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The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 38,018
    Folks,

    Here's the thing...after yesterday's unsurprising news that Russia is at it again and Trump is covering it up, we all have to be on the same page. That's number one.

    Number two...no matter who the nominee is, a moderate billionaire with a sexist past from a sexist time, a former Obama VP, or a socialist senator from Vermont who is closer to the NRA than most would like.....one thing is clear---WE ALL HAVE TO UNITE BEHIND WHOMEVER IS THE NOMINEE.

    Donald Trump is an existential risk to our democracy. Defeating him is more important than literally ANY OTHER ISSUE in this campaign. I really hope the candidates in the next debate focus on that instead of tearing each other down. That's number three (Biden voice).

    You know I am an independent. My views are moderate mostly. But I can tell with 100% certainty that I will back Bernie or Elizabeth, or the reincarnation of Hillary as a result of a brokered convention. I also pledge to volunteer my time to help whomever it is. I hope you all will do the same.

    Quit the bickering. Focus on the most important thing that unites all of us------defeating this fucking Russian stooge in November. Literally the future of the country is dependent upon this.  Anything else you care about policy-wise should be a distant second. 
    That all sounds well and good, Juggler. But if Sanders goes into the convention with the most delegates, but not the 1,991 he needs to secure the nomination, and the superdelegates give the nomination to someone else, forget about beating Trump, I think it could be an electoral death-sentence for the Democrats. Let's say, hypothetically, that Sanders gets 33% of the total votes in the primary and that's the plurality, but he doesn't receive the nomination. Well that's 33% of registered democrats that might tell the party to fuck off forever. 
    I've said this many times, democrats love finding ways to lose elections they should win.

    Doesn't mean we can't do whatever we can to help whoever the nominee is
    That's true. I just think, in this scenario where Sanders has a plurality but not the majority, granting him the nomination likely will bode well for Trump's re-election, but to deny him the nomination will have ramifications that go well beyond the Trump presidency....

    I personally think Trump will beat whoever the nominee is. So for the sake of their democratic party's future, the DNC better not fuck with their voters and say "Sure you like Bernie Sanders, but we're smarter than you and we know he can't beat Trump, so here's Bloomberg." That would blow up in their faces two-fold. First off, they'll piss off a large portion of their party, and secondly, in my opinion, Bloomberg will lose anyway. 
    You're not exactly going out on a limb predicting treacherous waters if there is a brokered convention, dude. Of course that will dramatically weaken whoever is the nominee. 

    My point is a simple one--no matter who it is/no matter how it plays out, support him/her and stop driving wedges before it's too late. The democrats have, once again, offered up a less than ideal field of candidates. Trump should be easy to beat but they are stepping all over themselves yet again. We gotta come together. Too much is at stake. 
    I'm not suggesting I'm going out on a limb, dude. I know I'm saying what anyone else that understands this process already knows. But your "we gotta come together, too much is at stake" stance is easier said than done. If by some chance Sanders gets the nomination, will Bloomberg and Biden be behind him? Warren likely will, but I'm not sure about them. And if he doesn't win the nomination, and it's perceived by his supporters that he was screwed, they're not going to come out and vote for Bloomberg or whoever. 

    Also, half the country loves Trump, and they've already banded together. In fact, their bond (or whatever you wanna call it) has become stronger over the past four years. They're all in unison to see the democrats destroyed. You want (as I do, but I'm skeptical that it happens) the other half of the country to come together over the course of June through November. Not impossible, but as I said, easier said than done.
    Yes. They've already said as much. Bloomberg even said he will continue his spending machine on whoever the nominee is. THAT is the kind of unity the democrats need right now. Not what we saw a few days ago. That's the point.
    One of Sanders' campaign managers or top surrogates came out earlier this week and said they would not accept his money. THAT is exactly what we do not need. 

