Will we get live PJ shows, as we knew them, in 2021?

lastexit78

No

I’m interested to hear what fans believe shows would look like if they are no longer “as we knew them”. In my opinion there’s only a small number of things that can be done. Eliminating GA would probably be the first thing that comes to my mind, therefore lowering the cross pollination of a large venue. But what else? I support vaccine mandates but doubt many will ever become reality. Masks and or half empty venues will simply lead an end to live music. I’m sorry, if I have to go to a concert wearing a mask and staying 6 ft away from my fellow fans something is seriously wrong and there is substantial risk involved. I support masks but they are not solving the worlds problems. I live in CA wear you can barely walk outside your home without one and we are the center of the pandemic right now. I for one will find other avenues to enjoy my free time if a concert or ballpark experience becomes as sterile as some of you envision. I won’t be joining you all in the “New Normal”, I’ll be enjoying nature and starting a new chapter in my life, not trying to navigate a disfigured world by attending lifeless events. Has anyone here attended a sporting event recently? The few people I know who have said it was lousy. No tailgating, barely any food and beverage available, restrictions on where you can walk. These institutions will not survive in this manner, concerts, amusement parks, movie theatres, cruise lines, airlines etc. will not make it in the "New Normal", they’ll die. Which is why I've never bought into this thought of a "New Normal". At some point in late 2021 we as a society will reach a crossroads. At that point lockdowns will be replaced by civil unrest unlike anything we’ve seen. There’s already a large portion of society ready to move on right now, in the middle or a raging pandemic. Wait until late in the year when hospital numbers are a fraction of what they are now. Good luck holding back that tsunami.

Go Beavers

lastexit78 said:

I’m interested to hear what fans believe shows would look like if they are no longer “as we knew them”. In my opinion there’s only a small number of things that can be done. Eliminating GA would probably be the first thing that comes to my mind, therefore lowering the cross pollination of a large venue. But what else? I support vaccine mandates but doubt many will ever become reality. Masks and or half empty venues will simply lead an end to live music. I’m sorry, if I have to go to a concert wearing a mask and staying 6 ft away from my fellow fans something is seriously wrong and there is substantial risk involved. I support masks but they are not solving the worlds problems. I live in CA wear you can barely walk outside your home without one and we are the center of the pandemic right now. I for one will find other avenues to enjoy my free time if a concert or ballpark experience becomes as sterile as some of you envision. I won’t be joining you all in the “New Normal”, I’ll be enjoying nature and starting a new chapter in my life, not trying to navigate a disfigured world by attending lifeless events. Has anyone here attended a sporting event recently? The few people I know who have said it was lousy. No tailgating, barely any food and beverage available, restrictions on where you can walk. These institutions will not survive in this manner, concerts, amusement parks, movie theatres, cruise lines, airlines etc. will not make it in the "New Normal", they’ll die. Which is why I've never bought into this thought of a "New Normal". At some point in late 2021 we as a society will reach a crossroads. At that point lockdowns will be replaced by civil unrest unlike anything we’ve seen. There’s already a large portion of society ready to move on right now, in the middle or a raging pandemic. Wait until late in the year when hospital numbers are a fraction of what they are now. Good luck holding back that tsunami.

The US will be back to the old normal in late summer. We should be at herd immunity by way of vaccines and infected people by then. 

lastexit78

No

Go Beavers said:

lastexit78 said:

