Will we get live PJ shows, as we knew them, in 2021?

pjl44

Yes

Merkin Baller said:

pjl44 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Weston1283 said:

pjl44 said:

bbiggs said:

One thing that concerns me is the government (federal and/or state) continuing to intervene once we've reached a point that everyone that wants a vaccination has received one.  There is a large percentage of the population that is opting against it, at least thus far.  Even if vaccination timelines are met (big if), there could very well be upwards of 50% of the population that has not gotten it, and won't.  So then what?  The virus will still present on a larger scale than what they're hoping for.  In that case, I don't see concerts happening anytime soon, but of course I hope to be wrong.

Some fraction of those refusing the vaccine will have had covid and thus the antibodies that will protect them. Beyond that, it’s time to open things back up. Other than forcing vaccination, there's nothing else they can do. 

Forcing vaccination will never happen.  What private companies (airlines, concert promotors, etc) can do is require proof of vaccination for events, boarding, etc which will "force" vaccination by making life difficult for those who choose not to get it.

Can't wait for people to start crying about their constitutional right to see Pearl Jam without getting a vaccine. 

As weird as it is to think about, you may have been standing next to some hippie at one or more shows who never got an MMR or DTaP vaccine

Sure, but when was the last outbreak of whooping cough, or measles or mumps that threatened our way of life the way Covid has? 

Definitely. I was just trying to make a point about how unprecedented of a move it would be. Wouldn't shock me if you see some versions of it pop up somewhere, but I think it will prove to be stickier than it might seem at first glance.

Merkin Baller

No

pjl44 said:

Merkin Baller said:

pjl44 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Weston1283 said:

pjl44 said:

bbiggs said:

One thing that concerns me is the government (federal and/or state) continuing to intervene once we've reached a point that everyone that wants a vaccination has received one.  There is a large percentage of the population that is opting against it, at least thus far.  Even if vaccination timelines are met (big if), there could very well be upwards of 50% of the population that has not gotten it, and won't.  So then what?  The virus will still present on a larger scale than what they're hoping for.  In that case, I don't see concerts happening anytime soon, but of course I hope to be wrong.

Some fraction of those refusing the vaccine will have had covid and thus the antibodies that will protect them. Beyond that, it’s time to open things back up. Other than forcing vaccination, there's nothing else they can do. 

Forcing vaccination will never happen.  What private companies (airlines, concert promotors, etc) can do is require proof of vaccination for events, boarding, etc which will "force" vaccination by making life difficult for those who choose not to get it.

Can't wait for people to start crying about their constitutional right to see Pearl Jam without getting a vaccine. 

As weird as it is to think about, you may have been standing next to some hippie at one or more shows who never got an MMR or DTaP vaccine

Sure, but when was the last outbreak of whooping cough, or measles or mumps that threatened our way of life the way Covid has? 

Definitely. I was just trying to make a point about how unprecedented of a move it would be. Wouldn't shock me if you see some versions of it pop up somewhere, but I think it will prove to be stickier than it might seem at first glance.

This whole thing is unprecedented, at least in my lifetime. 

There are so many factors to consider, and in light of Roskilde, I think PJ more than most others won’t move forward until they have a good degree of certainty about safety for all parties involved. 

Just my $0.02, I’m not trying to be a downer. 

BlueLedbetter

Weston1283 said:

FR181798 said:

Dont think we will see European shows this year. The prediction was that there would be some fans at the Euros (football/ soccer) but not full stadiums by the Summer of 2021 but that was before this new strain. In the UK there is talks of us being in lockdown until at least March and then it will be another gradual exit out of lockdown aided by most people in the UK over 50 being vaccinated by May.  I guess it will then be down to hospital admissions and how its affecting the unvaccinated. I imagine most countries will be the same.
I would imagine that they will eventually come to the decision to scrap the whole European tour and look at doing something further down the line. They cant very well limit the number of people attending the shows after they have sold the tickets. No fair way to do that and so no way are full arenas across multiple countries even a possibility in my opinion. It will be a gradual return to bigger and bigger events.

I think Europe 2021 tour has about a 0.5% chance of happening, I just hope they decide this officially at a reasonable time frame for people to get refunds/book/do whatever they need to do

I agree not going to happen but I hope there is a choice to take a refund or roll tickets over till 2022

AmentsChick

No

Unfortunately, no.  I wish this wasn't my answer, but I have little faith in humanity.

