The Concept of God

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,657
    Yeah, discussing faith, beliefs etc. is fine.  Great, actually.  It can stimulate the mind.  But both insisting others accept one's fundamentalist beliefs or hammering on someone who has them is not only fruitless, it's what eventually leads to wars, bloodshed, death, and a hell of a lot of pollution (literally and figuratively).
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    brianlux said:
    Yeah, discussing faith, beliefs etc. is fine.  Great, actually.  It can stimulate the mind.  But both insisting others accept one's fundamentalist beliefs or hammering on someone who has them is not only fruitless, it's what eventually leads to wars, bloodshed, death, and a hell of a lot of pollution (literally and figuratively).
     
    Amen brother, and I would take you on my ark anytime.

  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    rgambs said:
    There's no reason to get personal pjfanwillneverleave, things can be civil.
    Bash religion all you want, there's no need to bash the people here.
    I agree.
    I also disagree that non-believers have to constantly give an opinion as to every single belief of the bible that someone presents to them.  If that is taken as bashing well sorry, but people ought to know what they get into when discussing religion.
    If you don't want to give an opinion, feel free to go elsewhere.
    It's impossible to have a discussion on religion if you can't respect the participants and not demand they witness miracles for you.
    Your tact is middle school level.  If you want someone to think about the validity of their beliefs, highlight the failings of those beliefs.

    Genesis Chapter 20 Verse 20-21
    That does more in a single phrase than a lifetime of asking people to tell about their miracles and then disbelieving them anyways.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^

    I never said they witness a personal miracle.  I said witness a miracle.
  • FoxyRedLa
    FoxyRedLa Lauren / MI Posts: 4,810
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    FoxyRedLa said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:
    FoxyRedLa said:
    I don't remember everything in this thread - those that do not believe do you believe is Satan? Believe in hell? 

    I'm still thinking about Him being vain and needy. He died for us.

    Those that don't believe what do you believe? The Big Bang? That theory doesn't fully explain either.

    Has any none believer thought why they feel they have to actively convince believers He is not?
    this has come up before. i don't know any atheists that try to actively convince others there is no god. people have discussions, but no atheist is going door to door saying 'hey, i'd like to talk to you about no god'. 

    the vain and needy thing, i believe, comes from the stories in the bible where god insists everyone listen to him and obey him and then he kills nearly everyone for forgetting about him. 

    the big bang doesn't fully explain it, no. but, i have also read that some scientists are moving away from that theory, that there was no beginning to the universe. just 'always there', which is the same thing people say about god, ironically. 
    I get your point about going door  to door.

    Referring to the flood? All were offered to come aboard. 
    not from what i recall reading. if they were all offered to come aboard, what was the point in the first place?

    I guess it's assumed he warned about the flood. The point would have been a second chance. 

    Evil was wiped out. We are warned it will happen again. 
    Oh please let it rain today.
    Those that can be trusted can change their mind.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    rgambs said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    rgambs said:
    There's no reason to get personal pjfanwillneverleave, things can be civil.
    Bash religion all you want, there's no need to bash the people here.
    I agree.
    I also disagree that non-believers have to constantly give an opinion as to every single belief of the bible that someone presents to them.  If that is taken as bashing well sorry, but people ought to know what they get into when discussing religion.
    If you don't want to give an opinion, feel free to go elsewhere.
    It's impossible to have a discussion on religion if you can't respect the participants and not demand they witness miracles for you.
    Your tact is middle school level.  If you want someone to think about the validity of their beliefs, highlight the failings of those beliefs.

    Genesis Chapter 20 Verse 20-21
    That does more in a single phrase than a lifetime of asking people to tell about their miracles and then disbelieving them anyways.
    Now you're quoting bible verses for people to  read?
    Are you ok man?
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    rgambs said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    rgambs said:
    There's no reason to get personal pjfanwillneverleave, things can be civil.
    Bash religion all you want, there's no need to bash the people here.
    I agree.
    I also disagree that non-believers have to constantly give an opinion as to every single belief of the bible that someone presents to them.  If that is taken as bashing well sorry, but people ought to know what they get into when discussing religion.
    If you don't want to give an opinion, feel free to go elsewhere.
    It's impossible to have a discussion on religion if you can't respect the participants and not demand they witness miracles for you.
    Your tact is middle school level.  If you want someone to think about the validity of their beliefs, highlight the failings of those beliefs.

    Genesis Chapter 20 Verse 20-21
    That does more in a single phrase than a lifetime of asking people to tell about their miracles and then disbelieving them anyways.
    Now you're quoting bible verses for people to  read?
    Are you ok man?
    Yep, I'm groovy.
    Read it, you might learn something about how to debate civilly and with tact.

