The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Way to be insufferable.  Must be the white privilege you've benefited from your entire life.  
    I happen to believe, these types of responses made to belittle another poster (ecdanc) only points to you feeling you fit the bill of her explanation. But maybe I am wrong ofc.
    You are wrong, ofc.  However I'll say nothing else as the others here evidently and wisely decided to ignore the whole thing.  I'll follow suit.
    Proverbs 17:28 
  • Go Joe!

    :)
    Since 1993.
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,914
    brianlux said:


    Are you sure? That probably would indicate trump gets re-elected

     (or Biden wins, selects yang vp, then retires)
    How would Trump even be an option in 2024?!


    Because if a democrat wins now it’s very unlikely yang would challenge a sitting democratic president in a 2024 primary. 

    So the most likely outcome in that photo is trump wins 2020.
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,914
    ecdanc said:
    What would it be like if Mike Bloomberg actually won?
    Image result for stop and frisk

    Two sides to every story.


    What’s the city like after he left?

    It’s the Wild West in Penn Station.

    The vagrant whose alleged threats got a homeless outreach nonprofit to flee the transit hub in fear last weekend was holding court — and spewing hate at cops — there Thursday.

    Eugene Watts was spotted sipping a brown-bag beer in the station one day after The Post reported that embattled nonprofit Bowery Residents Committee up and abandoned its satellite office there because he allegedly threatened to shoot workers.

    Watts, who claims to be a former boxer, remained defiant Thursday.

    “Mr. Eugene Watts, you have five minutes to leave,” one of two passing Amtrak cops on patrol at the busy transit hub was heard telling Watts on Thursday. “There is a warrant out for your arrest.”


    Watts fired back: “Kiss my black ass. I’d rather go to jail. I can get an apartment.”

    The cops simply walked on.

    The tasteless tableau was one scene in a chaotic day at the terminal.

    On Wednesday, The Post revealed that taxpayer-funded BRC — which was slammed by the state comptroller last year for only dedicating 26 percent of its time to actual outreach — had been “indefinitely” closed because Watts allegedly threatened on Saturday to “come back with a gun and shoot you.”

    Watts, who denied the gun threat, was among the more than two dozen homeless people back at the station Thursday — many of whom had to be dealt with by police because BRC’s offices were closed and its workers scarce.

    BRC is under contract with Amtrak to run the outreach office to help the dozens of homeless people who frequent Penn Station on a regular basis.

    ....

    A union representing thousands of New York City police sergeants said Sunday that its members will go to "war" with Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) after a police officer was shot in what the mayor has called an assassination attempt.

    The Sergeant's Benevolent Association (SBA) tweeted Sunday that the mayor was not welcome to visit wounded officers in the hospital, and added that the officers had no "respect" for the Democratic mayor.

    "Mayor DeBlasio, the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you! We do not respect you, DO NOT visit us in hospitals. You sold the NYPD to the vile creatures, the 1% who hate cops but vote for you. NYPD cops have been assassinated because of you. This isn’t over, Game on!" the union's Twitter account posted.


    "Police are being targeted.The anti cop tone infecting our city & state is causing bloodshed. Before any public official sends their thoughts & prayers, they should ask themselves how the language & behavior they've been tolerating has contributed to violence against police," read another tweet from the union's account.



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  • Lerxst1992
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    mrussel1 said:
    Jason P said:
    My rational thought process has concluded that Russia would like to support the candidate that likes Russia. 


    I had already assumed that Russia was trying to help Sanders in the primary.  I think that support would move to Trump in the general.  I don't think Sanders would be an ally to Russia like Trump.  But I also think that Russia concluded that either Sanders can't beat him and/or Sanders won't move aggressively to check them.  It's a win either way  

    Russia tries to accomplish two things- support the candidate that likes Russia AND create division to weaken our democracy.

    they succeeded on both counts in 2016


    As far as supporting Sanders, many believe the gop and trump want sanders the nominee as socialism is perceived as very beatable in America. So Russia is helping them get what they want, AND creating more division within the Democratic Party.
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    ecdanc said:
    What would it be like if Mike Bloomberg actually won?
    Image result for stop and frisk

    Two sides to every story.