Weston1283

Yes

BlueLedbetter said:

Weston1283 said:

FR181798 said:

Dont think we will see European shows this year. The prediction was that there would be some fans at the Euros (football/ soccer) but not full stadiums by the Summer of 2021 but that was before this new strain. In the UK there is talks of us being in lockdown until at least March and then it will be another gradual exit out of lockdown aided by most people in the UK over 50 being vaccinated by May.  I guess it will then be down to hospital admissions and how its affecting the unvaccinated. I imagine most countries will be the same.
I would imagine that they will eventually come to the decision to scrap the whole European tour and look at doing something further down the line. They cant very well limit the number of people attending the shows after they have sold the tickets. No fair way to do that and so no way are full arenas across multiple countries even a possibility in my opinion. It will be a gradual return to bigger and bigger events.

I think Europe 2021 tour has about a 0.5% chance of happening, I just hope they decide this officially at a reasonable time frame for people to get refunds/book/do whatever they need to do

I agree not going to happen but I hope there is a choice to take a refund or roll tickets over till 2022

Agreed, I have 10c to Prague that ill only be able to make this summer since I have a 1 month break

BlueLedbetter

Weston1283 said:

BlueLedbetter said:

Weston1283 said:

FR181798 said:

Dont think we will see European shows this year. The prediction was that there would be some fans at the Euros (football/ soccer) but not full stadiums by the Summer of 2021 but that was before this new strain. In the UK there is talks of us being in lockdown until at least March and then it will be another gradual exit out of lockdown aided by most people in the UK over 50 being vaccinated by May.  I guess it will then be down to hospital admissions and how its affecting the unvaccinated. I imagine most countries will be the same.
I would imagine that they will eventually come to the decision to scrap the whole European tour and look at doing something further down the line. They cant very well limit the number of people attending the shows after they have sold the tickets. No fair way to do that and so no way are full arenas across multiple countries even a possibility in my opinion. It will be a gradual return to bigger and bigger events.

I think Europe 2021 tour has about a 0.5% chance of happening, I just hope they decide this officially at a reasonable time frame for people to get refunds/book/do whatever they need to do

I agree not going to happen but I hope there is a choice to take a refund or roll tickets over till 2022

Agreed, I have 10c to Prague that ill only be able to make this summer since I have a 1 month break

I have tickets for 7 shows this time ideally id like to know new dates before deciding on a refund 

PeterED

No

mcgruff10 said:

PJNB said:

bbiggs said:

mcgruff10 said:

At this point it would be nice if they canceled the spring 2020 tour and refund people their money.

I'm getting to this point as well.  I'm holding tickets to 3 shows still, but if we're staring down a 2+ year wait on those shows, and not knowing how they will look or which shows may get cancelled, it almost seems that scrapping the whole thing and starting over when they're ready to tour is the right move. 

No way they will do that with the mess that face to fan would be refunding everyone I would bet. Some of those tickets have been sold 10 times over at least for the top shows. 

I have 5 shows for the spring tour all GA so I am admittedly biased but I also am holding a couple of pairs of tickets for friends and family. I have a lot of money tied up right now and I still say to keep the shows as planned. If they cancelled now what was the point of postponing last year just to have a vaccine come out earlier than expected and shows hopefully on the horizon or at least a timeline of when we can have them. 

Those five ga shows might be spread out over six weeks now.  Look what happened to the shows you were going to in Europe.  Wouldn’t you just rather start over and plan accordingly?

The rescheduled EU shows are now impossible for me to attend. Still, I held onto my tickets because I didn’t have a lot of confidence that they would happen (and would be rescheduled again.)

what’s the refund deadline? I might have to pull that trigger if the shows are still on by then.

F Me In The Brain

No

I thought the refund period passed long ago? 

FR181798

No

Just not sure they will roll the tickets over for another year. I will be happy to keep mine and wait for another year or 2 as I was very pleased with the seats I got direct from the venue.

hedonist

jimjam1982 said:

While I vote yes and think its perfectly fine come spring once the at risk people have been vaccinated, I do not think the band will take that approach.  I think Europe gets canceled again (due to amount of fan travel between countries).  I think US shows pop up late summer in sheds and maybe some spaced out shows in fall arenas, like 2 or 3 per week so they give the crew time to get tested and such between events.  Also, its a lot easier for the band to travel via road trip if they chose to.  There is really no need for planes if its well planned out. 

The majority of folks are ready to get on with life.  There will be some people who are afraid of everything who choose to stay home and that is fine, that is their choice.  The only acceptable avenue at this point is to cancel and refund all tickets if they don't make a US announcement soon.  I can't even find the refund option on ticket master so I guess 10C has to do it.

