The Concept of God

brianlux

Yeah, discussing faith, beliefs etc. is fine.  Great, actually.  It can stimulate the mind.  But both insisting others accept one's fundamentalist beliefs or hammering on someone who has them is not only fruitless, it's what eventually leads to wars, bloodshed, death, and a hell of a lot of pollution (literally and figuratively).

PJfanwillneverleave1

brianlux said:

Yeah, discussing faith, beliefs etc. is fine.  Great, actually.  It can stimulate the mind.  But both insisting others accept one's fundamentalist beliefs or hammering on someone who has them is not only fruitless, it's what eventually leads to wars, bloodshed, death, and a hell of a lot of pollution (literally and figuratively).

 

Amen brother, and I would take you on my ark anytime.

rgambs

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

rgambs said:

There's no reason to get personal pjfanwillneverleave, things can be civil.
Bash religion all you want, there's no need to bash the people here.

I agree.
I also disagree that non-believers have to constantly give an opinion as to every single belief of the bible that someone presents to them.  If that is taken as bashing well sorry, but people ought to know what they get into when discussing religion.

If you don't want to give an opinion, feel free to go elsewhere.
It's impossible to have a discussion on religion if you can't respect the participants and not demand they witness miracles for you.
Your tact is middle school level.  If you want someone to think about the validity of their beliefs, highlight the failings of those beliefs.

Genesis Chapter 20 Verse 20-21
That does more in a single phrase than a lifetime of asking people to tell about their miracles and then disbelieving them anyways.

PJfanwillneverleave1

^^^

I never said they witness a personal miracle.  I said witness a miracle.

FoxyRedLa

HughFreakingDillon said:

FoxyRedLa said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

FoxyRedLa said:

I don't remember everything in this thread - those that do not believe do you believe is Satan? Believe in hell? 

I'm still thinking about Him being vain and needy. He died for us.

Those that don't believe what do you believe? The Big Bang? That theory doesn't fully explain either.

Has any none believer thought why they feel they have to actively convince believers He is not?

this has come up before. i don't know any atheists that try to actively convince others there is no god. people have discussions, but no atheist is going door to door saying 'hey, i'd like to talk to you about no god'. 

the vain and needy thing, i believe, comes from the stories in the bible where god insists everyone listen to him and obey him and then he kills nearly everyone for forgetting about him. 

the big bang doesn't fully explain it, no. but, i have also read that some scientists are moving away from that theory, that there was no beginning to the universe. just 'always there', which is the same thing people say about god, ironically. 

I get your point about going door  to door.

Referring to the flood? All were offered to come aboard. 

not from what i recall reading. if they were all offered to come aboard, what was the point in the first place?

I guess it's assumed he warned about the flood. The point would have been a second chance. 

Evil was wiped out. We are warned it will happen again. 

PJfanwillneverleave1

rgambs said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

rgambs said:

There's no reason to get personal pjfanwillneverleave, things can be civil.
Bash religion all you want, there's no need to bash the people here.

I agree.
I also disagree that non-believers have to constantly give an opinion as to every single belief of the bible that someone presents to them.  If that is taken as bashing well sorry, but people ought to know what they get into when discussing religion.

If you don't want to give an opinion, feel free to go elsewhere.
It's impossible to have a discussion on religion if you can't respect the participants and not demand they witness miracles for you.
Your tact is middle school level.  If you want someone to think about the validity of their beliefs, highlight the failings of those beliefs.

Genesis Chapter 20 Verse 20-21
That does more in a single phrase than a lifetime of asking people to tell about their miracles and then disbelieving them anyways.

Now you're quoting bible verses for people to  read?
Are you ok man?

rgambs

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

rgambs said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

rgambs said:

There's no reason to get personal pjfanwillneverleave, things can be civil.
Bash religion all you want, there's no need to bash the people here.

I agree.
I also disagree that non-believers have to constantly give an opinion as to every single belief of the bible that someone presents to them.  If that is taken as bashing well sorry, but people ought to know what they get into when discussing religion.

If you don't want to give an opinion, feel free to go elsewhere.
It's impossible to have a discussion on religion if you can't respect the participants and not demand they witness miracles for you.
Your tact is middle school level.  If you want someone to think about the validity of their beliefs, highlight the failings of those beliefs.

Genesis Chapter 20 Verse 20-21
That does more in a single phrase than a lifetime of asking people to tell about their miracles and then disbelieving them anyways.

