Will we get live PJ shows, as we knew them, in 2021?

cutz

mcgruff10 said:

At this point it would be nice if they canceled the spring 2020 tour and refund people their money.

Wouldn't it be better to offer a refund first? So, this way people who want their money back can, and for those who still want to see the shows they already have tickets for still can see those shows? And, maybe, a better reason not to cancel is  the Band have the Venues already and won't have to fight other bands/sport teams/other entertainment, for the same venues? 

PJNB

bbiggs said:

mcgruff10 said:

At this point it would be nice if they canceled the spring 2020 tour and refund people their money.

I'm getting to this point as well.  I'm holding tickets to 3 shows still, but if we're staring down a 2+ year wait on those shows, and not knowing how they will look or which shows may get cancelled, it almost seems that scrapping the whole thing and starting over when they're ready to tour is the right move. 

No way they will do that with the mess that face to fan would be refunding everyone I would bet. Some of those tickets have been sold 10 times over at least for the top shows. 

I have 5 shows for the spring tour all GA so I am admittedly biased but I also am holding a couple of pairs of tickets for friends and family. I have a lot of money tied up right now and I still say to keep the shows as planned. If they cancelled now what was the point of postponing last year just to have a vaccine come out earlier than expected and shows hopefully on the horizon or at least a timeline of when we can have them. 

hedonist

Even if they felt it was safe, I’m not sure I would. If others do, go for it. 

Forgoing shows for a long time blows, but it won’t end my life or make it any worse at all. 

PJNB

hedonist said:

Even if they felt it was safe, I’m not sure I would. If others do, go for it. 

Forgoing shows for a long time blows, but it won’t end my life or make it any worse at all. 

So even with a vaccine and herd immunity you will still not feel safe? What exactly are you looking for here to feel safe to go to a show? Not knocking you and genuinely curious. 

mcgruff10

No

cutz said:

mcgruff10 said:

At this point it would be nice if they canceled the spring 2020 tour and refund people their money.

Wouldn't it be better to offer a refund first? So, this way people who want their money back can, and for those who still want to see the shows they already have tickets for still can see those shows? And, maybe, a better reason not to cancel is  the Band have the Venues already and won't have to fight other bands/sport teams/other entertainment, for the same venues? 

At this point does the band still have the venue?  I mean once the date passes I can't see them holding the venue a year or two later.  With venues I would assume that professional sports teams get first crack at dates then some where done the line would be pj?  I'm guessing there is no guarantee that they would get all the same venues.  I think the best best is to just start over.

hedonist

PJNB said:

hedonist said:

Even if they felt it was safe, I’m not sure I would. If others do, go for it. 

Forgoing shows for a long time blows, but it won’t end my life or make it any worse at all. 

So even with a vaccine and herd immunity you will still not feel safe? What exactly are you looking for here to feel safe to go to a show? Not knocking you and genuinely curious. 

I plan on getting the vaccine but still not sure how long it lasts. My health/immunity is quite fucked, so I can’t afford to let my guard down.

And like I said, it wouldn’t be a huge loss for me, in the scheme of things

mcgruff10

No

PJNB said:

bbiggs said:

mcgruff10 said:

At this point it would be nice if they canceled the spring 2020 tour and refund people their money.

I'm getting to this point as well.  I'm holding tickets to 3 shows still, but if we're staring down a 2+ year wait on those shows, and not knowing how they will look or which shows may get cancelled, it almost seems that scrapping the whole thing and starting over when they're ready to tour is the right move. 

No way they will do that with the mess that face to fan would be refunding everyone I would bet. Some of those tickets have been sold 10 times over at least for the top shows. 

I have 5 shows for the spring tour all GA so I am admittedly biased but I also am holding a couple of pairs of tickets for friends and family. I have a lot of money tied up right now and I still say to keep the shows as planned. If they cancelled now what was the point of postponing last year just to have a vaccine come out earlier than expected and shows hopefully on the horizon or at least a timeline of when we can have them. 