You’re making assumptions. “Afraid of everything”, my ass!

I would fucking LOVE to get back to some semblance of normalcy, but not if I become sick(er) in the process.

lastexit78

No

hedonist said:

jimjam1982 said:

While I vote yes and think its perfectly fine come spring once the at risk people have been vaccinated, I do not think the band will take that approach.  I think Europe gets canceled again (due to amount of fan travel between countries).  I think US shows pop up late summer in sheds and maybe some spaced out shows in fall arenas, like 2 or 3 per week so they give the crew time to get tested and such between events.  Also, its a lot easier for the band to travel via road trip if they chose to.  There is really no need for planes if its well planned out. 

The majority of folks are ready to get on with life.  There will be some people who are afraid of everything who choose to stay home and that is fine, that is their choice.  The only acceptable avenue at this point is to cancel and refund all tickets if they don't make a US announcement soon.  I can't even find the refund option on ticket master so I guess 10C has to do it.

You’re making assumptions. “Afraid of everything”, my ass!

I would fucking LOVE to get back to some semblance of normalcy, but not if I become sick(er) in the process.

I think he's more referring to the future once vaccinations have been fully rolled out. There will be those afraid of everything, but they can't diminish the quality of life for the rest of us. We are lucky to get 70 or 80 years on this earth to explore and share it with the ones we love. Sacrificing right now is how we eventually get that quality of life back, it's not how we live indefinitely. Sadly that message hasn't been sold very well to this point. One thing I've noticed throughout this pandemic is how the current state of what is happening keeps getting transposed into the future. For months we lived with the assumption a vaccine would not be available until 2022 and be at best 60% effective. How did that turn out? Just like most of us assumed things would not get that bad back in early March. How did that turn out? There are a lot of corporations benefiting from the pandemic and they want to sell the current state of affairs as a new normal. That's not crazy talk from some Fox News watching looney, its a fact, just turn on your TV and watch a few commercials. No doubt this will change humanity but at the end of the day people need people. Hence why live shows will return at some point in the future, whether that be this year, next year or even 2023.

hedonist

lastexit78 said:

hedonist said:

jimjam1982 said:

While I vote yes and think its perfectly fine come spring once the at risk people have been vaccinated, I do not think the band will take that approach.  I think Europe gets canceled again (due to amount of fan travel between countries).  I think US shows pop up late summer in sheds and maybe some spaced out shows in fall arenas, like 2 or 3 per week so they give the crew time to get tested and such between events.  Also, its a lot easier for the band to travel via road trip if they chose to.  There is really no need for planes if its well planned out. 

The majority of folks are ready to get on with life.  There will be some people who are afraid of everything who choose to stay home and that is fine, that is their choice.  The only acceptable avenue at this point is to cancel and refund all tickets if they don't make a US announcement soon.  I can't even find the refund option on ticket master so I guess 10C has to do it.

You’re making assumptions. “Afraid of everything”, my ass!

I would fucking LOVE to get back to some semblance of normalcy, but not if I become sick(er) in the process.

I think he's more referring to the future once vaccinations have been fully rolled out. There will be those afraid of everything, but they can't diminish the quality of life for the rest of us. We are lucky to get 70 or 80 years on this earth to explore and share it with the ones we love. Sacrificing right now is how we eventually get that quality of life back, it's not how we live indefinitely. Sadly that message hasn't been sold very well to this point. One thing I've noticed throughout this pandemic is how the current state of what is happening keeps getting transposed into the future. For months we lived with the assumption a vaccine would not be available until 2022 and be at best 60% effective. How did that turn out? Just like most of us assumed things would not get that bad back in early March. How did that turn out? There are a lot of corporations benefiting from the pandemic and they want to sell the current state of affairs as a new normal. That's not crazy talk from some Fox News watching looney, its a fact, just turn on your TV and watch a few commercials. No doubt this will change humanity but at the end of the day people need people. Hence why live shows will return at some point in the future, whether that be this year, next year or even 2023.

For your first part, I suppose so. I can certainly give the benefit of the doubt there. 

And yeah, life is short and precious and tenuous...doesn’t make much sense to me to live without, well...living. 

Foriginal Sin

No

Arizona as of yesterday, most new Covid cases per capita in the last 7 days than anywhere in the world. It’s not happening, there are nurses refusing the vaccine, half the country still thinks it the flu, even the dead ones 

BloodMeridian80

Yes

PeterED said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJNB said:

bbiggs said:

mcgruff10 said:

At this point it would be nice if they canceled the spring 2020 tour and refund people their money.