    Again--I don't think you are saying anything new. The incumbent always has an advantage. This one, in particular, should be easier to beat than the democrats are making it out to be. Despite the stuff you say in your second paragraph, it is still true that he has a lower approval rating than just about any incumbent in the history of polling running for re-election. And before you say something about polls, just about every incumbent in the history of polling has also gotten within a point or two of his approvals on election day. So he SHOULD be easy to beat. The democrats are shooting themselves in their collective foot. They need to stop. And fast. 
    Hmm I didn't see that (the bolded part). Yeah that would be beyond foolish. 

    And as for polls, yeah as I've said before, I don't put much stock in them, but I don't completely dismiss them either. I was curious to see what Bush's approval rating was in February 2004 compared to Trump's today. According to Gallup, Trump is at 49% (pretty good considering everything that's wrong with him and his presidency), Obama was at 45% in February 2012, and Bush was at 51% in February 2004. So unless this page I'm linking to is incorrect, Trump doesn't have the lowest approval rating of any incumbent running for re-election. It has Obama at 45% in Feb. 2012, and Bush Sr. at 41% in Feb 1992.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx

    Regarding trumps approval rating, I trust 538 aggregate more than anyone. They rate the polls based on their history and methods and weigh all polls based on that. Although they had clinton at 65% chance to win, they sounded a warning bell then because they had all the swing states needed to get her to 270 votes all very close.

    They have trump now at 43% aggregate which is about +1 from where he usually is.

    But there are warning signs. WI polling  out this week has trump up 7 to 11 depending on the candidate.  PA looks a little better for the dems but fla is tied as usual, with Bloomberg the best at +6. Thanks alot Warren. 

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    So pretty damn close to Obama if I'm looking at the right page https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo

    If you consider 47 and 43.3 to be close that is. Some might not. But I do considering how seemingly unpopular Trump is and how seemingly popular Obama was. 
    In a country this divided, 4 points isn't as close as you think, especially considering Obama's ceiling (which is also extremely important to consider since Trump has made zero effort in expanding his base) was 20 points higher. Obama got his approvals up near 54% before his re election. Trump has barely been over 43% since right after his inauguration.

    See my post above for more details. 
    Hey fair enough. You’re the poll guy so I am interested i your perspective cause I am not a pill guy at all. Doubt Trump nears that level of approval before November (or ever). But I also don’t think it’ll matter considering his potential opponents. 

    Edit: Also, I regards to your post above this, I’m not trying to spin anything, I just don’t think polls or Trump’s approval rating is a good indicator of what’s going to happen in November. I wasn’t around this board in 2016, but I’d wager a guess there was a lot of confidence in Hillary based on polls. 

    And as you know well, national polls are deceiving in these elections. It may come come down to just a few districts in swing states like last time. 
    That's why 538 was more accurate than any of the those other sites that were giving Clinton a 90% chance of winning on election day morning. Nate Silver said 70% or so and people called him crazy. He was right. Clinton was a heavy favorite but that didn't mean she was a stone cold mortal lock. 

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-fivethirtyeight-gave-trump-a-better-chance-than-almost-anyone-else/


    By the way---538 also is a good resource for gambling purposes!
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 3,705
    Uh oh. 

    I just said their concerts will have rich white people attending. Anyone ever see a wide angled crowd pic of a rock crowd for a band that has been around 30 years? 99.9% white too low estimate?
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 32,259
    brianlux said:


    Are you sure? That probably would indicate trump gets re-elected

     (or Biden wins, selects yang vp, then retires)

    Good point.  Of course I absolutely DO NOT want Dumpster to get re-elected but if he does.... oh the hell with that.  He won't!
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 14,068
    Folks,

    Here's the thing...after yesterday's unsurprising news that Russia is at it again and Trump is covering it up, we all have to be on the same page. That's number one.

    Number two...no matter who the nominee is, a moderate billionaire with a sexist past from a sexist time, a former Obama VP, or a socialist senator from Vermont who is closer to the NRA than most would like.....one thing is clear---WE ALL HAVE TO UNITE BEHIND WHOMEVER IS THE NOMINEE.

