The Democratic Presidential Debates
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YES. Even National Review admitted as much.Lerxst1992 said:ecdanc said:
But lerxst has to see homeless people!!pjl44 said:Via the NYPD themselves, felony offenses have continued to consistently fall from 2000-2019
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/stats/crime-statistics/historical.pageBy citing felony offenses only are you saying the broken window theory is completely false?0 -
Inconvenienced commuters vs. racist harassment. Tough call, eh?Lerxst1992 said:ecdanc said:
But lerxst has to see homeless people!!pjl44 said:Via the NYPD themselves, felony offenses have continued to consistently fall from 2000-2019
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/stats/crime-statistics/historical.pageWhen a homeless person lives in a subway car, that suffering individual will be the only person in that car. The police are starting to refuse to enter the subway, so that train must be taken out of service to to deal with the disenfranchised. This has an impact as to how the city operates. Four million people need to commute on Manhattan island on a typical workday. Just the commuters. That’s four times the total population of the majority of cities on the Gigaton tour. Within 20 square miles
I support increasing spending to help the disenfranchised by billions. But taking on the police has consequences. By citing felony offenses only are you saying the broken window theory is completely false?
And "broken windows" is a justification, not a theory.
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Spiritual_Chaos said:Bernie effectively ended is campaign this morning, congratulationsI've got news for the Republican establishment. I've got news for the Democratic establishment. They can't stop us.8:02 PM · Feb 21, 2020·Twitter Web App0
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Can't speak for the rest of the country, but this is northeast cities in a nutshell. No qualms about sacrificing someone else's liberty as long as they *feel* safe and the city *looks* nice. There is zero introspection when the statistics show them it's all in their head. And it's a trans partisan problem.
The Trump person is more unabashedly in favor of these policies. The Bloomberg person supports them but with more handwringing because they want to clear their conscience. At the end of the day, you're getting the policy though.0 -
ecdanc said:Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:
I’m not well versed on Bloomberg, but you are pointing to the delicate balancing act of a mayor. It’s much different to administer a city govt and being one of a hundred senators. The pull between the police union and activists is very difficult to navigate and someone is always criticizing.Lerxst1992 said:pjl44 said:
It sounds to me like you want to have it both ways. What is the other side to the stop and frisk story in your view?Lerxst1992 said:ecdanc said:
The last 1/3 of your post was basically direct quotes from the police union.....Lerxst1992 said:ecdanc said:
Someone I follow already put it better than I can: "Police unions aren’t unions because police aren’t workers."Lerxst1992 said:ecdanc said:Two sides to every story.What’s the city like after he left?It’s the Wild West in Penn Station.
The vagrant whose alleged threats got a homeless outreach nonprofit to flee the transit hub in fear last weekend was holding court — and spewing hate at cops — there Thursday.
Eugene Watts was spotted sipping a brown-bag beer in the station one day after The Post reported that embattled nonprofit Bowery Residents Committee up and abandoned its satellite office there because he allegedly threatened to shoot workers.
Watts, who claims to be a former boxer, remained defiant Thursday.
“Mr. Eugene Watts, you have five minutes to leave,” one of two passing Amtrak cops on patrol at the busy transit hub was heard telling Watts on Thursday. “There is a warrant out for your arrest.”
Watts fired back: “Kiss my black ass. I’d rather go to jail. I can get an apartment.”
The cops simply walked on.
The tasteless tableau was one scene in a chaotic day at the terminal.
On Wednesday, The Post revealed that taxpayer-funded BRC — which was slammed by the state comptroller last year for only dedicating 26 percent of its time to actual outreach — had been “indefinitely” closed because Watts allegedly threatened on Saturday to “come back with a gun and shoot you.”
Watts, who denied the gun threat, was among the more than two dozen homeless people back at the station Thursday — many of whom had to be dealt with by police because BRC’s offices were closed and its workers scarce.
BRC is under contract with Amtrak to run the outreach office to help the dozens of homeless people who frequent Penn Station on a regular basis.
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A union representing thousands of New York City police sergeants said Sunday that its members will go to "war" with Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) after a police officer was shot in what the mayor has called an assassination attempt.
The Sergeant's Benevolent Association (SBA) tweeted Sunday that the mayor was not welcome to visit wounded officers in the hospital, and added that the officers had no "respect" for the Democratic mayor.
"Mayor DeBlasio, the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you! We do not respect you, DO NOT visit us in hospitals. You sold the NYPD to the vile creatures, the 1% who hate cops but vote for you. NYPD cops have been assassinated because of you. This isn’t over, Game on!" the union's Twitter account posted.