I'm getting to this point as well.  I'm holding tickets to 3 shows still, but if we're staring down a 2+ year wait on those shows, and not knowing how they will look or which shows may get cancelled, it almost seems that scrapping the whole thing and starting over when they're ready to tour is the right move. 

No way they will do that with the mess that face to fan would be refunding everyone I would bet. Some of those tickets have been sold 10 times over at least for the top shows. 

I have 5 shows for the spring tour all GA so I am admittedly biased but I also am holding a couple of pairs of tickets for friends and family. I have a lot of money tied up right now and I still say to keep the shows as planned. If they cancelled now what was the point of postponing last year just to have a vaccine come out earlier than expected and shows hopefully on the horizon or at least a timeline of when we can have them. 

Those five ga shows might be spread out over six weeks now.  Look what happened to the shows you were going to in Europe.  Wouldn’t you just rather start over and plan accordingly?

The rescheduled EU shows are now impossible for me to attend. Still, I held onto my tickets because I didn’t have a lot of confidence that they would happen (and would be rescheduled again.)

what’s the refund deadline? I might have to pull that trigger if the shows are still on by then.

You have until April 1st to get a refund

F Me In The Brain

No

Foriginal Sin said:

Arizona as of yesterday, most new Covid cases per capita in the last 7 days than anywhere in the world. It’s not happening, there are nurses refusing the vaccine, half the country still thinks it the flu, even the dead ones 

Nothing about this is funny, it is sad.
(I admit I laughed out loud at the last part.)

hedonist

F Me In The Brain said:

Foriginal Sin said:

Arizona as of yesterday, most new Covid cases per capita in the last 7 days than anywhere in the world. It’s not happening, there are nurses refusing the vaccine, half the country still thinks it the flu, even the dead ones 

Nothing about this is funny, it is sad.
(I admit I laughed out loud at the last part.)

Me too, on both. 

LA County is inundated right now, to the point that those who aren’t resuscitated within 20 minutes aren’t taken to a hospital. 0% ICU beds in many areas here, one in five currently infected. 

pjl44

Yes

Can the ghouls with politics-rotted brains keep your vomit in the AMT?

hedonist

pjl44 said:

Can the ghouls with politics-rotted brains keep your vomit in the AMT?

What are you on about?

lastexitlondon

No

Europe is fucked  as Is USA. So I can't see how

Merkin Baller

No

lastexit78 said:

hedonist said:

jimjam1982 said:

While I vote yes and think its perfectly fine come spring once the at risk people have been vaccinated, I do not think the band will take that approach.  I think Europe gets canceled again (due to amount of fan travel between countries).  I think US shows pop up late summer in sheds and maybe some spaced out shows in fall arenas, like 2 or 3 per week so they give the crew time to get tested and such between events.  Also, its a lot easier for the band to travel via road trip if they chose to.  There is really no need for planes if its well planned out. 

The majority of folks are ready to get on with life.  There will be some people who are afraid of everything who choose to stay home and that is fine, that is their choice.  The only acceptable avenue at this point is to cancel and refund all tickets if they don't make a US announcement soon.  I can't even find the refund option on ticket master so I guess 10C has to do it.

You’re making assumptions. “Afraid of everything”, my ass!

I would fucking LOVE to get back to some semblance of normalcy, but not if I become sick(er) in the process.

I think he's more referring to the future once vaccinations have been fully rolled out. There will be those afraid of everything, but they can't diminish the quality of life for the rest of us. We are lucky to get 70 or 80 years on this earth to explore and share it with the ones we love. Sacrificing right now is how we eventually get that quality of life back, it's not how we live indefinitely. Sadly that message hasn't been sold very well to this point. One thing I've noticed throughout this pandemic is how the current state of what is happening keeps getting transposed into the future. For months we lived with the assumption a vaccine would not be available until 2022 and be at best 60% effective. How did that turn out? Just like most of us assumed things would not get that bad back in early March. How did that turn out? There are a lot of corporations benefiting from the pandemic and they want to sell the current state of affairs as a new normal. That's not crazy talk from some Fox News watching looney, its a fact, just turn on your TV and watch a few commercials. No doubt this will change humanity but at the end of the day people need people. Hence why live shows will return at some point in the future, whether that be this year, next year or even 2023.

Considering the way Covid kicked Italy's ass in February, absolutely no one should have been surprised by what happened to other countries in March.