    Donald Trump is an existential risk to our democracy. Defeating him is more important than literally ANY OTHER ISSUE in this campaign. I really hope the candidates in the next debate focus on that instead of tearing each other down. That's number three (Biden voice).

    You know I am an independent. My views are moderate mostly. But I can tell with 100% certainty that I will back Bernie or Elizabeth, or the reincarnation of Hillary as a result of a brokered convention. I also pledge to volunteer my time to help whomever it is. I hope you all will do the same.

    Quit the bickering. Focus on the most important thing that unites all of us------defeating this fucking Russian stooge in November. Literally the future of the country is dependent upon this.  Anything else you care about policy-wise should be a distant second. 
    That all sounds well and good, Juggler. But if Sanders goes into the convention with the most delegates, but not the 1,991 he needs to secure the nomination, and the superdelegates give the nomination to someone else, forget about beating Trump, I think it could be an electoral death-sentence for the Democrats. Let's say, hypothetically, that Sanders gets 33% of the total votes in the primary and that's the plurality, but he doesn't receive the nomination. Well that's 33% of registered democrats that might tell the party to fuck off forever. 
    I've said this many times, democrats love finding ways to lose elections they should win.

    Doesn't mean we can't do whatever we can to help whoever the nominee is
    That's true. I just think, in this scenario where Sanders has a plurality but not the majority, granting him the nomination likely will bode well for Trump's re-election, but to deny him the nomination will have ramifications that go well beyond the Trump presidency....

    I personally think Trump will beat whoever the nominee is. So for the sake of their democratic party's future, the DNC better not fuck with their voters and say "Sure you like Bernie Sanders, but we're smarter than you and we know he can't beat Trump, so here's Bloomberg." That would blow up in their faces two-fold. First off, they'll piss off a large portion of their party, and secondly, in my opinion, Bloomberg will lose anyway. 
    You're not exactly going out on a limb predicting treacherous waters if there is a brokered convention, dude. Of course that will dramatically weaken whoever is the nominee. 

    My point is a simple one--no matter who it is/no matter how it plays out, support him/her and stop driving wedges before it's too late. The democrats have, once again, offered up a less than ideal field of candidates. Trump should be easy to beat but they are stepping all over themselves yet again. We gotta come together. Too much is at stake. 
    I'm not suggesting I'm going out on a limb, dude. I know I'm saying what anyone else that understands this process already knows. But your "we gotta come together, too much is at stake" stance is easier said than done. If by some chance Sanders gets the nomination, will Bloomberg and Biden be behind him? Warren likely will, but I'm not sure about them. And if he doesn't win the nomination, and it's perceived by his supporters that he was screwed, they're not going to come out and vote for Bloomberg or whoever. 

    Also, half the country loves Trump, and they've already banded together. In fact, their bond (or whatever you wanna call it) has become stronger over the past four years. They're all in unison to see the democrats destroyed. You want (as I do, but I'm skeptical that it happens) the other half of the country to come together over the course of June through November. Not impossible, but as I said, easier said than done.
    Yes. They've already said as much. Bloomberg even said he will continue his spending machine on whoever the nominee is. THAT is the kind of unity the democrats need right now. Not what we saw a few days ago. That's the point.
    One of Sanders' campaign managers or top surrogates came out earlier this week and said they would not accept his money. THAT is exactly what we do not need. 

    Again--I don't think you are saying anything new. The incumbent always has an advantage. This one, in particular, should be easier to beat than the democrats are making it out to be. Despite the stuff you say in your second paragraph, it is still true that he has a lower approval rating than just about any incumbent in the history of polling running for re-election. And before you say something about polls, just about every incumbent in the history of polling has also gotten within a point or two of his approvals on election day. So he SHOULD be easy to beat. The democrats are shooting themselves in their collective foot. They need to stop. And fast. 
    Hmm I didn't see that (the bolded part). Yeah that would be beyond foolish. 