    What’s the city like after he left?

    It’s the Wild West in Penn Station.

    The vagrant whose alleged threats got a homeless outreach nonprofit to flee the transit hub in fear last weekend was holding court — and spewing hate at cops — there Thursday.

    Eugene Watts was spotted sipping a brown-bag beer in the station one day after The Post reported that embattled nonprofit Bowery Residents Committee up and abandoned its satellite office there because he allegedly threatened to shoot workers.

    Watts, who claims to be a former boxer, remained defiant Thursday.

    “Mr. Eugene Watts, you have five minutes to leave,” one of two passing Amtrak cops on patrol at the busy transit hub was heard telling Watts on Thursday. “There is a warrant out for your arrest.”


    Watts fired back: “Kiss my black ass. I’d rather go to jail. I can get an apartment.”

    The cops simply walked on.

    The tasteless tableau was one scene in a chaotic day at the terminal.

    On Wednesday, The Post revealed that taxpayer-funded BRC — which was slammed by the state comptroller last year for only dedicating 26 percent of its time to actual outreach — had been “indefinitely” closed because Watts allegedly threatened on Saturday to “come back with a gun and shoot you.”

    Watts, who denied the gun threat, was among the more than two dozen homeless people back at the station Thursday — many of whom had to be dealt with by police because BRC’s offices were closed and its workers scarce.

    BRC is under contract with Amtrak to run the outreach office to help the dozens of homeless people who frequent Penn Station on a regular basis.

    ....

    A union representing thousands of New York City police sergeants said Sunday that its members will go to "war" with Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) after a police officer was shot in what the mayor has called an assassination attempt.

    The Sergeant's Benevolent Association (SBA) tweeted Sunday that the mayor was not welcome to visit wounded officers in the hospital, and added that the officers had no "respect" for the Democratic mayor.

    "Mayor DeBlasio, the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you! We do not respect you, DO NOT visit us in hospitals. You sold the NYPD to the vile creatures, the 1% who hate cops but vote for you. NYPD cops have been assassinated because of you. This isn’t over, Game on!" the union's Twitter account posted.


    "Police are being targeted.The anti cop tone infecting our city & state is causing bloodshed. Before any public official sends their thoughts & prayers, they should ask themselves how the language & behavior they've been tolerating has contributed to violence against police," read another tweet from the union's account.



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    Someone I follow already put it better than I can: "Police unions aren’t unions because police aren’t workers."
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,914
    T R U T H  S P I T T E R 




    (Joe Walsh is weird)


    Life’s been good to him so far.
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,914
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    What would it be like if Mike Bloomberg actually won?
    Image result for stop and frisk

    Two sides to every story.


    What’s the city like after he left?

    It’s the Wild West in Penn Station.

    The vagrant whose alleged threats got a homeless outreach nonprofit to flee the transit hub in fear last weekend was holding court — and spewing hate at cops — there Thursday.

    Eugene Watts was spotted sipping a brown-bag beer in the station one day after The Post reported that embattled nonprofit Bowery Residents Committee up and abandoned its satellite office there because he allegedly threatened to shoot workers.

    Watts, who claims to be a former boxer, remained defiant Thursday.

    “Mr. Eugene Watts, you have five minutes to leave,” one of two passing Amtrak cops on patrol at the busy transit hub was heard telling Watts on Thursday. “There is a warrant out for your arrest.”


    Watts fired back: “Kiss my black ass. I’d rather go to jail. I can get an apartment.”

    The cops simply walked on.

    The tasteless tableau was one scene in a chaotic day at the terminal.

