does nothing however for all of the workers that need to be on site in the spring months getting those areas set up.

bbiggs · January 2021

No

Part of the challenge with getting "normal" shows in late 2021 is the potential lag time in vaccinations being administered and when the government and businesses determine it's safe to fully open. If everyone who wants a vaccine can get one by end of Summer, there will likely be a lag before the positivity rates and hospitalizations drop to the point that healthcare systems are no longer stressed. That's going to be the measuring stick I assume. I don't see how the green light is given until that happens, and that could take months given the fact that we know a large percentage of the population will voluntarily decline the vaccine. So if we get a green light in Q4, then the planning of the shows takes place. This is all speculative, of course, but if that scenario plays out, it is hard to envision shows this calendar year. 2022 seems more realistic. As always, i hope to hell that I'm wrong.

PJNB · January 2021

bbiggs said:

Part of the challenge with getting "normal" shows in late 2021 is the potential lag time in vaccinations being administered and when the government and businesses determine it's safe to fully open. If everyone who wants a vaccine can get one by end of Summer, there will likely be a lag before the positivity rates and hospitalizations drop to the point that healthcare systems are no longer stressed. That's going to be the measuring stick I assume. I don't see how the green light is given until that happens, and that could take months given the fact that we know a large percentage of the population will voluntarily decline the vaccine. So if we get a green light in Q4, then the planning of the shows takes place. This is all speculative, of course, but if that scenario plays out, it is hard to envision shows this calendar year. 2022 seems more realistic. As always, i hope to hell that I'm wrong.

Well said. One thing I would watch out for is late spring after all of the vulnerable and older population has been vaccinated (hopefully this timeline holds) we should see a dramatic drop off in deaths and hospitalizations. This should start the ball rolling of getting things opened back up imo and at the very least start the soft planning of shows for this fall to potentially happen.They can announce them closer to the date if they are allowed to have them and if not do not announce them and push them to late winter/spring 2022.

Will we get live PJ shows, as we knew them, in 2021?

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