    And as for polls, yeah as I've said before, I don't put much stock in them, but I don't completely dismiss them either. I was curious to see what Bush's approval rating was in February 2004 compared to Trump's today. According to Gallup, Trump is at 49% (pretty good considering everything that's wrong with him and his presidency), Obama was at 45% in February 2012, and Bush was at 51% in February 2004. So unless this page I'm linking to is incorrect, Trump doesn't have the lowest approval rating of any incumbent running for re-election. It has Obama at 45% in Feb. 2012, and Bush Sr. at 41% in Feb 1992.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx

    Regarding trumps approval rating, I trust 538 aggregate more than anyone. They rate the polls based on their history and methods and weigh all polls based on that. Although they had clinton at 65% chance to win, they sounded a warning bell then because they had all the swing states needed to get her to 270 votes all very close.

    They have trump now at 43% aggregate which is about +1 from where he usually is.

    But there are warning signs. WI polling  out this week has trump up 7 to 11 depending on the candidate.  PA looks a little better for the dems but fla is tied as usual, with Bloomberg the best at +6. Thanks alot Warren. 

    .
    So pretty damn close to Obama if I'm looking at the right page https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo

    If you consider 47 and 43.3 to be close that is. Some might not. But I do considering how seemingly unpopular Trump is and how seemingly popular Obama was. 
    In a country this divided, 4 points isn't as close as you think, especially considering Obama's ceiling (which is also extremely important to consider since Trump has made zero effort in expanding his base) was 20 points higher. Obama got his approvals up near 54% before his re election. Trump has barely been over 43% since right after his inauguration.

    See my post above for more details. 
    Hey fair enough. You’re the poll guy so I am interested i your perspective cause I am not a pill guy at all. Doubt Trump nears that level of approval before November (or ever). But I also don’t think it’ll matter considering his potential opponents. 

    Edit: Also, I regards to your post above this, I’m not trying to spin anything, I just don’t think polls or Trump’s approval rating is a good indicator of what’s going to happen in November. I wasn’t around this board in 2016, but I’d wager a guess there was a lot of confidence in Hillary based on polls. 

    And as you know well, national polls are deceiving in these elections. It may come come down to just a few districts in swing states like last time. 
    That's why 538 was more accurate than any of the those other sites that were giving Clinton a 90% chance of winning on election day morning. Nate Silver said 70% or so and people called him crazy. He was right. Clinton was a heavy favorite but that didn't mean she was a stone cold mortal lock. 

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-fivethirtyeight-gave-trump-a-better-chance-than-almost-anyone-else/


    By the way---538 also is a good resource for gambling purposes!
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 14,068
    edited February 22
    Sanders briefed that Russia is attempting to aid his campaign.  
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 25,475
    Uh oh. 

    I just said their concerts will have rich white people attending. Anyone ever see a wide angled crowd pic of a rock crowd for a band that has been around 30 years? 99.9% white too low estimate?
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 18,756
    My rational thought process has concluded that Russia would like to support the candidate that likes Russia. 


  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 25,475
    Jason P said:
    My rational thought process has concluded that Russia would like to support the candidate that likes Russia. 


    Which one is it? Do you know? Bahahahahahaha! 
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  • brianlux said:


    Are you sure? That probably would indicate trump gets re-elected

     (or Biden wins, selects yang vp, then retires)
    How would Trump even be an option in 2024?!
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 21,775
    edited February 22
    mrussel1 said:
    Way to be insufferable.  Must be the white privilege you've benefited from your entire life.  
    I happen to believe, these types of responses made to belittle another poster (ecdanc) only points to you feeling you fit the bill of her explanation. But maybe I am wrong ofc.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 21,775
    edited February 22
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"

  • "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 21,775
    edited February 22
    T R U T H  S P I T T E R 





    (Joe Walsh is weird)

    Melber is not weird at all. Def the best dude over at MSNBC


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  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814

  • What would it be like if Mike Bloomberg actually won?
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  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    What would it be like if Mike Bloomberg actually won?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 18,689
    Jason P said:
    My rational thought process has concluded that Russia would like to support the candidate that likes Russia. 