    On Wednesday, The Post revealed that taxpayer-funded BRC — which was slammed by the state comptroller last year for only dedicating 26 percent of its time to actual outreach — had been “indefinitely” closed because Watts allegedly threatened on Saturday to “come back with a gun and shoot you.”

    Watts, who denied the gun threat, was among the more than two dozen homeless people back at the station Thursday — many of whom had to be dealt with by police because BRC’s offices were closed and its workers scarce.

    BRC is under contract with Amtrak to run the outreach office to help the dozens of homeless people who frequent Penn Station on a regular basis.

    ....

    A union representing thousands of New York City police sergeants said Sunday that its members will go to "war" with Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) after a police officer was shot in what the mayor has called an assassination attempt.

    The Sergeant's Benevolent Association (SBA) tweeted Sunday that the mayor was not welcome to visit wounded officers in the hospital, and added that the officers had no "respect" for the Democratic mayor.

    "Mayor DeBlasio, the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you! We do not respect you, DO NOT visit us in hospitals. You sold the NYPD to the vile creatures, the 1% who hate cops but vote for you. NYPD cops have been assassinated because of you. This isn’t over, Game on!" the union's Twitter account posted.


    "Police are being targeted.The anti cop tone infecting our city & state is causing bloodshed. Before any public official sends their thoughts & prayers, they should ask themselves how the language & behavior they've been tolerating has contributed to violence against police," read another tweet from the union's account.



    .

    Someone I follow already put it better than I can: "Police unions aren’t unions because police aren’t workers."

    Interesting but wasn’t the point. All de blaze did was soften stop and frisk. And we are heading back into the seventies in NY. Insurrection ain’t fun. 

    The lucky msg ticket holders from outta town might be in for a teeny tiny post Bloomberg surprise on the 30th. Ed too. Will give even flow more passion.
  • ecdanc said:
    What would it be like if Mike Bloomberg actually won?
    Image result for stop and frisk

    Two sides to every story.


    What’s the city like after he left?

    It’s the Wild West in Penn Station.

    The vagrant whose alleged threats got a homeless outreach nonprofit to flee the transit hub in fear last weekend was holding court — and spewing hate at cops — there Thursday.

    Eugene Watts was spotted sipping a brown-bag beer in the station one day after The Post reported that embattled nonprofit Bowery Residents Committee up and abandoned its satellite office there because he allegedly threatened to shoot workers.

    Watts, who claims to be a former boxer, remained defiant Thursday.

    “Mr. Eugene Watts, you have five minutes to leave,” one of two passing Amtrak cops on patrol at the busy transit hub was heard telling Watts on Thursday. “There is a warrant out for your arrest.”


    Watts fired back: “Kiss my black ass. I’d rather go to jail. I can get an apartment.”

    The cops simply walked on.

    The tasteless tableau was one scene in a chaotic day at the terminal.

    On Wednesday, The Post revealed that taxpayer-funded BRC — which was slammed by the state comptroller last year for only dedicating 26 percent of its time to actual outreach — had been “indefinitely” closed because Watts allegedly threatened on Saturday to “come back with a gun and shoot you.”

    Watts, who denied the gun threat, was among the more than two dozen homeless people back at the station Thursday — many of whom had to be dealt with by police because BRC’s offices were closed and its workers scarce.

    BRC is under contract with Amtrak to run the outreach office to help the dozens of homeless people who frequent Penn Station on a regular basis.

    ....

    A union representing thousands of New York City police sergeants said Sunday that its members will go to "war" with Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) after a police officer was shot in what the mayor has called an assassination attempt.

    The Sergeant's Benevolent Association (SBA) tweeted Sunday that the mayor was not welcome to visit wounded officers in the hospital, and added that the officers had no "respect" for the Democratic mayor.

    "Mayor DeBlasio, the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you! We do not respect you, DO NOT visit us in hospitals. You sold the NYPD to the vile creatures, the 1% who hate cops but vote for you. NYPD cops have been assassinated because of you. This isn’t over, Game on!" the union's Twitter account posted.