Now you're quoting bible verses for people to  read?
Are you ok man?

Yep, I'm groovy.
Read it, you might learn something about how to debate civilly and with tact.

Degeneratefk

The concept of god is just that, a concept

eddiec

If God did show himself humans would be in a lot of trouble. 

rgambs

eddiec said:

If God did show himself humans would be in a lot of trouble. 

Haha no chit, there would be some genocide for sure.

mickeyrat

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

rgambs said:

There's no reason to get personal pjfanwillneverleave, things can be civil.
Bash religion all you want, there's no need to bash the people here.

I agree.
I also disagree that non-believers have to constantly give an opinion as to every single belief of the bible that someone presents to them.  If that is taken as bashing well sorry, but people ought to know what they get into when discussing religion.

except this thread isnt about religion.

dont conflate tbe two.

erocshifty

I read something about the concept of there being a "Great Architect" that I somewhat agree with. I've found that a lot of my belief system borrows from several different places. The thing that puzzles me is how in a lot of these belief systems: there's no Female deity. For me a lot of the time, "God" is tied in with Nature. Sun, Moon, Earth, etc..

rgambs

erocshifty said:

I read something about the concept of there being a "Great Architect" that I somewhat agree with. I've found that a lot of my belief system borrows from several different places. The thing that puzzles me is how in a lot of these belief systems: there's no Female deity. For me a lot of the time, "God" is tied in with Nature. Sun, Moon, Earth, etc..

The earliest religions usually had balance between male and female deities, and that survived in many cultures until the Judeo-Christian beliefs spread and influenced so much of the world.

mcgruff10

rgambs said:

erocshifty said:

I read something about the concept of there being a "Great Architect" that I somewhat agree with. I've found that a lot of my belief system borrows from several different places. The thing that puzzles me is how in a lot of these belief systems: there's no Female deity. For me a lot of the time, "God" is tied in with Nature. Sun, Moon, Earth, etc..

The earliest religions usually had balance between male and female deities, and that survived in many cultures until the Judeo-Christian beliefs spread and influenced so much of the world.

One of many issues I have with the Catholic Church. Women should definitely be priests and priests should be able to have kids and marry. It cracks me up when priests give martial advice lol. 

rgambs

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

erocshifty said:

I read something about the concept of there being a "Great Architect" that I somewhat agree with. I've found that a lot of my belief system borrows from several different places. The thing that puzzles me is how in a lot of these belief systems: there's no Female deity. For me a lot of the time, "God" is tied in with Nature. Sun, Moon, Earth, etc..

The earliest religions usually had balance between male and female deities, and that survived in many cultures until the Judeo-Christian beliefs spread and influenced so much of the world.

One of many issues I have with the Catholic Church. Women should definitely be priests and priests should be able to have kids and marry. It cracks me up when priests give martial advice lol. 

I wonder if that would have an effect on the problem of molestation?

rustneversleeps

rgambs said:

There's no reason to get personal pjfanwillneverleave, things can be civil.
Bash religion all you want, there's no need to bash the people here.

this is funny.

rgambs

rustneversleeps said:

rgambs said:

There's no reason to get personal pjfanwillneverleave, things can be civil.
Bash religion all you want, there's no need to bash the people here.

this is funny.

Care to elaborate?

mcgruff10

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

erocshifty said:

I read something about the concept of there being a "Great Architect" that I somewhat agree with. I've found that a lot of my belief system borrows from several different places. The thing that puzzles me is how in a lot of these belief systems: there's no Female deity. For me a lot of the time, "God" is tied in with Nature. Sun, Moon, Earth, etc..

The earliest religions usually had balance between male and female deities, and that survived in many cultures until the Judeo-Christian beliefs spread and influenced so much of the world.

One of many issues I have with the Catholic Church. Women should definitely be priests and priests should be able to have kids and marry. It cracks me up when priests give martial advice lol. 

I wonder if that would have an effect on the problem of molestation?

I honestly think sexual abuse cases would dramatically drop. 

FoxyRedLa

Morning rgambs - morning here

My first thought was you said bash religion all you want

rustneversleeps

rgambs said:

rustneversleeps said:

rgambs said:

There's no reason to get personal pjfanwillneverleave, things can be civil.
Bash religion all you want, there's no need to bash the people here.

this is funny.

Care to elaborate?

theres no need. you said it all. barly?