    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    The concept of god is just that, a concept
    will myself to find a home, a home within myself
    we will find a way, we will find our place
  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,959
    If God did show himself humans would be in a lot of trouble. 
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    eddiec said:
    If God did show himself humans would be in a lot of trouble. 
    Haha no chit, there would be some genocide for sure.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,308
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    rgambs said:
    There's no reason to get personal pjfanwillneverleave, things can be civil.
    Bash religion all you want, there's no need to bash the people here.
    I agree.
    I also disagree that non-believers have to constantly give an opinion as to every single belief of the bible that someone presents to them.  If that is taken as bashing well sorry, but people ought to know what they get into when discussing religion.

    except this thread isnt about religion.

    dont conflate tbe two.
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  • erocshifty
    erocshifty Posts: 1,170
    I read something about the concept of there being a "Great Architect" that I somewhat agree with. I've found that a lot of my belief system borrows from several different places. The thing that puzzles me is how in a lot of these belief systems: there's no Female deity. For me a lot of the time, "God" is tied in with Nature. Sun, Moon, Earth, etc..
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    erocshifty said:
    I read something about the concept of there being a "Great Architect" that I somewhat agree with. I've found that a lot of my belief system borrows from several different places. The thing that puzzles me is how in a lot of these belief systems: there's no Female deity. For me a lot of the time, "God" is tied in with Nature. Sun, Moon, Earth, etc..
    The earliest religions usually had balance between male and female deities, and that survived in many cultures until the Judeo-Christian beliefs spread and influenced so much of the world.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    rgambs said:
    erocshifty said:
    I read something about the concept of there being a "Great Architect" that I somewhat agree with. I've found that a lot of my belief system borrows from several different places. The thing that puzzles me is how in a lot of these belief systems: there's no Female deity. For me a lot of the time, "God" is tied in with Nature. Sun, Moon, Earth, etc..
    The earliest religions usually had balance between male and female deities, and that survived in many cultures until the Judeo-Christian beliefs spread and influenced so much of the world.
    One of many issues I have with the Catholic Church. Women should definitely be priests and priests should be able to have kids and marry. It cracks me up when priests give martial advice lol. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    mcgruff10 said:
    rgambs said:
    erocshifty said:
    I read something about the concept of there being a "Great Architect" that I somewhat agree with. I've found that a lot of my belief system borrows from several different places. The thing that puzzles me is how in a lot of these belief systems: there's no Female deity. For me a lot of the time, "God" is tied in with Nature. Sun, Moon, Earth, etc..
    The earliest religions usually had balance between male and female deities, and that survived in many cultures until the Judeo-Christian beliefs spread and influenced so much of the world.
    One of many issues I have with the Catholic Church. Women should definitely be priests and priests should be able to have kids and marry. It cracks me up when priests give martial advice lol. 
    I wonder if that would have an effect on the problem of molestation?
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • rustneversleeps
    rustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    rgambs said:
    There's no reason to get personal pjfanwillneverleave, things can be civil.
    Bash religion all you want, there's no need to bash the people here.
    this is funny.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    rustneversleeps said:
    rgambs said:
    There's no reason to get personal pjfanwillneverleave, things can be civil.
    Bash religion all you want, there's no need to bash the people here.
    this is funny.
    Care to elaborate?
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    rgambs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    rgambs said:
    erocshifty said:
    I read something about the concept of there being a "Great Architect" that I somewhat agree with. I've found that a lot of my belief system borrows from several different places. The thing that puzzles me is how in a lot of these belief systems: there's no Female deity. For me a lot of the time, "God" is tied in with Nature. Sun, Moon, Earth, etc..
    The earliest religions usually had balance between male and female deities, and that survived in many cultures until the Judeo-Christian beliefs spread and influenced so much of the world.
    One of many issues I have with the Catholic Church. Women should definitely be priests and priests should be able to have kids and marry. It cracks me up when priests give martial advice lol. 
    I wonder if that would have an effect on the problem of molestation?
    I honestly think sexual abuse cases would dramatically drop. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • FoxyRedLa
    FoxyRedLa Lauren / MI Posts: 4,810
    Morning rgambs - morning here :smile:

    My first thought was you said bash religion all you want :giggle:
    Oh please let it rain today.
    Those that can be trusted can change their mind.
  • rustneversleeps
    rustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    rgambs said:
    rustneversleeps said:
    rgambs said:
    There's no reason to get personal pjfanwillneverleave, things can be civil.
    Bash religion all you want, there's no need to bash the people here.
    this is funny.
    Care to elaborate?
    theres no need. you said it all. barly?

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