    "Police are being targeted.The anti cop tone infecting our city & state is causing bloodshed. Before any public official sends their thoughts & prayers, they should ask themselves how the language & behavior they've been tolerating has contributed to violence against police," read another tweet from the union's account.



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    Stupid is as stupid does. Pining for Ghouliani?
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,536
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    What would it be like if Mike Bloomberg actually won?
    Image result for stop and frisk

    Two sides to every story.


    What’s the city like after he left?

    It’s the Wild West in Penn Station.

    The vagrant whose alleged threats got a homeless outreach nonprofit to flee the transit hub in fear last weekend was holding court — and spewing hate at cops — there Thursday.

    Eugene Watts was spotted sipping a brown-bag beer in the station one day after The Post reported that embattled nonprofit Bowery Residents Committee up and abandoned its satellite office there because he allegedly threatened to shoot workers.

    Watts, who claims to be a former boxer, remained defiant Thursday.

    “Mr. Eugene Watts, you have five minutes to leave,” one of two passing Amtrak cops on patrol at the busy transit hub was heard telling Watts on Thursday. “There is a warrant out for your arrest.”


    Watts fired back: “Kiss my black ass. I’d rather go to jail. I can get an apartment.”

    The cops simply walked on.

    The tasteless tableau was one scene in a chaotic day at the terminal.

    On Wednesday, The Post revealed that taxpayer-funded BRC — which was slammed by the state comptroller last year for only dedicating 26 percent of its time to actual outreach — had been “indefinitely” closed because Watts allegedly threatened on Saturday to “come back with a gun and shoot you.”

    Watts, who denied the gun threat, was among the more than two dozen homeless people back at the station Thursday — many of whom had to be dealt with by police because BRC’s offices were closed and its workers scarce.

    BRC is under contract with Amtrak to run the outreach office to help the dozens of homeless people who frequent Penn Station on a regular basis.

    ....

    A union representing thousands of New York City police sergeants said Sunday that its members will go to "war" with Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) after a police officer was shot in what the mayor has called an assassination attempt.

    The Sergeant's Benevolent Association (SBA) tweeted Sunday that the mayor was not welcome to visit wounded officers in the hospital, and added that the officers had no "respect" for the Democratic mayor.

    "Mayor DeBlasio, the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you! We do not respect you, DO NOT visit us in hospitals. You sold the NYPD to the vile creatures, the 1% who hate cops but vote for you. NYPD cops have been assassinated because of you. This isn’t over, Game on!" the union's Twitter account posted.


    "Police are being targeted.The anti cop tone infecting our city & state is causing bloodshed. Before any public official sends their thoughts & prayers, they should ask themselves how the language & behavior they've been tolerating has contributed to violence against police," read another tweet from the union's account.



    .

    Someone I follow already put it better than I can: "Police unions aren’t unions because police aren’t workers."

    Interesting but wasn’t the point. All de blaze did was soften stop and frisk. And we are heading back into the seventies in NY. Insurrection ain’t fun. 

    The lucky msg ticket holders from outta town might be in for a teeny tiny post Bloomberg surprise on the 30th. Ed too. Will give even flow more passion.
    For what it's worth you're to the right of National Review on this.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/01/new-york-city-stop-and-frisk-crime-decline-conservatives-wrong/
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    What would it be like if Mike Bloomberg actually won?
    Image result for stop and frisk

    Two sides to every story.


    What’s the city like after he left?

    It’s the Wild West in Penn Station.

    The vagrant whose alleged threats got a homeless outreach nonprofit to flee the transit hub in fear last weekend was holding court — and spewing hate at cops — there Thursday.

    Eugene Watts was spotted sipping a brown-bag beer in the station one day after The Post reported that embattled nonprofit Bowery Residents Committee up and abandoned its satellite office there because he allegedly threatened to shoot workers.

    Watts, who claims to be a former boxer, remained defiant Thursday.