"Police are being targeted.The anti cop tone infecting our city & state is causing bloodshed. Before any public official sends their thoughts & prayers, they should ask themselves how the language & behavior they've been tolerating has contributed to violence against police," read another tweet from the union's account.
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Interesting but wasn’t the point. All de blaze did was soften stop and frisk. And we are heading back into the seventies in NY. Insurrection ain’t fun.The lucky msg ticket holders from outta town might be in for a teeny tiny post Bloomberg surprise on the 30th. Ed too. Will give even flow more passion.ecd pjl and Hal...
My point is there are two sides to the stop and frisk story. Please stop confusing my attempt to balance the presentation here with support for what NYPD is doing. The point is NY politics is a challenging balancing act and the taxpayers/commuters suffer. On both sides.The mayor is being attacked for comments captured from private conversations with police to help boost their morale. The balancing is when you don’t support the police you get the current situation with deblasio. The police are starting to refuse to enforce laws in Penn and the subways.
one need not support a policy like SAF to know their are two sides to the storyThank you.
not only is it a balancing act, it’s a balancing act in perhaps the most diverse city in the world. Both demographically and economically.
instead of trying to understand the balancing act, let’s just put everyone’s views into our predetermined buckets. Thanks AMT.
does anyone find it ironic, that the two candidates with the least in common, MB & PB, are under very similar attack, because they both had to deal with this balancing as chief executive of a city.
“ Civil-rights leaders of the recent past would be baffled by the pique here, as, I’m sure, would Americans who don’t spend most of their waking hours on social media. It’s been widely noted of late that “woke” white people are “woker” than most black people. It is also true that “woke” black people in academia and media are “woker” than a great many black people who don’t have the privilege of a byline. Harriot is assuming that Buttigieg must have meant that the lack of role models is due simply to some pathology among black people, when actually, almost anyone who publicly talks of role models in this way intends, via implication, that the lack of role models is due to larger societal factors.“0 -
which is insane to me. Fuck both Bernie and Bloomberg. THEY ARENT DEMOCRATS. DNC should be getting behind lifelong Dems. Bye Warren......OnWis97 said:
That and I can understand the frustration with a rich guy coming in late and the the possibility that the Dem strategy was gonna be to push him through (using said superdelegates).Jason P said:Super Delegates are Bernie's krypto. I'm assuming his opponents know the fix is in, which is why they don't bother too much with attacking him.
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That and I can understand the frustration with a rich guy coming in late and the the possibility that the Dem strategy was gonna be to push him through (using said superdelegates).Jason P said:Super Delegates are Bernie's krypto. I'm assuming his opponents know the fix is in, which is why they don't bother too much with attacking him.
An outsider with 25% support, running on policies outside of what the majority of the party supports, should not get benefit of getting the rules changed for his benefit. A position he disagreed with last time because it did not work for him then.
”because there are more democrats running than socialists we should change the rules to hand the nomination to the socialist “ said by SC probably.0 -
#TeamHarriotLerxst1992 said:ecdanc said:Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:
I’m not well versed on Bloomberg, but you are pointing to the delicate balancing act of a mayor. It’s much different to administer a city govt and being one of a hundred senators. The pull between the police union and activists is very difficult to navigate and someone is always criticizing.Lerxst1992 said:pjl44 said:
It sounds to me like you want to have it both ways. What is the other side to the stop and frisk story in your view?Lerxst1992 said:ecdanc said:
The last 1/3 of your post was basically direct quotes from the police union.....Lerxst1992 said:ecdanc said:
Someone I follow already put it better than I can: "Police unions aren’t unions because police aren’t workers."Lerxst1992 said:ecdanc said:Two sides to every story.What’s the city like after he left?It’s the Wild West in Penn Station.
The vagrant whose alleged threats got a homeless outreach nonprofit to flee the transit hub in fear last weekend was holding court — and spewing hate at cops — there Thursday.
Eugene Watts was spotted sipping a brown-bag beer in the station one day after The Post reported that embattled nonprofit Bowery Residents Committee up and abandoned its satellite office there because he allegedly threatened to shoot workers.
Watts, who claims to be a former boxer, remained defiant Thursday.
“Mr. Eugene Watts, you have five minutes to leave,” one of two passing Amtrak cops on patrol at the busy transit hub was heard telling Watts on Thursday. “There is a warrant out for your arrest.”
Watts fired back: “Kiss my black ass. I’d rather go to jail. I can get an apartment.”
The cops simply walked on.
The tasteless tableau was one scene in a chaotic day at the terminal.