I’m interested to hear what fans believe shows would look like if they are no longer “as we knew them”. In my opinion there’s only a small number of things that can be done. Eliminating GA would probably be the first thing that comes to my mind, therefore lowering the cross pollination of a large venue. But what else? I support vaccine mandates but doubt many will ever become reality. Masks and or half empty venues will simply lead an end to live music. I’m sorry, if I have to go to a concert wearing a mask and staying 6 ft away from my fellow fans something is seriously wrong and there is substantial risk involved. I support masks but they are not solving the worlds problems. I live in CA wear you can barely walk outside your home without one and we are the center of the pandemic right now. I for one will find other avenues to enjoy my free time if a concert or ballpark experience becomes as sterile as some of you envision. I won’t be joining you all in the “New Normal”, I’ll be enjoying nature and starting a new chapter in my life, not trying to navigate a disfigured world by attending lifeless events. Has anyone here attended a sporting event recently? The few people I know who have said it was lousy. No tailgating, barely any food and beverage available, restrictions on where you can walk. These institutions will not survive in this manner, concerts, amusement parks, movie theatres, cruise lines, airlines etc. will not make it in the "New Normal", they’ll die. Which is why I've never bought into this thought of a "New Normal". At some point in late 2021 we as a society will reach a crossroads. At that point lockdowns will be replaced by civil unrest unlike anything we’ve seen. There’s already a large portion of society ready to move on right now, in the middle or a raging pandemic. Wait until late in the year when hospital numbers are a fraction of what they are now. Good luck holding back that tsunami.

The US will be back to the old normal in late summer. We should be at herd immunity by way of vaccines and infected people by then. 

I like your positivity!!! I know things are bleak but lets hang in there. Sadly I believe infections are going to contribute towards our pursuit of herd immunity WAY more than they need to but hey, why expect anything less at his point? Watching the news right now, demand for the vaccine in the over 65 age bracket in California is outpacing demand. This is great news, you get this age bracket vaccinated and the worst of the nightmare is behind us. The majority of hospitalizations and deaths are in people over 55 with 75 and older taking most of the deaths. Vaccinate these groups, and others at high risk and things will no doubt improve. Not enough to enjoy concerts anytime soon but one step at a time. 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/

Go Beavers

lastexit78 said:

Go Beavers said:

lastexit78 said:

I’m interested to hear what fans believe shows would look like if they are no longer “as we knew them”. In my opinion there’s only a small number of things that can be done. Eliminating GA would probably be the first thing that comes to my mind, therefore lowering the cross pollination of a large venue. But what else? I support vaccine mandates but doubt many will ever become reality. Masks and or half empty venues will simply lead an end to live music. I’m sorry, if I have to go to a concert wearing a mask and staying 6 ft away from my fellow fans something is seriously wrong and there is substantial risk involved. I support masks but they are not solving the worlds problems. I live in CA wear you can barely walk outside your home without one and we are the center of the pandemic right now. I for one will find other avenues to enjoy my free time if a concert or ballpark experience becomes as sterile as some of you envision. I won’t be joining you all in the “New Normal”, I’ll be enjoying nature and starting a new chapter in my life, not trying to navigate a disfigured world by attending lifeless events. Has anyone here attended a sporting event recently? The few people I know who have said it was lousy. No tailgating, barely any food and beverage available, restrictions on where you can walk. These institutions will not survive in this manner, concerts, amusement parks, movie theatres, cruise lines, airlines etc. will not make it in the "New Normal", they’ll die. Which is why I've never bought into this thought of a "New Normal". At some point in late 2021 we as a society will reach a crossroads. At that point lockdowns will be replaced by civil unrest unlike anything we’ve seen. There’s already a large portion of society ready to move on right now, in the middle or a raging pandemic. Wait until late in the year when hospital numbers are a fraction of what they are now. Good luck holding back that tsunami.

The US will be back to the old normal in late summer. We should be at herd immunity by way of vaccines and infected people by then. 

I like your positivity!!! I know things are bleak but lets hang in there. Sadly I believe infections are going to contribute towards our pursuit of herd immunity WAY more than they need to but hey, why expect anything less at his point? Watching the news right now, demand for the vaccine in the over 65 age bracket in California is outpacing demand. This is great news, you get this age bracket vaccinated and the worst of the nightmare is behind us. The majority of hospitalizations and deaths are in people over 55 with 75 and older taking most of the deaths. Vaccinate these groups, and others at high risk and things will no doubt improve. Not enough to enjoy concerts anytime soon but one step at a time. 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/

I’m thinking dates in the US for Pearl Jam in the fall on either side of Ohana and whatever the festival in Jersey is called

mcgruff10

No

Listening to wrigley 2, 2018 which happens to be the last time I saw pj live.  Damn I am ready to fly anywhere in the world to see these guys kick some serious ass in front of an audience.  