    I had already assumed that Russia was trying to help Sanders in the primary.  I think that support would move to Trump in the general.  I don't think Sanders would be an ally to Russia like Trump.  But I also think that Russia concluded that either Sanders can't beat him and/or Sanders won't move aggressively to check them.  It's a win either way  
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 18,689
    mrussel1 said:
    Way to be insufferable.  Must be the white privilege you've benefited from your entire life.  
    I happen to believe, these types of responses made to belittle another poster (ecdanc) only points to you feeling you fit the bill of her explanation. But maybe I am wrong ofc.
    You are wrong, ofc.  However I'll say nothing else as the others here evidently and wisely decided to ignore the whole thing.  I'll follow suit.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 3,705




    That -0- is going to lose him ALOT of general election votes. 
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Way to be insufferable.  Must be the white privilege you've benefited from your entire life.  
    I happen to believe, these types of responses made to belittle another poster (ecdanc) only points to you feeling you fit the bill of her explanation. But maybe I am wrong ofc.
    You are wrong, ofc.  However I'll say nothing else as the others here evidently and wisely decided to ignore the whole thing.  I'll follow suit.
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 3,705
    brianlux said:


    Are you sure? That probably would indicate trump gets re-elected

     (or Biden wins, selects yang vp, then retires)
    How would Trump even be an option in 2024?!


    Because if a democrat wins now it’s very unlikely yang would challenge a sitting democratic president in a 2024 primary. 

    So the most likely outcome in that photo is trump wins 2020.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 3,705
    ecdanc said:
    What would it be like if Mike Bloomberg actually won?
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    It’s the Wild West in Penn Station.

    The vagrant whose alleged threats got a homeless outreach nonprofit to flee the transit hub in fear last weekend was holding court — and spewing hate at cops — there Thursday.

    Eugene Watts was spotted sipping a brown-bag beer in the station one day after The Post reported that embattled nonprofit Bowery Residents Committee up and abandoned its satellite office there because he allegedly threatened to shoot workers.

    Watts, who claims to be a former boxer, remained defiant Thursday.

    “Mr. Eugene Watts, you have five minutes to leave,” one of two passing Amtrak cops on patrol at the busy transit hub was heard telling Watts on Thursday. “There is a warrant out for your arrest.”


    Watts fired back: “Kiss my black ass. I’d rather go to jail. I can get an apartment.”

    The cops simply walked on.

    The tasteless tableau was one scene in a chaotic day at the terminal.

    On Wednesday, The Post revealed that taxpayer-funded BRC — which was slammed by the state comptroller last year for only dedicating 26 percent of its time to actual outreach — had been “indefinitely” closed because Watts allegedly threatened on Saturday to “come back with a gun and shoot you.”

    Watts, who denied the gun threat, was among the more than two dozen homeless people back at the station Thursday — many of whom had to be dealt with by police because BRC’s offices were closed and its workers scarce.

    BRC is under contract with Amtrak to run the outreach office to help the dozens of homeless people who frequent Penn Station on a regular basis.

    ....

    A union representing thousands of New York City police sergeants said Sunday that its members will go to "war" with Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) after a police officer was shot in what the mayor has called an assassination attempt.

    The Sergeant's Benevolent Association (SBA) tweeted Sunday that the mayor was not welcome to visit wounded officers in the hospital, and added that the officers had no "respect" for the Democratic mayor.

    "Mayor DeBlasio, the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you! We do not respect you, DO NOT visit us in hospitals. You sold the NYPD to the vile creatures, the 1% who hate cops but vote for you. NYPD cops have been assassinated because of you. This isn’t over, Game on!" the union's Twitter account posted.


    "Police are being targeted.The anti cop tone infecting our city & state is causing bloodshed. Before any public official sends their thoughts & prayers, they should ask themselves how the language & behavior they've been tolerating has contributed to violence against police," read another tweet from the union's account.