On Wednesday, The Post revealed that taxpayer-funded BRC — which was slammed by the state comptroller last year for only dedicating 26 percent of its time to actual outreach — had been “indefinitely” closed because Watts allegedly threatened on Saturday to “come back with a gun and shoot you.”
Watts, who denied the gun threat, was among the more than two dozen homeless people back at the station Thursday — many of whom had to be dealt with by police because BRC’s offices were closed and its workers scarce.
BRC is under contract with Amtrak to run the outreach office to help the dozens of homeless people who frequent Penn Station on a regular basis.
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A union representing thousands of New York City police sergeants said Sunday that its members will go to "war" with Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) after a police officer was shot in what the mayor has called an assassination attempt.
The Sergeant's Benevolent Association (SBA) tweeted Sunday that the mayor was not welcome to visit wounded officers in the hospital, and added that the officers had no "respect" for the Democratic mayor.
"Mayor DeBlasio, the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you! We do not respect you, DO NOT visit us in hospitals. You sold the NYPD to the vile creatures, the 1% who hate cops but vote for you. NYPD cops have been assassinated because of you. This isn’t over, Game on!" the union's Twitter account posted.
"Police are being targeted.The anti cop tone infecting our city & state is causing bloodshed. Before any public official sends their thoughts & prayers, they should ask themselves how the language & behavior they've been tolerating has contributed to violence against police," read another tweet from the union's account.
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Interesting but wasn’t the point. All de blaze did was soften stop and frisk. And we are heading back into the seventies in NY. Insurrection ain’t fun.The lucky msg ticket holders from outta town might be in for a teeny tiny post Bloomberg surprise on the 30th. Ed too. Will give even flow more passion.ecd pjl and Hal...
My point is there are two sides to the stop and frisk story. Please stop confusing my attempt to balance the presentation here with support for what NYPD is doing. The point is NY politics is a challenging balancing act and the taxpayers/commuters suffer. On both sides.The mayor is being attacked for comments captured from private conversations with police to help boost their morale. The balancing is when you don’t support the police you get the current situation with deblasio. The police are starting to refuse to enforce laws in Penn and the subways.
one need not support a policy like SAF to know their are two sides to the storyThank you.
not only is it a balancing act, it’s a balancing act in perhaps the most diverse city in the world. Both demographically and economically.
instead of trying to understand the balancing act, let’s just put everyone’s views into our predetermined buckets. Thanks AMT.
does anyone find it ironic, that the two candidates with the least in common, MB & PB, are under very similar attack, because they both had to deal with this balancing as chief executive of a city. “ Civil-rights leaders of the recent past would be baffled by the pique here, as, I’m sure, would Americans who don’t spend most of their waking hours on social media. It’s been widely noted of late that “woke” white people are “woker” than most black people. It is also true that “woke” black people in academia and media are “woker” than a great many black people who don’t have the privilege of a byline. Harriot is assuming that Buttigieg must have meant that the lack of role models is due simply to some pathology among black people, when actually, almost anyone who publicly talks of role models in this way intends, via implication, that the lack of role models is due to larger societal factors.“0 -
ecdanc said:
Inconvenienced commuters vs. racist harassment. Tough call, eh?Lerxst1992 said:ecdanc said:
But lerxst has to see homeless people!!pjl44 said:Via the NYPD themselves, felony offenses have continued to consistently fall from 2000-2019
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/stats/crime-statistics/historical.pageWhen a homeless person lives in a subway car, that suffering individual will be the only person in that car. The police are starting to refuse to enter the subway, so that train must be taken out of service to to deal with the disenfranchised. This has an impact as to how the city operates. Four million people need to commute on Manhattan island on a typical workday. Just the commuters. That’s four times the total population of the majority of cities on the Gigaton tour. Within 20 square miles
I support increasing spending to help the disenfranchised by billions. But taking on the police has consequences. By citing felony offenses only are you saying the broken window theory is completely false?
And "broken windows" is a justification, not a theory.You’ve conveniently left off dealing with the ultimate power broker in your equation.0 -
I actually have taught a McWhorter essay (this one: https://www.forbes.com/2008/12/30/end-of-racism-oped-cx_jm_1230mcwhorter.html#124c2f8449f8) in my class on contemporary racism. He represents a certain, interesting position against which I contrast scholars of race and racism.Lerxst1992 said:ecdanc said:Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:
I’m not well versed on Bloomberg, but you are pointing to the delicate balancing act of a mayor. It’s much different to administer a city govt and being one of a hundred senators. The pull between the police union and activists is very difficult to navigate and someone is always criticizing.Lerxst1992 said:pjl44 said:
It sounds to me like you want to have it both ways. What is the other side to the stop and frisk story in your view?Lerxst1992 said:ecdanc said:
The last 1/3 of your post was basically direct quotes from the police union.....Lerxst1992 said:ecdanc said:
Someone I follow already put it better than I can: "Police unions aren’t unions because police aren’t workers."Lerxst1992 said:ecdanc said:Two sides to every story.What’s the city like after he left?It’s the Wild West in Penn Station.
