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  • jnimhaoileoin
    jnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    After the series ends and you watch the credits on the last episode I was struck by the number of those guys who returned home and were subsequently killed in drunk driving accidents. Fucked up to have survived the carnage they experienced only to be killed driving drunk.

    I know, it's terrible :( I would love to speak to a veteran as their numbers will dwindle as each year goes by. I suppose I'd worry about asking them about their experiences unless I was sure they were comfortable talking about it, given the horrors they went through
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,643
    For one of my history classes in college we had to interview a vet from WW2 as part of a larger nationwide project to capture their stories. I had to come up with questions, do the interview on tape and turn in the tape and a transcription. I contacted a local VA home and they found a guy I could talk to. I'll never forget his breaking down when he described being attacked by Japanese dive bombers on the island of Cebu I think. He was in the Seabees and was building an airfield when they would be attacked by dive bombers out of nowhere. Because the island was basically a coral reef, You couldn't dig a proper fox hole and were exposed to strafing and bombing runs. This was 50+ years after he served and he just broke down and cried. I felt awkward having asked the questions. I left the VA home emotionally spent.
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  • jnimhaoileoin
    jnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    For one of my history classes in college we had to interview a vet from WW2 as part of a larger nationwide project to capture their stories. I had to come up with questions, do the interview on tape and turn in the tape and a transcription. I contacted a local VA home and they found a guy I could talk to. I'll never forget his breaking down when he described being attacked by Japanese dive bombers on the island of Cebu I think. He was in the Seabees and was building an airfield when they would be attacked by dive bombers out of nowhere. Because the island was basically a coral reef, You couldn't dig a proper fox hole and were exposed to strafing and bombing runs. This was 50+ years after he served and he just broke down and cried. I felt awkward having asked the questions. I left the VA home emotionally spent.

    It is such a good thing to have captured those memories though, difficult as it may have been for both you and him. I don't think any of us will ever truly understand what they went through, but it's incredibly important for their stories to be told and their voices to be heard
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    jnimhaoileoin said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    After the series ends and you watch the credits on the last episode I was struck by the number of those guys who returned home and were subsequently killed in drunk driving accidents. Fucked up to have survived the carnage they experienced only to be killed driving drunk.

    I know, it's terrible :( I would love to speak to a veteran as their numbers will dwindle as each year goes by. I suppose I'd worry about asking them about their experiences unless I was sure they were comfortable talking about it, given the horrors they went through
    Grandfathers served opposite sides of the war. They Met and hung out. German GF captured by Russians and went to camp. Neither really wanted to talk about it especially German as they just wanted to move on. US GF in Air Force and one thing I remember him saying was second and third A Bomb weren't needed.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    For one of my history classes in college we had to interview a vet from WW2 as part of a larger nationwide project to capture their stories. I had to come up with questions, do the interview on tape and turn in the tape and a transcription. I contacted a local VA home and they found a guy I could talk to. I'll never forget his breaking down when he described being attacked by Japanese dive bombers on the island of Cebu I think. He was in the Seabees and was building an airfield when they would be attacked by dive bombers out of nowhere. Because the island was basically a coral reef, You couldn't dig a proper fox hole and were exposed to strafing and bombing runs. This was 50+ years after he served and he just broke down and cried. I felt awkward having asked the questions. I left the VA home emotionally spent.

    Wow. Though uncomfortable, you are fortunate to have him transfer his emotions to you.

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  • mickeyrat
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    mickeyrat said:

    mickeyrat said:

    JUST A GIRL said:

    Did this even happen?

    To what does your question refer to?

    Until that is known how can anyone possibly answer?
    I know you have accepted someone elses answer.

    I still want an answer to what I respectfully asked you.

    Or is it you only engage with those you believe offended you?

    This is probably the 5th question I've asked you without so much as a glance my way.

    So by your way of thinking , you are bullying ME by ignoring my questions.
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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    edited September 2015
    callen said:

    jnimhaoileoin said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    After the series ends and you watch the credits on the last episode I was struck by the number of those guys who returned home and were subsequently killed in drunk driving accidents. Fucked up to have survived the carnage they experienced only to be killed driving drunk.

    I know, it's terrible :( I would love to speak to a veteran as their numbers will dwindle as each year goes by. I suppose I'd worry about asking them about their experiences unless I was sure they were comfortable talking about it, given the horrors they went through
    Grandfathers served opposite sides of the war. They Met and hung out. German GF captured by Russians and went to camp. Neither really wanted to talk about it especially German as they just wanted to move on. US GF in Air Force and one thing I remember him saying was second and third A Bomb weren't needed.
    Ya man. Especially hearing how the Japanese already surrendered. It's the American way. You hit us, we'll hit you 1,000,000 times harder.