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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 3,705
    mrussel1 said:
    Jason P said:
    My rational thought process has concluded that Russia would like to support the candidate that likes Russia. 


    I had already assumed that Russia was trying to help Sanders in the primary.  I think that support would move to Trump in the general.  I don't think Sanders would be an ally to Russia like Trump.  But I also think that Russia concluded that either Sanders can't beat him and/or Sanders won't move aggressively to check them.  It's a win either way  

    Russia tries to accomplish two things- support the candidate that likes Russia AND create division to weaken our democracy.

    they succeeded on both counts in 2016


    As far as supporting Sanders, many believe the gop and trump want sanders the nominee as socialism is perceived as very beatable in America. So Russia is helping them get what they want, AND creating more division within the Democratic Party.
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    ecdanc said:
    What would it be like if Mike Bloomberg actually won?
    Image result for stop and frisk

    Two sides to every story.


    What’s the city like after he left?

    It’s the Wild West in Penn Station.

    The vagrant whose alleged threats got a homeless outreach nonprofit to flee the transit hub in fear last weekend was holding court — and spewing hate at cops — there Thursday.

    Eugene Watts was spotted sipping a brown-bag beer in the station one day after The Post reported that embattled nonprofit Bowery Residents Committee up and abandoned its satellite office there because he allegedly threatened to shoot workers.

    Watts, who claims to be a former boxer, remained defiant Thursday.

    “Mr. Eugene Watts, you have five minutes to leave,” one of two passing Amtrak cops on patrol at the busy transit hub was heard telling Watts on Thursday. “There is a warrant out for your arrest.”


    Watts fired back: “Kiss my black ass. I’d rather go to jail. I can get an apartment.”

    The cops simply walked on.

    The tasteless tableau was one scene in a chaotic day at the terminal.

    On Wednesday, The Post revealed that taxpayer-funded BRC — which was slammed by the state comptroller last year for only dedicating 26 percent of its time to actual outreach — had been “indefinitely” closed because Watts allegedly threatened on Saturday to “come back with a gun and shoot you.”

    Watts, who denied the gun threat, was among the more than two dozen homeless people back at the station Thursday — many of whom had to be dealt with by police because BRC’s offices were closed and its workers scarce.

    BRC is under contract with Amtrak to run the outreach office to help the dozens of homeless people who frequent Penn Station on a regular basis.

    ....

    A union representing thousands of New York City police sergeants said Sunday that its members will go to "war" with Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) after a police officer was shot in what the mayor has called an assassination attempt.

    The Sergeant's Benevolent Association (SBA) tweeted Sunday that the mayor was not welcome to visit wounded officers in the hospital, and added that the officers had no "respect" for the Democratic mayor.

    "Mayor DeBlasio, the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you! We do not respect you, DO NOT visit us in hospitals. You sold the NYPD to the vile creatures, the 1% who hate cops but vote for you. NYPD cops have been assassinated because of you. This isn’t over, Game on!" the union's Twitter account posted.


    "Police are being targeted.The anti cop tone infecting our city & state is causing bloodshed. Before any public official sends their thoughts & prayers, they should ask themselves how the language & behavior they've been tolerating has contributed to violence against police," read another tweet from the union's account.



    .

    Someone I follow already put it better than I can: "Police unions aren’t unions because police aren’t workers."
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 3,705
    T R U T H  S P I T T E R 




    (Joe Walsh is weird)


    Life’s been good to him so far.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 3,705
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    What would it be like if Mike Bloomberg actually won?
    Image result for stop and frisk

    Two sides to every story.


    What’s the city like after he left?

    It’s the Wild West in Penn Station.

    The vagrant whose alleged threats got a homeless outreach nonprofit to flee the transit hub in fear last weekend was holding court — and spewing hate at cops — there Thursday.

