The Democratic Presidential Debates
Lerxst1992
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With the next Democratic debate upcoming, hopefully we can use this space for respectful discussion focused on the candidate's policies and political party's platforms.
"12 candidates. 1 stage. Live on CNN"
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12 on the same night is absurd.
The DNC just keeps giving reasons for low confidence.
I hope one of the moderates goes after Warren's M4A, from a general election perspective. I just cant see that policy carrying the swing states and I'd love for Klobuchar to point that out.
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Betting odds
Warren is the favorite to win the Democratic nomination, according to US-Bookies.com, which owns https://bet-nj.com and aggregates data from major bookmakers.
The latest odds:
1. Warren, 4 to 5
2. Biden, 7 to 2
3. Buttigieg, 12 to 1
4. Sanders, 14 to 1
5. Harris, 16 to 1
5. Yang, 16 to 1
7. Booker, 66 to 1
7. O’Rourke, 66 to 1
9. Klobuchar, 80 to 1
9. Gabbard, 80 to 1
11. Castro, 100 to 1
11. Steyer, 100 to 1
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I like Steyer and Klobuchar. Not sure either can go toe to toe with the Bully in Chief. At least they dont want insurance mandates for the entire country. That's a sure fire way to lose to trump (ahem Liz, time to wake up).
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I don’t think America will elect a woman.
Medicare for all is great for dem primary, but I’ve talked with a few lifelong democrats, who voted Hillary, and they made it very clear that they won’t vote for her because of it.
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It's not a reason to say she has no shot...but to say she is a beacon of stability and Joe is not due to trumps attacks is being a little short-sighted. The attacks will come. And some will be right on. And others will be sensationalist crap....but they will hurt.
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But when they accuse the dem of being a socialist, that attack will stick to Warren because she supports single payer. Forcing 100 million off their insurance will not get 270 electoral votes, even if trump is weakened by Ukraine and Syria
Warren's response to this is weak. A moderate can deny the socialist attack, she cant. She is also significantly untested. The only serious attack she had to handle was her dna test and that did not work out for her.
Someone needs to push back hard on her at the debate. Be rude because we know trump will be rude. Bernie took it easy on Hillary last time (except for the Wall St $ issue) and that eventually hurt the dems against trump as hillary was virtually untested.
That's my biggest fear about Warren currently.
On "untested", look at the White House today.
On pushback, I fully agree. Her ability to come out of a rough debate needs to be exposed so that people can become more comfortable with the idea that she could take Trump in a debate setting. Never having been attacked, people will likely, and unfortunately, stick with traditional gender bias and assume she'll be weak.
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The only test I've seen her endure was the dna test. She picked the battle field on that on and got humiliated by trump.
IMO her gender helped her so far against the dems. No one is willing to spill blood against her. So far.
I personally think she would kick Trump's ass. Both in the debates and in November. Anyone waffling between Trump and Warren, after all this, is deep down a likely Trump voter. Dems don't win by trying to court them.
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I think 2016 proved this wrong. The blue states will support Warren but we need the swing states. Iowa is a perfect example. They vote democrat sometimes, obama twice, but Hillary lost by a solid margin and I dont see M4A rallying Democrats to victory there.
The fact of the matter is, we gonna have to get blacks to come out and vote like they did for Obama.
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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I don’t consider an hour to be “moments away”
as it relates to debate start time.
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Her online response is also a sign of strong character in my opinion - https://elizabethwarren.com/pocahontas
On your next point - in this race, gender isn't tracking closely with poll performance either, so that's not only a baseless statement, it's false. Gender may be tracking closely against "attacks on a candidate", but that doesn't matter, polls do.
Will people be worried if they don't get to see her under pressure? Certainly. But if the "humiliation" is all we have to go off of, it's a positive sign, and if the way her campaign has been running is any indication, she's probably well aware of these challenges and waiting for the right time to strike.
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