    “Mr. Eugene Watts, you have five minutes to leave,” one of two passing Amtrak cops on patrol at the busy transit hub was heard telling Watts on Thursday. “There is a warrant out for your arrest.”


    Watts fired back: “Kiss my black ass. I’d rather go to jail. I can get an apartment.”

    The cops simply walked on.

    The tasteless tableau was one scene in a chaotic day at the terminal.

    On Wednesday, The Post revealed that taxpayer-funded BRC — which was slammed by the state comptroller last year for only dedicating 26 percent of its time to actual outreach — had been “indefinitely” closed because Watts allegedly threatened on Saturday to “come back with a gun and shoot you.”

    Watts, who denied the gun threat, was among the more than two dozen homeless people back at the station Thursday — many of whom had to be dealt with by police because BRC’s offices were closed and its workers scarce.

    BRC is under contract with Amtrak to run the outreach office to help the dozens of homeless people who frequent Penn Station on a regular basis.

    ....

    A union representing thousands of New York City police sergeants said Sunday that its members will go to "war" with Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) after a police officer was shot in what the mayor has called an assassination attempt.

    The Sergeant's Benevolent Association (SBA) tweeted Sunday that the mayor was not welcome to visit wounded officers in the hospital, and added that the officers had no "respect" for the Democratic mayor.

    "Mayor DeBlasio, the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you! We do not respect you, DO NOT visit us in hospitals. You sold the NYPD to the vile creatures, the 1% who hate cops but vote for you. NYPD cops have been assassinated because of you. This isn’t over, Game on!" the union's Twitter account posted.


    "Police are being targeted.The anti cop tone infecting our city & state is causing bloodshed. Before any public official sends their thoughts & prayers, they should ask themselves how the language & behavior they've been tolerating has contributed to violence against police," read another tweet from the union's account.



    .

    Someone I follow already put it better than I can: "Police unions aren’t unions because police aren’t workers."

    Interesting but wasn’t the point. All de blaze did was soften stop and frisk. And we are heading back into the seventies in NY. Insurrection ain’t fun. 

    The lucky msg ticket holders from outta town might be in for a teeny tiny post Bloomberg surprise on the 30th. Ed too. Will give even flow more passion.
    The last 1/3 of your post was basically direct quotes from the police union.....
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,536
    The fact is violent crime has been on a steady decline for 60 years in the US on the whole and in most major cities, New York included. The crazy thing is no one has been able to figure out what to attribute it to. At least any specific policy or action. Which is to say there is no rigorous evidence to justify placating jittery suburbanites by ripping up the Fourth Amendment rights of minorities.
  • mrussel1
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    pjl44 said:
    The fact is violent crime has been on a steady decline for 60 years in the US on the whole and in most major cities, New York included. The crazy thing is no one has been able to figure out what to attribute it to. At least any specific policy or action. Which is to say there is no rigorous evidence to justify placating jittery suburbanites by ripping up the Fourth Amendment rights of minorities.
    Not to be brutal,  but if you read Freakanomics,  it basically attributes the decline to Roe v Wade... fewer neglected,  unwanted children.  It's a controversial theory,  to be sure. 
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,536
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    The fact is violent crime has been on a steady decline for 60 years in the US on the whole and in most major cities, New York included. The crazy thing is no one has been able to figure out what to attribute it to. At least any specific policy or action. Which is to say there is no rigorous evidence to justify placating jittery suburbanites by ripping up the Fourth Amendment rights of minorities.
    Not to be brutal,  but if you read Freakanomics,  it basically attributes the decline to Roe v Wade... fewer neglected,  unwanted children.  It's a controversial theory,  to be sure. 
    I remember that! Didn't they also show a correlation with cities that hired more cops? Not any policies or anything just more cops, less crime?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    edited February 2020
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    The fact is violent crime has been on a steady decline for 60 years in the US on the whole and in most major cities, New York included. The crazy thing is no one has been able to figure out what to attribute it to. At least any specific policy or action. Which is to say there is no rigorous evidence to justify placating jittery suburbanites by ripping up the Fourth Amendment rights of minorities.
    Not to be brutal,  but if you read Freakanomics,  it basically attributes the decline to Roe v Wade... fewer neglected,  unwanted children.  It's a controversial theory,  to be sure. 
    I remember that! Didn't they also show a correlation with cities that hired more cops? Not any policies or anything just more cops, less crime?
    Yes I think you're right,  but the abortion connection is the one that really stuck with me.  You could probably add to that just generally more available birth control. 
  • mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    The fact is violent crime has been on a steady decline for 60 years in the US on the whole and in most major cities, New York included. The crazy thing is no one has been able to figure out what to attribute it to. At least any specific policy or action. Which is to say there is no rigorous evidence to justify placating jittery suburbanites by ripping up the Fourth Amendment rights of minorities.
    Not to be brutal,  but if you read Freakanomics,  it basically attributes the decline to Roe v Wade... fewer neglected,  unwanted children.  It's a controversial theory,  to be sure. 
    We’ve become a soulless nation. But you forgot homosexuality. The rise of Mayor Pete, really. So, if you’re headed to MSG, skip Penn Station and the fires of hell and arrive at the Port Authority. Way more color too. Less heat.
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  • Twitter is suspending 70 pro-Bloomberg accounts, citing ‘platform manipulation’