Ryan

No

A year will go by fast.  I’d rather they just flip spring North America 2020, to the same time of year roughly, 2022.  By then people won’t be worrying about if they have access to the vaccine or not and will be allowed to travel and people can properly plan and hopefully safely enjoy.  I wish they’d announce those North America shows soon for March or April 2022 just to have them on the books to look forward to.

With midterm elections in fall 2022 it’d be cool if they just recreated everything they were planning on doing in 2020 - spring North America, Europe in June/July and then swing/red States in Sept/Oct.
Then Australia early 2023, maybe South America.

Personally I’d prefer these shows are announced maybe a bit further out and they aren’t the first band back out, just to avoid multiple reschedules, which seems consistent to their strategy thus far. 

2-feign-reluctance

No

Zod said:

chiefnjk said:

At least in the U.S., if at least half of adults 18+ get vaccinated, community spread could be severely curtailed by early summer (June). At that point, the vaccine is generally available to everyone, cases are way down (due to both vaccinated and natural immunity populations) and we are living in a new normal. The virus could be around for years or forever. The goal can't be zero cases before life as we knew it (or something close to it) resumes, it's just not realistic. We need to protect immunocompromised and vulnerable populations. As Fauci and others have said, don't let "perfect" be the enemy of good. My guess is PJ resumes with outdoor shows in September as planned with arena shows (including the spring 2020 US/Can dates) to follow in October. When it's your turn, please get vaccinated. 

Maybe.   How comfortable are people going to be going to concerts if only 50% of people are immune.   For me, if I had the vaccine, absolutely I'll go.  Once i've immune my concern will wane.

This will create a concert logistical issue. They need to fill the seats to make the concerts work. If a sizable portion of the population isn't comfortable going, they won't be able to fill the seats.

Here in Canada it seems like next fall is best case scenario for the vaccine being rolled out to everyone that want's one.   Progress thus far is not on pace for that (but it's early)..

I feel like summer concert's might be too early.. Fall seems best case scenario, but if vaccine rollouts go out slower than expect it could be longer :( 

We don’t know how long the vaccine lasts though. I’m going back for my 2nd dose on the 26th and until there’s more research results on it, I won’t be changing my behaviors. It might be something people need to have annually like a flu shot. If it’s a one and done situation, then great! 

tino_11

New Zealand is hosting festivals now. Could we see a NZ/Australia tour towards the end of the year?

PeterED

No

tino_11 said:

New Zealand is hosting festivals now. Could we see a NZ/Australia tour towards the end of the year?

Would they want to put themselves, families, and crew through a 2 week hotel isolation in Australia? (Assuming that is still in place.)

It would add a significant expense to the tour, no? 

NewfieintheUSA

Yes

I think we may get shows in the fall in NA if vaccine rollout goes well. Maybe it's just me being hopeful, man I need a PJ show. 

Sarava

No

Doesn't look like it will happen this year :(

OceansJenny

No

Yeah right I’ll be lucky if I get vaccinated before the New Years ball drops, let alone see a concert. Prove me wrong world.

Go Beavers

OceansJenny said:

Yeah right I’ll be lucky if I get vaccinated before the New Years ball drops, let alone see a concert. Prove me wrong world.

You'll be vaccinated by July or sooner.