Those five ga shows might be spread out over six weeks now.  Look what happened to the shows you were going to in Europe.  Wouldn’t you just rather start over and plan accordingly?

PJNB

mcgruff10 said:

PJNB said:

bbiggs said:

mcgruff10 said:

At this point it would be nice if they canceled the spring 2020 tour and refund people their money.

I'm getting to this point as well.  I'm holding tickets to 3 shows still, but if we're staring down a 2+ year wait on those shows, and not knowing how they will look or which shows may get cancelled, it almost seems that scrapping the whole thing and starting over when they're ready to tour is the right move. 

No way they will do that with the mess that face to fan would be refunding everyone I would bet. Some of those tickets have been sold 10 times over at least for the top shows. 

I have 5 shows for the spring tour all GA so I am admittedly biased but I also am holding a couple of pairs of tickets for friends and family. I have a lot of money tied up right now and I still say to keep the shows as planned. If they cancelled now what was the point of postponing last year just to have a vaccine come out earlier than expected and shows hopefully on the horizon or at least a timeline of when we can have them. 

Those five ga shows might be spread out over six weeks now.  Look what happened to the shows you were going to in Europe.  Wouldn’t you just rather start over and plan accordingly?

My 4 Canadian shows would line up with one another whether they cancelled and rebooked or not and my NY show can come when ever it wants as it would be a separate trip no matter what. That is just for me though and I know others can feel the opposite. I just do not see the need to go through the lottery again for the same shows that we already had tickets for due to it being pushed out further. There is no benefit on my end as far as I can see. 

lastexit78

No

I wish everyone could get on the same page and focus on defeating this virus in the next 12 months. I think its absolutely possible with the tools science is about to hand us. At some point in 2021 its not going to be the virus in charge of our demise its going to be ourselves. I like to use sports analogies, think of 2020 as your favorite baseball team losing 110 games. They were awful and need a complete rebuild. But in 2021 we have a new front office taking over and some incredible prospects on the way in Moderna & Pfizer. With a few more in the pipeline as well. But it will take time! Lets shoot for a .500 season in 2021 because anything more is not realistic. When I see discussions about 2021 shows it feels like fans of that 110 loss team plotting where they want to sit for the 2021 World Series. It honestly makes me sad, let's all do our part and maybe this rebuild can be completed in 12-18 months and not 24-36. We need unity and patience right now and I fear in a divided country obsessed with instant gratification this might not go as well as it should. With all that said I think Spring 2022 shows are our best hope, if we don't botch this horribly as a society. 

pjl44

Yes

lastexit78 said:

I wish everyone could get on the same page and focus on defeating this virus in the next 12 months. I think its absolutely possible with the tools science is about to hand us. At some point in 2021 its not going to be the virus in charge of our demise its going to be ourselves. I like to use sports analogies, think of 2020 as your favorite baseball team losing 110 games. They were awful and need a complete rebuild. But in 2021 we have a new front office taking over and some incredible prospects on the way in Moderna & Pfizer. With a few more in the pipeline as well. But it will take time! Lets shoot for a .500 season in 2021 because anything more is not realistic. When I see discussions about 2021 shows it feels like fans of that 110 loss team plotting where they want to sit for the 2021 World Series. It honestly makes me sad, let's all do our part and maybe this rebuild can be completed in 12-18 months and not 24-36. We need unity and patience right now and I fear in a divided country obsessed with instant gratification this might not go as well as it should. With all that said I think Spring 2022 shows are our best hope, if we don't botch this horribly as a society. 

There's a very real possibility that things could be as reasonably safe as they're going to get by June. Kicking concerts back up means a lot of people starting to get their livelihoods back.

matt84

No

There’s not even a slight chance Europe will happen this summer. Ohana and Sea Hear Now have a very small % of going ahead. 

After today’s news in the UK (lockdown likely to last til March), they might as well cancel the Hyde Park shows now.

RatherStarved

Just like airport security changed forever after 9/11, I think large events will always be at least a little different in the future.  