    Michael R. Bloomberg’s presidential campaign has been experimenting with novel tactics to cultivate an online following, or at least the appearance of one.

    But one of the strategies — deploying a large number of Twitter accounts to push out identical messages — has backfired. On Friday, Twitter began suspending 70 accounts posting pro-Bloomberg content in a pattern that violates company rules.

    “We have taken enforcement action on a group of accounts for violating our rules against platform manipulation and spam,” a Twitter spokesman said. Some of the suspensions will be permanent, while in other cases account owners will have to verify they have control of their accounts.

    https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2020-02-21/twitter-suspends-bloomberg-accounts

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  • Lerxst1992
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    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    What would it be like if Mike Bloomberg actually won?
    Image result for stop and frisk

    Two sides to every story.


    What’s the city like after he left?

    It’s the Wild West in Penn Station.

    The vagrant whose alleged threats got a homeless outreach nonprofit to flee the transit hub in fear last weekend was holding court — and spewing hate at cops — there Thursday.

    Eugene Watts was spotted sipping a brown-bag beer in the station one day after The Post reported that embattled nonprofit Bowery Residents Committee up and abandoned its satellite office there because he allegedly threatened to shoot workers.

    Watts, who claims to be a former boxer, remained defiant Thursday.

    “Mr. Eugene Watts, you have five minutes to leave,” one of two passing Amtrak cops on patrol at the busy transit hub was heard telling Watts on Thursday. “There is a warrant out for your arrest.”


    Watts fired back: “Kiss my black ass. I’d rather go to jail. I can get an apartment.”

    The cops simply walked on.

    The tasteless tableau was one scene in a chaotic day at the terminal.

    On Wednesday, The Post revealed that taxpayer-funded BRC — which was slammed by the state comptroller last year for only dedicating 26 percent of its time to actual outreach — had been “indefinitely” closed because Watts allegedly threatened on Saturday to “come back with a gun and shoot you.”

    Watts, who denied the gun threat, was among the more than two dozen homeless people back at the station Thursday — many of whom had to be dealt with by police because BRC’s offices were closed and its workers scarce.

    BRC is under contract with Amtrak to run the outreach office to help the dozens of homeless people who frequent Penn Station on a regular basis.

    ....

    A union representing thousands of New York City police sergeants said Sunday that its members will go to "war" with Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) after a police officer was shot in what the mayor has called an assassination attempt.