    Edit-but don't you ever dare to retaliate for us hitting you first.
    Post edited by badbrains on
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,643
    Where was the third A bomb dropped?
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,517
    edited September 2015
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Where was the third A bomb dropped?

    No 3rd bomb

    August 6 first bomb dropped on Hiroshima
    August 9th 2nd bomb dropped on Nagasaki
    August 15th Japan announces surrender
    September 2nd surrender formally signed

    As of August 9th there were no more atomic bombs but the U.S. had the material to have a 3rd one built and ready to drop by August 17th.
    Post edited by Bentleyspop on
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Only two. Sorry. Blushing.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    callen said:

    Only two. Sorry. Blushing.

    I've seen some blunders in my time... but not as big as that one.

    Don't worry though: us internationals understand that this is the by-product of a public education system steeped in patriotism and religion.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    callen said:

    Only two. Sorry. Blushing.

    I've seen some blunders in my time... but not as big as that one.

    Don't worry though: us internationals understand that this is the by-product of a public education system steeped in patriotism and religion.
    Hahaha. Hey look at time of my post. It was EARLY!!!
    Feel like in being picked on due to my views. :)
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,643
    callen said:

    Only two. Sorry. Blushing.

    No worries but I knew there were only two. I thought you might have signed up for a Glen Beck history lesson. Facts are important in conversations and debates, particularly for the lurkers who may not participate or search for answers or question what's posted. All good.

    The vet I interviewed approved of both bombings. What could I have said? As mentioned earlier, I was emotionally spent and asking myself many questions and challenging my beliefs. Looking back, it's made me realize that war should be a last resort and not the first option, among many other thoughts.
    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

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  • jnimhaoileoin
    jnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    callen said:

    Only two. Sorry. Blushing.

    No worries but I knew there were only two. I thought you might have signed up for a Glen Beck history lesson. Facts are important in conversations and debates, particularly for the lurkers who may not participate or search for answers or question what's posted. All good.

    The vet I interviewed approved of both bombings. What could I have said? As mentioned earlier, I was emotionally spent and asking myself many questions and challenging my beliefs. Looking back, it's made me realize that war should be a last resort and not the first option, among many other thoughts.
    The only people who would choose war as a first option are those who have no qualms about using their superior strength to crush a weak opponent. I would suggest that such people are those who cause the majority of civilian deaths.

  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    callen said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    callen said:

    Only two. Sorry. Blushing.

    I've seen some blunders in my time... but not as big as that one.

    Don't worry though: us internationals understand that this is the by-product of a public education system steeped in patriotism and religion.
    Hahaha. Hey look at time of my post. It was EARLY!!!
    Feel like in being picked on due to my views. :)
    haha!

    introduce yourself to the victim thread!
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  • Gern Blansten
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    jnimhaoileoin said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Band of brothers is awesome; I show three episodes of it when teaching about ww2. Check out saving private next. A lot of vets say that s the movie that comes closest to the real thing. If you want to see what Vietnam was like, go for we were soldiers. Again vets I ve talked to said that s the closest to the real thing.

    Will do, thanks
    Platoon (in my opinion) is the best Vietnam movie made. The night battle scenes near the end were unreal.
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    Gern Blansten said:

    jnimhaoileoin said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Band of brothers is awesome; I show three episodes of it when teaching about ww2. Check out saving private next. A lot of vets say that s the movie that comes closest to the real thing. If you want to see what Vietnam was like, go for we were soldiers. Again vets I ve talked to said that s the closest to the real thing.

    Will do, thanks
    Platoon (in my opinion) is the best Vietnam movie made. The night battle scenes near the end were unreal.
    Agreed on Platoon - and though somewhat different, I'd put The Deer Hunter up there too.
  • brianlux
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    One of my favorite war movies is "The King of Hearts" from 1969 starring Alan Bates. It's both sad and hillarious and points out the absurdity of war. The movie ends by asking the question, "Who is more insane, those in the asylum or those who create wars?"
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  • jnimhaoileoin
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    Has anyone watched Generation War or Unsere Mutter, Unsere Vater? It's WWII from the German soldier's viewpoint. Really well made
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    jnimhaoileoin said:

    Has anyone watched Generation War or Unsere Mutter, Unsere Vater? It's WWII from the German soldier's viewpoint. Really well made

    Das Boot: awesome.

    Generation Kill: worth a watch- it's not bad.

    * Full Metal Jacket: excellent.
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