Weston1283

Yes

I have to wonder how Ohana and more so Sea.Hear.Now will end up

I think festivals and concerts in general may be OK to go in Fall of 2021 as everyone who wants a vaccine should have one by then.

My question is what will happen when Sea.Hear.Now says "Lets do this everyone else is going again" but the band says "we aren't playing shows in 2021".... if its a smaller act it doesn't matter, but as far as im concerned for 2021, no Pearl Jam means no Sea.Hear.Now

Eddie has more control over Ohana so that would be easier to postpone again if the band wishes to do so

A LOT, A LOT can happen in 9 months.  9 months from now is October 4th.  Imagine where we were 9 months ago with this thing, and now were entering a second phase of vaccinations.  The band may not feel comfortable but id be willing to bet that sports and concerts in general are back by October/November, if not even late summer

TH113769

Yes

Yes - there will be a tour in the Fall.  I'm going to take the positive attitude - Everyone that wants to be vaccinated will be able to by June / July.   

eeriepadave

There's hope

https://www.nme.com/news/music/tens-of-thousands-attend-new-zealand-festivals-without-having-to-socially-distance-2849016?fbclid=IwAR16V4s_1aKUwraEp6xOazkWcHiAWFfel5YS5twRAOWJAhMhukaORoMBvbM

BlueLedbetter

Was still hopeful until recently now dont see the euro shows going ahead unfortunately just a few months too soon I think for the vaccines to have been rolled out enough 

ComeToTX

Yes

Hopeful. 

pdalowsky

No

IF the shows go ahead that will be a massive bonus....thats how I'm going to look at them from this point. Unlikely but a massive bonus if they go ahead unexpectedly.

Merkin Baller

No

Optimism is great & all... but we'll be lucky if we get concerts here in the US by 2022. 

This is a long read, but well worth it IMO: 

https://twonursestalking.substack.com/p/covid-fox-news-america-and-me

Eraserhead

No

No.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55536355

pjl44

Yes

Eraserhead said:

No.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55536355

The festival industry is lobbying the government for aid. The headline makes it seem more dramatic. 

F Me In The Brain

No

I feel like we see the same results or commentary we saw last year in the threads about Sea Hear and Ohana. 

Interesting to see how people land on this and I understand most perspectives...the only one that I scratch my head about is the one where people say they are optimists and therefore answer yes.  I type this as an optimist.  If what I can find to be fact leads me somewhere, that is how I think.  Being an optimist won't impact that. 

Oh well, whatever works best for each of us -- hopefully we are all healthy and provided opportunities to return to desired group activities faster than I believe we will be.  Seeing Pearl Jam again is going to be loads of fun -- seeing my friends around the show will be the best part, and I can wait as long as needed in order for everyone to be safe.

Eraserhead

No

pjl44 said:

Eraserhead said:

No.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55536355

The festival industry is lobbying the government for aid. The headline makes it seem more dramatic. 

They can lobby until the cows come home, but until the virus is gone and everyone has had a vacine, mass gatherings for music will not take place any time soon.

pjl44

Yes

F Me In The Brain said:

I feel like we see the same results or commentary we saw last year in the threads about Sea Hear and Ohana. 

Interesting to see how people land on this and I understand most perspectives...the only one that I scratch my head about is the one where people say they are optimists and therefore answer yes.  I type this as an optimist.  If what I can find to be fact leads me somewhere, that is how I think.  Being an optimist won't impact that. 

Oh well, whatever works best for each of us -- hopefully we are all healthy and provided opportunities to return to desired group activities faster than I believe we will be.  Seeing Pearl Jam again is going to be loads of fun -- seeing my friends around the show will be the best part, and I can wait as long as needed in order for everyone to be safe.

For me, it's optimism that we'll stay on the path we're on without any curveballs. If we do, shows should go on.

The difference with the threads from last year is that optimism meant hoping something miraculous would happen. In that case the path we were on was clearly pointing to No.

PJNB

Eraserhead said:

pjl44 said:

Eraserhead said:

No.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55536355

The festival industry is lobbying the government for aid. The headline makes it seem more dramatic. 