    Eugene Watts was spotted sipping a brown-bag beer in the station one day after The Post reported that embattled nonprofit Bowery Residents Committee up and abandoned its satellite office there because he allegedly threatened to shoot workers.

    Watts, who claims to be a former boxer, remained defiant Thursday.

    “Mr. Eugene Watts, you have five minutes to leave,” one of two passing Amtrak cops on patrol at the busy transit hub was heard telling Watts on Thursday. “There is a warrant out for your arrest.”


    Watts fired back: “Kiss my black ass. I’d rather go to jail. I can get an apartment.”

    The cops simply walked on.

    The tasteless tableau was one scene in a chaotic day at the terminal.

    On Wednesday, The Post revealed that taxpayer-funded BRC — which was slammed by the state comptroller last year for only dedicating 26 percent of its time to actual outreach — had been “indefinitely” closed because Watts allegedly threatened on Saturday to “come back with a gun and shoot you.”

    Watts, who denied the gun threat, was among the more than two dozen homeless people back at the station Thursday — many of whom had to be dealt with by police because BRC’s offices were closed and its workers scarce.

    BRC is under contract with Amtrak to run the outreach office to help the dozens of homeless people who frequent Penn Station on a regular basis.

    ....

    A union representing thousands of New York City police sergeants said Sunday that its members will go to "war" with Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) after a police officer was shot in what the mayor has called an assassination attempt.

    The Sergeant's Benevolent Association (SBA) tweeted Sunday that the mayor was not welcome to visit wounded officers in the hospital, and added that the officers had no "respect" for the Democratic mayor.

    "Mayor DeBlasio, the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you! We do not respect you, DO NOT visit us in hospitals. You sold the NYPD to the vile creatures, the 1% who hate cops but vote for you. NYPD cops have been assassinated because of you. This isn’t over, Game on!" the union's Twitter account posted.


    "Police are being targeted.The anti cop tone infecting our city & state is causing bloodshed. Before any public official sends their thoughts & prayers, they should ask themselves how the language & behavior they've been tolerating has contributed to violence against police," read another tweet from the union's account.



    .

    Someone I follow already put it better than I can: "Police unions aren’t unions because police aren’t workers."

    Interesting but wasn’t the point. All de blaze did was soften stop and frisk. And we are heading back into the seventies in NY. Insurrection ain’t fun. 

    The lucky msg ticket holders from outta town might be in for a teeny tiny post Bloomberg surprise on the 30th. Ed too. Will give even flow more passion.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 25,475
    ecdanc said:
    What would it be like if Mike Bloomberg actually won?
    Image result for stop and frisk

    Two sides to every story.


    What’s the city like after he left?

    It’s the Wild West in Penn Station.

    The vagrant whose alleged threats got a homeless outreach nonprofit to flee the transit hub in fear last weekend was holding court — and spewing hate at cops — there Thursday.

    Eugene Watts was spotted sipping a brown-bag beer in the station one day after The Post reported that embattled nonprofit Bowery Residents Committee up and abandoned its satellite office there because he allegedly threatened to shoot workers.

    Watts, who claims to be a former boxer, remained defiant Thursday.

    “Mr. Eugene Watts, you have five minutes to leave,” one of two passing Amtrak cops on patrol at the busy transit hub was heard telling Watts on Thursday. “There is a warrant out for your arrest.”


    Watts fired back: “Kiss my black ass. I’d rather go to jail. I can get an apartment.”

    The cops simply walked on.

    The tasteless tableau was one scene in a chaotic day at the terminal.

    On Wednesday, The Post revealed that taxpayer-funded BRC — which was slammed by the state comptroller last year for only dedicating 26 percent of its time to actual outreach — had been “indefinitely” closed because Watts allegedly threatened on Saturday to “come back with a gun and shoot you.”

    Watts, who denied the gun threat, was among the more than two dozen homeless people back at the station Thursday — many of whom had to be dealt with by police because BRC’s offices were closed and its workers scarce.

    BRC is under contract with Amtrak to run the outreach office to help the dozens of homeless people who frequent Penn Station on a regular basis.