Weston1283

Yes

If the band is as “cautious” as some people say, to the point where they feel Fall 2021 in the US is off the table, then why hasn’t Europe 2021 been canceled yet?  Seems like they’re hanging on to some hope there still

I think the band wants to get back on the road more than a lot of people may think

PB11041

Weston1283 said:

If the band is as “cautious” as some people say, to the point where they feel Fall 2021 in the US is off the table, then why hasn’t Europe 2021 been canceled yet?  Seems like they’re hanging on to some hope there still

I think the band wants to get back on the road more than a lot of people may think

basically this.  They will do the right thing one way or another.  Holding on to hope, whether that seems far fetched or not to some, is really not a high crime.  Everyone is in a rush to have the future clear, it is going to take time.  It is incredibly likely that within the next month Europe dates might get cancelled/postponed.  But waiting until it is absolutely certain seems pretty prudent if not okay to me.

tschav

No

At this rate, rip the bandaid off and reschedule dates to next year so we’re not left guessing what’s to come this year. 

If a one-off show is possible like Ohana or SHN, it’s a bonus for all of us in 2021 and hopefully they offer a streaming option to maximize the reach to fans globally. 

Can’t imagine the logistics of returning to a more normal concert tour experience (let alone with multiple states handling it differently) would be a good business decision... unless they sold 1/3 as many tickets at 3x the price to offset lower attendance.

As someone else mentioned, bands like RATM and PJ look like they’ll be doing an election year tour after all, but for the midterms.

EdsonNascimento

tschav said:

At this rate, rip the bandaid off and reschedule dates to next year so we’re not left guessing what’s to come this year. 

If a one-off show is possible like Ohana or SHN, it’s a bonus for all of us in 2021 and hopefully they offer a streaming option to maximize the reach to fans globally. 

Can’t imagine the logistics of returning to a more normal concert tour experience (let alone with multiple states handling it differently) would be a good business decision... unless they sold 1/3 as many tickets at 3x the price to offset lower attendance.

As someone else mentioned, bands like RATM and PJ look like they’ll be doing an election year tour after all, but for the midterms.

Please no.   Whenever we get past this last thing I want or we need is a political rally either side. Just want to be able to celebrate and let as loose as will be reasonable given the situation at that point and time. 

RatherStarved

Weston1283 said:

If the band is as “cautious” as some people say, to the point where they feel Fall 2021 in the US is off the table, then why hasn’t Europe 2021 been canceled yet?  Seems like they’re hanging on to some hope there still

I think the band wants to get back on the road more than a lot of people may think

Europe is almost impossible.  Too soon, too many countries, not enough vaccines.

Now, fall in North America? That could happen.

Lerxst1992

EdsonNascimento said:

tschav said:

At this rate, rip the bandaid off and reschedule dates to next year so we’re not left guessing what’s to come this year. 

If a one-off show is possible like Ohana or SHN, it’s a bonus for all of us in 2021 and hopefully they offer a streaming option to maximize the reach to fans globally. 

Can’t imagine the logistics of returning to a more normal concert tour experience (let alone with multiple states handling it differently) would be a good business decision... unless they sold 1/3 as many tickets at 3x the price to offset lower attendance.

As someone else mentioned, bands like RATM and PJ look like they’ll be doing an election year tour after all, but for the midterms.

Please no.   Whenever we get past this last thing I want or we need is a political rally either side. Just want to be able to celebrate and let as loose as will be reasonable given the situation at that point and time. 

 the deadliest pandemic in 100 years was politicized, but let’s not do that to rock concerts? Didn’t rock music gain tremendous popularity because it was a vehicle for international protest in its infancy?

InsideJob75

No

bbiggs said:

mcgruff10 said:

At this point it would be nice if they canceled the spring 2020 tour and refund people their money.

I'm getting to this point as well.  I'm holding tickets to 3 shows still, but if we're staring down a 2+ year wait on those shows, and not knowing how they will look or which shows may get cancelled, it almost seems that scrapping the whole thing and starting over when they're ready to tour is the right move. 

Fully agree -  the time where the band or most bands think of the fans first over the money are long since gone.  This is all about keeping the money as long as possible