The vagrant whose alleged threats got a homeless outreach nonprofit to flee the transit hub in fear last weekend was holding court — and spewing hate at cops — there Thursday.
Eugene Watts was spotted sipping a brown-bag beer in the station one day after The Post reported that embattled nonprofit Bowery Residents Committee up and abandoned its satellite office there because he allegedly threatened to shoot workers.
Watts, who claims to be a former boxer, remained defiant Thursday.
“Mr. Eugene Watts, you have five minutes to leave,” one of two passing Amtrak cops on patrol at the busy transit hub was heard telling Watts on Thursday. “There is a warrant out for your arrest.”
Watts fired back: “Kiss my black ass. I’d rather go to jail. I can get an apartment.”
The cops simply walked on.
The tasteless tableau was one scene in a chaotic day at the terminal.
On Wednesday, The Post revealed that taxpayer-funded BRC — which was slammed by the state comptroller last year for only dedicating 26 percent of its time to actual outreach — had been “indefinitely” closed because Watts allegedly threatened on Saturday to “come back with a gun and shoot you.”
Watts, who denied the gun threat, was among the more than two dozen homeless people back at the station Thursday — many of whom had to be dealt with by police because BRC’s offices were closed and its workers scarce.
BRC is under contract with Amtrak to run the outreach office to help the dozens of homeless people who frequent Penn Station on a regular basis.
....
A union representing thousands of New York City police sergeants said Sunday that its members will go to "war" with Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) after a police officer was shot in what the mayor has called an assassination attempt.
The Sergeant's Benevolent Association (SBA) tweeted Sunday that the mayor was not welcome to visit wounded officers in the hospital, and added that the officers had no "respect" for the Democratic mayor.
"Mayor DeBlasio, the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you! We do not respect you, DO NOT visit us in hospitals. You sold the NYPD to the vile creatures, the 1% who hate cops but vote for you. NYPD cops have been assassinated because of you. This isn’t over, Game on!" the union's Twitter account posted.
"Police are being targeted.The anti cop tone infecting our city & state is causing bloodshed. Before any public official sends their thoughts & prayers, they should ask themselves how the language & behavior they've been tolerating has contributed to violence against police," read another tweet from the union's account.
.
Interesting but wasn’t the point. All de blaze did was soften stop and frisk. And we are heading back into the seventies in NY. Insurrection ain’t fun.The lucky msg ticket holders from outta town might be in for a teeny tiny post Bloomberg surprise on the 30th. Ed too. Will give even flow more passion.ecd pjl and Hal...
My point is there are two sides to the stop and frisk story. Please stop confusing my attempt to balance the presentation here with support for what NYPD is doing. The point is NY politics is a challenging balancing act and the taxpayers/commuters suffer. On both sides.The mayor is being attacked for comments captured from private conversations with police to help boost their morale. The balancing is when you don’t support the police you get the current situation with deblasio. The police are starting to refuse to enforce laws in Penn and the subways.
one need not support a policy like SAF to know their are two sides to the storyThank you.
not only is it a balancing act, it’s a balancing act in perhaps the most diverse city in the world. Both demographically and economically.
instead of trying to understand the balancing act, let’s just put everyone’s views into our predetermined buckets. Thanks AMT.
does anyone find it ironic, that the two candidates with the least in common, MB & PB, are under very similar attack, because they both had to deal with this balancing as chief executive of a city. “ Civil-rights leaders of the recent past would be baffled by the pique here, as, I’m sure, would Americans who don’t spend most of their waking hours on social media. It’s been widely noted of late that “woke” white people are “woker” than most black people. It is also true that “woke” black people in academia and media are “woker” than a great many black people who don’t have the privilege of a byline. Harriot is assuming that Buttigieg must have meant that the lack of role models is due simply to some pathology among black people, when actually, almost anyone who publicly talks of role models in this way intends, via implication, that the lack of role models is due to larger societal factors.“0 -
pjl44 said:Can't speak for the rest of the country, but this is northeast cities in a nutshell. No qualms about sacrificing someone else's liberty as long as they *feel* safe and the city *looks* nice. There is zero introspection when the statistics show them it's all in their head. And it's a trans partisan problem.