    ....

    A union representing thousands of New York City police sergeants said Sunday that its members will go to "war" with Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) after a police officer was shot in what the mayor has called an assassination attempt.

    The Sergeant's Benevolent Association (SBA) tweeted Sunday that the mayor was not welcome to visit wounded officers in the hospital, and added that the officers had no "respect" for the Democratic mayor.

    "Mayor DeBlasio, the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you! We do not respect you, DO NOT visit us in hospitals. You sold the NYPD to the vile creatures, the 1% who hate cops but vote for you. NYPD cops have been assassinated because of you. This isn’t over, Game on!" the union's Twitter account posted.


    "Police are being targeted.The anti cop tone infecting our city & state is causing bloodshed. Before any public official sends their thoughts & prayers, they should ask themselves how the language & behavior they've been tolerating has contributed to violence against police," read another tweet from the union's account.



    .

    Stupid is as stupid does. Pining for Ghouliani?
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 6,374
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    What would it be like if Mike Bloomberg actually won?
    Image result for stop and frisk

    Two sides to every story.


    What’s the city like after he left?

    It’s the Wild West in Penn Station.

    The vagrant whose alleged threats got a homeless outreach nonprofit to flee the transit hub in fear last weekend was holding court — and spewing hate at cops — there Thursday.

    Eugene Watts was spotted sipping a brown-bag beer in the station one day after The Post reported that embattled nonprofit Bowery Residents Committee up and abandoned its satellite office there because he allegedly threatened to shoot workers.

    Watts, who claims to be a former boxer, remained defiant Thursday.

    “Mr. Eugene Watts, you have five minutes to leave,” one of two passing Amtrak cops on patrol at the busy transit hub was heard telling Watts on Thursday. “There is a warrant out for your arrest.”


    Watts fired back: “Kiss my black ass. I’d rather go to jail. I can get an apartment.”

    The cops simply walked on.

    The tasteless tableau was one scene in a chaotic day at the terminal.

    On Wednesday, The Post revealed that taxpayer-funded BRC — which was slammed by the state comptroller last year for only dedicating 26 percent of its time to actual outreach — had been “indefinitely” closed because Watts allegedly threatened on Saturday to “come back with a gun and shoot you.”

    Watts, who denied the gun threat, was among the more than two dozen homeless people back at the station Thursday — many of whom had to be dealt with by police because BRC’s offices were closed and its workers scarce.

    BRC is under contract with Amtrak to run the outreach office to help the dozens of homeless people who frequent Penn Station on a regular basis.

    ....

    A union representing thousands of New York City police sergeants said Sunday that its members will go to "war" with Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) after a police officer was shot in what the mayor has called an assassination attempt.

    The Sergeant's Benevolent Association (SBA) tweeted Sunday that the mayor was not welcome to visit wounded officers in the hospital, and added that the officers had no "respect" for the Democratic mayor.

    "Mayor DeBlasio, the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you! We do not respect you, DO NOT visit us in hospitals. You sold the NYPD to the vile creatures, the 1% who hate cops but vote for you. NYPD cops have been assassinated because of you. This isn’t over, Game on!" the union's Twitter account posted.


    "Police are being targeted.The anti cop tone infecting our city & state is causing bloodshed. Before any public official sends their thoughts & prayers, they should ask themselves how the language & behavior they've been tolerating has contributed to violence against police," read another tweet from the union's account.



    .

    Someone I follow already put it better than I can: "Police unions aren’t unions because police aren’t workers."

    Interesting but wasn’t the point. All de blaze did was soften stop and frisk. And we are heading back into the seventies in NY. Insurrection ain’t fun. 

    The lucky msg ticket holders from outta town might be in for a teeny tiny post Bloomberg surprise on the 30th. Ed too. Will give even flow more passion.
    For what it's worth you're to the right of National Review on this.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/01/new-york-city-stop-and-frisk-crime-decline-conservatives-wrong/
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