    The Sergeant's Benevolent Association (SBA) tweeted Sunday that the mayor was not welcome to visit wounded officers in the hospital, and added that the officers had no "respect" for the Democratic mayor.

    "Mayor DeBlasio, the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you! We do not respect you, DO NOT visit us in hospitals. You sold the NYPD to the vile creatures, the 1% who hate cops but vote for you. NYPD cops have been assassinated because of you. This isn’t over, Game on!" the union's Twitter account posted.


    "Police are being targeted.The anti cop tone infecting our city & state is causing bloodshed. Before any public official sends their thoughts & prayers, they should ask themselves how the language & behavior they've been tolerating has contributed to violence against police," read another tweet from the union's account.



    .

    Someone I follow already put it better than I can: "Police unions aren’t unions because police aren’t workers."

    Interesting but wasn’t the point. All de blaze did was soften stop and frisk. And we are heading back into the seventies in NY. Insurrection ain’t fun. 

    The lucky msg ticket holders from outta town might be in for a teeny tiny post Bloomberg surprise on the 30th. Ed too. Will give even flow more passion.
    The last 1/3 of your post was basically direct quotes from the police union.....


    ecd pjl and Hal...


    My point is there are two sides to the stop and frisk story. Please stop confusing  my attempt to balance the presentation here with support for what NYPD is doing. The point is NY politics is a challenging balancing act and the taxpayers/commuters suffer. On both sides.
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    What would it be like if Mike Bloomberg actually won?
    Image result for stop and frisk

    Two sides to every story.


    What’s the city like after he left?

    It’s the Wild West in Penn Station.

    The vagrant whose alleged threats got a homeless outreach nonprofit to flee the transit hub in fear last weekend was holding court — and spewing hate at cops — there Thursday.

    Eugene Watts was spotted sipping a brown-bag beer in the station one day after The Post reported that embattled nonprofit Bowery Residents Committee up and abandoned its satellite office there because he allegedly threatened to shoot workers.

    Watts, who claims to be a former boxer, remained defiant Thursday.

    “Mr. Eugene Watts, you have five minutes to leave,” one of two passing Amtrak cops on patrol at the busy transit hub was heard telling Watts on Thursday. “There is a warrant out for your arrest.”


    Watts fired back: “Kiss my black ass. I’d rather go to jail. I can get an apartment.”

    The cops simply walked on.

    The tasteless tableau was one scene in a chaotic day at the terminal.

    On Wednesday, The Post revealed that taxpayer-funded BRC — which was slammed by the state comptroller last year for only dedicating 26 percent of its time to actual outreach — had been “indefinitely” closed because Watts allegedly threatened on Saturday to “come back with a gun and shoot you.”

    Watts, who denied the gun threat, was among the more than two dozen homeless people back at the station Thursday — many of whom had to be dealt with by police because BRC’s offices were closed and its workers scarce.

    BRC is under contract with Amtrak to run the outreach office to help the dozens of homeless people who frequent Penn Station on a regular basis.

    ....

    A union representing thousands of New York City police sergeants said Sunday that its members will go to "war" with Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) after a police officer was shot in what the mayor has called an assassination attempt.

    The Sergeant's Benevolent Association (SBA) tweeted Sunday that the mayor was not welcome to visit wounded officers in the hospital, and added that the officers had no "respect" for the Democratic mayor.

    "Mayor DeBlasio, the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you! We do not respect you, DO NOT visit us in hospitals. You sold the NYPD to the vile creatures, the 1% who hate cops but vote for you. NYPD cops have been assassinated because of you. This isn’t over, Game on!" the union's Twitter account posted.


    "Police are being targeted.The anti cop tone infecting our city & state is causing bloodshed. Before any public official sends their thoughts & prayers, they should ask themselves how the language & behavior they've been tolerating has contributed to violence against police," read another tweet from the union's account.



    .

    Someone I follow already put it better than I can: "Police unions aren’t unions because police aren’t workers."