The Trump person is more unabashedly in favor of these policies. The Bloomberg person supports them but with more handwringing because they want to clear their conscience. At the end of the day, you're getting the policy though.Dude, as I’ve said more often that PJ will be playin alive this year, I do not support SAF. I’m not sure if there are any other NYers posting here today, but I’m pointing out dealing with the NYPD in a diverse city ain’t easy. I hate guiliani but his broken window campaign began at the exact moment the high felony NYC era ended and SAF began.0 -
THE FOCUS ON COST IGNORES COVERAGE. Medicare provides HORRIBLE COVERAGE. I'm taking care of my mother who is on Medicare, and if she didn't have supplemental private insurance through Kaiser, she would have no health care at all. Medicare is fine if you are at death's door in the hospital, and even then, the rules you have to follow can be confusing. If you mess up -- or as happened in our case, the social workers give you wrong information -- you're stuck with a huge bill, which happened to my mother and my family. But thank God for her private supplemental, or we would be broke paying for her chronic health conditions since then. People have no idea what an M4A plan actually means. Basically, nothing. Quit telling people what it will cost and actually explain the coverage, and I guarantee you nobody will want it.Lerxst1992 said:0 -
The highly conservative village voice paints a stark timeline of NYC crime.
record high homicides in 1990 which was cut by nearly 70% in 1998. Wonder what could have happened in between.
https://www.villagevoice.com/2014/08/07/the-rise-and-fall-of-crime-in-new-york-city-a-timeline/
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what dreams said:
THE FOCUS ON COST IGNORES COVERAGE. Medicare provides HORRIBLE COVERAGE. I'm taking care of my mother who is on Medicare, and if she didn't have supplemental private insurance through Kaiser, she would have no health care at all. Medicare is fine if you are at death's door in the hospital, and even then, the rules you have to follow can be confusing. If you mess up -- or as happened in our case, the social workers give you wrong information -- you're stuck with a huge bill, which happened to my mother and my family. But thank God for her private supplemental, or we would be broke paying for her chronic health conditions since then. People have no idea what an M4A plan actually means. Basically, nothing. Quit telling people what it will cost and actually explain the coverage, and I guarantee you nobody will want it.Lerxst1992 said:We are not sure if Bernie is using Medicare as a moniker or he will actually be keeping the current system for all. Sorry to hear about your situation.0 -
Statistics seem to suggest the beginning of the crime-rate decline happened before Giuliani was mayor.Lerxst1992 said:pjl44 said:Can't speak for the rest of the country, but this is northeast cities in a nutshell. No qualms about sacrificing someone else's liberty as long as they *feel* safe and the city *looks* nice. There is zero introspection when the statistics show them it's all in their head. And it's a trans partisan problem.
The Trump person is more unabashedly in favor of these policies. The Bloomberg person supports them but with more handwringing because they want to clear their conscience. At the end of the day, you're getting the policy though.Dude, as I’ve said more often that PJ will be playin alive this year, I do not support SAF. I’m not sure if there are any other NYers posting here today, but I’m pointing out dealing with the NYPD in a diverse city ain’t easy. I hate guiliani but his broken window campaign began at the exact moment the high felony NYC era ended and SAF began.0 -
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“Listen, I’m against stop and frisk...but I also believe racist policing gets results.”Lerxst1992 said:The highly conservative village voice paints a stark timeline of NYC crime.
record high homicides in 1990 which was cut by nearly 70% in 1998. Wonder what could have happened in between.
https://www.villagevoice.com/2014/08/07/the-rise-and-fall-of-crime-in-new-york-city-a-timeline/0 -
You do a great job of using quotes 100% wrong. Do you know what a quote is? You can read about it.ecdanc said:
“Listen, I’m against stop and frisk...but I also believe racist policing gets results.”Lerxst1992 said:The highly conservative village voice paints a stark timeline of NYC crime.
record high homicides in 1990 which was cut by nearly 70% in 1998. Wonder what could have happened in between.
https://www.villagevoice.com/2014/08/07/the-rise-and-fall-of-crime-in-new-york-city-a-timeline/
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I was just thinking I needed writing advice from youcincybearcat said:
You do a great job of using quotes 100% wrong. Do you know what a quote is? You can read about it.ecdanc said:
“Listen, I’m against stop and frisk...but I also believe racist policing gets results.”Lerxst1992 said:The highly conservative village voice paints a stark timeline of NYC crime.
record high homicides in 1990 which was cut by nearly 70% in 1998. Wonder what could have happened in between.
https://www.villagevoice.com/2014/08/07/the-rise-and-fall-of-crime-in-new-york-city-a-timeline/0
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