i think any time anything drastic occurs that upends the sociopolitical status quo, war is always a possiblt result. world war I it was an assassination. world war II hitler became fuhrer and he started claiming land for germany. some of it was given to him, he tried to take the rest through war.
If England and France weren't so pissed off many they could have been a little more chill when drafting the treaty of Versailles. (But who could blame them)
yeah i always thought that treaty was very heavy handed. but many people would argue that germany deserved that treaty.
Germany definitely deserved it but no harshness within the treat of versailles no hitter and probably no ww2 to the scale it was at. Japan would have probably started something in the pacific but I think Europe would have sat it out.
i agree. one begat the other. no harsh treaty, no hitler.
the war in the pacific was probably going to happen. i think england would have helped us vs the japanese. but then italy would have probably started things in europe. it is fun to try to think of the what ifs?
What if Germany doesn't invade Russia? The extinction of the European jew? German is the only language in Europe?
I'll take it a step further.If the Nazis don't invade Russia and the surrounding USSR countries,and the Jewish population does not need to flee.What would the Middle East look like now? France would still suck either way.
never thought of it like that. wow. would the middle east be peaceful?
Maybe Maybe not The issues in the Middle East were going on before WWII. The British were in control of much of the area and might not have given up their territories so soon or so easily.
True but no ww2 no creation of Israel. No creation of Israel no 9/11. No 9/11.....well damn. I love what ifs.
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Everyone should watch Band of Brothers. A unit so legendary that there are statues and plaques all over Europe dedicated to this group of Men. Its unreal that those guys came home, got regular jobs and never even told their families about their experiences until the book and show exposed them. Humble dudes right there
thank a WWII vet every chance you can. I was just at the National WWII museum last weekend. Saw a few 90+ year old vets limping around but eager to talk to anyone.
My grandfather fought against the Japanese in the Philipines. Grew up with awful stories about the Japanese raping the female citizens. Burying people up to their necks in sand and decapitating them.
War is ugly but sometimes absolutely necessary. He never agreed with Vietnam but 100% supported our involvement in WWII. The Allies saved scores of people worldwide.
After the series ends and you watch the credits on the last episode I was struck by the number of those guys who returned home and were subsequently killed in drunk driving accidents. Fucked up to have survived the carnage they experienced only to be killed driving drunk.
After the series ends and you watch the credits on the last episode I was struck by the number of those guys who returned home and were subsequently killed in drunk driving accidents. Fucked up to have survived the carnage they experienced only to be killed driving drunk.
I know, it's terrible :( I would love to speak to a veteran as their numbers will dwindle as each year goes by. I suppose I'd worry about asking them about their experiences unless I was sure they were comfortable talking about it, given the horrors they went through
For one of my history classes in college we had to interview a vet from WW2 as part of a larger nationwide project to capture their stories. I had to come up with questions, do the interview on tape and turn in the tape and a transcription. I contacted a local VA home and they found a guy I could talk to. I'll never forget his breaking down when he described being attacked by Japanese dive bombers on the island of Cebu I think. He was in the Seabees and was building an airfield when they would be attacked by dive bombers out of nowhere. Because the island was basically a coral reef, You couldn't dig a proper fox hole and were exposed to strafing and bombing runs. This was 50+ years after he served and he just broke down and cried. I felt awkward having asked the questions. I left the VA home emotionally spent.
For one of my history classes in college we had to interview a vet from WW2 as part of a larger nationwide project to capture their stories. I had to come up with questions, do the interview on tape and turn in the tape and a transcription. I contacted a local VA home and they found a guy I could talk to. I'll never forget his breaking down when he described being attacked by Japanese dive bombers on the island of Cebu I think. He was in the Seabees and was building an airfield when they would be attacked by dive bombers out of nowhere. Because the island was basically a coral reef, You couldn't dig a proper fox hole and were exposed to strafing and bombing runs. This was 50+ years after he served and he just broke down and cried. I felt awkward having asked the questions. I left the VA home emotionally spent.
It is such a good thing to have captured those memories though, difficult as it may have been for both you and him. I don't think any of us will ever truly understand what they went through, but it's incredibly important for their stories to be told and their voices to be heard
After the series ends and you watch the credits on the last episode I was struck by the number of those guys who returned home and were subsequently killed in drunk driving accidents. Fucked up to have survived the carnage they experienced only to be killed driving drunk.
I know, it's terrible :( I would love to speak to a veteran as their numbers will dwindle as each year goes by. I suppose I'd worry about asking them about their experiences unless I was sure they were comfortable talking about it, given the horrors they went through
Grandfathers served opposite sides of the war. They Met and hung out. German GF captured by Russians and went to camp. Neither really wanted to talk about it especially German as they just wanted to move on. US GF in Air Force and one thing I remember him saying was second and third A Bomb weren't needed.