They can lobby until the cows come home, but until the virus is gone and everyone has had a vacine, mass gatherings for music will not take place any time soon.

This virus will never be gone and everyone is not getting vaccinated. Not even close. Look at the numbers of health professionals that are already denying taking the vaccine on the first roll out. When the general public has its chance too the numbers will be even higher. What then? 

It is obvious that we are at the mercy of the government and health officials that will be making this call but if everyone that wants to be vaccinated is and our hospitals are not struggling what are we waiting for?

F Me In The Brain

No

pjl44 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I feel like we see the same results or commentary we saw last year in the threads about Sea Hear and Ohana. 

Interesting to see how people land on this and I understand most perspectives...the only one that I scratch my head about is the one where people say they are optimists and therefore answer yes.  I type this as an optimist.  If what I can find to be fact leads me somewhere, that is how I think.  Being an optimist won't impact that. 

Oh well, whatever works best for each of us -- hopefully we are all healthy and provided opportunities to return to desired group activities faster than I believe we will be.  Seeing Pearl Jam again is going to be loads of fun -- seeing my friends around the show will be the best part, and I can wait as long as needed in order for everyone to be safe.

For me, it's optimism that we'll stay on the path we're on without any curveballs. If we do, shows should go on.

The difference with the threads from last year is that optimism meant hoping something miraculous would happen. In that case the path we were on was clearly pointing to No.

Fair enough. 

I hope I am incorrect and everything gets better, quickly.

Weston1283

Yes

PJNB said:

Eraserhead said:

pjl44 said:

Eraserhead said:

No.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55536355

The festival industry is lobbying the government for aid. The headline makes it seem more dramatic. 

They can lobby until the cows come home, but until the virus is gone and everyone has had a vacine, mass gatherings for music will not take place any time soon.

This virus will never be gone and everyone is not getting vaccinated. Not even close. Look at the numbers of health professionals that are already denying taking the vaccine on the first roll out. When the general public has its chance too the numbers will be even higher. What then? 

It is obvious that we are at the mercy of the government and health officials that will be making this call but if everyone that wants to be vaccinated is and our hospitals are not struggling what are we waiting for?

This.  We won’t be able to force anyone to get a vaccine for many many years since the FDA has only authorized for emergency use.  Even In the hospital I’m at, doctors and nurses have full freedom to opt out

If vaccines are readily available to anyone who wants them in June/July, then that’s when we can get back

The idea of “everyone” being vaccinated will never come to life.  It will be “everyone who wants to be” vaccinated being vaccinated that will get us back to normal.

bbiggs

No

PJNB said:

Eraserhead said:

pjl44 said:

Eraserhead said:

No.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55536355

The festival industry is lobbying the government for aid. The headline makes it seem more dramatic. 

They can lobby until the cows come home, but until the virus is gone and everyone has had a vacine, mass gatherings for music will not take place any time soon.

This virus will never be gone and everyone is not getting vaccinated. Not even close. Look at the numbers of health professionals that are already denying taking the vaccine on the first roll out. When the general public has its chance too the numbers will be even higher. What then? 

It is obvious that we are at the mercy of the government and health officials that will be making this call but if everyone that wants to be vaccinated is and our hospitals are not struggling what are we waiting for?

Good points and agree.  There will come a time in the not too distant future that everyone who is going to get the vaccine has gotten it, and at that point, it's time to move forward.

Weston1283

Yes

This is the timeline for Massachusetts.  Even if this gets delayed and let’s call the last phase June-August, I really believe everyone who wants a vaccine can get there by October and concerts in Q4 of 2021 can happen

bbiggs

No

One thing that concerns me is the government (federal and/or state) continuing to intervene once we've reached a point that everyone that wants a vaccination has received one.  There is a large percentage of the population that is opting against it, at least thus far.  Even if vaccination timelines are met (big if), there could very well be upwards of 50% of the population that has not gotten it, and won't.  So then what?  The virus will still present on a larger scale than what they're hoping for.  In that case, I don't see concerts happening anytime soon, but of course I hope to be wrong.