    Interesting but wasn’t the point. All de blaze did was soften stop and frisk. And we are heading back into the seventies in NY. Insurrection ain’t fun. 

    The lucky msg ticket holders from outta town might be in for a teeny tiny post Bloomberg surprise on the 30th. Ed too. Will give even flow more passion.
    The last 1/3 of your post was basically direct quotes from the police union.....


    ecd pjl and Hal...


    My point is there are two sides to the stop and frisk story. Please stop confusing  my attempt to balance the presentation here with support for what NYPD is doing. The point is NY politics is a challenging balancing act and the taxpayers/commuters suffer. On both sides.
    So now the police are shaking down the white folks? Is that how you're suffering?
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,536
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    What would it be like if Mike Bloomberg actually won?
    Image result for stop and frisk

    Two sides to every story.


    What’s the city like after he left?

    It’s the Wild West in Penn Station.

    The vagrant whose alleged threats got a homeless outreach nonprofit to flee the transit hub in fear last weekend was holding court — and spewing hate at cops — there Thursday.

    Eugene Watts was spotted sipping a brown-bag beer in the station one day after The Post reported that embattled nonprofit Bowery Residents Committee up and abandoned its satellite office there because he allegedly threatened to shoot workers.

    Watts, who claims to be a former boxer, remained defiant Thursday.

    “Mr. Eugene Watts, you have five minutes to leave,” one of two passing Amtrak cops on patrol at the busy transit hub was heard telling Watts on Thursday. “There is a warrant out for your arrest.”


    Watts fired back: “Kiss my black ass. I’d rather go to jail. I can get an apartment.”

    The cops simply walked on.

    The tasteless tableau was one scene in a chaotic day at the terminal.

    On Wednesday, The Post revealed that taxpayer-funded BRC — which was slammed by the state comptroller last year for only dedicating 26 percent of its time to actual outreach — had been “indefinitely” closed because Watts allegedly threatened on Saturday to “come back with a gun and shoot you.”

    Watts, who denied the gun threat, was among the more than two dozen homeless people back at the station Thursday — many of whom had to be dealt with by police because BRC’s offices were closed and its workers scarce.

    BRC is under contract with Amtrak to run the outreach office to help the dozens of homeless people who frequent Penn Station on a regular basis.

    ....

    A union representing thousands of New York City police sergeants said Sunday that its members will go to "war" with Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) after a police officer was shot in what the mayor has called an assassination attempt.

    The Sergeant's Benevolent Association (SBA) tweeted Sunday that the mayor was not welcome to visit wounded officers in the hospital, and added that the officers had no "respect" for the Democratic mayor.

    "Mayor DeBlasio, the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you! We do not respect you, DO NOT visit us in hospitals. You sold the NYPD to the vile creatures, the 1% who hate cops but vote for you. NYPD cops have been assassinated because of you. This isn’t over, Game on!" the union's Twitter account posted.


    "Police are being targeted.The anti cop tone infecting our city & state is causing bloodshed. Before any public official sends their thoughts & prayers, they should ask themselves how the language & behavior they've been tolerating has contributed to violence against police," read another tweet from the union's account.



    .

    Someone I follow already put it better than I can: "Police unions aren’t unions because police aren’t workers."

    Interesting but wasn’t the point. All de blaze did was soften stop and frisk. And we are heading back into the seventies in NY. Insurrection ain’t fun. 

    The lucky msg ticket holders from outta town might be in for a teeny tiny post Bloomberg surprise on the 30th. Ed too. Will give even flow more passion.
    The last 1/3 of your post was basically direct quotes from the police union.....


    ecd pjl and Hal...


    My point is there are two sides to the stop and frisk story. Please stop confusing  my attempt to balance the presentation here with support for what NYPD is doing. The point is NY politics is a challenging balancing act and the taxpayers/commuters suffer. On both sides.
    It sounds to me like you want to have it both ways. What is the other side to the stop and frisk story in your view?
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