For one of my history classes in college we had to interview a vet from WW2 as part of a larger nationwide project to capture their stories. I had to come up with questions, do the interview on tape and turn in the tape and a transcription. I contacted a local VA home and they found a guy I could talk to. I'll never forget his breaking down when he described being attacked by Japanese dive bombers on the island of Cebu I think. He was in the Seabees and was building an airfield when they would be attacked by dive bombers out of nowhere. Because the island was basically a coral reef, You couldn't dig a proper fox hole and were exposed to strafing and bombing runs. This was 50+ years after he served and he just broke down and cried. I felt awkward having asked the questions. I left the VA home emotionally spent.
Wow. Though uncomfortable, you are fortunate to have him transfer his emotions to you.
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After the series ends and you watch the credits on the last episode I was struck by the number of those guys who returned home and were subsequently killed in drunk driving accidents. Fucked up to have survived the carnage they experienced only to be killed driving drunk.
I know, it's terrible :( I would love to speak to a veteran as their numbers will dwindle as each year goes by. I suppose I'd worry about asking them about their experiences unless I was sure they were comfortable talking about it, given the horrors they went through
Grandfathers served opposite sides of the war. They Met and hung out. German GF captured by Russians and went to camp. Neither really wanted to talk about it especially German as they just wanted to move on. US GF in Air Force and one thing I remember him saying was second and third A Bomb weren't needed.
Ya man. Especially hearing how the Japanese already surrendered. It's the American way. You hit us, we'll hit you 1,000,000 times harder.
Edit-but don't you ever dare to retaliate for us hitting you first.
August 6 first bomb dropped on Hiroshima August 9th 2nd bomb dropped on Nagasaki August 15th Japan announces surrender September 2nd surrender formally signed
As of August 9th there were no more atomic bombs but the U.S. had the material to have a 3rd one built and ready to drop by August 17th.
No worries but I knew there were only two. I thought you might have signed up for a Glen Beck history lesson. Facts are important in conversations and debates, particularly for the lurkers who may not participate or search for answers or question what's posted. All good.
The vet I interviewed approved of both bombings. What could I have said? As mentioned earlier, I was emotionally spent and asking myself many questions and challenging my beliefs. Looking back, it's made me realize that war should be a last resort and not the first option, among many other thoughts.
No worries but I knew there were only two. I thought you might have signed up for a Glen Beck history lesson. Facts are important in conversations and debates, particularly for the lurkers who may not participate or search for answers or question what's posted. All good.
The vet I interviewed approved of both bombings. What could I have said? As mentioned earlier, I was emotionally spent and asking myself many questions and challenging my beliefs. Looking back, it's made me realize that war should be a last resort and not the first option, among many other thoughts.
The only people who would choose war as a first option are those who have no qualms about using their superior strength to crush a weak opponent. I would suggest that such people are those who cause the majority of civilian deaths.
Band of brothers is awesome; I show three episodes of it when teaching about ww2. Check out saving private next. A lot of vets say that s the movie that comes closest to the real thing. If you want to see what Vietnam was like, go for we were soldiers. Again vets I ve talked to said that s the closest to the real thing.
Will do, thanks
Platoon (in my opinion) is the best Vietnam movie made. The night battle scenes near the end were unreal.
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Band of brothers is awesome; I show three episodes of it when teaching about ww2. Check out saving private next. A lot of vets say that s the movie that comes closest to the real thing. If you want to see what Vietnam was like, go for we were soldiers. Again vets I ve talked to said that s the closest to the real thing.
Will do, thanks
Platoon (in my opinion) is the best Vietnam movie made. The night battle scenes near the end were unreal.
Agreed on Platoon - and though somewhat different, I'd put The Deer Hunter up there too.
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One of my favorite war movies is "The King of Hearts" from 1969 starring Alan Bates. It's both sad and hillarious and points out the absurdity of war. The movie ends by asking the question, "Who is more insane, those in the asylum or those who create wars?"
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I still want an answer to what I respectfully asked you.
Or is it you only engage with those you believe offended you?
This is probably the 5th question I've asked you without so much as a glance my way.
So by your way of thinking , you are bullying ME by ignoring my questions.
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I figure some are deemed deserving of acknowledgement. Us lowlifes, not so much
thank a WWII vet every chance you can. I was just at the National WWII museum last weekend. Saw a few 90+ year old vets limping around but eager to talk to anyone.
War is ugly but sometimes absolutely necessary. He never agreed with Vietnam but 100% supported our involvement in WWII. The Allies saved scores of people worldwide.
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Edit-but don't you ever dare to retaliate for us hitting you first.
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August 6 first bomb dropped on Hiroshima
August 9th 2nd bomb dropped on Nagasaki
August 15th Japan announces surrender
September 2nd surrender formally signed
As of August 9th there were no more atomic bombs but the U.S. had the material to have a 3rd one built and ready to drop by August 17th.
Don't worry though: us internationals understand that this is the by-product of a public education system steeped in patriotism and religion.
Feel like in being picked on due to my views.
The vet I interviewed approved of both bombings. What could I have said? As mentioned earlier, I was emotionally spent and asking myself many questions and challenging my beliefs. Looking back, it's made me realize that war should be a last resort and not the first option, among many other thoughts.
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